Update and Entailment publication decision postponed to next time, given that small changes still need approval (cf. respective ACTIONS)
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13:49:53 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, this will be SPARQL
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13:50:30 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
13:51:51 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-05-18
13:52:55 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Ivan Herman, Alexandre Passant, Sandro Hawke
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13:59:35 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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13:59:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, +1.919.332.aaaa
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14:00:35 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:00:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, pgearon
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14:01:13 <MattPerry> zakim, aadd is me
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14:01:24 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P3 is me
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14:01:27 <Zakim> I already had ??P3 as AndyS, SteveH
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14:01:27 <souri> zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:01:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, pgearon, kasei (muted), +1.603.897.aacc, mischat, MattPerry, +035840564aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, pgearon, kasei (muted), +1.603.897.aacc, mischat, MattPerry, +035840564aaee ←
14:01:31 <tommik> zakim, aaee is me
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14:01:43 <SteveH> Zakim, miscat is me
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14:01:52 <SteveH> Zakim, mischat is me
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14:02:08 <bglimm> I think Zakim didn't get me
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14:02:17 <AxelPolleres> scribe: matthew perry
(Scribe set to Matthew Perry)
14:02:22 <bglimm> Zakim, + 86528aaff is me
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14:02:22 <Zakim> I don't understand '+ 86528aaff is me', bglimm
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14:02:28 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum
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14:02:33 <bglimm> Zakim, +86528aaff is me
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14:02:34 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
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14:02:41 <MattPerry> scribe: MattPerry
14:02:52 <SteveH> AndyS, I did a last minute update on rq25.xml to fix the numbering in aggs
Steve Harris: AndyS, I did a last minute update on rq25.xml to fix the numbering in aggs ←
14:03:26 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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14:03:36 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin
14:03:41 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-11
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-11 ←
14:04:02 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-11
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-11 ←
14:04:22 <chimezie> Zakim, what is the passcode?
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, what is the passcode? ←
14:04:22 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie
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14:04:30 <AxelPolleres> scribe next time... sandro?
Axel Polleres: scribe next time... sandro? ←
14:04:47 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
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14:04:48 <MattPerry> topic: comment handling
14:04:49 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
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14:05:09 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: 2 comments not assigned
Axel Polleres: 2 comments not assigned ←
14:05:20 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
14:05:23 <AxelPolleres> KK-1
Axel Polleres: KK-1 ←
14:06:02 <MattPerry> ... on http update. No real answer yet
... on http update. No real answer yet ←
14:06:23 <AxelPolleres> chime on the call?
Axel Polleres: chime on the call? ←
14:06:29 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:06:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, pgearon, kasei (muted), souri, SteveH, MattPerry, tommik, bglimm (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, pgearon, kasei (muted), souri, SteveH, MattPerry, tommik, bglimm (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted) ←
14:06:46 <sandro> can't scribe next Axel, but probably in two weeks.
Sandro Hawke: can't scribe next Axel, but probably in two weeks. ←
14:07:00 <AxelPolleres> Chime would you be able to take care of KK-1?
