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SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 29 June 2010

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-06-29
Seen
Alexandre Passant, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Chimezie Ogbuji, Gregory Williams, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Nicholas Humfrey, Olivier Corby, Paula Gearon
Chair
Axel Polleres
Scribe
Unknown gearon, Paula Gearon
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14:00:34 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/06/29-sparql-irc

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14:00:36 <bglimm> Zakim, I am here

Birte Glimm: Zakim, I am here

14:00:36 <Zakim> sorry, bglimm, I do not see a party named 'here'

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14:00:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

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14:00:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now

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14:00:39 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:00:39 <trackbot> Date: 29 June 2010
14:00:44 <LeeF> zakim, this is SPARQL

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this is SPARQL

14:00:44 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, LeeF; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

14:00:47 <bglimm> Zakim, I am bglimm

Birte Glimm: Zakim, I am bglimm

14:00:47 <Zakim> sorry, bglimm, I do not see a party named 'bglimm'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bglimm, I do not see a party named 'bglimm'

14:00:53 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:00:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgearon, OlivierCorby, +44.186.528.aaaa, kasei, +1.603.897.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgearon, OlivierCorby, +44.186.528.aaaa, kasei, +1.603.897.aabb

14:00:58 <Zakim> - +44.186.528.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +44.186.528.aaaa

14:01:09 <LeeF> zakim, code?

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, code?

14:01:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), LeeF

14:01:18 <MattPerry> zakim, aabb is me

Matthew Perry: zakim, aabb is me

14:01:18 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it

14:01:47 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres

14:01:56 <pgearon> morning Axel

Paula Gearon: morning Axel

14:01:58 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji

Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie_Ogbuji

14:02:06 <Zakim> + +1.617.553.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.553.aacc

14:02:13 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

14:02:15 <LeeF> zakim, aacc is me

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, aacc is me

14:02:18 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

14:02:20 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF; got it

14:02:29 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:02:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgearon, OlivierCorby, kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgearon, OlivierCorby, kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), LeeF

14:02:38 <bglimm> I am just dialing in again

Birte Glimm: I am just dialing in again

14:02:46 <Zakim> + +44.186.528.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.186.528.aadd

14:02:55 <bglimm> Zakim, +44.186.528.aadd is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, +44.186.528.aadd is me

14:02:55 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it

14:03:02 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:03:02 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

14:03:23 <LeeF> (for the record, next week I'd like to discuss LET and also start reviewing & approving test cases)

Lee Feigenbaum: (for the record, next week I'd like to discuss LET and also start reviewing & approving test cases)

14:03:25 <AxelPolleres> scribe: paul gearon

Scribe problem: the name 'paul gearon' does not match any of the 63 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Charboneau David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Ivan Mikhailov Ivan Herman Jacek Kopecký Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Lee Feigenbaum Luke Wilson-Mawer Matthew Perry Michael Smith Michele Minno Nicholas Humfrey Nophadol Jekjantuk Olivier Corby Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sandro Hawke Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Timo Westkämper Tommi Koivula Yoshio Fukushige Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

(Scribe set to Unknown gearon)

14:03:30 <LeeF> scribenick: pgearon

(Scribe set to Paula Gearon)

14:03:37 <LeeF> Chair: AxelPolleres
14:03:42 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-06-29
14:03:43 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-06-29

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-06-29

14:04:18 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: Focus on admin issues today. Action issues, etc

Axel Polleres: Focus on admin issues today. Action issues, etc

14:04:44 <bglimm> Axel, are you still talking? I can't hear any more

Birte Glimm: Axel, are you still talking? I can't hear any more

14:04:52 <pgearon> focus on tech issues tomorrow in upcoming testcases call

focus on tech issues tomorrow in upcoming testcases call

14:04:53 <bglimm> :-(

Birte Glimm: :-(

14:04:55 <Zakim> +??P1

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1

14:04:57 <bglimm> silence

Birte Glimm: silence

14:05:08 <NicholasH> Zakim,  ??P1 is me

Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P1 is me

14:05:14 <Zakim> +NicholasH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +NicholasH; got it

14:05:21 <bglimm> Yes, our telephone system has problems today and Zakim forces me to call US

Birte Glimm: Yes, our telephone system has problems today and Zakim forces me to call US

14:05:27 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

14:05:27 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: Summary of Semtech

Axel Polleres: Summary of Semtech

14:06:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:06:14 <AlexPassant> Zakim, +[IPcaller] is me

