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SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 04 September 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-09-04
Seen
Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Carlos Buil Aranda, Gregory Williams, Lee Feigenbaum, Paula Gearon, Sandro Hawke, Steve Harris
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-08-21 link
Topics
  1. admin

  2. test corrections

  3. Comments

  4. actions

    �next time, we should have all OPEN comments replied and ideally ack'ed, I will follow up individually with the responsible people to answer. goal for next time is to run through all docs and vote for publication as PR or CR, depending whether we are happy with the implementation status. we should also discuss the protocol test completeness check that Carlos did.

13:56:02 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/09/04-sparql-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/09/04-sparql-irc

13:56:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world

13:56:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277

13:56:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

13:56:07 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:56:07 <trackbot> Date: 04 September 2012
13:56:16 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

13:56:16 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres

13:56:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, LeeF, MacTed, cbuilara, AndyS, SteveH, pgearon_, pgearon, trackbot, sandro, ericP, ya, kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, LeeF, MacTed, cbuilara, AndyS, SteveH, pgearon_, pgearon, trackbot, sandro, ericP, ya, kasei

13:56:44 <AxelPolleres> Agenda:http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-09-04
13:57:01 <AndyS> zakim unhappy

Andy Seaborne: zakim unhappy

13:58:27 <AndyS> zakim is not answering the phone

Andy Seaborne: zakim is not answering the phone

13:58:33 <sandro> Wow.    "We're sorry, due to telephone company facility trouble, your call cannot be completed".   Are others getting that?

Sandro Hawke: Wow. "We're sorry, due to telephone company facility trouble, your call cannot be completed". Are others getting that?

13:59:00 <AxelPolleres> hmmm, I think I am in the phone.

Axel Polleres: hmmm, I think I am in the phone.

13:59:06 <AndyS> I just get ringing, then eventually silence - ringtones do nothing.

Andy Seaborne: I just get ringing, then eventually silence - ringtones do nothing.

13:59:12 <AxelPolleres> but noone else I could hear :-)

Axel Polleres: but noone else I could hear :-)

13:59:15 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone?

13:59:15 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AndyS

13:59:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, LeeF, MacTed, cbuilara, AndyS, SteveH, pgearon_, pgearon, trackbot, sandro, ericP, ya, kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, LeeF, MacTed, cbuilara, AndyS, SteveH, pgearon_, pgearon, trackbot, sandro, ericP, ya, kasei

13:59:18 <cbuilara> same here

Carlos Buil Aranda: same here

13:59:33 <cbuilara> I hear the ringing but nothing else

Carlos Buil Aranda: I hear the ringing but nothing else

13:59:43 <AxelPolleres> I hardly dare to hang up and redail...

Axel Polleres: I hardly dare to hang up and redail...

13:59:52 <AndyS> Axel - you are not on the phone according to zakim.

Andy Seaborne: Axel - you are not on the phone according to zakim.

14:00:41 <AxelPolleres> right, but I dialed in and got the usual "you are the first participant in this call"

Axel Polleres: right, but I dialed in and got the usual "you are the first participant in this call"

14:00:50 <AndyS> sandro - is there a W3C  services status page?  (I can't reach the reset button from here!)

Andy Seaborne: sandro - is there a W3C services status page? (I can't reach the reset button from here!)

14:01:17 <AxelPolleres> hmmm, trying to re-dial now, I got a busy sign.

Axel Polleres: hmmm, trying to re-dial now, I got a busy sign.

14:01:29 <SteveH> I get nothing at all

Steve Harris: I get nothing at all

14:02:12 <AxelPolleres> hmmmm, should we try to have a conf. on IRC only?

Axel Polleres: hmmmm, should we try to have a conf. on IRC only?

14:02:13 <pgearon_> I'm not having any success in dialing either

Paula Gearon: I'm not having any success in dialing either

14:02:37 <AndyS> trying #sysreq ...

Andy Seaborne: trying #sysreq ...

14:02:41 <bglimm> I also can't dial in

Birte Glimm: I also can't dial in

14:02:46 <pgearon> oops, wrong console. I'll log out there

Paula Gearon: oops, wrong console. I'll log out there

14:02:49 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll: start on chat only?

STRAWPOLL: start on chat only?

14:02:52 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:02:59 <sandro> Zakim is down.      They're working on it.

Sandro Hawke: Zakim is down. They're working on it.

