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14:59:25 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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14:59:25 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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14:59:26 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:59:26 <trackbot> Date: 08 February 2011
14:59:33 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this will be SPARQL ←
14:59:33 <Zakim> ok, LeeF, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started
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14:59:35 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:59:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P4, +1.603.897.aaaa
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14:59:44 <AndyS> zakim, ??P4 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P4 is me ←
14:59:44 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:59:52 <MattPerry> zakim, aaaa is me
Matthew Perry: zakim, aaaa is me ←
14:59:52 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
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14:59:54 <Zakim> + +1.310.729.aabb
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15:00:00 <Zakim> + +44.186.528.aacc
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15:00:01 <kasei> Zakim, aabb is me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, aabb is me ←
15:00:04 <Zakim> +kasei; got it
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15:00:06 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum
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15:00:11 <bglimm> Zakim, +44.186.528.aacc is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, +44.186.528.aacc is me ←
15:00:14 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
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15:00:29 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:00:29 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
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15:00:39 <Zakim> + +44.208.439.aadd
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15:00:48 <SteveH_> Zakim, aadd is [Garlik]
Steve Harris: Zakim, aadd is [Garlik] ←
15:00:48 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it
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15:00:48 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
15:00:53 <LeeF> Scribenick: MattPerry
(Scribe set to Matthew Perry)
15:00:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:00:55 <SteveH_> Zakim, [Garlik] is temporarily me
Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] is temporarily me ←
15:00:55 <Zakim> +SteveH_; got it
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15:01:04 <cbuilara> zakim, IPcaller is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
15:01:04 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it ←
15:01:30 <Zakim> +pgearon
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15:02:10 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
15:02:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, MattPerry, kasei, bglimm (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, SteveH_, cbuilara, pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, MattPerry, kasei, bglimm (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, SteveH_, cbuilara, pgearon ←
15:02:23 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-02-08
15:02:34 <LeeF> Regrets: Chimezie, Axel, Olivier
15:03:14 <Zakim> +??P22
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15:03:32 <NickH> zakim, ??P22 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, ??P22 is me ←
15:03:32 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
15:03:43 <LeeF> topic: Admin
15:03:49 <Zakim> + +3539149aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aaee ←
15:03:52 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-01-25
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-01-25 ←
15:03:52 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-02-01
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-02-01 ←
15:03:54 <AlexPassant> Zakim, +3539149aaee is me
Alexandre Passant: Zakim, +3539149aaee is me ←
15:03:55 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
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15:04:55 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-01-25
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-01-25 ←
15:05:01 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-02-01
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-02-01 ←
15:05:14 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2011-02-15 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: SteveH)
Lee Feigenbaum: Next regular meeting: 2011-02-15 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: SteveH) ←
15:05:53 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
15:05:56 <MattPerry> Topic: comments
15:06:22 <MattPerry> LeeF: mainly administrative tasks today
Lee Feigenbaum: mainly administrative tasks today ←
15:07:29 <MattPerry> LeeF: Chime and Lee to work with on dataset protocol comments
Lee Feigenbaum: Chime and Lee to work with on dataset protocol comments ←
15:07:50 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:08:01 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:08:06 <LeeF> ack kasei
Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei ←
15:08:06 <MattPerry> LeeF: does anyone not want to proceede with dataset protocol specification?
Lee Feigenbaum: does anyone not want to proceede with dataset protocol specification? ←
15:08:25 <AndyS> I think we *should* proceed with that doc.
Andy Seaborne: I think we *should* proceed with that doc. ←
15:08:55 <MattPerry> kasei: I'm not opposed to publishing it, but there are some complexity issues
Gregory Williams: I'm not opposed to publishing it, but there are some complexity issues ←
15:09:17 <MattPerry> LeeF: reviewers are Andy, Steve and Nick
Lee Feigenbaum: reviewers are Andy, Steve and Nick ←
15:09:48 <NickH> I am going to get my comments to the list today
Nicholas Humfrey: I am going to get my comments to the list today ←
15:09:50 <MattPerry> LeeF: more targeted comments are helpful
Lee Feigenbaum: more targeted comments are helpful ←
15:10:22 <NickH> I support the publishing of the SPARQL 1.1 RDF Dataset HTTP Protocol
Nicholas Humfrey: I support the publishing of the SPARQL 1.1 RDF Dataset HTTP Protocol ←
15:11:08 <MattPerry> LeeF: Jeen Brokestra posted feedback on implementing SPARQL 1.1
Lee Feigenbaum: Jeen Brokestra posted feedback on implementing SPARQL 1.1 ←
15:11:09 <kasei> Jeen's email did reach the comments list
Gregory Williams: Jeen's email did reach the comments list ←
15:11:28 <Zakim> -pgearon
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15:12:05 <Zakim> +pgearon
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15:12:12 <MattPerry> LeeF: Andy, Steve looked at post?
