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SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 20 December 2011

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0402
Seen
Andy Seaborne, Birte Glimm, Carlos Buil Aranda, Chimezie Ogbuji, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Gregory Williams, Matthew Perry, Olivier Corby, Paula Gearon, Sandro Hawke, Steve Harris
Chair
Sandro Hawke
Scribe
Carlos Buil Aranda
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. skip Dec 27th meeting, next mtg Jan 3rd link
  2. Publish 'Query' as Last Call link
  3. Publish 'Entailment Regimes' as Last Call link
  4. Publish 'Update' as Last Call link
  5. Publish 'Service Description' as Last Call link
  6. Publish 'Protocol' as Last Call link
  7. we'll publish as soon as practical after the moratiorium, and have a review period of 4 weeks link
  8. we'll include the text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0403.html in each LC draft link
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15:00:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

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15:00:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now

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15:00:29 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
15:00:29 <trackbot> Date: 20 December 2011
15:00:34 <sandro> zakim, code?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, code?

15:00:34 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sandro

15:00:42 <sandro> trackbot, start meeting

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15:00:44 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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15:00:46 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

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15:00:46 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now

15:00:47 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
15:00:47 <trackbot> Date: 20 December 2011
15:01:07 <kasei> Zakim, who is here?

Gregory Williams: Zakim, who is here?

15:01:07 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, kasei

15:01:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see bglimm, Zakim, RRSAgent, MattPerry, cbuilara, Olivier, iv_an_ru, chimezie, MacTed, swh, AndyS, pgearon, kasei, trackbot, NickH, ya, ericP, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bglimm, Zakim, RRSAgent, MattPerry, cbuilara, Olivier, iv_an_ru, chimezie, MacTed, swh, AndyS, pgearon, kasei, trackbot, NickH, ya, ericP, sandro

15:01:48 <sandro> zakim, this is sparql

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this is sparql

15:01:49 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

15:01:55 <sandro> zakim, who is here?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here?

15:01:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.781.899.aaaa, kasei, +1.603.897.aabb, ??P15, ??P11, ??P17, ??P16

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.781.899.aaaa, kasei, +1.603.897.aabb, ??P15, ??P11, ??P17, ??P16

15:01:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see bglimm, Zakim, RRSAgent, MattPerry, cbuilara, Olivier, iv_an_ru, chimezie, MacTed, swh, AndyS, pgearon, kasei, trackbot, NickH, ya, ericP, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bglimm, Zakim, RRSAgent, MattPerry, cbuilara, Olivier, iv_an_ru, chimezie, MacTed, swh, AndyS, pgearon, kasei, trackbot, NickH, ya, ericP, sandro

15:02:12 <bglimm> Who I am I

Birte Glimm: Who I am I

15:02:24 <MattPerry> zakim, aabb is me

Matthew Perry: zakim, aabb is me

15:02:24 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it

15:02:33 <bglimm> How can I do hands up?

Birte Glimm: How can I do hands up?

15:02:34 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is me

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaaa is me

15:02:34 <Zakim> +sandro; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro; got it

15:02:36 <swh> Zakim, ??P15 is me

Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P15 is me

15:02:36 <Zakim> +swh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +swh; got it

15:02:51 <swh> q-

Steve Harris: q-

15:02:57 <swh> Zakim, q=

Steve Harris: Zakim, q=

15:02:57 <Zakim> swh, if you meant to query the queue, please say 'q?'; if you meant to replace the queue, please say 'queue= ...'

Zakim IRC Bot: swh, if you meant to query the queue, please say 'q?'; if you meant to replace the queue, please say 'queue= ...'

15:02:57 <sandro> queue=

Sandro Hawke: queue=

15:03:06 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P16 is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P16 is me

15:03:06 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it

15:03:08 <chimezie>  Zakim, passcode

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, passcode

15:03:08 <Zakim> I don't understand 'passcode', chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'passcode', chimezie

15:03:16 <cbuilara> q+

Carlos Buil Aranda: q+

15:03:16 <sandro> zakim, code?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, code?

