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14:47:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
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14:47:03 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:47:03 <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2010
14:47:12 <ivanh> Chair: IvanH
14:47:31 <ivanH> Regrets: Lee, Axel, Alex
14:52:52 <tommik> yes i'm ready
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Tommi Koivula: yes i'm ready ←
14:53:06 <ivanH> thanks!
Ivan Herman: thanks! ←
14:53:11 <ivanH> scribe: Tommi
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14:53:16 <ivanH> scribenick: tommik
14:53:55 <ivanH> Regrets+ Souri
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14:56:22 <AndyS> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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14:56:22 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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14:56:36 <ivanH> zakim, dial ivanH-voip
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15:00:45 <ivanH> Topic: admin
15:00:47 <ivanH> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-12 last week's minutes
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-12 last week's minutes ←
15:01:52 <AndyS> Next meeting - 2 Feb 2010
Andy Seaborne: Next meeting - 2 Feb 2010 ←
15:01:59 <bglimm> yes
Birte Glimm: yes ←
15:02:03 <bglimm> I hear you
Birte Glimm: I hear you ←
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15:03:12 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P30 is SteveH
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15:03:12 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
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15:03:13 <ivanH> Topic: f2f meeting
15:03:38 <bglimm> I thought we had decided
Birte Glimm: I thought we had decided ←
15:03:42 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
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15:03:45 <tommik> ivanH: where does meeting takes place in europe?
Ivan Herman: where does meeting takes place in europe? ←
15:04:53 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F3
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F3 ←
15:05:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:05:18 <AndyS> I thought we'd decided on Oxford.
Andy Seaborne: I thought we'd decided on Oxford. ←
15:05:51 <SteveH> me too
Steve Harris: me too ←
15:06:21 <tommik> ???: will provide information about hotels etc. in website
Birte Glimm: will provide information about hotels etc. in website ←
15:06:28 <ivanH> s/???/Birte/
15:06:37 <ivanH> Topic: comments
15:06:45 <ivanH> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
15:07:29 <Zakim> +Sandro
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15:07:45 <sandro> (Sorry, another meeting ran late.)
Sandro Hawke: (Sorry, another meeting ran late.) ←
15:08:30 <AndyS> Can chase ldodds for LD-1
Andy Seaborne: Can chase ldodds for LD-1 ←
15:08:57 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
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15:08:57 <Zakim> bglimm was not muted, bglimm
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15:09:26 <tommik> ivanH: kindly responses needed to be sent open questions
Ivan Herman: kindly responses needed to be sent open questions ←
15:11:18 <ivanH> Topic: Test suite
15:13:01 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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15:15:43 <tommik> O
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15:15:57 <tommik> I'm sorry not hearing very well
I'm sorry not hearing very well ←
15:18:27 <SteveH> typing noise
Steve Harris: typing noise ←
15:18:53 <SteveH> who's typing?
Steve Harris: who's typing? ←
15:19:01 <AndyS> 440 tests in the DAWG test suite
Andy Seaborne: 440 tests in the DAWG test suite ←
15:19:06 <tommik> ivanH: it will take time to get tests
Ivan Herman: it will take time to get tests ←
15:19:28 <tommik> ivanH: how many tests in current implementations?
Ivan Herman: how many tests in current implementations? ←
15:19:30 <tommik> ???: none
???: none ←
15:19:39 <SteveH> ???=pgearon
Steve Harris: pgearon=pgearon ←
15:19:46 <tommik> s/???/pgearon/
15:19:47 <AndyS> 199 are syntax tests
Andy Seaborne: 199 are syntax tests ←
15:19:48 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
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15:20:13 <SteveH> Zakim, who's speaking
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15:20:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's speaking', SteveH
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15:20:16 <tommik> bglimm: one could convert some owl test cases
Birte Glimm: one could convert some owl test cases ←
15:21:16 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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15:21:23 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/r2
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/r2 ←
15:21:41 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README.html
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README.html ←
15:21:57 <SteveH> Document Editor Lee Feigenbaum
Steve Harris: Document Editor Lee Feigenbaum ←
15:22:23 <AndyS> Test available via CVS and HTTP: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/
Andy Seaborne: Test available via CVS and HTTP: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/ ←
15:22:29 <AndyS> + a download
Andy Seaborne: + a download ←
15:22:51 <tommik> ivanH: are these done by hand or automatically?