Axel Polleres: Chime would you be able to take care of KK-1? ←
14:07:10 <sandro> [ and regrets for today :-( ]
Sandro Hawke: [ and regrets for today :-( ] ←
14:07:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:07:19 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check on who to assign to KK-1 comment
ACTION: Axel to check on who to assign to KK-1 comment ←
14:07:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-238 - Check on who to assign to KK-1 comment [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-238 - Check on who to assign to KK-1 comment [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25]. ←
14:07:43 <kasei> NH-4 is a duplicate of NH-1
Gregory Williams: NH-4 is a duplicate of NH-1 ←
14:07:56 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: another comment on service description
Axel Polleres: another comment on service description ←
14:07:59 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
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14:08:04 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me
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14:08:11 <MattPerry> ... Greg took care of other related comments already
... Greg took care of other related comments already ←
14:08:30 <MattPerry> kasei: NH4 is a duplicate of NH1
Gregory Williams: NH4 is a duplicate of NH1 ←
14:08:44 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Apr/0000.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Apr/0000.html ←
14:09:07 <MattPerry> kasei: that is a duplicate of NH3
Gregory Williams: that is a duplicate of NH3 ←
14:10:07 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to remove NH-4 (duplicate)
ACTION: Axel to remove NH-4 (duplicate) ←
14:10:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-239 - Remove NH-4 (duplicate) [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-239 - Remove NH-4 (duplicate) [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25]. ←
14:10:34 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Chime to handle KK - 1 comment
Axel Polleres: Chime to handle KK - 1 comment ←
14:10:52 <MattPerry> topic: liasons
14:11:16 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: RIF went to proposed recommendation
Axel Polleres: RIF went to proposed recommendation ←
14:11:40 <AxelPolleres> Orri: use case doc will be published in a week or so for rdb2rdf
Orri Erling: use case doc will be published in a week or so for rdb2rdf [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:12:06 <AndyS> sandro is not here
Andy Seaborne: sandro is not here ←
14:12:06 <AxelPolleres> any news from egov?
Axel Polleres: any news from egov? ←
14:12:28 <MattPerry> topic: next publication round
14:12:33 <AxelPolleres> topic: next publications
14:12:43 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
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14:13:12 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: should we include latest decision on Negation in query doc?
Axel Polleres: should we include latest decision on Negation in query doc? ←
14:13:14 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
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14:13:46 <MattPerry> AndyS: I have updated the grammar, section on negation needs updating
Andy Seaborne: I have updated the grammar, section on negation needs updating ←
14:13:47 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:13:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, pgearon, kasei (muted), souri, SteveH, MattPerry, tommik, bglimm (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, pgearon, kasei (muted), souri, SteveH, MattPerry, tommik, bglimm (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), ←
14:13:51 <Zakim> ... [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: ... [IPcaller] ←
14:14:53 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: no need for additional resolution to publish query doc
Axel Polleres: no need for additional resolution to publish query doc ←
14:14:54 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to have a look on Negation section.
ACTION: Axel to have a look on Negation section. ←
14:14:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-240 - Have a look on Negation section. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-240 - Have a look on Negation section. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25]. ←
14:15:43 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
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14:15:45 <MattPerry> subtopic: Entailment doc
14:15:46 <AxelPolleres> topic: entailment
14:16:04 <MattPerry> bglimm: document is ready
Birte Glimm: document is ready ←
14:16:33 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
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14:16:33 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
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14:16:33 <MattPerry> ... not sure about Chime's part
... not sure about Chime's part ←
14:17:03 <MattPerry> chimezie: main issue is do we have authority to provide URI for RIF imports
Chimezie Ogbuji: main issue is do we have authority to provide URI for RIF imports ←
14:17:21 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check back URI use for rif:imports
ACTION: Axel to check back URI use for rif:imports ←
14:17:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-241 - Check back URI use for rif:imports [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-241 - Check back URI use for rif:imports [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25]. ←
14:18:29 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: one more issue, RIF entailment section still has issue with finiteness
Axel Polleres: one more issue, RIF entailment section still has issue with finiteness ←
14:19:17 <MattPerry> chimezie: don't require finiteness, but we can have sections that describe how to ensure finiteness
Chimezie Ogbuji: don't require finiteness, but we can have sections that describe how to ensure finiteness ←
14:20:14 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: we should have an editor's note that reflects that we can support entailments that are not safe
Axel Polleres: we should have an editor's note that reflects that we can support entailments that are not safe ←
14:21:31 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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14:21:41 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Chime to update Section 7 to reflect relaxed finiteness conditions for BGP matching extension.