14:03:04 <cbuilara> +1

Carlos Buil Aranda: +1

14:03:09 <AxelPolleres> (makes scribing easy at least)

Axel Polleres: (makes scribing easy at least)

14:03:09 <bglimm> poor Zakim

Birte Glimm: poor Zakim

14:03:20 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:03:21 <AndyS> IRC only.

Andy Seaborne: IRC only.

14:03:36 <AxelPolleres> ok, let's start

Axel Polleres: ok, let's start

14:03:51 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-09-04
14:03:59 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin

1. admin

14:04:07 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-08-21

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-08-21

14:04:10 <AxelPolleres> any support?

Axel Polleres: any support?

14:04:25 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

14:04:44 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-08-21

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-08-21

14:04:48 <AxelPolleres> (reading no objections)

Axel Polleres: (reading no objections)

14:04:58 <AxelPolleres> oh my...

Axel Polleres: oh my...

14:05:04 <AxelPolleres> now Zakim left as well.

Axel Polleres: now Zakim left as well.

14:05:22 <AxelPolleres> Sandro, how are the chances that the chatlog keeps with us? (rrsagent is still here)

Axel Polleres: Sandro, how are the chances that the chatlog keeps with us? (rrsagent is still here)

14:05:37 <kasei> i just got through on the phone.

Gregory Williams: i just got through on the phone.

14:05:48 <AxelPolleres> ok, let's all try to re-dial then

Axel Polleres: ok, let's all try to re-dial then

14:05:52 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting

Axel Polleres: trackbot, start meeting

14:05:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world

14:05:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277

14:05:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start 5 minutes ago

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start 5 minutes ago

14:05:57 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:05:58 <trackbot> Date: 04 September 2012
14:06:29 <AxelPolleres> ok, Zakim ,seems back

Axel Polleres: ok, Zakim ,seems back

14:07:14 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:07:14 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres

14:07:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see bglimm, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, LeeF, MacTed, cbuilara, AndyS, SteveH, pgearon, trackbot, sandro, ericP, ya, kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bglimm, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, LeeF, MacTed, cbuilara, AndyS, SteveH, pgearon, trackbot, sandro, ericP, ya, kasei

14:07:26 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:07:26 <Zakim> sorry, bglimm, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bglimm, I don't know what conference this is

14:07:39 <bglimm> Zakim, this is SPARQL

Birte Glimm: Zakim, this is SPARQL

14:07:39 <Zakim> ok, bglimm; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, bglimm; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

14:07:45 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:07:45 <Zakim> sorry, bglimm, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bglimm, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:07:53 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:07:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see +43.12.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +43.12.aaaa

14:07:54 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:07:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see +43.12.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +43.12.aaaa

14:07:57 <kasei> hmmm... i got dropped silently. redialing.

Gregory Williams: hmmm... i got dropped silently. redialing.

14:08:00 <cbuilara> zakim, ??aaaa is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??aaaa is me

14:08:00 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '??aaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '??aaaa'

14:08:07 <cbuilara> zakim, .aaaa is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, .aaaa is me

14:08:07 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '.aaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '.aaaa'

14:08:16 <cbuilara> zakim, aaaa is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, aaaa is me

14:08:16 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it

14:08:20 <AxelPolleres> maybe we just continue on chat until it stabilizes

Axel Polleres: maybe we just continue on chat until it stabilizes

14:08:21 <cbuilara> zakim, mute me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, mute me

14:08:21 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, muting is not permitted when only one person is present

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, cbuilara, muting is not permitted when only one person is present

14:08:32 <AxelPolleres> any support for continuing on chat?

Axel Polleres: any support for continuing on chat?

14:08:45 <cbuilara> +1

Carlos Buil Aranda: +1

14:08:50 <AndyS> +1 to chart only for a while until it settles down

Andy Seaborne: +1 to chart only for a while until it settles down

14:08:55 <AndyS> +1 to chat only for a while until it settles down

Andy Seaborne: +1 to chat only for a while until it settles down

14:09:04 <bglimm> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Birte Glimm: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:09:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cbuilara

14:09:17 <AxelPolleres> Next regular meeting: 2012-09-11 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST

Axel Polleres: Next regular meeting: 2012-09-11 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST

14:09:19 <cbuilara> it wasn't me

Carlos Buil Aranda: it wasn't me

14:09:22 <kasei> weird. bglimm, axel, and I are on a phantom call.