15:03:17 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sandro

15:03:17 <swh> chimezie, 77277

Steve Harris: chimezie, 77277

15:03:18 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:03:18 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

15:03:19 <cbuilara> q-

Carlos Buil Aranda: q-

15:03:23 <Zakim> +pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon

15:03:40 <cbuilara> zakim, aaaaa is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, aaaaa is me

15:03:40 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaaa'

15:03:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:03:47 <AndyS1> zakim, IPcaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller is me

15:03:47 <Zakim> +AndyS1; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS1; got it

15:03:55 <Zakim> -??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P11

15:03:59 <chimezie> ty

Chimezie Ogbuji: ty

15:04:15 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

15:04:19 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P11 is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P11 is me

15:04:19 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it

15:04:26 <Zakim> + +1.216.368.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.368.aacc

15:04:31 <sandro> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0402
15:04:33 <sandro> chair: Sandro
15:04:35 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.368.aacc is me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, +1.216.368.aacc is me

15:04:36 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: SPARQL WG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0402.html

Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: SPARQL WG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0402.html

15:04:36 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +chimezie; got it

15:04:41 <Zakim> + +1.617.324.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.324.aadd

15:04:43 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

15:04:43 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted

15:04:54 <kasei> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Scribe_List

Gregory Williams: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Scribe_List

15:04:59 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

15:04:59 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

15:05:52 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:05:52 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

15:05:57 <AndyS1> zakim, who is on the phone?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:05:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see sandro, kasei, MattPerry, swh, ??P17, bglimm (muted), pgearon, AndyS1, cbuilara, chimezie (muted), +1.617.324.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see sandro, kasei, MattPerry, swh, ??P17, bglimm (muted), pgearon, AndyS1, cbuilara, chimezie (muted), +1.617.324.aadd

15:06:00 <sandro> NickH, ?

Sandro Hawke: NickH, ?

15:06:38 <sandro> zakim, aadd is Eric

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aadd is Eric

15:06:38 <Zakim> +Eric; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Eric; got it

15:06:59 <Olivier> Olivier also on the phone

Olivier Corby: Olivier also on the phone

15:07:28 <sandro> zakim, ?P17 is Olivier

Sandro Hawke: zakim, ?P17 is Olivier

15:07:28 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named '?P17'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named '?P17'

15:07:31 <sandro> zakim, P17 is Olivier

Sandro Hawke: zakim, P17 is Olivier

15:07:31 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'P17'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'P17'

15:07:34 <sandro> zakim, ??P17 is Olivier

Sandro Hawke: zakim, ??P17 is Olivier

15:07:34 <Zakim> +Olivier; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Olivier; got it

15:07:43 <sandro> zakim, pick a scribe

Sandro Hawke: zakim, pick a scribe

15:07:43 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose cbuilara

15:08:00 <cbuilara> ok

Carlos Buil Aranda: ok

15:08:04 <cbuilara> yep

Carlos Buil Aranda: yep

15:08:09 <sandro> scibe: cbuilara

Scribe problem: the name 'scibe' does not match any of the 67 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alberto Labarga Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Carlos Buil Aranda Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Charboneau David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Iker Huerga Ivan Mikhailov Jacek Kopecký Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Lee Feigenbaum Matthew Perry Michael Smith Michele Minno Nicholas Humfrey Nico Michaelis Nophadol Jekjantuk Olivier Corby Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sandro Hawke Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Timo Westkämper Tommi Koivula Umberto Straccia Yoshio Fukushige Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown scibe: cbuilara [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:08:14 <sandro> scribe: cbuilara

(Scribe set to Carlos Buil Aranda)

15:08:35 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall

15:08:49 <cbuilara> Sandro: Agenda, to approve LC documents, post last call

Sandro Hawke: Agenda, to approve LC documents, post last call

15:09:05 <cbuilara> Sandro: any other issue?

Sandro Hawke: any other issue?

15:09:38 <bglimm> Minutes

Birte Glimm: Minutes

15:09:39 <AndyS1> We aren't repub JSON results in this cycle, are we?

Andy Seaborne: We aren't repub JSON results in this cycle, are we?