Lee Feigenbaum: Andy, Steve looked at post? ←
15:12:32 <MattPerry> AndyS: did look at it briefly ... comments are pretty high level
Andy Seaborne: did look at it briefly ... comments are pretty high level ←
15:12:50 <MattPerry> AndyS: may want to ask for more specific comments
Andy Seaborne: may want to ask for more specific comments ←
15:12:59 <kasei> I think giving Jeen a concrete example of where MINUS and NOT EXISTS give different answers would help.
Gregory Williams: I think giving Jeen a concrete example of where MINUS and NOT EXISTS give different answers would help. ←
15:13:16 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Feb/0004.html
Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Feb/0004.html ←
15:13:23 <MattPerry> SteveH: I look more closely at the aggregates comments
Steve Harris: I look more closely at the aggregates comments ←
15:14:02 <MattPerry> SteveH: I [will] look more closely
Steve Harris: I [will] look more closely ←
15:14:17 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jan/0029.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jan/0029.html ←
15:14:36 <MattPerry> LeeF: has Greg been able to look at this comment
Lee Feigenbaum: has Greg been able to look at this comment ←
15:15:03 <MattPerry> kasei: did look at it will depend on interaction between dataset protocol and service description
Gregory Williams: did look at it will depend on interaction between dataset protocol and service description ←
15:16:04 <AndyS> Jeen has already commented on MINUS in JB-2 That part is a dup and Axel is down to reply.
Andy Seaborne: Jeen has already commented on MINUS in JB-2 That part is a dup and Axel is down to reply. ←
15:16:41 <MattPerry> LeeF: that's all the unassigned comments
Lee Feigenbaum: that's all the unassigned comments ←
15:16:57 <MattPerry> LeeF: we have a few comments that have been recently addressed
Lee Feigenbaum: we have a few comments that have been recently addressed ←
15:17:03 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:17:29 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
15:18:10 <MattPerry> AndyS: Jeen has comments already that cover most of his post
Andy Seaborne: Jeen has comments already that cover most of his post ←
15:18:31 <MattPerry> AndyS: Axel has the Minus comment
Andy Seaborne: Axel has the Minus comment ←
15:18:49 <LeeF> topic: To Last Call
15:19:06 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call ←
15:19:30 <MattPerry> LeeF: Query has had some progress
Lee Feigenbaum: Query has had some progress ←
15:19:54 <kasei> I'm editing to add new blocking issue on SD around the sd:url discussion.
Gregory Williams: I'm editing to add new blocking issue on SD around the sd:url discussion. ←
15:20:09 <MattPerry> AndyS: need some text in each document that points to the overview document or the list of documents
Andy Seaborne: need some text in each document that points to the overview document or the list of documents ←
15:21:02 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Namespaces
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Namespaces ←
15:21:27 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/ns/sparql#
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/ns/sparql# ←
15:21:30 <MattPerry> LeeF: Greg put this page together that lists new URIs defined ... these need to go into the namespaces document
Lee Feigenbaum: Greg put this page together that lists new URIs defined ... these need to go into the namespaces document ←
15:21:57 <MattPerry> LeeF: Sandro can you do it?
