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13:55:52 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/08/18-sparql-irc
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13:55:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:55:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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13:55:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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13:55:57 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:55:57 <trackbot> Date: 18 August 2009
13:56:00 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this will be SPARQL ←
13:56:00 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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13:56:04 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
13:56:24 <LeeF> Regrets: BGlimm, Orri, SteveH, LukeWM, AndyS, Bijan
13:56:27 <kasei> didn't get an email off, but re: serv. desc. discovery, michael hausenblas pushed us to look at LRDD on #swig the other day.
Gregory Williams: didn't get an email off, but re: serv. desc. discovery, michael hausenblas pushed us to look at LRDD on #swig the other day. ←
13:56:47 <kasei> dunno if anyone here has any experience with it, or how it differs from the Link: header option already discussed.
Gregory Williams: dunno if anyone here has any experience with it, or how it differs from the Link: header option already discussed. ←
13:56:47 <LeeF> LROD?
Lee Feigenbaum: LROD? ←
13:57:05 <kasei> I was given this link: http://www.hueniverse.com/hueniverse/2009/03/the-discovery-protocol-stack.html
Gregory Williams: I was given this link: http://www.hueniverse.com/hueniverse/2009/03/the-discovery-protocol-stack.html ←
13:57:19 <LeeF> You know what we clearly need? a wiki page with all of these options
Lee Feigenbaum: You know what we clearly need? a wiki page with all of these options ←
13:57:26 <kasei> with the belief that we were only discussing the lrdd layer, not the xrd stuff.
Gregory Williams: with the belief that we were only discussing the lrdd layer, not the xrd stuff. ←
13:57:55 <LeeF> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hammer-discovery-03
Lee Feigenbaum: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hammer-discovery-03 ←
13:58:22 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
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13:58:29 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum
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13:58:42 <Zakim> +??P4
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13:58:53 <LeeF> zakim, Lee_Feigenbaum is m
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13:58:53 <Zakim> +m; got it
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13:58:56 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P4 is me
Alexandre Passant: Zakim, ??P4 is me ←
13:58:56 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
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13:58:57 <LeeF> zakim, m is me
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, m is me ←
13:58:58 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
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13:59:21 <Zakim> +??P7
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13:59:30 <ivan herman> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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13:59:30 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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13:59:31 <SimonS> zakim, ??P7 is me
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13:59:31 <Zakim> +Ivan
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13:59:31 <Zakim> +SimonS; got it
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13:59:48 <SimonS> zakim, mute me
Simon Schenk: zakim, mute me ←
13:59:48 <Zakim> SimonS should now be muted
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13:59:49 <Zakim> +kasei
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14:00:15 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
14:00:15 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
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14:00:18 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
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14:01:03 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:01:03 <Zakim> kasei should no longer be muted
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14:01:59 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:01:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeeF, AlexPassant, SimonS (muted), Ivan, kasei, AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see LeeF, AlexPassant, SimonS (muted), Ivan, kasei, AxelPolleres ←
14:02:02 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
14:02:02 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
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14:02:26 <Zakim> +pgearon