ACTION: Chime to update Section 7 to reflect relaxed finiteness conditions for BGP matching extension. ←
14:21:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-242 - Update Section 7 to reflect relaxed finiteness conditions for BGP matching extension. [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-05-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-242 - Update Section 7 to reflect relaxed finiteness conditions for BGP matching extension. [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-05-25]. ←
14:22:09 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: we need someone to review the change before we can resolve to publish
Axel Polleres: we need someone to review the change before we can resolve to publish ←
14:22:12 <bglimm> ok
Birte Glimm: ok ←
14:22:22 <bglimm> then I'll take a look. I wanted to do that anyway
Birte Glimm: then I'll take a look. I wanted to do that anyway ←
14:22:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Birte to review changes on Section 7.
ACTION: Birte to review changes on Section 7. ←
14:22:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-243 - Review changes on Section 7. [on Birte Glimm - due 2010-05-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-243 - Review changes on Section 7. [on Birte Glimm - due 2010-05-25]. ←
14:22:55 <AxelPolleres> resolve to publish next week, hopefully.
Axel Polleres: resolve to publish next week, hopefully. ←
14:23:02 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
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14:23:31 <AxelPolleres> topic: http-rdf-update
14:23:51 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: are changes from Greg incorporated?
Axel Polleres: are changes from Greg incorporated? ←
14:24:24 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me
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14:24:26 <MattPerry> chimezie: still some details to work out
Chimezie Ogbuji: still some details to work out ←
14:24:51 <MattPerry> kasei: needs more thought than we have time for in this round
Gregory Williams: needs more thought than we have time for in this round ←
14:25:53 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: should we add an editorial note about the issues?
Axel Polleres: should we add an editorial note about the issues? ←
14:26:06 <AxelPolleres> the problem is called out.
Axel Polleres: the problem is called out. ←
14:26:40 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs as a Working Draft
PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs as a Working Draft ←
14:26:48 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
14:26:57 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
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14:27:13 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
14:27:14 <AndyS> 0
Andy Seaborne: 0 ←
14:27:15 <dcharbon2> +1
David Charboneau: +1 ←
14:27:22 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:27:26 <pgearon> 0
Paula Gearon: 0 ←
14:27:38 <bglimm> 0 (I haven't looked at it)
Birte Glimm: 0 (I haven't looked at it) ←
14:28:05 <SteveH> 0 not looked at it either
Steve Harris: 0 not looked at it either ←
14:28:07 <souri> 0 (yet to look at it)
Souripriya Das: 0 (yet to look at it) ←
14:28:29 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: maybe we need a dedicated conference for http rdf protocol as well
Axel Polleres: maybe we need a dedicated conference for http rdf protocol as well ←
14:28:33 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
14:28:58 <LeeF> Not sure why everyone is abstaining?
Lee Feigenbaum: Not sure why everyone is abstaining? ←
14:29:09 <LeeF> Abstaining seems to say that people are unsure whether we ought to publish this as a working draft
Lee Feigenbaum: Abstaining seems to say that people are unsure whether we ought to publish this as a working draft ←
14:29:17 <SteveH> that was my intention
Steve Harris: that was my intention ←
14:29:18 <LeeF> WHich is surprising given that no one has raised any serious issues
Lee Feigenbaum: WHich is surprising given that no one has raised any serious issues ←
14:29:21 <pgearon> +1
Paula Gearon: +1 ←
14:29:27 <AxelPolleres> many people haven't checked it, generally no objection againg�st publishing now.
Axel Polleres: many people haven't checked it, generally no objection againg�st publishing now. ←
14:29:29 <SteveH> simply haven't had time to read it
Steve Harris: simply haven't had time to read it ←
14:29:37 <bglimm> I guess I could change mine to +1 by just trusting the reviewers
Birte Glimm: I guess I could change mine to +1 by just trusting the reviewers ←
14:29:37 <SteveH> and were a /big/ user of this technique
Steve Harris: and were a /big/ user of this technique ←
14:29:56 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: I think we should publish it now
Axel Polleres: I think we should publish it now ←
14:29:59 <LeeF> Right, SteveH, I understand that -- and you're welcome to abstain, but Working Draft just is a pretty low threshold for going forward (compared to, say, Last Call)
Lee Feigenbaum: Right, SteveH, I understand that -- and you're welcome to abstain, but Working Draft just is a pretty low threshold for going forward (compared to, say, Last Call) ←
14:30:00 <AndyS> They are not all noted.
