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SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 18 October 2011

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-10-18
Seen
Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Carlos Buil Aranda, Chimezie Ogbuji, Gregory Williams, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Nicholas Humfrey, Olivier Corby, Steve Harris
Regrets
Unknown Gearon, Alexandre Passant
Scribe
Andy Seaborne
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-10-04 link
  2. Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service as LC WD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-federated-query/ modulo moving the said sentence to the beginning of section. No Objections. link
  3. Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/Overview.xml as FPWD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-overview/ .no objections, no abstentions. link
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14:00:54 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

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14:01:10 <AndyS> trackbot, start meeting

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14:01:15 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:01:15 <trackbot> Date: 18 October 2011
14:01:21 <AndyS> rrsagent, make logs public

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14:02:23 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

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14:02:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara, kasei, Olivier, AndyS, bglimm (muted), MattPerry, +49.897.aaaa

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14:02:57 <AndyS> who is +49? Axel?

Andy Seaborne: who is +49? Axel?

14:03:09 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaaa is me

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14:03:28 <AndyS> zakim, go faster please

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14:03:28 <swh> Zakim, ??P1 is me

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14:03:48 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-10-18
14:03:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'go faster', AndyS

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14:03:58 <Zakim> +swh; got it

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14:04:01 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?

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14:04:06 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chimezie

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14:04:09 <AndyS> I can scribe until Sandro gets here

Andy Seaborne: I can scribe until Sandro gets here

14:04:19 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS

(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)

14:04:30 <AndyS> Topic: Summary

1. Summary

14:04:44 <AndyS> Axel: review schedule and (re)charter

Axel Polleres: review schedule and (re)charter

14:05:05 <AndyS> ... seeking opinions on how to proceed

... seeking opinions on how to proceed

14:05:11 <AndyS> Topic: admin

2. admin

14:05:11 <AndyS> Regrets: Paul Gearon, Alex Passant

Scribe problem: the name 'Paul Gearon' does not match any of the 64 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alberto Labarga Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Carlos Buil Aranda Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Charboneau David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Iker Huerga Ivan Mikhailov Jacek Kopecký Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Lee Feigenbaum Matthew Perry Michael Smith Michele Minno Nicholas Humfrey Nico Michaelis Nophadol Jekjantuk Olivier Corby Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sandro Hawke Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Timo Westkämper Tommi Koivula Umberto Straccia Yoshio Fukushige

14:05:19 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-10-04

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-10-04

14:05:28 <AndyS> Look good to me.

Look good to me.

14:05:42 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-10-04

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-10-04

14:06:01 <AndyS> Next telecon - ISWC overlap.

Next telecon - ISWC overlap.

14:06:15 <LeeF> I'm not at ISWC & am available next week

Lee Feigenbaum: I'm not at ISWC & am available next week

14:06:50 <MattPerry> I will be available

Matthew Perry: I will be available

14:06:53 <cbuilara> I will be available

Carlos Buil Aranda: I will be available

14:07:04 <bglimm> depends on internet availablility and schedule of ISWC

Birte Glimm: depends on internet availablility and schedule of ISWC

14:07:09 <AndyS> Axel: next meeting in one week

Axel Polleres: next meeting in one week

14:07:29 <AndyS> (someone pls scribe)

(someone pls scribe)

14:07:41 <AxelPolleres> topic: RDF Liaison

3. RDF Liaison

14:07:44 <Zakim> +Chimezie

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14:07:51 <AxelPolleres> andyS: f2f lastweek

Andy Seaborne: f2f lastweek [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:07:56 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

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14:07:56 <Zakim> Chimezie should now be muted

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14:08:26 <AxelPolleres> ... resolved plain literals issue, simple literals will be XSD strings, tagged literals will have a dedicated new datatype

Axel Polleres: ... resolved plain literals issue, simple literals will be XSD strings, tagged literals will have a dedicated new datatype

14:09:02 <AxelPolleres> ... discussion about named graphs. there is no desire to unify the different uses but more discussion ongoing.

Axel Polleres: ... discussion about named graphs. there is no desire to unify the different uses but more discussion ongoing.

14:09:34 <AxelPolleres> ... last item is about lists and sequences. whether to deprecate them or not.

Axel Polleres: ... last item is about lists and sequences. whether to deprecate them or not.

14:10:04 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum

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14:11:16 <AxelPolleres> ... concern about usage out there.

Axel Polleres: ... concern about usage out there.

14:13:02 <AxelPolleres> ... RDF plans to push this to (a future?) SPARQL WG.