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14:03:26 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-08-18
14:03:48 <LeeF> Scribenick: pgearon
(Scribe set to Paula Gearon)
14:04:00 <LeeF> topic: Admin
14:04:07 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-08-11
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-08-11 ←
14:04:35 <Zakim> + +1.919.663.aaaa
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14:04:37 <pgearon> Lee: we expect to discuss service descriptions, but won't make any firm decisions due to the limited numbers of attendees
Lee Feigenbaum: we expect to discuss service descriptions, but won't make any firm decisions due to the limited numbers of attendees ←
14:04:51 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dial ericP-office ←
14:04:51 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
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14:04:52 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-08-11
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-08-11 ←
14:04:53 <Zakim> +EricP
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14:04:59 <SimonKJ> Zakim, +1.919.663.aaa is SimonKJ
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Scribe problem: the name 'SimonKJ' does not match any of the 60 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Ivan Mikhailov Ivan Herman Jacek Kopecký Janne Saarela Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Kjetil Kjernsmo Lee Feigenbaum Luke Wilson-Mawer Michael Smith Michele Minno Nophadol Jekjantuk Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Simon Schenk Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Timo Westkämper Yoshio Fukushige Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown SimonKJ: Zakim, +1.919.663.aaa is SimonKJ ←
14:04:59 <Zakim> +SimonKJ; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SimonKJ; got it ←
14:05:39 <LeeF> Next meeting: 2009-08-25 @ 15:00 BST / 10:00 EDT SimonKJ to scribe
Lee Feigenbaum: Next meeting: 2009-08-25 @ 15:00 BST / 10:00 EDT SimonKJ to scribe ←
14:05:52 <LeeF> F2f planning - http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F2
Lee Feigenbaum: F2f planning - http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F2 ←
14:08:01 <LeeF> topic: Liaisons
14:08:39 <Zakim> +cory
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14:08:48 <Prateek> Zakim, cory is Prateek
Prateek Jain: Zakim, cory is Prateek ←
14:08:48 <Zakim> +Prateek; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Prateek; got it ←
14:09:28 <Zakim> +??P22
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P22 ←
14:09:39 <KjetilK> Zakim, ??P22 is me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, ??P22 is me ←
14:09:39 <Zakim> +KjetilK; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +KjetilK; got it ←
14:09:47 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me ←
14:09:47 <Zakim> KjetilK should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: KjetilK should now be muted ←
14:09:49 <pgearon> after the document deadlines, but there is still opportunity to make contributions if quick about it
after the document deadlines, but there is still opportunity to make contributions if quick about it ←
14:09:56 <LeeF> (re: RIF)
Lee Feigenbaum: (re: RIF) ←
14:11:56 <pgearon> RIF work is not a formal working group action that we need to track
RIF work is not a formal working group action that we need to track ←
14:12:13 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-71
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-71 ←
14:12:13 <trackbot> ACTION-71 Re-check where to announce F&R (e.g. liaisons) closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-71 Re-check where to announce F&R (e.g. liaisons) closed ←
14:14:13 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:Aggregate
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:Aggregate ←
14:14:17 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:SubSelect
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:SubSelect ←
14:14:37 <pgearon> +q
+q ←
14:14:47 <LeeF> ack pgearon
Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon ←
14:15:52 <pgearon> pgearon: did other forms of assignment (e.g. LET) make the cut?
Paula Gearon: did other forms of assignment (e.g. LET) make the cut? ←
14:15:58 <pgearon> LeeF: no
Lee Feigenbaum: no ←
14:16:38 <LeeF> topic: service description
14:16:42 <ericP> paul, note whirled peas
Eric Prud'hommeaux: paul, note whirled peas ←
14:16:55 <pgearon> LeeF: understand that some of these issues may come up over time, but unless other features are needed for world peace then they probably won't be revised
Lee Feigenbaum: understand that some of these issues may come up over time, but unless other features are needed for world peace then they probably won't be revised ←
14:17:16 <LeeF> most recent service description discovery thread - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0187.html