Lee Feigenbaum: Sandro can you do it? ←
15:22:02 <MattPerry> Sandro: Yes I can
Sandro Hawke: Yes I can ←
15:22:22 <LeeF> ACTION: Sandro to update sparql namespace document with URIs for existing & new functions and aggregates as per http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Namespaces
ACTION: Sandro to update sparql namespace document with URIs for existing & new functions and aggregates as per http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Namespaces ←
15:22:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-389 - Update sparql namespace document with URIs for existing & new functions and aggregates as per http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Namespaces [on Sandro Hawke - due 2011-02-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-389 - Update sparql namespace document with URIs for existing & new functions and aggregates as per http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Namespaces [on Sandro Hawke - due 2011-02-15]. ←
15:23:01 <MattPerry> LeeF: there are still some minor editorial work in query
Lee Feigenbaum: there are still some minor editorial work in query ←
15:23:12 <MattPerry> AndyS: Property Path issues still need to be sorted out
Andy Seaborne: Property Path issues still need to be sorted out ←
15:23:37 <MattPerry> AndyS: I will propose a change to reflect Matt's comment on node marking vs edge marking
Andy Seaborne: I will propose a change to reflect Matt's comment on node marking vs edge marking ←
15:23:57 <MattPerry> AndyS: has to do with test results
Andy Seaborne: has to do with test results ←
15:24:19 <MattPerry> LeeF: do we need a working group decision
Lee Feigenbaum: do we need a working group decision ←
15:24:23 <MattPerry> AndyS: probably
Andy Seaborne: probably ←
15:24:46 <MattPerry> AndyS: could start reviewing the stable parts of the doc now
Andy Seaborne: could start reviewing the stable parts of the doc now ←
15:25:15 <MattPerry> SteveH: Andy is right ... the doc is very large ... what sections?
Steve Harris: Andy is right ... the doc is very large ... what sections? ←
15:25:40 <MattPerry> AndyS: Section in formal algebra is only one affected by Property Paths issue
Andy Seaborne: Section in formal algebra is only one affected by Property Paths issue ←
15:25:59 <MattPerry> LeeF: can we enumerate the parts to be avoided?
Lee Feigenbaum: can we enumerate the parts to be avoided? ←
15:26:16 <MattPerry> AndyS: review every section except 18
Andy Seaborne: review every section except 18 ←
15:26:53 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:26:54 <MattPerry> SteveH: will change non-alebra part of aggregates
Steve Harris: will change non-algebra part of aggregates ←
15:27:14 <MattPerry> LeeF: This is section 11
Lee Feigenbaum: This is section 11 ←
15:27:18 <Zakim> +??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←
15:27:24 <MattPerry> s/alebra/algebra
15:27:30 <AndyS> zakim, ??P1 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P1 is me ←
15:27:30 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:27:34 <AndyS> ArbitraryLengthPath and ZeroLengthPath are areas of possible change
Andy Seaborne: ArbitraryLengthPath and ZeroLengthPath are areas of possible change ←
15:27:44 <AndyS> (defn and eval)
Andy Seaborne: (defn and eval) ←
15:27:52 <MattPerry> LeeF: will leave it up to reviewers to decide if they want to review it now
Lee Feigenbaum: will leave it up to reviewers to decide if they want to review it now ←
15:28:24 <MattPerry> LeeF: see one editorial change in Update and some comments around formal model
Lee Feigenbaum: see one editorial change in Update and some comments around formal model ←
15:28:25 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the call?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the call? ←
15:28:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see MattPerry, kasei, bglimm (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, SteveH_, cbuilara, NickH, AlexPassant, Sandro, pgearon, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see MattPerry, kasei, bglimm (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, SteveH_, cbuilara, NickH, AlexPassant, Sandro, pgearon, AndyS ←
15:29:04 <MattPerry> LeeF: what is the status of the formal model?
Lee Feigenbaum: what is the status of the formal model? ←
15:29:18 <MattPerry> AlexPassant: We are fixing the model now based on comments
Alexandre Passant: We are fixing the model now based on comments ←
15:29:44 <MattPerry> AlexPassant: Hoping to have a draft by the end of the week
Alexandre Passant: Hoping to have a draft by the end of the week ←
15:30:33 <MattPerry> LeeF: will sequence of operations bit be in the draft?
Lee Feigenbaum: will sequence of operations bit be in the draft? ←
15:30:34 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0353.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0353.html ←
15:30:38 <MattPerry> AlexPassant: yes
Alexandre Passant: yes ←
15:31:10 <MattPerry> LeeF: Progress on Protocol?