Alexandre Passant: Zakim, +[IPcaller] is me

14:06:14 <Zakim> sorry, AlexPassant, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AlexPassant, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'

14:06:30 <pgearon> LeeF: Tuesday gave a tutorial on SPARQL. Wednesday there was a SPARQL 1.1 panel. Fewer people at the panel

Lee Feigenbaum: Tuesday gave a tutorial on SPARQL. Wednesday there was a SPARQL 1.1 panel. Fewer people at the panel

14:06:51 <pgearon> LeeF: panel had questions on federation. One person asked about LET

Lee Feigenbaum: panel had questions on federation. One person asked about LET

14:07:25 <pgearon> LeeF: people in the community seem to be engaged in SPARQL and are following what we're doing

Lee Feigenbaum: people in the community seem to be engaged in SPARQL and are following what we're doing

14:08:46 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me

14:08:46 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted

14:08:47 <pgearon> LeeF: no real criticism. One question about LET. Another question asking if we've defined everything needed for federation (which we aren't)

Lee Feigenbaum: no real criticism. One question about LET. Another question asking if we've defined everything needed for federation (which we aren't)

14:09:30 <pgearon> chimezie: presentation on REST and HTTP. Most of the feedback was just about filling in details of the protocol

Chimezie Ogbuji: presentation on REST and HTTP. Most of the feedback was just about filling in details of the protocol

14:10:02 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

14:10:02 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

14:10:21 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/12/rdf-ws/

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/12/rdf-ws/

14:10:22 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: RDF Next Steps workshop

Axel Polleres: RDF Next Steps workshop

14:11:19 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: lots of presentations, lots of differing opinions

Axel Polleres: lots of presentations, lots of differing opinions

14:11:49 <Zakim> +bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm

14:12:00 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: breakout groups on Semantics, Syntax, Named Graphs, and Linked Data issues

Axel Polleres: breakout groups on Semantics, Syntax, Named Graphs, and Linked Data issues

14:12:31 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: decided not to worry much about XML. Look at new syntax, and more "webby" things like JSON

Axel Polleres: decided not to worry much about XML. Look at new syntax, and more "webby" things like JSON

14:12:51 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:12:51 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

14:13:32 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: Semantics group wanted to align semantics with what people are expecting

Axel Polleres: Semantics group wanted to align semantics with what people are expecting

14:14:38 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: syntax - don't touch XML semantics. Annotations should be allowed in RDF, which will be different to current reification syntax

Axel Polleres: syntax - don't touch XML semantics. Annotations should be allowed in RDF, which will be different to current reification syntax

14:14:41 <LeeF> See http://www.w3.org/2010/06/rdf-work-items/table

Lee Feigenbaum: See http://www.w3.org/2010/06/rdf-work-items/table

14:15:02 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/RDF/NextStepWorkshop

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/RDF/NextStepWorkshop

14:15:26 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aaee

14:15:28 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: using "weakly deprecated" on several features, such as reificiation. This means that people should avoid using them in new applications

Axel Polleres: using "weakly deprecated" on several features, such as reificiation. This means that people should avoid using them in new applications

14:15:35 <LeeF> zakim, aaee is Souri

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, aaee is Souri

14:15:36 <Zakim> +Souri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri; got it

14:16:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

14:16:17 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

14:16:26 <bglimm> Zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

14:16:26 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it

14:16:30 <AxelPolleres> topic: Comments

1. Comments

14:16:30 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

14:16:31 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

14:16:34 <AlexPassant> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Alexandre Passant: Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:16:34 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it

14:16:36 <pgearon> pgearon: the outcome of the workshop is that there will likely be a new RDF working group

Paula Gearon: the outcome of the workshop is that there will likely be a new RDF working group

14:16:49 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:16:49 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

14:17:24 <bglimm> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Birte Glimm: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:17:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgearon, OlivierCorby, kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), LeeF, NicholasH, AlexPassant, Souri, bglimm (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgearon, OlivierCorby, kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), LeeF, NicholasH, AlexPassant, Souri, bglimm (muted)

14:17:25 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: asking everyone on the list about comments

Axel Polleres: asking everyone on the list about comments

14:17:38 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

14:17:38 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

14:18:11 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me

14:18:11 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted

14:18:41 <pgearon> EF-1, EF-2, EF-3. Birte responded, and there was no response. Is this acceptable or do we need to follow up?