Lee Feigenbaum: most recent service description discovery thread - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0187.html ←
14:18:01 <pgearon> LeeF: sees 4 main options at the endpoint level. Notes there isn't much support at the query level, except from ericP
Lee Feigenbaum: sees 4 main options at the endpoint level. Notes there isn't much support at the query level, except from ericP ←
14:18:40 <pgearon> option 1: link header that points to a URI where the service description can be downloaded
option 1: link header that points to a URI where the service description can be downloaded ←
14:19:07 <pgearon> ... pros: easy to get to, easy to implement. cons: 2 requests
... pros: easy to get to, easy to implement. cons: 2 requests ←
14:19:55 <LeeF> LRDD http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hammer-discovery-03
Lee Feigenbaum: LRDD http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hammer-discovery-03 ←
14:20:19 <pgearon> LRDD = Link based resource descriptor discovery
LRDD = Link based resource descriptor discovery ←
14:20:56 <pgearon> +q
+q ←
14:21:07 <SimonKJ> +q
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Scribe problem: the name 'SimonKJ' does not match any of the 60 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Ivan Mikhailov Ivan Herman Jacek Kopecký Janne Saarela Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Kjetil Kjernsmo Lee Feigenbaum Luke Wilson-Mawer Michael Smith Michele Minno Nophadol Jekjantuk Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Simon Schenk Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Timo Westkämper Yoshio Fukushige Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown SimonKJ: +q ←
14:21:31 <pgearon> ericP: P3P have tried to use headers. Notes the deployment of this has been low
Eric Prud'hommeaux: P3P have tried to use headers. Notes the deployment of this has been low ←
14:21:58 <pgearon> ericP: little development in parsing headers
Eric Prud'hommeaux: little development in parsing headers ←
14:22:30 <LeeF> ack pgearon
Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon ←
14:22:45 <LeeF> pgearon: think this is relatively clean but the double call is a real issue
Paula Gearon: think this is relatively clean but the double call is a real issue [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:23:01 <LeeF> pgearon: i'd only want to go that way if there was a common URI that the header is likely to point you to so that it's easily guessable
Paula Gearon: i'd only want to go that way if there was a common URI that the header is likely to point you to so that it's easily guessable [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:24:00 <LeeF> pgearon: maybe could specify that once you've said the doc will be at a particular URI it will always be there - to minimize double calls
Paula Gearon: maybe could specify that once you've said the doc will be at a particular URI it will always be there - to minimize double calls [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:24:05 <LeeF> ack SimonKJ
Lee Feigenbaum: ack SimonKJ ←
14:24:08 <KjetilK> +1 to pgearon
Kjetil Kjernsmo: +1 to pgearon ←
14:25:20 <pgearon> SimonKJ: could use HEAD for a similar approach, but haven't yet defined what HEAD means
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Unknown SimonKJ: could use HEAD for a similar approach, but haven't yet defined what HEAD means ←
14:26:10 <pgearon> SimonKJ: other approaches do things like turning the query "on it's head"
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Unknown SimonKJ: other approaches do things like turning the query "on it's head" ←
14:26:55 <pgearon> SimonKJ: thinks there's precedent for option 7 (?) which is a GET on the endpoint alone
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Unknown SimonKJ: thinks there's precedent for option 7 (?) which is a GET on the endpoint alone ←
14:26:57 <LeeF> q?
Lee Feigenbaum: q? ←
14:27:24 <pgearon> SimonKJ: (These comments are mostly around OpenSearch)
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Unknown SimonKJ: (These comments are mostly around OpenSearch) ←
14:27:50 <pgearon> LeeF: would like to discuss all methods, and we'll finish with a straw poll
Lee Feigenbaum: would like to discuss all methods, and we'll finish with a straw poll ←
14:28:05 <LeeF> straw poll on HTTP-Header approach
Lee Feigenbaum: straw poll on HTTP-Header approach ←
14:28:09 <LeeF> +1 - i prefer the method
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 - i prefer the method ←
14:28:13 <LeeF> 0 - i could live with the method
Lee Feigenbaum: 0 - i could live with the method ←
14:28:21 <LeeF> -1 - i'm not too happy with the method
Lee Feigenbaum: -1 - i'm not too happy with the method ←
14:28:32 <pgearon> LeeF: correction, wants to do poll on each option as it is discussed
Lee Feigenbaum: correction, wants to do poll on each option as it is discussed ←
14:28:52 <pgearon> +q
+q ←
14:29:08 <pgearon> ivan herman: are the options mutually exclusive?