Lee Feigenbaum: Progress on Protocol? ←
15:31:47 <MattPerry> LeeF: Service Description is basically finished
Lee Feigenbaum: Service Description is basically finished ←
15:32:14 <MattPerry> LeeF: any issues in Service Description that need working group time?
Lee Feigenbaum: any issues in Service Description that need working group time? ←
15:33:00 <MattPerry> kasei: issue of wether or not to add dataset protocol stuff to it
Gregory Williams: issue of wether or not to add dataset protocol stuff to it ←
15:33:40 <kasei> I should say that the one issue I added to the last call page for SD doesn't depend on the dataset protocol issue (I don't think)
Gregory Williams: I should say that the one issue I added to the last call page for SD doesn't depend on the dataset protocol issue (I don't think) ←
15:34:04 <MattPerry> LeeF: some discussion with Kendall about Entailment review
Lee Feigenbaum: some discussion with Kendall about Entailment review ←
15:34:33 <Zakim> + +539149aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +539149aaff ←
15:34:41 <AlexPassant> Zakim, +539149aaff is me
Alexandre Passant: Zakim, +539149aaff is me ←
15:34:41 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
15:34:52 <bglimm> I didn't yet succeed to convince somebody from our group to do another review
Birte Glimm: I didn't yet succeed to convince somebody from our group to do another review ←
15:34:56 <MattPerry> MattPerry: have some comments from Zhe Wu that I will send out
Matthew Perry: have some comments from Zhe Wu that I will send out ←
15:36:10 <MattPerry> topic: Test Status
15:36:39 <MattPerry> LeeF: I have reviewed select expression tests
Lee Feigenbaum: I have reviewed select expression tests ←
15:37:51 <LeeF> topic: Action round-up
15:38:01 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open ←
15:38:30 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
15:38:52 <MattPerry> LeeF: will go through actions quickly ... stop me if we need to discuss anything
Lee Feigenbaum: will go through actions quickly ... stop me if we need to discuss anything ←
15:39:32 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-291
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-291 ←
15:39:33 <trackbot> ACTION-291 Work MIME type registration information into SPARQL Update document based on Sandro's suggestion for formatting etc. closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-291 Work MIME type registration information into SPARQL Update document based on Sandro's suggestion for formatting etc. closed ←
15:41:35 <MattPerry> LeeF: Text needed in member submission for update to say it is not the standard
Lee Feigenbaum: Text needed in member submission for update to say it is not the standard ←
15:41:38 <LeeF> ACTION-296: Take a look at OWL 1.1 documents for example text
Lee Feigenbaum: ACTION-296: Take a look at OWL 1.1 documents for example text ←
15:41:38 <trackbot> ACTION-296 to suggest a wording for a disclaimer text for the SPARQL update member submission notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-296 to suggest a wording for a disclaimer text for the SPARQL update member submission notes added ←
15:42:42 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-345
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-345 ←
15:42:42 <trackbot> ACTION-345 Check example in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml#id0x278d4530 closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-345 Check example in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml#id0x278d4530 closed ←
15:43:20 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-354
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-354 ←
15:43:20 <trackbot> ACTION-354 Wiki-to-last-call doc regarding update closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-354 Wiki-to-last-call doc regarding update closed ←
15:43:37 <kasei> that's done
Gregory Williams: that's done ←
15:43:43 <kasei> 356
Gregory Williams: 356 ←
15:43:58 <kasei> I've completed ACTION-370 on function tests.