Gregory Williams: weird. bglimm, axel, and I are on a phantom call.

14:09:28 <AxelPolleres> @Andy... any news from RDF WG liaison ?

Axel Polleres: @Andy... any news from RDF WG liaison ?

14:10:04 <AndyS> No news - RDF-WG meeting this week - restart normal schedule after the summer

Andy Seaborne: No news - RDF-WG meeting this week - restart normal schedule after the summer

14:10:05 <AxelPolleres> paul also on the call now

Axel Polleres: paul also on the call now

14:10:17 <AxelPolleres> ok

Axel Polleres: ok

14:10:20 <sandro> Zakim, this is sparql

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, this is sparql

14:10:31 <AxelPolleres> topic: test corrections

2. test corrections

14:10:46 <Zakim> sparql matches both SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM and SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: sparql matches both SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM and SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM, sandro

14:10:46 <AxelPolleres> query/update tests needing corrections as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0153.html

Axel Polleres: query/update tests needing corrections as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0153.html

14:10:59 <AxelPolleres> ... these test cases are in relation to the BIND changes, right?

Axel Polleres: ... these test cases are in relation to the BIND changes, right?

14:11:13 <AxelPolleres> let's have a look at the mail

Axel Polleres: let's have a look at the mail

14:11:25 <AndyS> some are , some are corrections (the update ones)

Andy Seaborne: some are , some are corrections (the update ones)

14:11:47 <AxelPolleres> Can you elabortate whioch cases are affected by http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0135 and how?

Axel Polleres: Can you elabortate whioch cases are affected by http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0135 and how?

14:12:03 <AndyS> Update ones are just plain wrong as everyone seems to agree. Not sure how they sneaked in.

Andy Seaborne: Update ones are just plain wrong as everyone seems to agree. Not sure how they sneaked in.

14:12:15 <AxelPolleres> I see:

Axel Polleres: I see:

14:12:18 <AxelPolleres> www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/delete/manifest.ttl#dawg-delete-using-02

Axel Polleres: www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/delete/manifest.ttl#dawg-delete-using-02

14:12:20 <AxelPolleres> and

Axel Polleres: and

14:12:22 <AxelPolleres> www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/delete/manifest.ttl#dawg-delete-using-06

Axel Polleres: www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/delete/manifest.ttl#dawg-delete-using-06

14:12:41 <AndyS> Guess - greg and I made the same conceptual bug handling USING

Andy Seaborne: Guess - greg and I made the same conceptual bug handling USING

14:13:27 <AndyS> I have not changed the tests as they are marked approved.  Maybe assign actions to revise today - reapprove next week.

Andy Seaborne: I have not changed the tests as they are marked approved. Maybe assign actions to revise today - reapprove next week.

14:13:59 <AxelPolleres> so the proposal is to disapprove www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/delete/manifest.ttl#dawg-delete-using-02 + 06 yes?

Axel Polleres: so the proposal is to disapprove www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/delete/manifest.ttl#dawg-delete-using-02 + 06 yes?

14:14:08 <pgearon> AndyS - I am

Paula Gearon: AndyS - I am

14:14:24 <AxelPolleres> on the phone: axel, birte, greg, andy, anyone else?

Axel Polleres: on the phone: axel, birte, greg, andy, anyone else?

14:14:41 <cbuilara> redialing

Carlos Buil Aranda: redialing

14:15:13 <AndyS> I can take an action to do these (and the BIND/scope ones).

Andy Seaborne: I can take an action to do these (and the BIND/scope ones).

14:15:19 <AxelPolleres> anybody volunteering to look into whether www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/delete/manifest.ttl#dawg-delete-using-02 +06 can be repaired? (for the moment they are marked as unapproved, yes?)

Axel Polleres: anybody volunteering to look into whether www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/delete/manifest.ttl#dawg-delete-using-02 +06 can be repaired? (for the moment they are marked as unapproved, yes?)

14:15:42 <AxelPolleres> thanks andy (for the BIND-scope tests)!

Axel Polleres: thanks andy (for the BIND-scope tests)!

14:15:49 <AxelPolleres> any volunteer for the delete tests?

Axel Polleres: any volunteer for the delete tests?

14:16:01 <AndyS> They are all marked approved currently - see manifests

Andy Seaborne: They are all marked approved currently - see manifests

14:16:06 <AndyS> I'll do all 4.