Andy Seaborne: They are not all noted. ←
14:30:09 <AxelPolleres> unless issues not *noted* in the doc.
Axel Polleres: unless issues not *noted* in the doc. ←
14:30:40 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: if all issues are not noted, maybe we shouldn't publish now
Axel Polleres: if all issues are not noted, maybe we shouldn't publish now ←
14:30:50 <AxelPolleres> andy: we can publish, it's not final.
Andy Seaborne: we can publish, it's not final. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:31:16 <MattPerry> LeeF: We should make sure the issues Andy is referring to do not go overlooked
Lee Feigenbaum: We should make sure the issues Andy is referring to do not go overlooked ←
14:31:45 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: we can publish now and action Chime to collect all issues and start a mail
Axel Polleres: we can publish now and action Chime to collect all issues and start a mail ←
14:31:57 <AxelPolleres> Axel: propose to publish now and Chime collects issues per mail
Axel Polleres: propose to publish now and Chime collects issues per mail [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:32:23 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: chime to collect http-protocol issues and mail to list, others respond if you see anything missing
ACTION: chime to collect http-protocol issues and mail to list, others respond if you see anything missing ←
14:32:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-244 - Collect http-protocol issues and mail to list, others respond if you see anything missing [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-05-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-244 - Collect http-protocol issues and mail to list, others respond if you see anything missing [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-05-25]. ←
14:32:43 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: should we have another vote?
Axel Polleres: should we have another vote? ←
14:33:03 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs as a Working Draft (with open issues being carried forward on the mailinglist)
PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs as a Working Draft (with open issues being carried forward on the mailinglist) ←
14:33:06 <souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
14:33:08 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
14:33:09 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:33:14 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
14:33:16 <pgearon> +1
Paula Gearon: +1 ←
14:33:17 <dcharbon2> +1
David Charboneau: +1 ←
14:33:17 <MattPerry> +1
+1 ←
14:33:20 <tommik> +1
Tommi Koivula: +1 ←
14:33:22 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:33:38 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs as a Working Draft (with open issues being carried forward on the mailinglist)
RESOLVED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs as a Working Draft (with open issues being carried forward on the mailinglist) ←
14:34:33 <AxelPolleres> topic: update
14:34:33 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
14:34:33 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
14:35:09 <MattPerry> pgearon: a lot of recent changes
Paula Gearon: a lot of recent changes ←
14:35:25 <AxelPolleres> last issue "DELETE WHERE"
Axel Polleres: last issue "DELETE WHERE" ←
14:35:29 <MattPerry> ... one issue is DELETE WHERE
... one issue is DELETE WHERE ←
14:36:00 <MattPerry> ... should be able to resolve in the next day or so, and then have someone review it
... should be able to resolve in the next day or so, and then have someone review it ←
14:36:17 <LeeF> OK, if you can point specifically to it :)
Lee Feigenbaum: OK, if you can point specifically to it :) ←
14:36:39 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: paul to implement change regarding DELETE WHERE
ACTION: paul to implement change regarding DELETE WHERE ←
14:36:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-245 - Implement change regarding DELETE WHERE [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-05-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-245 - Implement change regarding DELETE WHERE [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-05-25]. ←
14:36:45 <LeeF> I haven't read the replies to my reviews in detail yet - I will in time, but none of it was necessary to hold up publishing IMO
Lee Feigenbaum: I haven't read the replies to my reviews in detail yet - I will in time, but none of it was necessary to hold up publishing IMO ←
14:36:57 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Lee to check/approve final version of update
ACTION: Lee to check/approve final version of update ←
14:36:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-246 - Check/approve final version of update [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-05-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-246 - Check/approve final version of update [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-05-25]. ←
14:37:16 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: hold off on resolving for pulication until changes are made
Axel Polleres: hold off on resolving for publication until changes are made ←
14:37:26 <AxelPolleres> will decide about publication next week.