15:09:39 <bglimm> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-13

Birte Glimm: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-13

15:10:01 <cbuilara> Sandro: do we have a meeting next week?

Sandro Hawke: do we have a meeting next week?

15:10:06 <sandro> PROPOSED: skip Dec 27th meeting, next mtg Jan 3rd

PROPOSED: skip Dec 27th meeting, next mtg Jan 3rd

15:10:16 <cbuilara> Sandro: any objections to that?

Sandro Hawke: any objections to that?

15:10:18 <pgearon> seconded

Paula Gearon: seconded

15:10:18 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

15:10:21 <cbuilara> +1

+1

15:10:22 <chimezie> i can hear u

Chimezie Ogbuji: i can hear u

15:10:24 <sandro> RESOLVED: skip Dec 27th meeting, next mtg Jan 3rd

RESOLVED: skip Dec 27th meeting, next mtg Jan 3rd

15:10:35 <sandro> topic: Query

1. Query

15:11:01 <bglimm> I reviewed it and I am ok with publishing Query

Birte Glimm: I reviewed it and I am ok with publishing Query

15:11:06 <cbuilara> Sandro: any comments or concerns?

Sandro Hawke: any comments or concerns?

15:11:09 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

15:11:09 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

15:11:29 <cbuilara> Andy: LC page got reduced

Andy Seaborne: LC page got reduced

15:11:48 <cbuilara> Greg: I did not get really into the aggregate

Gregory Williams: I did not get really into the aggregate

15:12:01 <cbuilara> Greg: but based on the dicussions last week, I'm happy with it

Gregory Williams: but based on the discussions last week, I'm happy with it

15:12:13 <cbuilara> s/dicussions/discussions
15:12:45 <bglimm> I think my action ACTION-547 can be closed: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/547

Birte Glimm: I think my action ACTION-547 can be closed: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/547

15:12:47 <AndyS1> See also http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall2 (:-|)

Andy Seaborne: See also http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall2 (:-|)

15:13:58 <kasei> q+

Gregory Williams: q+

15:13:59 <cbuilara> Andy: we have to decide last call period

Andy Seaborne: we have to decide last call period

15:14:32 <sandro> ack kasei

Sandro Hawke: ack kasei

15:14:40 <cbuilara> Greg: adding all the fnction URIs, can we do it after last call?

Gregory Williams: adding all the fnction URIs, can we do it after last call?

15:14:46 <cbuilara> Andy1: we can do it

Andy Seaborne: we can do it

15:14:55 <sandro> andy: we can do the namespace document later

Andy Seaborne: we can do the namespace document later [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:15:07 <cbuilara> s/Andy1/AndyS1
15:15:29 <cbuilara> AndyS1: it is something editorial

Andy Seaborne: it is something editorial

15:15:37 <sandro> sandro: so we might change the namespace URI itself

Sandro Hawke: so we might change the namespace URI itself [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:15:40 <sandro> AndyS: yes

Andy Seaborne: yes [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:16:24 <kasei> http://www.w3.org/ns/sparql#

Gregory Williams: http://www.w3.org/ns/sparql#

15:17:54 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml

15:18:01 <sandro> says "sfn:http://www.w3.org/ns/sparql# @@(process) Ensure page populated (see

Sandro Hawke: says "sfn:http://www.w3.org/ns/sparql# @@(process) Ensure page populated (see

15:18:01 <sandro>       this list)."

Sandro Hawke: this list)."

15:18:15 <cbuilara> sandro: Looks ok to me

Sandro Hawke: Looks ok to me

15:18:20 <cbuilara> sandro: any other issues?

Sandro Hawke: any other issues?