Gregory Williams: I've completed ACTION-370 on function tests. ←
15:44:39 <MattPerry> My property path action is pending resolution of the property path semantics issue
My property path action is pending resolution of the property path semantics issue ←
15:44:54 <MattPerry> kasei: I have looked at tests and agree with them
Gregory Williams: I have looked at tests and agree with them ←
15:45:02 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-370
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-370 ←
15:45:02 <trackbot> ACTION-370 Look at function tests closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-370 Look at function tests closed ←
15:45:22 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-374
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-374 ←
15:45:22 <trackbot> ACTION-374 Look at projected expression tests closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-374 Look at projected expression tests closed ←
15:45:29 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-375
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-375 ←
15:45:29 <trackbot> ACTION-375 Look at CONSTRUCT WHERE tests closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-375 Look at CONSTRUCT WHERE tests closed ←
15:46:39 <LeeF> topic: Issues round-up
15:46:41 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/open
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/open ←
15:46:48 <Zakim> +bglimm.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm.a ←
15:46:56 <MattPerry> LeeF: Security issues in update
Lee Feigenbaum: Security issues in update ←
15:46:59 <bglimm> Zakim, +member:bglimm.a is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, +member:bglimm.a is me ←
15:46:59 <Zakim> sorry, bglimm, I do not recognize a party named '+member:bglimm.a'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bglimm, I do not recognize a party named '+member:bglimm.a' ←
15:47:07 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml#security
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml#security ←
15:47:19 <bglimm> Zakim, member:bglimm.a is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, member:bglimm.a is me ←
15:47:19 <Zakim> sorry, bglimm, I do not recognize a party named 'member:bglimm.a'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bglimm, I do not recognize a party named 'member:bglimm.a' ←
15:47:27 <bglimm> Zakim, a is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, a is me ←
15:47:27 <Zakim> sorry, bglimm, I do not recognize a party named 'a'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bglimm, I do not recognize a party named 'a' ←
15:47:29 <MattPerry> LeeF: should leave issue open until doc has been reviewed
Lee Feigenbaum: should leave issue open until doc has been reviewed ←
15:48:06 <MattPerry> LeeF: Issue 52: availability of unnamed graph in service description
Lee Feigenbaum: ISSUE-52: availability of unnamed graph in service description ←
15:48:24 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:48:24 <Zakim> bglimm was already muted, bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm was already muted, bglimm ←
15:48:29 <MattPerry> kasei: I don't think this is really an issue
Gregory Williams: I don't think this is really an issue ←
15:48:41 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-52 with no change
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-52 with no change ←
15:48:42 <MattPerry> LeeF: I agree ... any concerns with closing issue
Lee Feigenbaum: I agree ... any concerns with closing issue ←
15:48:45 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/52
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/52 ←
15:48:53 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-52 (http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/52http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/52) with no change
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-52 (http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/52http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/52) with no change ←
15:49:08 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
15:49:19 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-52 (http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/52http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/52) with no change
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-52 (http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/52http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/52) with no change ←
15:49:26 <Zakim> -bglimm
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15:49:26 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-52
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ISSUE-52 ←
15:49:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-52 Do we need the availability of an unnamed graph in SD? closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-52 Do we need the availability of an unnamed graph in SD? closed ←
15:49:59 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:50:08 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
15:50:10 <MattPerry> LeeF: Issue 65 needs some discussion
Lee Feigenbaum: ISSUE-65 needs some discussion ←
15:50:17 <MattPerry> AndyS: can we close Issue 58
Andy Seaborne: can we close ISSUE-58 ←
15:50:52 <LeeF> ISSUE-58: Update document has registration information; registration process being tracked via actions
Lee Feigenbaum: ISSUE-58: Update document has registration information; registration process being tracked via actions ←
15:50:52 <trackbot> ISSUE-58 Register a MIME type for SPARQL Update requests? notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-58 Register a MIME type for SPARQL Update requests? notes added ←
15:50:57 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-58
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ISSUE-58 ←
15:50:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-58 Register a MIME type for SPARQL Update requests? closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-58 Register a MIME type for SPARQL Update requests? closed ←
15:51:03 <AndyS> BTW - wasn't the extension going to be ".ru" - for RDf update c.f .rq redf query. Says ".ud"
Andy Seaborne: BTW - wasn't the extension going to be ".ru" - for RDf update c.f .rq redf query. Says ".ud" ←
15:51:23 <LeeF> Next week: talk about ISSUE-65 during teleconference
Lee Feigenbaum: Next week: talk about ISSUE-65 during teleconference ←
15:51:53 <MattPerry> pgearon: I can change the extension in the doc
Paula Gearon: I can change the extension in the doc ←
15:52:52 <MattPerry> LeeF: valuable to for someone to summarize discussion of service vs graph store vs ... on the mailing list
Lee Feigenbaum: valuable to for someone to summarize discussion of service vs graph store vs ... on the mailing list ←
15:53:34 <MattPerry> AndyS: one of the issues is naming
Andy Seaborne: one of the issues is naming ←
15:54:15 <LeeF> AndyS: RDF Dataset HTTP Protocol says that doing a GET on a graph store URI returns the service description
Andy Seaborne: RDF Dataset HTTP Protocol says that doing a GET on a graph store URI returns the service description [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:55:26 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/#http-option
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/#http-option ←
15:55:29 <MattPerry> LeeF: is this Section 5.8 in the doc?
