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SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 13 November 2012

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0144.html
Seen
Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Chimezie Ogbuji, Gregory Williams, Paula Gearon, Sandro Hawke
Regrets
Sandro Hawke, Chimezie Ogbuji
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
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14:55:49 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

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14:55:49 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

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14:55:50 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:55:50 <trackbot> Date: 13 November 2012
14:56:00 <AndyS> zakim, this is 77277

Andy Seaborne: zakim, this is 77277

14:56:00 <Zakim> AndyS, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be 77277".

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be 77277".

14:56:56 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started

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14:57:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:57:10 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me

14:57:10 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

15:00:17 <AxelPolleres> hmmm, FWIW, I get a busy sign on the usual number

Axel Polleres: hmmm, FWIW, I get a busy sign on the usual number

15:00:47 <Zakim> +??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9

15:00:56 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P9 is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P9 is me

15:00:56 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it

15:02:57 <bglimm> Axel, I dialied in via voip

Birte Glimm: Axel, I dialied in via voip

15:03:07 <bglimm> and that worked fine

Birte Glimm: and that worked fine

15:03:55 <Zakim> + +43.664.885.5aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +43.664.885.5aaaa

15:04:24 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone

15:04:24 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AxelPolleres

15:04:39 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaaa is me

Axel Polleres: Zakim, aaaa is me

15:04:39 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres; got it

15:04:47 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:04:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, bglimm, AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, bglimm, AxelPolleres

15:05:27 <AxelPolleres> regrets: sandro, chime
15:05:45 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0144.html
15:06:23 <AxelPolleres>   1) contacting AC Reps  ...  2) next steps forward for CR docs, i.e. contacting implementers, completing test suites

Axel Polleres: 1) contacting AC Reps ... 2) next steps forward for CR docs, i.e. contacting implementers, completing test suites

15:06:50 <AxelPolleres> thanks everybody for helpinh with the PR/CR publications

Axel Polleres: thanks everybody for helpinh with the PR/CR publications

15:07:06 <AxelPolleres> we hope the colleagues at ISWC advertise there

Axel Polleres: we hope the colleagues at ISWC advertise there

15:07:25 <AxelPolleres> who contacted AC Reps?

Axel Polleres: who contacted AC Reps?

15:07:53 <AxelPolleres> Birte contacted Karlsruhe, Aberdeen, Manchester, Oxford, Ulm

Axel Polleres: Birte contacted Karlsruhe, Aberdeen, Manchester, Oxford, Ulm

15:08:04 <Zakim> +pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon

15:08:07 <AxelPolleres> Axel contacted AC Rep from Siemens

Axel Polleres: Axel contacted AC Rep from Siemens

15:08:14 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

15:08:31 <AxelPolleres> Birte: also OWL2 PER needs recommendations from AC Reps...

Birte Glimm: also OWL2 PER needs recommendations from AC Reps... [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:08:46 <bglimm> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/owl2_per/

Birte Glimm: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/owl2_per/

15:09:29 <AxelPolleres> Andy: will fill the SPARQL form today

Andy Seaborne: will fill the SPARQL form today [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:09:43 <AxelPolleres> any other support would be very welcome.

Axel Polleres: any other support would be very welcome.

15:10:03 <bglimm> http://www.w3.org/News/2012#entry-9605

Birte Glimm: http://www.w3.org/News/2012#entry-9605

15:10:03 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to contact AC Rep of DERI as well.

ACTION: axel to contact AC Rep of DERI as well.

15:10:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-713 - Contact AC Rep of DERI as well. [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-11-20].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-713 - Contact AC Rep of DERI as well. [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-11-20].

15:10:15 <Zakim> +pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon

15:12:00 <AxelPolleres> The link to the review form for AC Reps is in the PR drafts in the Status section.

Axel Polleres: The link to the review form for AC Reps is in the PR drafts in the Status section.

15:12:13 <bglimm> Revelytix, Inc.:	Michael A. Lang Sr.

Birte Glimm: Revelytix, Inc.: Michael A. Lang Sr.

15:12:22 <AxelPolleres> Please any member who reades the minutes, also contact your AC reps.

Axel Polleres: Please any member who reades the minutes, also contact your AC reps.

15:12:27 <bglimm> That's the AC rep on my list of AC reps

Birte Glimm: That's the AC rep on my list of AC reps

15:13:12 <AxelPolleres> topic: CR docs next steps

1. CR docs next steps

15:13:27 <AxelPolleres> entailment, protocol, GSP

Axel Polleres: entailment, protocol, GSP

15:14:22 <AxelPolleres> Birte: Jeff should be able to run tests soon, some others might not be able to make it in time

Birte Glimm: Jeff should be able to run tests soon, some others might not be able to make it in time [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:14:36 <AxelPolleres> ... michael schneider said he would implement all but RIF regimes.

Axel Polleres: ... michael schneider said he would implement all but RIF regimes.

15:14:45 <AxelPolleres> ... will contact him again.

Axel Polleres: ... will contact him again.

15:16:03 <AxelPolleres> ... stardog reports RDF, RDFS, and RDF-based semantics, but no direct semantics.

Axel Polleres: ... stardog reports RDF, RDFS, and RDF-based semantics, but no direct semantics.

15:16:32 <AxelPolleres> ... I used ARQ+rules for RDF-based semantics as well.

Axel Polleres: ... I used ARQ+rules for RDF-based semantics as well.

15:16:50 <AxelPolleres> ... Olivier also reported results for RDF+RDFS.

Axel Polleres: ... Olivier also reported results for RDF+RDFS.

15:17:34 <AxelPolleres> Axel: is there any risk for any of the entailment regimes we didn't mark at risk?