15:18:30 <sandro> PROPOSED: Publish 'Query' as Last Call

PROPOSED: Publish 'Query' as Last Call

15:18:38 <sandro> +1 (W3C)

Sandro Hawke: +1 (W3C)

15:18:46 <kasei> +1 (RPI)

Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI)

15:18:47 <cbuilara> sandro: please vote with our organization

Sandro Hawke: please vote with our organization

15:18:47 <swh> +1 (Garlik)

Steve Harris: +1 (Garlik)

15:18:48 <AndyS1> +1 (ASF)

Andy Seaborne: +1 (ASF)

15:18:49 <pgearon> +1 Revelytix

Paula Gearon: +1 Revelytix

15:18:50 <bglimm> +1 (Uni Ulm)

Birte Glimm: +1 (Uni Ulm)

15:18:50 <Olivier> +1 INRIA

Olivier Corby: +1 INRIA

15:18:51 <MattPerry> +1 (Oracle)

Matthew Perry: +1 (Oracle)

15:18:53 <cbuilara> +1 (UPM)

+1 (UPM)

15:18:54 <chimezie> +1 (IE)

Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 (IE)

15:19:09 <ericP> +1 (W3C) (redundant against 2011-12-20T15:18:38Z <sandro> +1 (W3C))

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 (W3C) (redundant against 2011-12-20T15:18:38Z <sandro> +1 (W3C))

15:19:18 <sandro> RESOLVED: Publish 'Query' as Last Call

RESOLVED: Publish 'Query' as Last Call

15:19:36 <sandro> topic: Entailment

2. Entailment

15:19:38 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Entailment

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Entailment

15:20:00 <cbuilara> sandro: Birte, there is an action on that

Sandro Hawke: Birte, there is an action on that

15:20:22 <cbuilara> bglimm: I'm working on the document right now, I replied agreen changes

Birte Glimm: I'm working on the document right now, I replied agreen changes

15:20:29 <sandro> birte: Axel and Markus reviews, satisfied

Birte Glimm: Axel and Markus reviews, satisfied [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:20:32 <cbuilara> sandro: any concerns

Sandro Hawke: any concerns

15:20:53 <sandro> PROPOSED: Publish 'Entailment Regimes' as Last Call

PROPOSED: Publish 'Entailment Regimes' as Last Call

15:20:59 <sandro> +1 W3C

Sandro Hawke: +1 W3C

15:21:05 <AndyS1> +1 (ASF)

Andy Seaborne: +1 (ASF)

15:21:05 <pgearon> +1 Revelytix

Paula Gearon: +1 Revelytix

15:21:06 <kasei> +1 (RPI)

Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI)

15:21:08 <cbuilara> +1 (UPM)

+1 (UPM)

15:21:09 <bglimm> +1 (Uni Ulm)

Birte Glimm: +1 (Uni Ulm)

15:21:10 <MattPerry> +1 (Oracle)

Matthew Perry: +1 (Oracle)

15:21:13 <chimezie> +1 (IE)

Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 (IE)

15:21:15 <Olivier> +1 INRIA

Olivier Corby: +1 INRIA

15:21:34 <sandro> RESOLVED: Publish 'Entailment Regimes' as Last Call

RESOLVED: Publish 'Entailment Regimes' as Last Call

15:21:46 <sandro> topic: Update

3. Update

15:22:11 <pgearon> hang on...

Paula Gearon: hang on...

15:22:54 <cbuilara> pgearon: made couple of editorial changes

Paula Gearon: made couple of editorial changes

15:23:21 <cbuilara> pgearon: document ready to go

Paula Gearon: document ready to go

15:24:02 <cbuilara> sandro: Paul, do you want anybody to go over the changes?

Sandro Hawke: Paul, do you want anybody to go over the changes?

15:24:21 <swh> Zakim, who's speaking?

Steve Harris: Zakim, who's speaking?

15:24:32 <Zakim> swh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgearon (35%), sandro (54%), swh (20%)

Zakim IRC Bot: swh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgearon (35%), sandro (54%), swh (20%)

15:24:44 <swh> Zakim, mute me

Steve Harris: Zakim, mute me

15:24:44 <Zakim> swh should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: swh should now be muted

15:24:49 <cbuilara> sandro: anybody have an opinion on Paul's email?

Sandro Hawke: anybody have an opinion on Paul's email?

15:24:55 <kasei> I was happy with the DB-5 response.

Gregory Williams: I was happy with the DB-5 response.

