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SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 25 September 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-09-25
Seen
Andy Seaborne, Arthur Keen, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Carlos Buil Aranda, Chimezie Ogbuji, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Gregory Williams, Matthew Perry, Sandro Hawke
Chair
Axel Polleres
Scribe
Carlos Buil Aranda
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-09-18 link
  2. approve syntax-query/manifest#test_61a, syntax-query/manifest#test_62a link
  3. approve dawg-delete-using-02a and dawg-delete-using-06a link
  4. For all SPARQL 1.1 specs, our CR Exit criterion (that is: sufficient evidence of implementation): each of the tests which have been officially approved by the WG is passed by two or more implementations. link
Topics
13:58:34 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/09/25-sparql-irc

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13:58:39 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:58:39 <trackbot> Date: 25 September 2012
13:58:48 <AndyS> zakim, this is 77277

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13:58:48 <Zakim> ok, AndyS; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

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13:59:14 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting

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13:59:26 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-09-25
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13:59:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

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13:59:37 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:59:37 <trackbot> Date: 25 September 2012
13:59:47 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
14:00:02 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:00:03 <Zakim> I notice SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has restarted

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14:00:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cbuilara

14:00:11 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:00:12 <cbuilara> zakim, mute me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, mute me

14:00:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cbuilara

14:00:13 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, muting is not permitted when only one person is present

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14:00:40 <cbuilara> zakim, mute me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, mute me

14:00:48 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, muting is not permitted when only one person is present

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14:01:27 <cbuilara> only me!

Carlos Buil Aranda: only me!

14:01:27 <AxelPolleres> Sandro, Carlos, Greg, Andy, Arthur, Axel,  Steve, on the phone, anybody else?

Axel Polleres: Sandro, Carlos, Greg, Andy, Arthur, Axel, Steve, on the phone, anybody else?

14:01:51 <AxelPolleres> Birte also on the phone.

Axel Polleres: Birte also on the phone.

14:02:08 <cbuilara> I can do it

Carlos Buil Aranda: I can do it

14:02:15 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim

Axel Polleres: Zakim, pick a victim

14:02:17 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose cbuilara

14:02:29 <AxelPolleres> scribe: carlos

(Scribe set to Carlos Buil Aranda)

14:02:43 <bglimm> Zakim, hands up

Birte Glimm: Zakim, hands up

14:02:43 <Zakim> I see bglimm on the speaker queue

Zakim IRC Bot: I see bglimm on the speaker queue

14:02:49 <bglimm> ack bglimm

Birte Glimm: ack bglimm

14:02:54 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:02:54 <Zakim> sorry, bglimm, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

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14:03:01 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: work for publication next week

Axel Polleres: work for publication next week

14:03:14 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin

1. admin

14:03:14 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: focus on resolving main left issues

Axel Polleres: focus on resolving main left issues

14:03:21 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-09-18

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-09-18

14:03:36 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: any comments on the minutes

Axel Polleres: any comments on the minutes

14:03:46 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-09-18

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-09-18

14:04:01 <AxelPolleres> Next regular meeting: 2012-10-02 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST

Axel Polleres: Next regular meeting: 2012-10-02 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST

14:04:16 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: anything from the RDF WG?

Axel Polleres: anything from the RDF WG?

14:04:17 <AxelPolleres> topic: liaison

2. liaison

14:04:20 <bglimm> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Birte Glimm: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:04:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cbuilara

14:04:33 <cbuilara> AndyS: discussion on semantics, they are coming to a conclusion...

Andy Seaborne: discussion on semantics, they are coming to a conclusion...

14:04:57 <AxelPolleres> topic: test corrections

3. test corrections

14:05:10 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

14:05:10 <Zakim> sorry, chimezie, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

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14:05:12 <AndyS> "they *were* coming to a conclusion" ... but now ?!??

Andy Seaborne: "they *were* coming to a conclusion" ... but now ?!??

14:05:12 <AxelPolleres> mail from greg http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0200.html

Axel Polleres: mail from greg http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0200.html

14:05:19 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:05:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cbuilara

14:05:20 <AxelPolleres> Re-approve :dawg-delete-using-02a, :dawg-delete-using-06a

Axel Polleres: Re-approve :dawg-delete-using-02a, :dawg-delete-using-06a

14:05:33 <AndyS> What about the other unapproved tests?

Andy Seaborne: What about the other unapproved tests?