EF-1, EF-2, EF-3. Birte responded, and there was no response. Is this acceptable or do we need to follow up?

14:19:13 <pgearon> LeeF: good practice to follow up, but not required to at this stage (not until Last Call)

Lee Feigenbaum: good practice to follow up, but not required to at this stage (not until Last Call)

14:19:41 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: suggestion to track comments beyond sending response only by last call with a standard question for acknowledgement.

Lee Feigenbaum: suggestion to track comments beyond sending response only by last call with a standard question for acknowledgement. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:19:54 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:19:54 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

14:20:26 <pgearon> JC-1. LeeF has sent another email opening this discussion again

JC-1. LeeF has sent another email opening this discussion again

14:20:49 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: can this be closed, or left open?

Axel Polleres: can this be closed, or left open?

14:20:54 <pgearon> LeeF: leave open

Lee Feigenbaum: leave open

14:21:03 <AxelPolleres> ASSIGNMENT to be put on next TC agenda

Axel Polleres: ASSIGNMENT to be put on next TC agenda

14:21:18 <kasei> RV-2 is waiting on a second response from SteveH.

Gregory Williams: RV-2 is waiting on a second response from SteveH.

14:21:22 <pgearon> HK-1. Similar to JC-1

HK-1. Similar to JC-1

14:21:46 <kasei> oops. jumped ahead a bit on that. sorry.

Gregory Williams: oops. jumped ahead a bit on that. sorry.

14:24:23 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Paul to check whether http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Jan/0003.html is fully answered and complete update the comments table.

ACTION: Paul to check whether http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Jan/0003.html is fully answered and complete update the comments table.

14:24:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-259 - Check whether http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Jan/0003.html is fully answered and complete update the comments table. [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-07-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-259 - Check whether http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Jan/0003.html is fully answered and complete update the comments table. [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-07-06].

14:24:25 <pgearon> RN-1. Response was not formal, but in public. Richard Newman was satisfied with response

RN-1. Response was not formal, but in public. Richard Newman was satisfied with response

14:25:23 <pgearon> DR-1. Property Paths question still open. Axel with follow up with Andy to see if it is resolved

DR-1. Property Paths question still open. Axel with follow up with Andy to see if it is resolved

14:25:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to contact Andy about open comments assigned to him

ACTION: Axel to contact Andy about open comments assigned to him

14:25:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-260 - Contact Andy about open comments assigned to him  [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-07-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-260 - Contact Andy about open comments assigned to him [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-07-06].

14:25:58 <kasei> RV-2 isn't actually done, despite what the wiki says.

Gregory Williams: RV-2 isn't actually done, despite what the wiki says.

14:26:02 <AxelPolleres> ST-1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Feb/0015.html

Axel Polleres: ST-1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Feb/0015.html

14:26:29 <pgearon> ST-1. This has not been responded to. pgearon to follow up

ST-1. This has not been responded to. pgearon to follow up

14:26:31 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Paul to look into http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Feb/0015.html and update comments page accordingly

ACTION: Paul to look into http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Feb/0015.html and update comments page accordingly

14:26:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-261 - Look into http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Feb/0015.html and update comments page accordingly [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-07-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-261 - Look into http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Feb/0015.html and update comments page accordingly [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-07-06].

14:27:49 <pgearon> RV-2. Responded to, but followup mail not in table

RV-2. Responded to, but followup mail not in table

14:28:41 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to add http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0002.html as new comment in the table, note necessary input from steve in the table

ACTION: greg to add http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0002.html as new comment in the table, note necessary input from steve in the table

14:28:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-262 - Add http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0002.html as new comment in the table, note necessary input from steve in the table [on Gregory Williams - due 2010-07-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-262 - Add http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0002.html as new comment in the table, note necessary input from steve in the table [on Gregory Williams - due 2010-07-06].