15:24:59 <swh> me too

Steve Harris: me too

15:25:01 <AndyS1> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:25:01 <cbuilara> sandro: is somebody willing to look over?

Sandro Hawke: is somebody willing to look over?

15:25:07 <sandro> ack AndyS

Sandro Hawke: ack AndyS

15:25:21 <cbuilara> AndyS: there is a comment from David Wood

Andy Seaborne: there is a comment from David Wood

15:25:56 <cbuilara> pgearon: not related to SPARQL update

Paula Gearon: not related to SPARQL update

15:26:56 <AndyS1> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments#Post_Last_Call_Comments

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments#Post_Last_Call_Comments

15:27:33 <cbuilara> sandro: which comment from David Wood?

Sandro Hawke: which comment from David Wood?

15:27:59 <AndyS1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Dec/0015.html

Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Dec/0015.html

15:28:03 <AndyS1> DW-1

Andy Seaborne: DW-1

15:28:10 <cbuilara> bglimm:I have one comment, I drafted another response for David Zimmerman

Birte Glimm: I have one comment, I drafted another response for David Zimmerman

15:28:21 <cbuilara> bglimm: please, look at it

Birte Glimm: please, look at it

15:28:25 <bglimm> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:AZ-1-2

Birte Glimm: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:AZ-1-2

15:29:07 <AndyS1> Response looks good to me.

Andy Seaborne: Response looks good to me.

15:29:51 <kasei> looks fine

Gregory Williams: looks fine

15:31:31 <swh> yes, have read it

Steve Harris: yes, have read it

15:31:38 <sandro> sandro: Steve, Greg, have you looked at DB-5 and the changes it describes?

Sandro Hawke: Steve, Greg, have you looked at DB-5 and the changes it describes? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:31:55 <swh> I also didn't follow up w.r.t. the document

Steve Harris: I also didn't follow up w.r.t. the document

15:31:59 <cbuilara> kasei: I'm happy with it

Gregory Williams: I'm happy with it

15:32:13 <cbuilara> sandro: any other concern about update?

Sandro Hawke: any other concern about update?

15:32:18 <sandro> PROPOSED: Publish 'Update' as Last Call

PROPOSED: Publish 'Update' as Last Call

15:32:22 <sandro> +1 W3C

Sandro Hawke: +1 W3C

15:32:26 <cbuilara> +1 UPM

+1 UPM

15:32:28 <Olivier> +1 INRIA

Olivier Corby: +1 INRIA

15:32:32 <MattPerry> +1 Oracle

Matthew Perry: +1 Oracle

15:32:33 <kasei> +1 (RPI)

Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI)

15:32:40 <swh> 0 (Garlik) [I've not read it in enough detail]

Steve Harris: 0 (Garlik) [we've not read it in enough detail]

15:32:47 <bglimm> I would like to abstain as I never found the time to properly read the document

Birte Glimm: I would like to abstain as I never found the time to properly read the document

15:32:50 <chimezie> 0 (IE)

Chimezie Ogbuji: 0 (IE)

15:33:04 <swh> s/I've/we've/
15:33:06 <sandro> bglimm, just to 0 for abstain

Sandro Hawke: bglimm, just to 0 for abstain

15:33:10 <bglimm> 0

Birte Glimm: 0

15:33:19 <bglimm> o (Uni Ulm)

Birte Glimm: o (Uni Ulm)

15:33:28 <bglimm> 0 (Uni Ulm)

Birte Glimm: 0 (Uni Ulm)

15:33:29 <pgearon> +1 Revelytix

Paula Gearon: +1 Revelytix

15:33:39 <AndyS1> +1 (ASF)

Andy Seaborne: +1 (ASF)

15:33:47 <sandro> RESOLVED: Publish 'Update' as Last Call

RESOLVED: Publish 'Update' as Last Call

15:34:45 <sandro> topic: Service Description

4. Service Description

15:35:43 <cbuilara> sandro: chimezie comments fixed

Sandro Hawke: chimezie comments fixed

15:36:05 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me

15:36:05 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should no longer be muted

15:36:10 <cbuilara> kasei: I did not get to pass them around again, I was hoping to hearing more follow up response