14:06:07 <chimezie> Zakim, who is here?

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, who is here?

14:06:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cbuilara

14:06:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see chimezie, MattPerry, bglimm, ArthurK, AxelPolleres, Zakim, RRSAgent, cbuilara, MacTed, SteveH, AndyS, ericP, kasei, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see chimezie, MattPerry, bglimm, ArthurK, AxelPolleres, Zakim, RRSAgent, cbuilara, MacTed, SteveH, AndyS, ericP, kasei, trackbot, sandro

14:06:47 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/delete/manifest.ttl

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/delete/manifest.ttl

14:07:37 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: any vote for reapproving these two test cases?

Axel Polleres: any vote for reapproving these two test cases?

14:08:12 <cbuilara> kasei: I only changed the comments

Gregory Williams: I only changed the comments

14:08:23 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: are these test cases pass?

Axel Polleres: are these test cases pass?

14:08:46 <cbuilara> kasei: yes, by at least Andy and me (Greg)

Gregory Williams: yes, by at least Andy and me (Greg)

14:08:59 <cbuilara> kasei: others did not have enoughtime

Gregory Williams: others did not have enoughtime

14:09:07 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED : re-approve dawg-delete-using-02a  and dawg-delete-using-06a

Axel Polleres: PROPOSED : re-approve dawg-delete-using-02a and dawg-delete-using-06a

14:09:09 <AndyS> q+ to ask how many unapproved tests there are (that need approving)

Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask how many unapproved tests there are (that need approving)

14:09:26 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: should we reapprove them?

Axel Polleres: should we reapprove them?

14:10:03 <cbuilara> kasei: there are two query, all protocol, all entailment to re-approve?

Gregory Williams: there are two query, all protocol, all entailment to re-approve?

14:10:26 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: for CR we need them?

Axel Polleres: for CR we need them?

14:10:43 <kasei> q+

Gregory Williams: q+

14:10:44 <cbuilara> sandro: we need a test suite for CR, or at least some of them

Sandro Hawke: we need a test suite for CR, or at least some of them

14:10:52 <AndyS> ack me

Andy Seaborne: ack me

14:10:52 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask how many unapproved tests there are (that need approving)

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask how many unapproved tests there are (that need approving)

14:11:11 <cbuilara> kasei: for everything but graph store (and maybe entailment) we have the tests

Gregory Williams: for everything but graph store (and maybe entailment) we have the tests

14:11:25 <kasei> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/

Gregory Williams: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/

14:12:42 <AxelPolleres> syntax-query/manifest#test_61a, syntax-query/manifest#test_62a

Axel Polleres: syntax-query/manifest#test_61a, syntax-query/manifest#test_62a

14:13:36 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest.ttl

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest.ttl

14:14:41 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-BINDscope7.rq

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-BINDscope7.rq

14:14:44 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-BINDscope8.rq

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-BINDscope8.rq

14:15:50 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: can we approve them?

Axel Polleres: can we approve them?

14:15:55 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

14:15:57 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve syntax-query/manifest#test_61a, syntax-query/manifest#test_62a

PROPOSED: approve syntax-query/manifest#test_61a, syntax-query/manifest#test_62a

14:16:10 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:16:53 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:16:55 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

14:17:02 <cbuilara> +1

+1

14:17:20 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

14:17:30 <chimezie> +1

Chimezie Ogbuji: +1

14:17:44 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve syntax-query/manifest#test_61a, syntax-query/manifest#test_62a

RESOLVED: approve syntax-query/manifest#test_61a, syntax-query/manifest#test_62a

14:19:04 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/delete/manifest.ttl

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/delete/manifest.ttl

14:19:22 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED : approve dawg-delete-using-02a  and dawg-delete-using-06a

Axel Polleres: PROPOSED : approve dawg-delete-using-02a and dawg-delete-using-06a

14:19:34 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

14:20:20 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:21:58 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

14:22:15 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: anybody else?

Axel Polleres: anybody else?

14:22:36 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve dawg-delete-using-02a  and dawg-delete-using-06a

RESOLVED: approve dawg-delete-using-02a and dawg-delete-using-06a

14:22:58 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: Greg and Andy, note that in the query and update part

Axel Polleres: Greg and Andy, note that in the query and update part

14:23:17 <cbuilara> kasei: I can make the changes in the manifest

Gregory Williams: I can make the changes in the manifest

14:23:32 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to make changes in the manifest on newly approved tests, also cleaning up commented test cases replaced.