14:28:45 <bglimm> Steve did send regrets (most likely cannot make it he said)

Birte Glimm: Steve did send regrets (most likely cannot make it he said)

14:29:26 <kasei> that's different

Gregory Williams: that's different

14:29:33 <pgearon> Steve needed for RV-3 and RV-4

Steve needed for RV-3 and RV-4

14:29:54 <kasei> aha. RV-4 is the same as the followup on RV-1

Gregory Williams: aha. RV-4 is the same as the followup on RV-1

14:30:10 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: ask stefve about RV-3 RV-4 responses

ACTION: ask stefve about RV-3 RV-4 responses

14:30:10 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ask

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - ask

14:30:44 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-262

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-262

14:30:44 <trackbot> ACTION-262 Add http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0002.html as new comment in the table, note necessary input from steve in the table closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-262 Add http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0002.html as new comment in the table, note necessary input from steve in the table closed

14:31:24 <AxelPolleres> RH-1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0009.html

Axel Polleres: RH-1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0009.html

14:32:04 <pgearon> RH-1. More complex. This is an input paper which proposes an abstract syntax for Update

RH-1. More complex. This is an input paper which proposes an abstract syntax for Update

14:32:25 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RH-1

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RH-1

14:32:46 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: not responded, but have a reply draft. Draft says that we may consider this

Axel Polleres: not responded, but have a reply draft. Draft says that we may consider this

14:34:52 <Zakim> -AlexPassant

Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant

14:35:03 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: Lee wanted to hold off on the reply

Axel Polleres: Lee wanted to hold off on the reply

14:35:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:35:27 <AlexPassant> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Alexandre Passant: Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:35:27 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it

14:37:22 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: paul to reformulate http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RH-1 and send to the list.

ACTION: paul to reformulate http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RH-1 and send to the list.

14:37:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-263 - Reformulate http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RH-1 and send to the list. [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-07-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-263 - Reformulate http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RH-1 and send to the list. [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-07-06].

14:37:34 <pgearon> pgearon: feels that the draft response is a "brush off" and volunteers to update the response

Paula Gearon: feels that the draft response is a "brush off" and volunteers to update the response

14:39:21 <pgearon> KK-1. ISSUE-49. Ivan asked, said we can reference informatively

KK-1. ISSUE-49. Ivan asked, said we can reference informatively

14:40:04 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: can replicate ISSUE-49 in the text and explain that there may be an issue if not used as expected

Axel Polleres: can replicate ISSUE-49 in the text and explain that there may be an issue if not used as expected

14:40:48 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Chime to draft response to KK-1 summarising our internal discussions and changes in the doc.

ACTION: Chime to draft response to KK-1 summarising our internal discussions and changes in the doc.

14:40:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-264 - Draft response to KK-1 summarising our internal discussions and changes in the doc. [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-07-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-264 - Draft response to KK-1 summarising our internal discussions and changes in the doc. [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-07-06].

14:41:12 <kasei> I drafted a response, but never got WG feedback on it.

Gregory Williams: I drafted a response, but never got WG feedback on it.

14:41:54 <pgearon> kasei: discussing MH-3, TI-3 response

Gregory Williams: discussing MH-1, TI-3 response

14:42:13 <pgearon> s/MH-3/MH-1/
14:42:25 <LeeF> +1 chimezie

Lee Feigenbaum: +1 chimezie

14:43:10 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:MH-1

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:MH-1

14:43:12 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:43:23 <pgearon> kasei: don't plan to follow up with "well known" endpoint without a concrete proposal

Gregory Williams: don't plan to follow up with "well known" endpoint without a concrete proposal

14:43:23 <bglimm> supoort

Birte Glimm: supoort

14:43:30 <bglimm> support

Birte Glimm: support

14:43:54 <kasei> either way

Gregory Williams: either way

14:44:16 <pgearon> kasei to follow up without action

kasei to follow up without action

14:44:39 <AxelPolleres> PA-1

Axel Polleres: PA-1

14:44:40 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Jun/0002.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Jun/0002.html

14:45:15 <pgearon> Andy suggested that functions from XPath can be used

Andy suggested that functions from XPath can be used

14:45:22 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:PA-1

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:PA-1

14:45:58 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: can someone please check. Concern about syntactic correctness

Axel Polleres: can someone please check. Concern about syntactic correctness

14:46:36 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: noticed use of "+" instead of concat function

Axel Polleres: noticed use of "+" instead of concat function

14:47:03 <kasei> works in a real implementation?

Gregory Williams: works in a real implementation?

14:47:09 <kasei> does anybody implement those functions yet?

Gregory Williams: does anybody implement those functions yet?

14:47:17 <LeeF> my main concern is fn:concat and fn:encode-for-uri

Lee Feigenbaum: my main concern is fn:concat and fn:encode-for-uri

14:47:20 <LeeF> which we haven't settled on yet, right?

Lee Feigenbaum: which we haven't settled on yet, right?