Gregory Williams: I did not get to pass them around again, I was hoping to hearing more follow up response

15:36:55 <kasei> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0311.html

Gregory Williams: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0311.html

15:38:11 <cbuilara> kasei: the only issue is the update subsets, which is the second point in that email thread, your comment on discovering service description

Gregory Williams: the only issue is the update subsets, which is the second point in that email thread, your comment on discovering service description

15:38:32 <cbuilara> kase: was the following point in that email, I couldn't make sense of that email

Gregory Williams: was the following point in that email, I couldn't make sense of that email

15:38:48 <cbuilara> s/kase/kasei
15:39:39 <cbuilara> chimezie: I do not have any other outstanding issues at the end of this thread, I'm fine with publishing as last call

Chimezie Ogbuji: I do not have any other outstanding issues at the end of this thread, I'm fine with publishing as last call

15:40:01 <cbuilara> kasei: issue on discovering text, purely an editorial thing

Gregory Williams: issue on discovering text, purely an editorial thing

15:40:11 <cbuilara> kasei: I think we are good to go

Gregory Williams: I think we are good to go

15:40:42 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:40:42 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

15:40:47 <sandro> chimezie: when you have one spec that has something illdefined, because it's not in line with another, ... is that a reason not to publish one...    That will come up.

Chimezie Ogbuji: when you have one spec that has something illdefined, because it's not in line with another, ... is that a reason not to publish one... That will come up. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:40:53 <cbuilara> chimezie: certain things in the editorial process that are not very clear, and shoudl be mentioned now

Chimezie Ogbuji: certain things in the editorial process that are not very clear, and shoudl be mentioned now

15:41:15 <cbuilara> chimezie. this issue will come out in the graph store protocol

chimezie. this issue will come out in the graph store protocol

15:41:19 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

15:41:19 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted

15:41:20 <sandro> PROPOSED: Publish 'Service Description' as Last Call

PROPOSED: Publish 'Service Description' as Last Call

15:41:22 <kasei> +1 (RPI)

Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI)

15:41:25 <AndyS1> +1 (ASF)

Andy Seaborne: +1 (ASF)

15:41:26 <sandro> +1 (W3C)

Sandro Hawke: +1 (W3C)

15:41:29 <Olivier> +1 INRIA

Olivier Corby: +1 INRIA

15:41:29 <cbuilara> +1 (UPM)

+1 (UPM)

15:41:33 <MattPerry> +1 (Oracle)

Matthew Perry: +1 (Oracle)

15:41:35 <pgearon> +1 Revelytix

Paula Gearon: +1 Revelytix

15:41:45 <swh> 0 (Garlik) [we've not read it in enough detail]

Steve Harris: 0 (Garlik) [we've not read it in enough detail]

15:41:59 <sandro> RESOLVED: Publish 'Service Description' as Last Call

RESOLVED: Publish 'Service Description' as Last Call

15:42:45 <cbuilara> kasei: only editorial changes for protocol

Gregory Williams: only editorial changes for protocol

15:43:04 <sandro> PROPOSED: Publish 'Protocol' as Last Call

PROPOSED: Publish 'Protocol' as Last Call

15:43:09 <kasei> +1 (RPI)

Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI)

15:43:11 <swh> +1 (Garlik)

Steve Harris: +1 (Garlik)

15:43:14 <AndyS1> +1 (ASF)

Andy Seaborne: +1 (ASF)

15:43:15 <sandro> +0 (W3C)     not quite sure the state here

Sandro Hawke: +0 (W3C) not quite sure the state here

15:43:21 <bglimm> +1 (Uni Ulm)

Birte Glimm: +1 (Uni Ulm)

15:43:21 <MattPerry> +1 (Oracle)

Matthew Perry: +1 (Oracle)

15:43:22 <pgearon> +1 Revelytix

Paula Gearon: +1 Revelytix

15:43:24 <cbuilara> +1 (UPM)

+1 (UPM)

15:43:36 <Olivier> 0 INRIA (have not studied the doc)

Olivier Corby: 0 INRIA (have not studied the doc)

15:43:37 <sandro> RESOLVED: Publish 'Protocol' as Last Call

RESOLVED: Publish 'Protocol' as Last Call

15:44:59 <sandro> andy: no need for LC2 for JSON.