Axel Polleres: will decide about publication next week. ←
14:37:29 <MattPerry> s/pulication/publication
14:38:14 <AxelPolleres> editors, please announce changes decided today on the list when made!
Axel Polleres: editors, please announce changes decided today on the list when made! ←
14:39:01 <AndyS> ?? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0183.html says federated is ready for FPWD
Andy Seaborne: ?? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0183.html says federated is ready for FPWD ←
14:39:43 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: concerns with publishing Protocol and Fedrated Query in this round
Axel Polleres: concerns with publishing Protocol and Fedrated Query in this round ←
14:40:33 <AxelPolleres> "... will clarify with Eric, we hold off from publishing right now. "
Axel Polleres: "... will clarify with Eric, we hold off from publishing right now. " ←
14:41:06 <MattPerry> LeeF: I think we should publish a first public working draft of Federated Query
Lee Feigenbaum: I think we should publish a first public working draft of Federated Query ←
14:41:16 <AxelPolleres> if procedure to go to FPWD is quick though, let's go ahead.
Axel Polleres: if procedure to go to FPWD is quick though, let's go ahead. ←
14:41:53 <AxelPolleres> first we need a short name...
Axel Polleres: first we need a short name... ←
14:42:12 <AxelPolleres> sparql11-federated-query
Axel Polleres: sparql11-federated-query ←
14:42:27 <chimezie> +1
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 ←
14:42:31 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:42:31 <AndyS> Looks good ot me
Andy Seaborne: Looks good ot me ←
14:42:33 <LeeF> Sure
Lee Feigenbaum: Sure ←
14:42:35 <souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
14:42:35 <MattPerry> +1
+1 ←
14:42:36 <OlivierCorby> ok
Olivier Corby: ok ←
14:42:45 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
14:42:48 <dcharbon2> +1
David Charboneau: +1 ←
14:42:52 <pgearon> +1
Paula Gearon: +1 ←
14:42:56 <tommik> +1
Tommi Koivula: +1 ←
14:43:15 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service.xml as FPWD under short name sparql11-federated-query
PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service.xml as FPWD under short name sparql11-federated-query ←
14:43:25 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
14:43:28 <souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
14:43:48 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:43:49 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
14:43:52 <MattPerry> +1
+1 ←
14:43:55 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
14:43:56 <dcharbon2> +1
David Charboneau: +1 ←
14:43:57 <tommik> +1
Tommi Koivula: +1 ←
14:43:57 <chimezie> +1
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 ←
14:44:04 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:44:13 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service.xml as FPWD under short name sparql11-federated-query
RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service.xml as FPWD under short name sparql11-federated-query ←
14:44:48 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: no real changes in Protocol, so no need to publish in this round
Axel Polleres: no real changes in Protocol, so no need to publish in this round ←
14:44:51 <AxelPolleres> No publication of protocol in this round, yees?
Axel Polleres: No publication of protocol in this round, yees? ←
14:45:18 <AxelPolleres> topic: issues and schedule
Summary: Update and Entailment publication decision postponed to next time, given that small changes still need approval (cf. respective ACTIONS)
14:45:39 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: negation poll closes issue 29
Axel Polleres: negation poll closes ISSUE-29 ←
14:45:50 <AxelPolleres> direction for negation: Include MINUS as a graph pattern operat. Also include NOT EXISTS and EXISTS as FILTERs.