14:47:43 <LeeF> which functions & via which URIs

Lee Feigenbaum: which functions & via which URIs

14:47:53 <LeeF> Sure

Lee Feigenbaum: Sure

14:48:16 <LeeF> i think you're missing braces in the WHERE clause

Lee Feigenbaum: i think you're missing braces in the WHERE clause

14:48:35 <LeeF> the sub-SELECT needs to be wrapped in braces

Lee Feigenbaum: the sub-SELECT needs to be wrapped in braces

14:49:22 <pgearon> pgearon: also includes example:percentEncode in query, which shouldn't be there

Paula Gearon: also includes example:percentEncode in query, which shouldn't be there

14:49:36 <kasei> I think the current grammar allows WHERE { SELECT ... }

Gregory Williams: I think the current grammar allows WHERE { SELECT ... }

14:50:33 <OlivierCorby> it should be: select exp as var (instead of var as exp)

Olivier Corby: it should be: select exp as var (instead of var as exp)

14:50:38 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to update answer to PA-1 explaining non-normative nature of the functions and that syntax may still change

ACTION: Axel to update answer to PA-1 explaining non-normative nature of the functions and that syntax may still change

14:50:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-265 - Update answer to PA-1 explaining non-normative nature of the functions and that syntax may still change [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-07-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-265 - Update answer to PA-1 explaining non-normative nature of the functions and that syntax may still change [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-07-06].

14:51:52 <kasei> yes

Gregory Williams: yes

14:52:25 <pgearon> PA-2. Semantics of Describe. AxelPolleres has this on his list

PA-2. Semantics of Describe. AxelPolleres has this on his list

14:52:42 <kasei> I can draft a response to PA-2 w.r.t. service descriptions.

Gregory Williams: I can draft a response to PA-2 w.r.t. service descriptions.

14:53:56 <AxelPolleres> DS-1 needs discussion

Axel Polleres: DS-1 needs discussion

14:53:59 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Jun/0011.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Jun/0011.html

14:54:03 <pgearon> DS-1. mentioned before, and kasei thinks we need more discussion

DS-1. mentioned before, and kasei thinks we need more discussion

14:54:44 <pgearon> kasei: Andy provided compelling example, response suggested that entailment can interact and cause problems

Gregory Williams: Andy provided compelling example, response suggested that entailment can interact and cause problems

14:54:59 <AxelPolleres> we had that discussion on F2F ... looks like we have to discuss this in the group again.

Axel Polleres: we had that discussion on F2F ... looks like we have to discuss this in the group again.

14:55:48 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to write  a mail to the list on the issue of DS-1 and what are the options

ACTION: greg to write a mail to the list on the issue of DS-1 and what are the options

14:55:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-266 - Write  a mail to the list on the issue of DS-1 and what are the options  [on Gregory Williams - due 2010-07-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-266 - Write a mail to the list on the issue of DS-1 and what are the options [on Gregory Williams - due 2010-07-06].

14:55:59 <pgearon> kasei following up, will be discussed in next teleconference

kasei following up, will be discussed in next teleconference

14:57:09 <kasei> what time is the call tomorrow?

Gregory Williams: what time is the call tomorrow?

14:58:24 <AxelPolleres> topic: aob

2. aob

14:58:35 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji

Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie_Ogbuji

14:58:36 <AxelPolleres> adjourned

Axel Polleres: adjourned

14:58:37 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

14:58:38 <pgearon> adjourned

adjourned

14:58:39 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

14:58:45 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry

14:58:47 <Zakim> -AlexPassant

Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant

14:58:49 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby

Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby

14:58:53 <Zakim> -NicholasH

Zakim IRC Bot: -NicholasH

14:58:55 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

14:58:55 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public

14:58:57 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

14:59:01 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres

15:22:59 <kasei> AxelPolleres, ping?

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Gregory Williams: AxelPolleres, ping?

15:35:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Souri, in SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

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Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, Souri, in SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

15:35:05 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

15:35:07 <Zakim> Attendees were OlivierCorby, pgearon, +44.186.528.aaaa, kasei, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.617.553.aacc, LeeF, bglimm, NicholasH, +1.603.897.aaee,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were OlivierCorby, pgearon, +44.186.528.aaaa, kasei, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.617.553.aacc, LeeF, bglimm, NicholasH, +1.603.897.aaee,

15:35:09 <Zakim> ... Souri, AlexPassant

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Souri, AlexPassant



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