Axel Polleres: ... RDF plans to push this to (a future?) SPARQL WG.

14:13:13 <AndyS> Topic:Publications

4. Publications

14:13:43 <AndyS> subtopic: Federated query

4.1. Federated query

14:13:56 <swh> lots of noise

Steve Harris: lots of noise

14:14:01 <swh> Zakim, who's speaking

Steve Harris: Zakim, who's speaking

14:14:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's speaking', swh

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14:14:05 <swh> Zakim, who's speaking?

Steve Harris: Zakim, who's speaking?

14:14:08 <chimezie> getting noise

Chimezie Ogbuji: getting noise

14:14:16 <Zakim> swh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: cbuilara (15%), AndyS (21%)

Zakim IRC Bot: swh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: cbuilara (15%), AndyS (21%)

14:14:50 <AndyS> Axel: status was changes in progress , Greg to review

Axel Polleres: status was changes in progress , Greg to review

14:14:53 <kasei> "Note that there are no evaluation semantics in the current document for the SPARQL pattern SERVICE VAR. Therefore, in the following table we present the intuitive solutions for this query with the data above:"

Gregory Williams: "Note that there are no evaluation semantics in the current document for the SPARQL pattern SERVICE VAR. Therefore, in the following table we present the intuitive solutions for this query with the data above:"

14:15:32 <AndyS> kasei: can accept what we have now (in the spirit of progressing publication)

Gregory Williams: can accept what we have now (in the spirit of progressing publication)

14:15:53 <kasei> q+

Gregory Williams: q+

14:15:57 <AndyS> Carlos: doc just suggests possible answers for SERVICE ?srv

Carlos Buil Aranda: doc just suggests possible answers for SERVICE ?srv

14:16:17 <AndyS> ... we do not give it normative semantics

... we do not give it normative semantics

14:16:50 <AndyS> kasei: suggest moving to beginning of section.

Gregory Williams: suggest moving to beginning of section.

14:17:04 <AndyS> ... otherwise current wording is acceptable

... otherwise current wording is acceptable

14:17:11 <AndyS> carlos: OK

Carlos Buil Aranda: OK

14:17:29 <AndyS> Axel: ready for LC?  or more reviews?

Axel Polleres: ready for LC? or more reviews?

14:18:01 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service as LC WD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-federated-query/

PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service as LC WD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-federated-query/

14:18:25 <AxelPolleres> ... modulo moving the said sentence to the beginning of section.

Axel Polleres: ... modulo moving the said sentence to the beginning of section.

14:18:50 <AndyS> +1 to pubilsh fed as LC

+1 to pubilsh fed as LC

14:18:58 <LeeF> If kasei is +1, then so am I

Lee Feigenbaum: If kasei is +1, then so am I

14:19:02 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

14:19:11 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

14:19:16 <LeeF> +1

Lee Feigenbaum: +1

14:19:18 <chimezie> +1

Chimezie Ogbuji: +1

14:19:19 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:19:19 <AndyS> +1 ASF

+1 ASF

14:19:19 <bglimm> 0 - Ulm (I haven't read the document)

Birte Glimm: 0 - Ulm (I haven't read the document)

14:19:19 <Olivier> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

14:19:21 <cbuilara> +1

Carlos Buil Aranda: +1

14:19:56 <AndyS> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service as LC WD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-federated-query/  modulo moving the said sentence to the beginning of section.  No Objections.

RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service as LC WD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-federated-query/ modulo moving the said sentence to the beginning of section. No Objections.

14:20:39 <AndyS> Axel: Carlos, please pub-smith the doc.

Axel Polleres: Carlos, please pub-smith the doc.

14:20:54 <AndyS> ... we may publish in a group

... we may publish in a group

14:21:01 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: carlos to check pubrules for fed query.

ACTION: carlos to check pubrules for fed query.

14:21:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-542 - Check pubrules for fed query. [on Carlos Buil Aranda - due 2011-10-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-542 - Check pubrules for fed query. [on Carlos Buil Aranda - due 2011-10-25].