Lee Feigenbaum: is this Section 5.8 in the doc? ←
15:55:47 <MattPerry> AndyS: yes
Andy Seaborne: yes ←
15:56:29 <MattPerry> LeeF: a GET on the endpoing gets the service description
Lee Feigenbaum: a GET on the endpoing gets the service description ←
15:56:48 <MattPerry> LeeF: there is confusion about whether or not that is the graph store URI
Lee Feigenbaum: there is confusion about whether or not that is the graph store URI ←
15:57:27 <kasei> this section 5.8 is a surprise to me.
Gregory Williams: this section 5.8 is a surprise to me. ←
15:57:44 <kasei> "Per section 2 of SPARQL 1.1 Service Descriptions, ..." doesn't seem relevant here.
Gregory Williams: "Per section 2 of SPARQL 1.1 Service Descriptions, ..." doesn't seem relevant here. ←
15:57:52 <MattPerry> LeeF: is there somewhere that talks about doing a GET on a graph store URI
Lee Feigenbaum: is there somewhere that talks about doing a GET on a graph store URI ←
15:58:04 <MattPerry> LeeF: do we talk about graph store URI vs service URI
Lee Feigenbaum: do we talk about graph store URI vs service URI ←
15:58:34 <MattPerry> AndyS: will send some more email
Andy Seaborne: will send some more email ←
15:59:22 <MattPerry> kasei: depends on which "service" you are talking about
Gregory Williams: depends on which "service" you are talking about ←
15:59:53 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/#indirect-graph-identification
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/#indirect-graph-identification ←
16:00:03 <LeeF> GET /rdf-graphs/employees?graph=http%3A//www.example.com/other/graph HTTP/1.1
Lee Feigenbaum: GET /rdf-graphs/employees?graph=http%3A//www.example.com/other/graph HTTP/1.1 ←
16:00:47 <MattPerry> LeeF: /rdf-graphs/employees?graph is ambiguous
Lee Feigenbaum: /rdf-graphs/employees?graph is ambiguous ←
16:01:02 <LeeF> GET /rdf-graphs/services
Lee Feigenbaum: GET /rdf-graphs/services ←
16:01:14 <LeeF> """
Lee Feigenbaum: """ ←
16:01:15 <LeeF> http://www.example.com/rdf-graphs/services identifies the HTTP service that implements this protocol. In order to dispatch requests to manage named or default graphs by embedding them in the query component of the service URL, the service URL will need to be known a priori. As will be discussed later in this document, both HTTP OPTIONS and GET requests can be sent to the service and the the
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.example.com/rdf-graphs/services identifies the HTTP service that implements this protocol. In order to dispatch requests to manage named or default graphs by embedding them in the query component of the service URL, the service URL will need to be known a priori. As will be discussed later in this document, both HTTP OPTIONS and GET requests can be sent to the service and the the ←
16:01:15 <LeeF> response to such a request is a representation of a service description
Lee Feigenbaum: response to such a request is a representation of a service description ←
16:01:16 <LeeF> """
Lee Feigenbaum: """ ←
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16:02:45 <NickH> Thanks LeeF!
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16:03:23 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.603.897.aaaa, AndyS, MattPerry, +1.310.729.aabb, kasei, Lee_Feigenbaum, bglimm, +44.208.439.aadd, SteveH_, cbuilara, pgearon, NickH, AlexPassant, Sandro
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16:03:40 <LeeF> I see that in the POST section (5.4), the document talks about posting to the Graph Store URI
Lee Feigenbaum: I see that in the POST section (5.4), the document talks about posting to the Graph Store URI ←
16:04:50 <LeeF> I don't see anything else in the document that talks about the URI of a Graph Store at all
Lee Feigenbaum: I don't see anything else in the document that talks about the URI of a Graph Store at all ←
16:17:37 <kasei> can anyone glance over a MINUS vs. NOT EXISTS example for me?