ACTION: greg to make changes in the manifest on newly approved tests, also cleaning up commented test cases replaced.

14:23:46 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: what about the protocol tests?

Axel Polleres: what about the protocol tests?

14:23:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-683 - Make changes in the manifest on newly approved tests, also cleaning up commented test cases replaced. [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-10-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-683 - Make changes in the manifest on newly approved tests, also cleaning up commented test cases replaced. [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-10-02].

14:24:29 <cbuilara> kasei: I haven't got reports about people hosting them

Gregory Williams: I haven't got reports about people hosting them

14:24:43 <cbuilara> kasei: my implementation pass most of them, but not all

Gregory Williams: my implementation pass most of them, but not all

14:24:55 <cbuilara> kasei: I will contact Andy offline to get this done

Gregory Williams: I will contact Andy offline to get this done

14:25:15 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: we need two implementations before we approve them

Axel Polleres: we need two implementations before we approve them

14:25:30 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: entailment regimes, we focus on those tests after publication

Axel Polleres: entailment regimes, we focus on those tests after publication

14:25:58 <cbuilara> bglimm: we need probably test with documentation

Birte Glimm: we need probably test with documentation

14:26:06 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: how do we proceed there

Axel Polleres: how do we proceed there

14:26:29 <cbuilara> bglimm: it is a bit early but we can update the documentation about how the marking was done

Birte Glimm: it is a bit early but we can update the documentation about how the marking was done

14:26:55 <cbuilara> bglimm: I can send an update of the document

Birte Glimm: I can send an update of the document

14:27:08 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Birte send an update on http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html regarding Entailment tests.

ACTION: Birte send an update on http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html regarding Entailment tests.

14:27:25 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: what does it mean we need a test suite?

Axel Polleres: what does it mean we need a test suite?

14:27:51 <cbuilara> sandro: I do not know whether to go to CR with a test suite, it would be nice

Sandro Hawke: I do not know whether to go to CR with a test suite, it would be nice

14:27:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-684 - Send an update on http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html regarding Entailment tests. [on Birte Glimm - due 2012-10-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-684 - Send an update on http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html regarding Entailment tests. [on Birte Glimm - due 2012-10-02].

14:28:23 <cbuilara> bglimm: do you think you will have a set of tests before next telco?

Birte Glimm: do you think you will have a set of tests before next telco?

14:28:31 <cbuilara> bglimm: yes, I have a complete test suite

Birte Glimm: yes, I have a complete test suite

14:29:00 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: any volunter to review entailment tests?

Axel Polleres: any volunter to review entailment tests?

14:29:17 <cbuilara> chimezie: I'm working on that

Chimezie Ogbuji: I'm working on that

14:29:50 <cbuilara> bglimm: tests can be run with different regimes, now I run them with direct semantics

Birte Glimm: tests can be run with different regimes, now I run them with direct semantics

14:30:18 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: tell what tests pase and somebody to review those

Axel Polleres: tell what tests pase and somebody to review those

14:30:48 <cbuilara> bglimm: I sent a list of tests cases my implementation passes

Birte Glimm: I sent a list of tests cases my implementation passes

14:31:29 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: somebody to review entailment tests?

Axel Polleres: somebody to review entailment tests?

14:31:44 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: I will try to do this

Axel Polleres: I will try to do this

14:31:56 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to review entailment tests which have at least one pass, such that we can approve them nexty week

ACTION: Axel to review entailment tests which have at least one pass, such that we can approve them nexty week

14:32:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-685 - Review entailment tests which have at least one pass, such that we can approve them nexty week [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-10-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-685 - Review entailment tests which have at least one pass, such that we can approve them nexty week [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-10-02].

14:33:05 <cbuilara> sandro: I don't know if whether the group decided the criteria to CR

Sandro Hawke: I don't know if whether the group decided the criteria to CR

14:33:17 <sandro> PROPOSED: For all SPARQL 1.1 specs, our CR Exit criterion (that is: sufficient evidence of implementation): each of the tests which have been officially approved by the WG is passed by two or more implementations.

PROPOSED: For all SPARQL 1.1 specs, our CR Exit criterion (that is: sufficient evidence of implementation): each of the tests which have been officially approved by the WG is passed by two or more implementations.