14:21:02 <AndyS> ... of docs

... of docs

14:21:13 <AndyS> subtopic: overview doc

4.2. overview doc

14:21:20 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview

14:22:01 <AndyS> Axel: section ordering still "as is"

Axel Polleres: section ordering still "as is"

14:22:25 <AndyS> AndyS: No time to review this FPWD

Andy Seaborne: No time to review this FPWD

14:22:32 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/Overview.xml as FPWD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-overview/

PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/Overview.xml as FPWD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-overview/

14:22:50 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

14:22:51 <AndyS> +1 ASF

+1 ASF

14:22:52 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:22:55 <cbuilara> +1

Carlos Buil Aranda: +1

14:22:55 <Olivier> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

14:22:56 <bglimm> +1 Ulm

Birte Glimm: +1 Ulm

14:23:02 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

14:23:03 <chimezie> +1

Chimezie Ogbuji: +1

14:23:06 <LeeF> aye

Lee Feigenbaum: aye

14:23:32 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/Overview.xml as FPWD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-overview/ .no objections, no abstentions.

RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/Overview.xml as FPWD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-overview/ .no objections, no abstentions.

14:23:44 <AndyS> subtopic: Protocol doc

4.3. Protocol doc

14:24:49 <AndyS> LeeF: Not quite ready yet.  Some progress (kasei, LeeF)

Lee Feigenbaum: Not quite ready yet. Some progress (kasei, LeeF)

14:25:06 <AndyS> Axel: Timescale? Assign reviewers next week?

Axel Polleres: Timescale? Assign reviewers next week?

14:25:25 <AndyS> LeeF: can try, can't guarantee

Lee Feigenbaum: can try, can't guarantee

14:25:36 <Zakim> +??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10

14:25:46 <Zakim> -cbuilara

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14:25:46 <NickH> Zakim, ??P10 is me

Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P10 is me

14:25:48 <Zakim> +NickH; got it

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14:26:05 <AndyS> topic: Post LC

5. Post LC

14:26:06 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall

14:26:10 <NickH> Zakim, mute me

Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, mute me

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14:26:26 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

14:26:30 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P11 is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P11 is me

14:26:30 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it

14:26:39 <AndyS> subtopic: Query

5.1. Query

14:28:09 <AxelPolleres> andy: these are things that need to be done... http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Query

Andy Seaborne: these are things that need to be done... http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Query [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:28:18 <AxelPolleres> main things are BIND and function changes.

Axel Polleres: main things are BIND and function changes.

14:28:49 <AxelPolleres> ... also the big red boxes.

Axel Polleres: ... also the big red boxes.

14:28:55 <AxelPolleres> ... needs 2nd last call

Axel Polleres: ... needs 2nd last call

14:29:26 <AxelPolleres> axel: timeframe to 2nd LC?

Axel Polleres: timeframe to 2nd LC? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:30:14 <AxelPolleres> ... aim at publication end of Nov?

Axel Polleres: ... aim at publication end of Nov?

14:31:05 <AxelPolleres> steve: plan to get any of my changes done by end of this month

Steve Harris: plan to get any of my changes done by end of this month [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:31:17 <AxelPolleres> andy: won't have time before Nov.

Andy Seaborne: won't have time before Nov. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:31:37 <AxelPolleres> andy: main thing is clearing the comments list.

Andy Seaborne: main thing is clearing the comments list. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:33:59 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

14:35:43 <LeeF> I'll take care of the rest of that one

Lee Feigenbaum: I'll take care of the rest of that one

14:35:51 <LeeF> from Andy

Lee Feigenbaum: from Andy

14:35:55 <LeeF> yes, I"m now the owner

Lee Feigenbaum: yes, I"m now the owner

14:37:05 <AndyS> reuse of prefixes (DB-9)

reuse of prefixes (DB-9)

14:37:13 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Sep/0004.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Sep/0004.html

14:38:09 <AndyS> Axel: What about Turtle?

Axel Polleres: What about Turtle?

14:38:22 <AndyS> AndyS: Turtle does not allow this.

Andy Seaborne: Turtle does not allow this.

14:39:09 <AndyS> ... it is now late in our process

... it is now late in our process

14:39:20 <AndyS> Axel: Will draft response to DB

Axel Polleres: Will draft response to DB

14:39:52 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to draft an answer to DB-9, stating that it is too late in the process for this change.

ACTION: Axel to draft an answer to DB-9, stating that it is too late in the process for this change.

14:39:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-543 - Draft an answer to DB-9, stating that it is too late in the process for this change. [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-10-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-543 - Draft an answer to DB-9, stating that it is too late in the process for this change. [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-10-25].

14:40:25 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Sep/0000.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Sep/0000.html

14:40:34 <AxelPolleres> steve: think I drafted a response.