Axel Polleres: is there any risk for any of the entailment regimes we didn't mark at risk? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:17:40 <AxelPolleres> Birte: no

Birte Glimm: no [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:17:58 <AxelPolleres> Axel: tests?

Axel Polleres: tests? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:18:27 <AxelPolleres> Birte: We do have quite some tests now, because several tests can be used for several semantics.

Birte Glimm: We do have quite some tests now, because several tests can be used for several semantics. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:18:48 <AxelPolleres> ... we'd need a kind of table to check which test goes fir which entailment regime.

Axel Polleres: ... we'd need a kind of table to check which test goes fir which entailment regime.

15:19:24 <AxelPolleres> ... I could prepare a spreadsheet or alike to make it more transparent.

Axel Polleres: ... I could prepare a spreadsheet or alike to make it more transparent.

15:20:09 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Birte to make a spreadsheet on entailment tests (which regimes they apply to)

ACTION: Birte to make a spreadsheet on entailment tests (which regimes they apply to)

15:20:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-714 - Make a spreadsheet on entailment tests (which regimes they apply to) [on Birte Glimm - due 2012-11-20].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-714 - Make a spreadsheet on entailment tests (which regimes they apply to) [on Birte Glimm - due 2012-11-20].

15:20:27 <AxelPolleres> topic: AOB?

2. AOB?

15:20:33 <AndyS> Jena passes GSP except (1) some 200/204 confusion and (2) multipart upload.  Else, all passes and, importantly, all the new features (indirect naming, POST to graph = append, container create)

Andy Seaborne: Jena passes GSP except (1) some 200/204 confusion and (2) multipart upload. Else, all passes and, importantly, all the new features (indirect naming, POST to graph = append, container create)

15:20:40 <AndyS> Jena passes protocol

Andy Seaborne: Jena passes protocol

15:21:29 <AxelPolleres> Andy: Greg also passes protocol and Chime passes GSP, I think

Andy Seaborne: Greg also passes protocol and Chime passes GSP, I think [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:22:03 <AxelPolleres> Axel: then we also seem to be on track there, (Greg and Chime to confirm)

Axel Polleres: then we also seem to be on track there, (Greg and Chime to confirm) [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:22:31 <kasei> i pass protocol. the last time chime sent me results, he was passing most but not all of GSP. not sure if that was just a hiccup.

Gregory Williams: i pass protocol. the last time chime sent me results, he was passing most but not all of GSP. not sure if that was just a hiccup.

15:22:31 <AxelPolleres> comments?

Axel Polleres: comments?

15:22:57 <AxelPolleres> JS-1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Nov/0000.html

Axel Polleres: JS-1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Nov/0000.html

15:23:00 <kasei> i've been meaning to draft a response to JS-1.

Gregory Williams: i've been meaning to draft a response to JS-1.

15:23:15 <kasei> unless someone gets to it first :)

Gregory Williams: unless someone gets to it first :)

15:23:28 <AxelPolleres> greg, I put your name on the comments page, ok?

Axel Polleres: greg, I put your name on the comments page, ok?

15:23:33 <kasei> sure

Gregory Williams: sure

15:24:30 <chimezie_> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:24:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, bglimm, AxelPolleres, pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, bglimm, AxelPolleres, pgearon

15:25:17 <Zakim> +Chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie

15:27:02 <chimezie_> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

15:27:02 <Zakim> sorry, chimezie_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, chimezie_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

15:27:21 <chimezie_> Zakim, Chimezie is me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, Chimezie is me

15:27:21 <Zakim> +chimezie_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +chimezie_; got it

15:27:31 <AxelPolleres> Andy: Jan Wielemaker's comment is on a feature from sparql 1.0

Andy Seaborne: Jan Wielemaker's comment is on a feature from sparql 1.0 [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:27:51 <AndyS> ... used in a SPARQL 1.1 test for CONSTRUCT WHERE

Andy Seaborne: ... used in a SPARQL 1.1 test for CONSTRUCT WHERE

15:27:58 <chimezie_> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

15:27:58 <Zakim> chimezie_ should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie_ should now be muted

15:28:44 <AxelPolleres> Andy: Any change at this point would technically be a change to the tests

Andy Seaborne: Any change at this point would technically be a change to the tests [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:29:36 <AxelPolleres> Axel: Did they demand a change?

Axel Polleres: Did they demand a change? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:29:56 <AxelPolleres> Andy: At this stage we ccan't really make a change

Andy Seaborne: At this stage we ccan't really make a change [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:30:31 <AxelPolleres> Axel: let's leave it like that for the time being

Axel Polleres: let's leave it like that for the time being [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:30:56 <AxelPolleres> AOB? othewise adjourned.

Axel Polleres: AOB? othewise adjourned.

15:31:07 <AndyS> ADJOURNED

Andy Seaborne: ADJOURNED

15:31:07 <bglimm> bye

Birte Glimm: bye

15:31:09 <Zakim> -chimezie_

Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie_

15:31:10 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres

15:31:12 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

15:31:13 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

15:31:17 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

15:31:18 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

15:31:18 <Zakim> Attendees were AndyS, bglimm, +43.664.885.5aaaa, AxelPolleres, pgearon, chimezie_

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were AndyS, bglimm, +43.664.885.5aaaa, AxelPolleres, pgearon, chimezie_

15:31:19 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public

15:31:55 <AxelPolleres> Ah, I forgot, we still don't have minutes from lst time, will ping sandro agian on that.

Axel Polleres: Ah, I forgot, we still don't have minutes from lst time, will ping sandro agian on that.



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