Andy Seaborne: no need for LC2 for JSON. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:45:36 <cbuilara> sandro: publication date January 2nd

Sandro Hawke: publication date January 2nd

15:46:01 <cbuilara> sandro: any objection?

Sandro Hawke: any objection?

15:46:05 <AndyS1> fine

Andy Seaborne: fine

15:46:21 <cbuilara> sandro: how long should we do it?

Sandro Hawke: how long should we do it?

15:46:35 <cbuilara> AndyS: 4 weeks I think

Andy Seaborne: 4 weeks I think

15:46:52 <cbuilara> sandro: any objection?

Sandro Hawke: any objection?

15:47:12 <sandro> PROPOSED:  we'll publish as soon as practical after the moratiorium, and have a review period of 4 weeks

PROPOSED: we'll publish as soon as practical after the moratiorium, and have a review period of 4 weeks

15:47:19 <AndyS1> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

15:47:28 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:47:34 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

15:47:39 <sandro> RESOLVED:  we'll publish as soon as practical after the moratiorium, and have a review period of 4 weeks

RESOLVED: we'll publish as soon as practical after the moratiorium, and have a review period of 4 weeks

15:47:55 <cbuilara> sandro: graph store protocol

Sandro Hawke: graph store protocol

15:48:08 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me

15:48:08 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should no longer be muted

15:48:17 <sandro> topic: Graph Store HTTP Protocol

5. Graph Store HTTP Protocol

15:48:37 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0403.html

Sandro Hawke: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0403.html

15:49:12 <AndyS1> I am not that keen on skipping CR (it's a community/social thing) but will not formally object.

Andy Seaborne: I am not that keen on skipping CR (it's a community/social thing) but will not formally object.

15:49:25 <swh> +1 to AndyS1

Steve Harris: +1 to AndyS1

15:51:55 <sandro> Proposed: we'll include the text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0403.html in each LC draft

PROPOSED: we'll include the text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0403.html in each LC draft

15:52:00 <cbuilara> sandro: can we go ahead with this text?

Sandro Hawke: can we go ahead with this text?

15:52:04 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:52:13 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

15:52:24 <sandro> RESOLVED: we'll include the text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0403.html in each LC draft

RESOLVED: we'll include the text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0403.html in each LC draft

15:52:32 <sandro> topic: graph store htttp protocol

6. graph store htttp protocol

15:53:22 <cbuilara> sandro: I think we are far away of a LC status

Sandro Hawke: I think we are far away of a LC status

15:53:58 <cbuilara> sandro: the one thing I care is the SPARQL update should be accepted as a patch

Sandro Hawke: the one thing I care is the SPARQL update should be accepted as a patch

15:55:35 <cbuilara> sandro: mu argument is that we should require that everybody in this use case, if you are able to use graph protocol, you should implement SPARQL update

Sandro Hawke: mu argument is that we should require that everybody in this use case, if you are able to use graph protocol, you should implement SPARQL update

15:55:49 <ericP> q+ to say that i'd prefer text like "there is a subset of resources, which we will call POST2Update, which MUST follow this behavior..."

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to say that i'd prefer text like "there is a subset of resources, which we will call POST2Update, which MUST follow this behavior..."

15:55:58 <swh> agreed, I think very high cost is ok

Steve Harris: agreed, I think very high cost is ok

15:56:16 <sandro> andy: I think high cost of implementation is enough to ignore a SHOULD.