Andy Seaborne: I'll do all 4.

14:16:57 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Andy to unapprove test cases as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0153.html and attempt to fix them until next telco

ACTION: Andy to unapprove test cases as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0153.html and attempt to fix them until next telco

14:16:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-675 - Unapprove test cases as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0153.html and attempt to fix them until next telco [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-09-11].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-675 - Unapprove test cases as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0153.html and attempt to fix them until next telco [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-09-11].

14:17:07 <AxelPolleres> thanks, andy!

Axel Polleres: thanks, andy!

14:17:22 <AxelPolleres> topic: Comments

3. Comments

14:17:44 <AxelPolleres> goal for today is to - ideally - close all open comments on rec track docs

Axel Polleres: goal for today is to - ideally - close all open comments on rec track docs

14:18:18 <AxelPolleres> we have 7 marked open, as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0156.html

Axel Polleres: we have 7 marked open, as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0156.html

14:18:41 <AxelPolleres> let's look them through on http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

Axel Polleres: let's look them through on http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

14:19:11 <AxelPolleres> draft for HK-4+JC-6 is here: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:HK-5

Axel Polleres: draft for HK-4+JC-6 is here: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:HK-5

14:19:21 <AxelPolleres> ok to send? (needs one more approval)

Axel Polleres: ok to send? (needs one more approval)

14:19:51 <AndyS> HK-4 (BIND) -- drafted, has one +1 : might be good for WG to formally accept the changes.

Andy Seaborne: HK-4 (BIND) -- drafted, has one +1 : might be good for WG to formally accept the changes.

14:20:10 <AxelPolleres> this is the joint response to the to HK-4 and JC-6, yes?

Axel Polleres: this is the joint response to the to HK-4 and JC-6, yes?

14:20:21 <AndyS> Yes - it's the same comment.

Andy Seaborne: Yes - it's the same comment.

14:20:21 <kasei> +1 on HK-5

Gregory Williams: +1 on HK-5

14:20:33 <LeeF> I'm working on RC-2 response while semi-monitoring IRC, FYI

Lee Feigenbaum: I'm working on RC-2 response while semi-monitoring IRC, FYI

14:20:47 <AndyS> (s/HK-4/HK-5/g !!!)

Andy Seaborne: (s/HK-4/HK-5/g !!!)

14:21:01 <AxelPolleres> so, http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:HK-5  ok to send from my side, then.

Axel Polleres: so, http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:HK-5 ok to send from my side, then.

14:21:08 <bglimm> `1

Birte Glimm: `1

14:21:11 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:21:21 <AxelPolleres> Andy, will you send it off?

Axel Polleres: Andy, will you send it off?

14:21:23 <AndyS> Ack - will send.

Andy Seaborne: Ack - will send.

14:21:29 <AxelPolleres> next one is BB-1

Axel Polleres: next one is BB-1

14:21:42 <AxelPolleres> draft here: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:BB-1

Axel Polleres: draft here: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:BB-1

14:22:11 <AndyS> +1 to send response

Andy Seaborne: +1 to send response

14:22:15 <AxelPolleres> one more?

Axel Polleres: one more?

14:23:16 <AxelPolleres> all, please feel free to read BB-1 now and (hopefully we'll get another +1 ;-))

Axel Polleres: all, please feel free to read BB-1 now and (hopefully we'll get another +1 ;-))

14:24:25 <bglimm> Shouldn't the last example have a FROM NAMED <http://ex.com#g1>?

Birte Glimm: Shouldn't the last example have a FROM NAMED <http://ex.com#g1>?

14:24:34 <AxelPolleres> ok steve, pls don't forget to ping re:DBeckett-1 for an ack as discussed in mail offline

Axel Polleres: ok steve, pls don't forget to ping re:DBeckett-1 for an ack as discussed in mail offline

14:24:46 <AxelPolleres> bglimm, just a second...

Axel Polleres: bglimm, just a second...