Ivan Herman: are these done by hand or automatically? ←
15:23:13 <SteveH> can we take a moment to find out where the typing noise is coming from, it's making it hard to hear
Steve Harris: can we take a moment to find out where the typing noise is coming from, it's making it hard to hear ←
15:23:21 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/impl-report-ql
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/impl-report-ql ←
15:23:33 <SteveH> before that
Steve Harris: before that ←
15:25:54 <pgearon> I'd like to note that the SPARQL 1 tests were not linked off the SPARQL Query pages
Paula Gearon: I'd like to note that the SPARQL 1 tests were not linked off the SPARQL Query pages ←
15:26:10 <pgearon> I only ever found them via Google searches
Paula Gearon: I only ever found them via Google searches ←
15:26:19 <AndyS> "SPARQL Query pages" = ??
Andy Seaborne: "SPARQL Query pages" = ?? ←
15:28:15 <pgearon> The original tests have several result formats. Some of them are extensible, so I think it should be useable for the next round
Paula Gearon: The original tests have several result formats. Some of them are extensible, so I think it should be useable for the next round ←
15:28:15 <tommik> sandro: the workflow is irrelevant issue, big question is who does them
Sandro Hawke: the workflow is irrelevant issue, big question is who does them ←
15:29:49 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:30:34 <ivanH> ack AndyS
Ivan Herman: ack AndyS ←
15:30:34 <tommik> ivanH: to talk to eric and lee about this topic and find somebody who organizes this work
Ivan Herman: to talk to eric and lee about this topic and find somebody who organizes this work ←
15:31:56 <tommik> ivanH: can andy post about the format to maillist
Ivan Herman: can andy post about the format to maillist ←
15:32:03 <tommik> andy: yes
Andy Seaborne: yes ←
15:32:16 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README.html
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README.html ←
15:32:22 <tommik> ivanH: a wikipage for pointers
Ivan Herman: a wikipage for pointers ←
15:32:57 <ivanH> Topic: publication
15:33:12 <tommik> ivanH: not sure where we are now exactly
Ivan Herman: not sure where we are now exactly ←
15:34:08 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/TestingQuery
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/TestingQuery ←
15:34:54 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Category:Testing
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Category:Testing ←
15:35:44 <tommik> ???: many manual steps, coordination between axel and the editors
???: many manual steps, coordination between axel and the editors ←
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15:37:17 <Prateek> Zakim, +1.937.775.aaaa is Prateek
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15:37:56 <bglimm> Hm, it seems I better only use references to SPARQL 1.0 to not get broken links/fragments
Birte Glimm: Hm, it seems I better only use references to SPARQL 1.0 to not get broken links/fragments ←
15:39:42 <bglimm> I think you have to work on the gen.html file, right?
Birte Glimm: I think you have to work on the gen.html file, right? ←
15:40:33 <dcharbon2> yes
David Charboneau: yes ←
15:40:41 <dcharbon2> yes
David Charboneau: yes ←
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15:42:43 <sandro> Broken fragments:
Sandro Hawke: Broken fragments: ←
15:42:43 <sandro> * http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/gen.html#sec-cvsLog-meat (line 96)
Sandro Hawke: * http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/gen.html#sec-cvsLog-meat (line 96) ←
15:43:18 <tommik> ivanH: editors will do what they can for these
Ivan Herman: editors will do what they can for these ←
15:43:54 <bglimm> I'll check the entailment doc now
Birte Glimm: I'll check the entailment doc now ←
15:45:35 <pgearon> I've done it. I'm just checking to see which are false positives
Paula Gearon: I've done it. I'm just checking to see which are false positives ←
15:46:23 <tommik> sandro: not sure whether publication takes place tomorrow
Sandro Hawke: not sure whether publication takes place tomorrow ←
15:47:26 <bglimm> Do I have to fix: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/gen.html#sec-cvsLog-meat?
Birte Glimm: Do I have to fix: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/gen.html#sec-cvsLog-meat? ←
15:48:47 <AndyS> Some of the query broken links are in the CVS log.