Axel Polleres: direction for negation: Include MINUS as a graph pattern operat. Also include NOT EXISTS and EXISTS as FILTERs. ←
14:45:56 <AxelPolleres> 9 votes
Axel Polleres: 9 votes ←
14:46:43 <LeeF> ISSUE-29 : Resolved via clear majority from http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/Negation/results
Lee Feigenbaum: ISSUE-29 : Resolved via clear majority from http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/Negation/results ←
14:46:43 <trackbot> ISSUE-29 Should negation be done via a binary operator on subqueries, a binary operator within graph patterns, or a filter+subquery? notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-29 Should negation be done via a binary operator on subqueries, a binary operator within graph patterns, or a filter+subquery? notes added ←
14:46:48 <AxelPolleres> close ISSUE-29 based on http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/Negation/results
Axel Polleres: close ISSUE-29 based on http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/Negation/results ←
14:46:55 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
14:46:56 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-29
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ISSUE-29 ←
14:46:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-29 Should negation be done via a binary operator on subqueries, a binary operator within graph patterns, or a filter+subquery? closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-29 Should negation be done via a binary operator on subqueries, a binary operator within graph patterns, or a filter+subquery? closed ←
14:47:25 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0166.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0166.html ←
14:47:30 <LeeF> If anyone wishes to (not that I would encourage it :-), it's in order to make a formal objection to closing this issue now, or to object at any future WG decision point (e.g. moving to Last Call)
Lee Feigenbaum: If anyone wishes to (not that I would encourage it :-), it's in order to make a formal objection to closing this issue now, or to object at any future WG decision point (e.g. moving to Last Call) ←
14:49:15 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: issue 5, 6, 7, 13 -- what types of queries are allowed as subqueries
Axel Polleres: ISSUE-5, 6, 7, 13 -- what types of queries are allowed as subqueries ←
14:49:37 <souri> +1 for all this (that is to keeping it simple)
Souripriya Das: +1 for all this (that is to keeping it simple) ←
14:50:19 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will only allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within EXISTS FILTERs and HAVING clauses.
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will only allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within EXISTS FILTERs and HAVING clauses. ←
14:51:20 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will only allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within (NOT )EXISTS in FILTERs and HAVING clauses.
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will only allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within (NOT )EXISTS in FILTERs and HAVING clauses. ←
14:51:50 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
14:51:55 <chimezie> the algebriac evaluation just makes my head spin
Chimezie Ogbuji: the algebriac evaluation just makes my head spin ←
14:52:02 <AxelPolleres> ack steveH
Axel Polleres: ack steveH ←
14:52:04 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: any problems with EXISTS in HAVING
Axel Polleres: any problems with EXISTS in HAVING ←
14:52:30 <MattPerry> AndyS: shouldn't be any problems -- HAVING is just a FILTER
Andy Seaborne: shouldn't be any problems -- HAVING is just a FILTER ←
14:52:48 <souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
14:52:51 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
14:52:53 <MattPerry> +1
+1 ←
14:52:58 <OlivierCorby> 0
Olivier Corby: 0 ←
14:53:06 <tommik> +1
Tommi Koivula: +1 ←
14:53:06 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
14:53:07 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
14:53:08 <LeeF> good for me
Lee Feigenbaum: good for me ←
14:53:11 <pgearon> +!
Paula Gearon: +! ←
14:53:11 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:53:14 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
14:53:18 <pgearon> +1
Paula Gearon: +1 ←
14:53:24 <chimezie> 0
Chimezie Ogbuji: 0 ←
14:53:38 <MattPerry> OlivierCorby: It is not very elegant to put a graph pattern in a FILTER
Olivier Corby: It is not very elegant to put a graph pattern in a FILTER ←
14:54:09 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: this ties into resolution of Issue 29
Axel Polleres: this ties into resolution of ISSUE-29 ←
14:54:14 <dcharbon2> +1
David Charboneau: +1 ←
14:54:31 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute ←
14:54:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmute', chimezie ←
14:54:36 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:54:36 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←
14:55:10 <MattPerry> chimezie: are issues 5, 6, 7, 13 tied to issue 29?