14:25:46 <AxelPolleres> ... well, no, this is assuming that g1 is in the default dataset (probably I should say that)

Axel Polleres: ... well, no, this is assuming that g1 is in the default dataset (probably I should say that)

14:26:20 <bglimm> Yes, saying that might help

Birte Glimm: Yes, saying that might help

14:26:22 <cbuilara> +1

Carlos Buil Aranda: +1

14:26:38 <cbuilara> (I read it quickly and it seems ok to me)

Carlos Buil Aranda: (I read it quickly and it seems ok to me)

14:26:41 <bglimm> other than that +1

Birte Glimm: other than that +1

14:26:59 <AxelPolleres> ok, look here:

Axel Polleres: ok, look here:

14:27:07 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/index.php?title=CommentResponse%3ABB-1&diff=4915&oldid=4910

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/index.php?title=CommentResponse%3ABB-1&diff=4915&oldid=4910

14:27:31 <AxelPolleres> waiting for ack from Birte...

Axel Polleres: waiting for ack from Birte...

14:27:51 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to send off response to BB-1

ACTION: Axel to send off response to BB-1

14:27:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-676 - Send off response to BB-1 [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-09-11].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-676 - Send off response to BB-1 [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-09-11].

14:28:11 <AxelPolleres> sandro, are you here?

Axel Polleres: sandro, are you here?

14:28:35 <bglimm> yes, my ack was +1 modulo the addition of the small comment you mentioned

Birte Glimm: yes, my ack was +1 modulo the addition of the small comment you mentioned

14:28:45 <AxelPolleres> done, birte, thanks

Axel Polleres: done, birte, thanks

14:29:45 <AxelPolleres> I pinged sandro offline on the status of JL-4

Axel Polleres: I pinged sandro offline on the status of JL-4

14:30:06 <bglimm> ok

Birte Glimm: ok

14:31:13 <AxelPolleres> lee, how's RC-2 doing?

Axel Polleres: lee, how's RC-2 doing?

14:32:16 <sandro> (I moved LJ-4 along, but it's not resolved yet.)

Sandro Hawke: (I moved LJ-4 along, but it's not resolved yet.)

14:32:28 <AxelPolleres> chime sent regrets for today, I pinged him on mail for his open comments.

Axel Polleres: chime sent regrets for today, I pinged him on mail for his open comments.

14:32:42 <AxelPolleres> sandro, did you contact him offline?

Axel Polleres: sandro, did you contact him offline?

14:33:12 <AxelPolleres> ah, sorry, no more open comments from chime.

Axel Polleres: ah, sorry, no more open comments from chime.

14:33:27 <AxelPolleres> yes, we have all open comments through, I think

Axel Polleres: yes, we have all open comments through, I think

14:33:33 <AxelPolleres> topic: actions

4. actions

Summary: �next time, we should have all OPEN comments replied and ideally ack'ed, I will follow up individually with the responsible people to answer. goal for next time is to run through all docs and vote for publication as PR or CR, depending whether we are happy with the implementation status. we should also discuss the protocol test completeness check that Carlos did.

14:34:33 <sandro> AxelPolleres, no, I kept the comments list cc'd

Sandro Hawke: AxelPolleres, no, I kept the comments list cc'd

14:34:47 <sandro> but the w3c network is messed up this morning.

Sandro Hawke: but the w3c network is messed up this morning.

14:34:54 <AxelPolleres> action-674 continued

Axel Polleres: ACTION-674 continued

14:34:55 <AndyS> (comments JC-4, JC-5 can be marked done then?)

Andy Seaborne: (comments JC-4, JC-5 can be marked done then?)

14:35:39 <AxelPolleres> Andy, ah ,right, that was what I had contacted Chime for on email.

Axel Polleres: Andy, ah ,right, that was what I had contacted Chime for on email.

14:35:46 <AndyS> Ack

Andy Seaborne: Ack

14:35:53 <AxelPolleres> he had promised to follow up in the call two weeks ago.

Axel Polleres: he had promised to follow up in the call two weeks ago.

14:36:01 <AxelPolleres> so, let's keep them open

Axel Polleres: so, let's keep them open

14:36:19 <LeeF> RC-2 is drafted

Lee Feigenbaum: RC-2 is drafted

14:36:23 <AxelPolleres> sandro, ok, so we keep JL-4 open atm.

Axel Polleres: sandro, ok, so we keep JL-4 open atm.

14:36:26 <LeeF> but Greg needs to ask Andy something

Lee Feigenbaum: but Greg needs to ask Andy something

14:36:37 <AxelPolleres> lee., can you paste the link?

Axel Polleres: lee., can you paste the link?

14:36:53 <AndyS> greg - Q?