Andy Seaborne: I think high cost of implementation is enough to ignore a SHOULD. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:56:27 <ericP> q-

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q-

15:56:37 <AndyS1> I think high cost is sufficient not do a SHOULD.  Also, CAPS text not in a "informative"

Andy Seaborne: I think high cost is sufficient not do a SHOULD. Also, CAPS text not in a "informative"

15:56:44 <cbuilara> sandro: label section as informative

Sandro Hawke: label section as informative

15:56:45 <swh> SHOULD - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt

Steve Harris: SHOULD - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt

15:57:06 <Zakim> -AndyS1

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS1

15:57:44 <AndyS1> Thx zakim

Andy Seaborne: Thx zakim

15:57:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:58:06 <AndyS1> zakim, IPCaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me

15:58:06 <Zakim> +AndyS1; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS1; got it

15:58:18 <sandro> sandro: I don't understand how we can have "should" statements in a non-normative section.

Sandro Hawke: I don't understand how we can have "should" statements in a non-normative section. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:58:53 <cbuilara> kasei: the alternative is to say is that there is this behavior

Chimezie Ogbuji: the alternative is to say is that there is this behavior

15:59:07 <cbuilara> s/kasei/chimezie
15:59:17 <sandro> s/chimezie/eric
16:00:20 <cbuilara> sandro: take out the recommended word

Sandro Hawke: take out the recommended word

16:00:32 <sandro> sandro: I'm fine as long as this is really non-normative.

Sandro Hawke: I'm fine as long as this is really non-normative. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:01:04 <AndyS1> Have to go.  See you on email.

Andy Seaborne: Have to go. See you on email.

16:02:26 <Zakim> -AndyS1

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS1

16:02:34 <swh> I can stay for 10 mins

Steve Harris: I can stay for 10 mins

16:02:40 <bglimm> 5 min is ok

Birte Glimm: 5 min is ok

16:02:44 <pgearon> I can't stay

Paula Gearon: I can't stay

16:03:30 <kasei> q+ to say it's not just comments. I'm still not happy with the text about service descriptions.

Gregory Williams: q+ to say it's not just comments. I'm still not happy with the text about service descriptions.

16:03:33 <cbuilara> chimezie: there are more comments, wiki not up to date

Chimezie Ogbuji: there are more comments, wiki not up to date

16:03:47 <sandro> looking at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments re graphstore

Sandro Hawke: looking at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments re graphstore

16:03:54 <ericP> q+ to say that i suspect that we won't get a satisfactory closure in 5 mins and that the cost of delaying doesn't appear as high as the cost of premature publication

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to say that i suspect that we won't get a satisfactory closure in 5 mins and that the cost of delaying doesn't appear as high as the cost of premature publication

16:04:11 <ericP> cbuilara, i'll move to adjourn

Eric Prud'hommeaux: cbuilara, i'll move to adjourn

16:04:20 <sandro> chime: I think it's okay to publish next draft before closing loop with Arnaud

Chimezie Ogbuji: I think it's okay to publish next draft before closing loop with Arnaud [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:04:44 <Zakim> -cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara

16:05:14 <swh> +1 ro ericP

Steve Harris: +1 ro ericP

16:05:31 <sandro> kasei: There's also a lot of text about service description that I'm not happy with

Gregory Williams: There's also a lot of text about service description that I'm not happy with [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:05:45 <sandro> chimezie: we agreed on that in principle

Chimezie Ogbuji: we agreed on that in principle [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:06:01 <sandro> thank pgearon

Sandro Hawke: thank pgearon

16:06:08 <Zakim> -chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie

16:06:11 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

16:06:17 <bglimm> OK, I am off too

Birte Glimm: OK, I am off too

16:06:22 <swh> bye everyone

Steve Harris: bye everyone

16:06:24 <MattPerry> bye

Matthew Perry: bye

16:06:24 <bglimm> Merry Christmas to all of you

Birte Glimm: Merry Christmas to all of you

16:06:25 <Zakim> -swh

Zakim IRC Bot: -swh

16:06:25 <sandro> ADJOURNED

Sandro Hawke: ADJOURNED

16:06:25 <ericP> ADJOURNED

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ADJOURNED

16:06:26 <Zakim> -Olivier

Zakim IRC Bot: -Olivier

16:06:32 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

16:06:32 <sandro> great work everyone, happy holidays!

Sandro Hawke: great work everyone, happy holidays!

16:06:33 <Zakim> -MattPerry

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16:06:36 <Zakim> -bglimm

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