Steve Harris: think I drafted a response. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:41:32 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

14:41:32 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

14:42:06 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:42:06 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

14:42:06 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

14:42:15 <kasei> q-

Gregory Williams: q-

14:42:20 <AndyS> subtopic: Update

5.2. Update

14:42:58 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Update

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Update

14:44:15 <AndyS> DB-12

DB-12

14:44:18 <AxelPolleres> DB-12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Sep/0008.html

Axel Polleres: DB-12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Sep/0008.html

14:44:49 <AxelPolleres> [[ If a graph is created implicitly by an update operation, then the behavior of the Graph Store MUST be functionally equivalent to its behavior if the graph had been created explicitly by a CREATE operation. ]]

Axel Polleres: [[ If a graph is created implicitly by an update operation, then the behavior of the Graph Store MUST be functionally equivalent to its behavior if the graph had been created explicitly by a CREATE operation. ]]

14:44:50 <AndyS> Axel: David thinks we should add text about "CREATE GRAPH"

Axel Polleres: David thinks we should add text about "CREATE GRAPH"

14:45:46 <AndyS> ... problem is that doc says a graph store may remove empty graphs

... problem is that doc says a graph store may remove empty graphs

14:46:05 <AndyS> ... but not that it always does or does not

... but not that it always does or does not

14:46:16 <AndyS> ... so some may be dropped, and some may

... so some may be dropped, and some may

14:46:19 <AndyS> q+

q+

14:47:48 <AndyS> q-

q-

14:48:11 <AndyS> AndyS: I think doc covers this via the formal semantics.

Andy Seaborne: I think doc covers this via the formal semantics.

14:49:37 <AndyS> Axel: What should we proscribe?

Axel Polleres: What should we proscribe?

14:50:02 <AndyS> ... make a distinction between graph and non-graph aware graph stores?

... make a distinction between graph and non-graph aware graph stores?

14:51:44 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/#def_clearOperation

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/#def_clearOperation

14:54:12 <chimezie> does that effect operations involving data?

Chimezie Ogbuji: does that effect operations involving data?

14:55:42 <AndyS> Axel: What should I as editor do?

Axel Polleres: What should I as editor do?

14:55:56 <chimezie> Zakim unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim unmute me

14:56:44 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

14:56:44 <Zakim> Chimezie was already muted, chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie was already muted, chimezie

14:57:01 <AxelPolleres> Axel: will try to draft another response along the lines that yes in this case, that's a bug, but, since the spec doesn't prescribe when graphs are removed and when not, the suggested text wouldn't change anything.

Axel Polleres: will try to draft another response along the lines that yes in this case, that's a bug, but, since the spec doesn't prescribe when graphs are removed and when not, the suggested text wouldn't change anything. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:57:21 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

14:57:21 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

14:58:24 <AndyS> bglimm: outstanding comment  (only one reply)

Birte Glimm: outstanding comment (only one reply)

14:58:34 <AxelPolleres> please reply/discuss by next time the open comment Birte is dealing with on D-entailment...

Axel Polleres: please reply/discuss by next time the open comment Birte is dealing with on D-entailment...

14:58:52 <bglimm> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0033.html

Birte Glimm: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0033.html

14:59:47 <Zakim> -Chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie

14:59:49 <AndyS> trackbot, end meeting

trackbot, end meeting

14:59:49 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

14:59:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been kasei, cbuilara, Olivier, bglimm, AndyS, MattPerry, +49.897.aaaa, AxelPolleres, swh, Chimezie, Lee_Feigenbaum, NickH

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been kasei, cbuilara, Olivier, bglimm, AndyS, MattPerry, +49.897.aaaa, AxelPolleres, swh, Chimezie, Lee_Feigenbaum, NickH

14:59:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

14:59:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-sparql-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-sparql-minutes.html trackbot

14:59:51 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

14:59:51 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-sparql-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-sparql-actions.rdf :

14:59:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: carlos to check pubrules for fed query. [1]

ACTION: carlos to check pubrules for fed query. [1]

14:59:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-sparql-irc#T14-21-01

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-sparql-irc#T14-21-01

14:59:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Axel to draft an answer to DB-9, stating that it is too late in the process for this change. [2]

ACTION: Axel to draft an answer to DB-9, stating that it is too late in the process for this change. [2]

14:59:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-sparql-irc#T14-39-52

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-sparql-irc#T14-39-52

14:59:52 <Zakim> -swh

Zakim IRC Bot: -swh

14:59:52 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

14:59:52 <Zakim> -cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara

14:59:53 <AxelPolleres> adjourned

Axel Polleres: adjourned

14:59:54 <Zakim> -NickH

Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH

14:59:55 <Zakim> -Olivier

Zakim IRC Bot: -Olivier



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