Andy Seaborne: greg - Q?

14:37:55 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RC-2

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RC-2

14:38:38 <AxelPolleres> +1 to http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RC-2

Axel Polleres: +1 to http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RC-2

14:38:45 <AxelPolleres> anybody else?

Axel Polleres: anybody else?

14:39:05 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

14:39:06 <AxelPolleres> (to support http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RC-2, I mean)

Axel Polleres: (to support http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RC-2, I mean)

14:39:22 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:39:24 <AxelPolleres> fine, leef, ok to send off RC-2, pls ack

Axel Polleres: fine, leef, ok to send off RC-2, pls ack

14:39:39 <AxelPolleres> back to actions...

Axel Polleres: back to actions...

14:40:06 <AxelPolleres> AndyS, action-673 can be closed, right?

Axel Polleres: AndyS, ACTION-673 can be closed, right?

14:40:54 <kasei> actions 661, 662, and 664 can be closed.

Gregory Williams: actions 661, 662, and 664 can be closed.

14:41:03 <AndyS> yes - close it

Andy Seaborne: yes - close it

14:41:12 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-673

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-673

14:41:12 <trackbot> ACTION-673 Fix the LC3 spec as per the proposal in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0123.html closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-673 Fix the LC3 spec as per the proposal in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0123.html closed

14:41:17 <AndyS> close ACTION-673

Andy Seaborne: close ACTION-673

14:41:17 <trackbot> ACTION-673 Fix the LC3 spec as per the proposal in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0123.html closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-673 Fix the LC3 spec as per the proposal in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0123.html closed

14:41:26 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-661

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-661

14:41:26 <trackbot> ACTION-661 Confirm Andy's change to the grammar, and run the tests closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-661 Confirm Andy's change to the grammar, and run the tests closed

14:41:45 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-662

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-662

14:41:45 <trackbot> ACTION-662 Record unapprovals closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-662 Record unapprovals closed

14:41:56 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-664

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-664

14:41:56 <trackbot> ACTION-664 Mark the Sd tests as approved closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-664 Mark the Sd tests as approved closed

14:42:18 <AxelPolleres> carlos, you sent a mail on ACTION-672, right?

Axel Polleres: carlos, you sent a mail on ACTION-672, right?

14:42:33 <cbuilara> yes, I will re send it

Carlos Buil Aranda: yes, I will re send it

14:42:43 <cbuilara> as for closing ACTION-672

Carlos Buil Aranda: as for closing ACTION-672

14:42:58 <AxelPolleres> sandro, ACTION-670 can be closed, or no? (think I remember I saw the mail) ... any news from RIF?

Axel Polleres: sandro, ACTION-670 can be closed, or no? (think I remember I saw the mail) ... any news from RIF?

14:44:07 <AxelPolleres> discussion of ACTION-672, cf. thread http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0164.html

Axel Polleres: discussion of ACTION-672, cf. thread http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0164.html

14:44:18 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-672 cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0164.html

Axel Polleres: ACTION-672 cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0164.html

14:44:33 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-672

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-672

14:44:33 <trackbot> ACTION-672 look over protocol test cases for completeness closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-672 look over protocol test cases for completeness closed

14:45:34 <AxelPolleres> let us discuss this next time, along with going through all docs - ideally voting for re-publications as PR/CR

Axel Polleres: let us discuss this next time, along with going through all docs - ideally voting for re-publications as PR/CR

14:45:49 <LeeF> OK, I'll send RC-2 as is

Lee Feigenbaum: OK, I'll send RC-2 as is

14:45:59 <AxelPolleres> great!

Axel Polleres: great!

14:47:37 <AxelPolleres> www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open

Axel Polleres: www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open

14:48:04 <bglimm> I just work on my action to reach out to implementers by writing to Kendall...

Birte Glimm: I just work on my action to reach out to implementers by writing to Kendall...

14:48:31 <AxelPolleres> greg, isn't http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/631 to be closed as well?

Axel Polleres: greg, isn't http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/631 to be closed as well?

14:48:49 <AxelPolleres> birte, any news regarding implementations?

Axel Polleres: birte, any news regarding implementations?

14:49:18 <kasei> AxelPolleres, 631 is still in progress. so it could be closed, but I'd just as soon see it left open until we finish that work.