Andy Seaborne: Some of the query broken links are in the CVS log. ←
15:48:56 <ivanH> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:48:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/26-sparql-minutes.html ivan
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15:49:10 <AndyS> ADJOURNED
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15:52:58 <dcharbon2> Ivan, looking at some of the broken links for Protocol - I wonder if they should be fixed or not. For example, this link is broken: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/#grammar and the fix, I guess, would be http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#grammar
David Charboneau: Ivan, looking at some of the broken links for Protocol - I wonder if they should be fixed or not. For example, this link is broken: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/#grammar and the fix, I guess, would be http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#grammar ←
15:53:48 <dcharbon2> however, shouldn't http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ be the same as http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml?
David Charboneau: however, shouldn't http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ be the same as http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml? ←
15:54:09 <bglimm> I have the same problem, but I thought I just point to the old SPARQL spec for now because rq25.xml will be renamed
Birte Glimm: I have the same problem, but I thought I just point to the old SPARQL spec for now because rq25.xml will be renamed ←
15:54:30 <sandro> when in doubt, don't change anything.
Sandro Hawke: when in doubt, don't change anything. ←
15:54:42 <sandro> ... since we don't know what the scripts do.
Sandro Hawke: ... since we don't know what the scripts do. ←
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15:55:00 <Zakim> Attendees were AndyS, Ivan, bglimm, dcharbon2, MattPerry, pgearon, tommik, SteveH, [IPcaller], Sandro, Prateek
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15:56:01 <bglimm> Well, the problem is, how can I reference the SPARQL 1.1 query spec that is published in this round because in the current document is only the new stuff, whereas in this round the draft is merged with the old spec and Axel suggested that I refer to the 1.1 spec throughout
Birte Glimm: Well, the problem is, how can I reference the SPARQL 1.1 query spec that is published in this round because in the current document is only the new stuff, whereas in this round the draft is merged with the old spec and Axel suggested that I refer to the 1.1 spec throughout ←
15:56:54 <sandro> Sorry, I have no idea. E-mail Axel, cc the group.
Sandro Hawke: Sorry, I have no idea. E-mail Axel, cc the group. ←
15:57:22 <sandro> (this is all stuff I solved for RIF and OWL, using my own publication tools, but SPARQL chose not to use them.)
Sandro Hawke: (this is all stuff I solved for RIF and OWL, using my own publication tools, but SPARQL chose not to use them.) ←
15:58:33 <AndyS> What is the W3C normal way of doing this? We were informed that the xmlspec route was the common practice in W3C. What did RIF and OWL use?
Andy Seaborne: What is the W3C normal way of doing this? We were informed that the xmlspec route was the common practice in W3C. What did RIF and OWL use? ←
15:59:15 <sandro> They used something I wrote, which involved keeping the documents on a wiki. I understand some folks prefer not to do that, which I can understand.
Sandro Hawke: They used something I wrote, which involved keeping the documents on a wiki. I understand some folks prefer not to do that, which I can understand. ←
16:00:54 <sandro> I'm afraid I don't know how folks maintain links between documents using xmlspec.
Sandro Hawke: I'm afraid I don't know how folks maintain links between documents using xmlspec. ←
16:44:08 <AndyS> Should we move to using the wiki? I have no experience of either process.
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Andy Seaborne: Should we move to using the wiki? I have no experience of either process. ←
16:48:14 <AxelPolleres> hi all
Axel Polleres: hi all ←
16:48:24 <bglimm> In the beginning the wiki was apparently painful because it was very slow.
Birte Glimm: In the beginning the wiki was apparently painful because it was very slow. ←
16:48:27 <AxelPolleres> (was caught in univ meetings)
Axel Polleres: (was caught in univ meetings) ←
16:48:53 <AxelPolleres> did sandro raise the editorial issues/broken links in tha call?
Axel Polleres: did sandro raise the editorial issues/broken links in tha call? ←
16:48:53 <bglimm> After a server update it seemed to have worked much better, but not all OWL people I know liked it.
Birte Glimm: After a server update it seemed to have worked much better, but not all OWL people I know liked it. ←
16:48:57 <bglimm> yes
Birte Glimm: yes ←
16:49:26 <bglimm> Managing common bib entries and such was very nice with the wiki Boris said.