14:33:31 <kasei> q+

Gregory Williams: q+

14:33:46 <cbuilara> sandro: we should formalize the requirements to go to CR

Sandro Hawke: we should formalize the requirements to go to CR

14:35:02 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:35:04 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

14:35:06 <chimezie> +1

Chimezie Ogbuji: +1

14:35:08 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

14:35:09 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

14:35:11 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

14:35:12 <cbuilara> kasei: I did not know wether it is important to have implementations passing the tests out of the WG (it is not)

Gregory Williams: I did not know wether it is important to have implementations passing the tests out of the WG (it is not)

14:35:17 <cbuilara> +1

+1

14:35:18 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

14:35:24 <sandro> RESOLVED: For all SPARQL 1.1 specs, our CR Exit criterion (that is: sufficient evidence of implementation): each of the tests which have been officially approved by the WG is passed by two or more implementations.

RESOLVED: For all SPARQL 1.1 specs, our CR Exit criterion (that is: sufficient evidence of implementation): each of the tests which have been officially approved by the WG is passed by two or more implementations.

14:35:25 <ArthurK> +1

Arthur Keen: +1

14:35:31 <AndyS> I hope we will have external reports.

Andy Seaborne: I hope we will have external reports.

14:35:40 <sandro> indeed.

Sandro Hawke: indeed.

14:35:41 <AxelPolleres> topic: comments

4. comments

14:35:48 <AxelPolleres> RC-2

Axel Polleres: RC-2

14:36:50 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Sep/0002.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Sep/0002.html

14:37:05 <cbuilara> kasei: I send an email summarizing, I talked to him offline, he is not happy at all about the suggestion I made, continues to add a normative language as the format for errors, I do not really see a value of doing that

Gregory Williams: I send an email summarizing, I talked to him offline, he is not happy at all about the suggestion I made, continues to add a normative language as the format for errors, I do not really see a value of doing that

14:37:45 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: it is not an option to follow Richard's advice

Axel Polleres: it is not an option to follow Richard's advice

14:37:55 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: it is too late and there is no technical agreement

Axel Polleres: it is too late and there is no technical agreement

14:38:27 <cbuilara> kasei: it is too late because we delayed the protocol document

Gregory Williams: it is too late because we delayed the protocol document

14:39:05 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: it is only an example about errors we have

Axel Polleres: it is only an example about errors we have

14:39:54 <cbuilara> kasei: it may be an issue about the status messages

Gregory Williams: it may be an issue about the status messages

14:40:05 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: this is off the table in the group

Axel Polleres: this is off the table in the group

14:40:26 <cbuilara> kasei: changing the examples will be good, but Richard will think that this is not enough

Gregory Williams: changing the examples will be good, but Richard will think that this is not enough

14:40:41 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: we could put something in the future work

Axel Polleres: we could put something in the future work

14:41:22 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: can you draft the response?

Axel Polleres: can you draft the response?

14:41:59 <cbuilara> kasei: I can try, but maybe he is upset at me

Gregory Williams: I can try, but maybe he is upset at me

14:42:16 <cbuilara> kasei: I will do it if nobody else can do it

Gregory Williams: I will do it if nobody else can do it

14:42:38 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: Greg to sync up with Lee about this issue

Axel Polleres: Greg to sync up with Lee about this issue

14:43:52 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to sync with Lee on drafting a response to RC-2

ACTION: greg to sync with Lee on drafting a response to RC-2

14:44:09 <cbuilara> sandro: I think that using HTTP error messages is weird

Sandro Hawke: I think that using HTTP error messages is weird

14:44:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-686 - Sync with Lee on drafting a response to RC-2 [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-10-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-686 - Sync with Lee on drafting a response to RC-2 [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-10-02].

14:44:26 <cbuilara> kasei: I'm happy in reverting the changes

Gregory Williams: I'm happy in reverting the changes

14:44:37 <AxelPolleres> RV-10

Axel Polleres: RV-10

14:46:07 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RV-10

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RV-10

14:46:32 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: only thing open was what is the behavior of blank nodes in QuadData, we should add some explanation in the spec

Axel Polleres: only thing open was what is the behavior of blank nodes in QuadData, we should add some explanation in the spec

14:47:23 <AxelPolleres> INSERT DATA { GRAPH :g1  { _:b :p :o }         	      GRAPH :g2  { _:b :p :o } } ;

Axel Polleres: INSERT DATA { GRAPH :g1 { _:b :p :o } GRAPH :g2 { _:b :p :o } } ;

14:47:26 <AndyS> I don't see any changes to update since 9/9 - are the editorial changes outstanding?