Gregory Williams: AxelPolleres, 631 is still in progress. so it could be closed, but I'd just as soon see it left open until we finish that work.

14:49:36 <kasei> since I haven't addressed all of Andy's feedback on those tests yet.

Gregory Williams: since I haven't addressed all of Andy's feedback on those tests yet.

14:49:44 <AxelPolleres> birte, given also that we don't have feedback on RIF entailment implementaitons yet, I guess we will progress to CR rather than PR with Entailment, let's see what we have next week.

Axel Polleres: birte, given also that we don't have feedback on RIF entailment implementaitons yet, I guess we will progress to CR rather than PR with Entailment, let's see what we have next week.

14:49:49 <AxelPolleres> gre, ok, thanks.

Axel Polleres: gre, ok, thanks.

14:50:13 <bglimm> Jeff Pan (and his guys) and Michael Schneider are currently implementing

Birte Glimm: Jeff Pan (and his guys) and Michael Schneider are currently implementing

14:50:21 <bglimm> Yes, definitely CR

Birte Glimm: Yes, definitely CR

14:50:29 <AxelPolleres> carlos, I think ACTION-643 can be closed

Axel Polleres: carlos, I think ACTION-643 can be closed

14:50:33 <AxelPolleres> right?

Axel Polleres: right?

14:50:51 <cbuilara> yes

Carlos Buil Aranda: yes

14:50:52 <bglimm> I'm also working on getting test reports out for HermiT and the OWL DS regime

Birte Glimm: I'm also working on getting test reports out for HermiT and the OWL DS regime

14:51:01 <cbuilara> I sent an email while ago, I'm looking for it

Carlos Buil Aranda: I sent an email while ago, I'm looking for it

14:51:04 <AxelPolleres> IIRC, paul mentioned that the review was processed already... carlos, do you have the link to the review mail at hand?

Axel Polleres: IIRC, paul mentioned that the review was processed already... carlos, do you have the link to the review mail at hand?

14:52:08 <AxelPolleres> please paste the link (would like to update to_pr page and the ACTION accordingly, before I mark it closed)

Axel Polleres: please paste the link (would like to update to_pr page and the ACTION accordingly, before I mark it closed)

14:52:13 <cbuilara> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0065.html

Carlos Buil Aranda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0065.html

14:53:58 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-643

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-643

14:53:59 <trackbot> ACTION-643 Review update closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-643 Review update closed

14:54:38 <AxelPolleres> I think that's mostly all we can do for today.

Axel Polleres: I think that's mostly all we can do for today.

14:54:51 <AxelPolleres> AOB?

Axel Polleres: AOB?

14:56:43 <AxelPolleres> next time, we should have all OPEN comments replied and ideally ack'ed, I will follow up individually with the responsible people to answer. goal for next time is to run through all docs and vote for publication as PR or CR, depending whether we are happy with the implementation status. we should also discuss the protocol test completeness check that Carlos did.

Axel Polleres: next time, we should have all OPEN comments replied and ideally ack'ed, I will follow up individually with the responsible people to answer. goal for next time is to run through all docs and vote for publication as PR or CR, depending whether we are happy with the implementation status. we should also discuss the protocol test completeness check that Carlos did.

14:57:05 <AxelPolleres> hope all agree with that plan, anything more for next time?

Axel Polleres: hope all agree with that plan, anything more for next time?

14:57:20 <bglimm> I won't be able to join next week

Birte Glimm: I won't be able to join next week

14:57:44 <bglimm> I can write some status email before the telco

Birte Glimm: I can write some status email before the telco

14:58:08 <AxelPolleres> birte, please update us on anything entailment-relevant beforehand and - ideally - let us know your votes to publish per document per mail

Axel Polleres: birte, please update us on anything entailment-relevant beforehand and - ideally - let us know your votes to publish per document per mail

14:58:12 <AxelPolleres> thanks

Axel Polleres: thanks

14:58:20 <bglimm> will do

Birte Glimm: will do

14:58:23 <AxelPolleres> summary: �next time, we should have all OPEN comments replied and ideally ack'ed, I will follow up individually with the responsible people to answer. goal for next time is to run through all docs and vote for publication as PR or CR, depending whether we are happy with the implementation status. we should also discuss the protocol test completeness check that Carlos did.
14:58:29 <AxelPolleres> thanks all, adjourned.

Axel Polleres: thanks all, adjourned.

14:58:58 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public



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