Chimezie Ogbuji: are issues 5, 6, 7, 13 tied to ISSUE-29? ←
14:56:04 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: (NOT) EXISTS is the only one tied to Issue 29
Axel Polleres: (NOT) EXISTS is the only one tied to ISSUE-29 ←
14:56:48 <LeeF> Lest my comment earlier (re: publishing HTTP update) be misconstrued - there's nothing wrong with abstaining at all, they don't even really need to be justified at all :)
Lee Feigenbaum: Lest my comment earlier (re: publishing HTTP update) be misconstrued - there's nothing wrong with abstaining at all, they don't even really need to be justified at all :) ←
14:57:01 <MattPerry> chimezie: proliferation of subqueries can be dangerous
Chimezie Ogbuji: proliferation of subqueries can be dangerous ←
14:58:09 <MattPerry> AndyS: nothing special about subqueries -- just allow you to introduce things in the middle of the query
Andy Seaborne: nothing special about subqueries -- just allow you to introduce things in the middle of the query ←
14:59:09 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will at most allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within (NOT )EXISTS in FILTERs and HAVING clauses.
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will at most allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within (NOT )EXISTS in FILTERs and HAVING clauses. ←
15:00:25 <MattPerry> SteveH: there really is no difference for HAVING and FILTER
Steve Harris: there really is no difference for HAVING and FILTER ←
15:01:02 <souri> I agree with AndyS about HAVING
Souripriya Das: I agree with AndyS about HAVING ←
15:01:49 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will only allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within (NOT )EXISTS in FILTERs and HAVING clauses.
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will only allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within (NOT )EXISTS in FILTERs and HAVING clauses. ←
15:02:33 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Lee sent out an email for Property Path teleconference
Axel Polleres: Lee sent out an email for Property Path teleconference ←
15:02:44 <AxelPolleres> http://doodle.com/z56masysu7afi2a4
Axel Polleres: http://doodle.com/z56masysu7afi2a4 ←
15:03:14 <AxelPolleres> We might also add another extra Telecon for http-protocol issues.
Axel Polleres: We might also add another extra Telecon for http-update-protocol issues. ←
15:03:15 <chimezie> bglimm: if you could give me the general idea of how you made lax the fininitess restrictions having already had text for it, would help me with what i need to do
Birte Glimm: if you could give me the general idea of how you made lax the fininitess restrictions having already had text for it, would help me with what i need to do [ Scribe Assist by Chimezie Ogbuji ] ←
15:03:33 <Zakim> -SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH ←
15:03:33 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
15:03:37 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
15:03:41 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby ←
15:03:43 <Zakim> -Lee_Feigenbaum
Zakim IRC Bot: -Lee_Feigenbaum ←
15:03:46 <AndyS> That was "HTTP Update Protocol"
Andy Seaborne: That was "HTTP Update Protocol" ←
15:03:47 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
15:03:51 <Zakim> -dcharbon2
Zakim IRC Bot: -dcharbon2 ←
15:03:57 <Zakim> -tommik
Zakim IRC Bot: -tommik ←
15:04:01 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
15:04:04 <AxelPolleres> s/http-protocol/http-update-protocol/
15:04:09 <Zakim> -souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -souri ←
15:04:10 <AxelPolleres> THanks all!
Axel Polleres: THanks all! ←
15:04:10 <AxelPolleres> Summary: Update and Entailment publication decision postponed to next time, given that small changes still need approval (cf. respective ACTIONS)
15:04:11 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
15:04:13 <SteveH> AndyS, if you have stuff you want to discuss on phone I have 5 mins
Steve Harris: AndyS, if you have stuff you want to discuss on phone I have 5 mins ←
15:04:19 <AxelPolleres> adjourned
Axel Polleres: adjourned ←
15:04:35 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
15:04:50 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
15:04:57 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:04:58 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
15:05:00 <Zakim> Attendees were AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, +1.919.332.aaaa, dcharbon2, pgearon, +1.603.897.aabb, kasei, +1.603.897.aacc, +1.603.897.aadd, MattPerry, +035840564aaee, tommik,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, +1.919.332.aaaa, dcharbon2, pgearon, +1.603.897.aabb, kasei, +1.603.897.aacc, +1.603.897.aadd, MattPerry, +035840564aaee, tommik, ←
15:05:02 <Zakim> ... souri, SteveH, Lee_Feigenbaum, bglimm, Chimezie_Ogbuji, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: ... souri, SteveH, Lee_Feigenbaum, bglimm, Chimezie_Ogbuji, [IPcaller] ←
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