Birte Glimm: Managing common bib entries and such was very nice with the wiki Boris said. ←
16:50:00 <bglimm> Axel, I've send an email about which links I fixed, but I don't know what to do with the links to SPARQL Query 1.1
Birte Glimm: Axel, I've send an email about which links I fixed, but I don't know what to do with the links to SPARQL Query 1.1 ←
16:50:39 <AndyS> I've done what I can.
Andy Seaborne: I've done what I can. ←
16:50:50 <AxelPolleres> ok. will check now. thanks all
Axel Polleres: ok. will check now. thanks all ←
16:52:24 <pgearon> bglimm, I've gone with links back to Query 1.0 for the time being. Once the anchors appear again I'll update the links to Query 1.1
Paula Gearon: bglimm, I've gone with links back to Query 1.0 for the time being. Once the anchors appear again I'll update the links to Query 1.1 ←
16:53:45 <bglimm> Ok, I could do the same. Axel, do you want m to go back to Query 1.0 links?
Birte Glimm: Ok, I could do the same. Axel, do you want m to go back to Query 1.0 links? ←
16:57:06 <AxelPolleres> yeah, maybe that's the easiest for now, if it's just for the links.
Axel Polleres: yeah, maybe that's the easiest for now, if it's just for the links. ←
16:57:29 <AxelPolleres> you work all directly on the transformed html files, yes?
Axel Polleres: you work all directly on the transformed html files, yes? ←
16:58:20 <AxelPolleres> (I added some boilerplate text which wasn't yet there in the XML versions... we should port that to the XML for the next versions.
Axel Polleres: (I added some boilerplate text which wasn't yet there in the XML versions... we should port that to the XML for the next versions. ←
16:58:22 <AxelPolleres> )
Axel Polleres: ) ←
16:59:04 <AndyS> I edited the XML version - rq25.xml.
Andy Seaborne: I edited the XML version - rq25.xml. ←
17:06:56 <bglimm> I work on the gen.html, but try to also do the changes on the xml version, so that I don't have to fix the next generated file all over again.
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Birte Glimm: I work on the gen.html, but try to also do the changes on the xml version, so that I don't have to fix the next generated file all over again. ←
17:16:49 <bglimm> I tried to run xmlproc on my xml file to generate test.html, but once I upload test.html I get a "you don't have sufficient rights to view this file" error, when I want to see it in the browser or validate it. I didn't want to just overwrite gen.html, so I then decided to just edit gen.html directly
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Birte Glimm: I tried to run xmlproc on my xml file to generate test.html, but once I upload test.html I get a "you don't have sufficient rights to view this file" error, when I want to see it in the browser or validate it. I didn't want to just overwrite gen.html, so I then decided to just edit gen.html directly ←
17:18:25 <bglimm> Axel, I now only have http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-sparql11-entailment-20100126/ not found (that is from the W3C header and points to the then published spec) and http://www.websemanticsjournal.org is still unavailable. I could remove the link from the references to get that fixed.
Birte Glimm: Axel, I now only have http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-sparql11-entailment-20100126/ not found (that is from the W3C header and points to the then published spec) and http://www.websemanticsjournal.org is still unavailable. I could remove the link from the references to get that fixed. ←
17:53:59 <AxelPolleres> hmmm, I find this a bit overpicky by the checker... to be honest. I mean, it complains about 403 from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiset
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Axel Polleres: hmmm, I find this a bit overpicky by the checker... to be honest. I mean, it complains about 403 from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiset ←
17:59:27 <AxelPolleres> I whatever, I just removed the link. maybe just do the same, Birte. THe http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-sparql11-entailment-20100126/ can of course stay, that will be fixed.
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Axel Polleres: I whatever, I just removed the link. maybe just do the same, Birte. THe http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-sparql11-entailment-20100126/ can of course stay, that will be fixed. ←
18:03:15 <bglimm> Ok, I removed that link. Now I only have the broken link to the published spec itself, which is ok as you say
Birte Glimm: Ok, I removed that link. Now I only have the broken link to the published spec itself, which is ok as you say ←
18:06:03 <AxelPolleres> yup.
Axel Polleres: yup. ←
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