Andy Seaborne: I don't see any changes to update since 9/9 - are the editorial changes outstanding?

14:47:34 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: essentially the question is what happens if you insert the data before

Axel Polleres: essentially the question is what happens if you insert the data before

14:47:44 <AxelPolleres> INSERT DATA { GRAPH :g1  { _:b :p :o } } ; INSERT DATA { GRAPH :g2  { _:b :p :o } }

Axel Polleres: INSERT DATA { GRAPH :g1 { _:b :p :o } } ; INSERT DATA { GRAPH :g2 { _:b :p :o } }

14:48:22 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: from my perspective we haven't written the formal semantics, I want to know what the implementers think

Axel Polleres: from my perspective we haven't written the formal semantics, I want to know what the implementers think

14:49:20 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: some of the blank nodes in the operations would be different

Axel Polleres: some of the blank nodes in the operations would be different

14:50:00 <cbuilara> kasei: I agree that AndyS does this, my implementation does it

Gregory Williams: I agree with Andys, my implementation does it

14:50:56 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: I will make this commit today (the editorial change)

Axel Polleres: I will make this commit today (the editorial change)

14:51:03 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: we can discuss it offline

Axel Polleres: we can discuss it offline

14:51:07 <kasei> s/that AndyS does this/with Andys/
14:51:23 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to make editorial edits on update explaining the intended behaviour on bnodes shared across operations

ACTION: Axel to make editorial edits on update explaining the intended behaviour on bnodes shared across operations

14:51:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-687 - Make editorial edits on update explaining the intended behaviour on bnodes shared across operations [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-10-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-687 - Make editorial edits on update explaining the intended behaviour on bnodes shared across operations [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-10-02].

14:52:15 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: I would appreciate if you participate ini the mail discussion

Axel Polleres: I would appreciate if you participate ini the mail discussion

14:52:34 <cbuilara> AndyS: when would you like to have the changes made?

Andy Seaborne: when would you like to have the changes made?

14:52:42 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: I will try to make them today

Axel Polleres: I will try to make them today

14:54:03 <AxelPolleres> topic: final edit requirements

5. final edit requirements

14:54:07 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: Sandro, is there any progress on the CR page

Axel Polleres: Sandro, is there any progress on the CR page

14:54:18 <cbuilara> sandro: I will try to update the page today

Sandro Hawke: I will try to update the page today

14:54:45 <cbuilara> sandro: this is more about gathering data (implementation reports, comments, etc.)

Sandro Hawke: this is more about gathering data (implementation reports, comments, etc.)

14:55:36 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: pending issue: get draft responses out,  get implementation reports ready

Axel Polleres: pending issue: get draft responses out, get implementation reports ready

14:55:58 <cbuilara> sandro: we should get Richard to not formally object

Sandro Hawke: we should get Richard to not formally object

14:56:15 <AxelPolleres> AOB?

Axel Polleres: AOB?

14:56:54 <AxelPolleres> adjourned

Axel Polleres: adjourned

14:57:12 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public

14:57:22 <AxelPolleres> carlos, will you do the common scribe stuff?

Axel Polleres: carlos, will you do the common scribe stuff?

14:57:46 <cbuilara> yes

yes

14:58:42 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check Birte's README edits on entailment tests

ACTION: Axel to check Birte's README edits on entailment tests

14:58:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-688 - Check Birte's README edits on entailment tests [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-10-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-688 - Check Birte's README edits on entailment tests [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-10-02].

14:58:54 <cbuilara> RRSAgent, generate minutes

RRSAgent, generate minutes

14:58:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/25-sparql-minutes.html cbuilara

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/25-sparql-minutes.html cbuilara

14:59:09 <AxelPolleres> thanks carlos for scribing!

Axel Polleres: thanks carlos for scribing!

14:59:40 <cbuilara> :)

:)

15:02:50 <cbuilara> rssagent, draft minutes

rssagent, draft minutes

15:03:12 <cbuilara> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes

15:03:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/25-sparql-minutes.html cbuilara

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/25-sparql-minutes.html cbuilara

15:03:37 <cbuilara> RRSAgent, please make these logs public

RRSAgent, please make these logs public



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