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Gregory Williams: can anyone glance over a MINUS vs. NOT EXISTS example for me? ←
16:17:50 <kasei> wanted a simple example to send along to Jeen
Gregory Williams: wanted a simple example to send along to Jeen ←
16:22:01 <kasei> http://pastebin.com/X4r4K7sh (think, but not entirely sure, that this is correct)
Gregory Williams: http://pastebin.com/X4r4K7sh (think, but not entirely sure, that this is correct) ←
16:24:18 <LeeF> "a simple example" hah!
Lee Feigenbaum: "a simple example" hah! ←
16:27:48 <kasei> well, simple-ish :)
Gregory Williams: well, simple-ish :) ←
16:27:59 <kasei> the simplest case I could come up with that shows a difference.
Gregory Williams: the simplest case I could come up with that shows a difference. ←
16:34:19 <SteveH> { ?x ?y ?z } MINUS { ?a ?b ?c } and { ?x ?y ?z } FILTER( NOT EXISTS { ?a ?b ?c } ) are different
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Steve Harris: { ?x ?y ?z } MINUS { ?a ?b ?c } and { ?x ?y ?z } FILTER( NOT EXISTS { ?a ?b ?c } ) are different ←
16:34:39 <SteveH> it depends on what your expectation of the operation is, e.g. binding v's non binding
Steve Harris: it depends on what your expectation of the operation is, e.g. binding v's non binding ←
16:34:48 <kasei> true. this is specifically to address Jeen's claim that they are the same when they have shared variables, though.
Gregory Williams: true. this is specifically to address Jeen's claim that they are the same when they have shared variables, though. ←
16:34:54 <kasei> sorry, should have mentioned that.
Gregory Williams: sorry, should have mentioned that. ←
16:35:09 <kasei> so, simplest case with shared variables.
Gregory Williams: so, simplest case with shared variables. ←
16:35:43 <SteveH> ah, sure
Steve Harris: ah, sure ←
16:35:43 <SteveH> mn, m memory not doing well :)
Steve Harris: mn, m memory not doing well :) ←
16:36:52 <SteveH> I think that's a relative simple example...
Steve Harris: I think that's a relative simple example... ←
16:37:15 <SteveH> ...and FILTER NOT EXISTS still messes with my head
Steve Harris: ...and FILTER NOT EXISTS still messes with my head ←
16:37:43 <kasei> heh
Gregory Williams: heh ←
16:39:19 <SteveH> kasei, are you sure that ?n is in scope there?
Steve Harris: kasei, are you sure that ?n is in scope there? ←
16:39:36 <kasei> where?
Gregory Williams: where? ←
16:39:57 <kasei> in the MINUS?
Gregory Williams: in the MINUS? ←
16:40:15 <SteveH> I'm not sure that it isn't FWIW
Steve Harris: I'm not sure that it isn't FWIW ←
16:40:23 <kasei> no, and that's exactly the point.
Gregory Williams: no, and that's exactly the point. ←
16:40:30 <SteveH> ah, I see
Steve Harris: ah, I see ←
16:40:54 <SteveH> ah, gotcha, I misread the data
Steve Harris: ah, gotcha, I misread the data ←
20:03:27 <AndyS> kasei, like the example - wonder if the filter/scope example is worth putting in the doc.
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Andy Seaborne: kasei, like the example - wonder if the filter/scope example is worth putting in the doc. ←
20:04:29 <AndyS> I think the important point is that it reflects different ways of thinking about negation - not one can do more or less than the other
Andy Seaborne: I think the important point is that it reflects different ways of thinking about negation - not one can do more or less than the other ←
20:25:22 <SteveH> +1
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Steve Harris: +1 ←
20:28:09 <AndyS> @@/not critical for LC (actually a tad difficult to avoid for LC :-(
Andy Seaborne: @@/not critical for LC (actually a tad difficult to avoid for LC :-( ←
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