ivan herman: are the options mutually exclusive? ←
14:29:18 <pgearon> LeeF: would rather only agree to one
Lee Feigenbaum: would rather only agree to one ←
14:30:34 <pgearon> LeeF: service description could contain info about how to query for the service description
Lee Feigenbaum: service description could contain info about how to query for the service description ←
14:30:51 <LeeF> ack pgearon
Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon ←
14:31:35 <kasei> 0
14:31:35 <LeeF> HTTP-Header straw poll:
Lee Feigenbaum: HTTP-Header straw poll: ←
14:31:38 <ericP> O
14:31:40 <ivan herman> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
14:31:40 <LeeF> 0
Lee Feigenbaum: 0 ←
14:31:42 <AxelPolleres> 0
Axel Polleres: 0 ←
14:31:43 <SimonS> 0
Simon Schenk: 0 ←
14:31:46 <AlexPassant> 0
14:31:46 <Prateek> 0
Prateek Jain: 0 ←
14:31:47 <SimonKJ> 0
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Unknown SimonKJ: 0 ←
14:31:53 <KjetilK> -1
Kjetil Kjernsmo: -1 ←
14:31:53 <pgearon> -1
-1 ←
14:32:15 <pgearon> LeeF: likely to go to more than one option if one of them is for a query and one for HTTP
Lee Feigenbaum: likely to go to more than one option if one of them is for a query and one for HTTP ←
14:32:50 <pgearon> option 2 - use the HTTP OPTION verb on the endpoint URI
option 2 - use the HTTP OPTION verb on the endpoint URI ←
14:33:07 <pgearon> pro - nice use of this underused method
pro - nice use of this underused method ←
14:33:31 <pgearon> con - spec says you can't cache the results of an OPTION
con - spec says you can't cache the results of an OPTION ←
14:33:41 <AlexPassant> q+ to ask about the cache mechanism
Alexandre Passant: q+ to ask about the cache mechanism ←
14:33:48 <LeeF> ack AlexPassant
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AlexPassant ←
14:33:48 <Zakim> AlexPassant, you wanted to ask about the cache mechanism
Zakim IRC Bot: AlexPassant, you wanted to ask about the cache mechanism ←
14:34:07 <kasei> i believe it's MUst Not
Gregory Williams: i believe it's MUst Not ←
14:34:16 <KjetilK> Responses to this method are not cacheable.
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Responses to this method are not cacheable. ←
14:34:21 <KjetilK> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec9.html
Kjetil Kjernsmo: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec9.html ←
14:34:21 <kasei> "Responses to this method are not cacheable."
Gregory Williams: "Responses to this method are not cacheable." ←
14:34:37 <KjetilK> q+
Kjetil Kjernsmo: q+ ←
14:34:37 <pgearon> question was - is the inability to cache a "MUST NOT" or "SHOULD NOT"?
question was - is the inability to cache a "MUST NOT" or "SHOULD NOT"? ←
14:34:44 <LeeF> ack kjetil
Lee Feigenbaum: ack kjetil ←
14:35:41 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me ←
14:35:41 <Zakim> KjetilK should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: KjetilK should now be muted ←
14:35:48 <LeeF> straw poll on OPTIONS:
Lee Feigenbaum: straw poll on OPTIONS: ←
14:35:55 <ivan herman> -1
Ivan Herman: -1 ←
14:35:56 <SimonKJ> -1
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Unknown SimonKJ: -1 ←
14:35:56 <kasei> -1
Gregory Williams: -1 ←
14:35:56 <ericP> o
14:35:56 <KjetilK> 0
Kjetil Kjernsmo: 0 ←
14:35:59 <pgearon> KjetilK: notes that OPTION is easy to implement (contradicting LeeF's concerns earlier), but caching is a major problem here
Kjetil Kjernsmo: notes that OPTION is easy to implement (contradicting LeeF's concerns earlier), but caching is a major problem here ←
14:35:59 <LeeF> -1
Lee Feigenbaum: -1 ←
14:36:02 <pgearon> -1
-1 ←
14:36:03 <ericP> oh
Eric Prud'hommeaux: oh ←
14:36:05 <ericP> 0
14:36:08 <Prateek> 0
Prateek Jain: 0 ←
14:36:10 <AxelPolleres> -1 non-chaability seems to be a major problem
Axel Polleres: -1 non-cachability seems to be a major problem ←
14:36:15 <AlexPassant> -1 (with the cache issue)
Alexandre Passant: -1 (with the cache issue) ←
14:36:15 <SimonS> -1 I love the idea, but no caching is a no-go
Simon Schenk: -1 I love the idea, but no caching is a no-go ←
14:36:31 <AxelPolleres> s/chaability/cachability/
14:36:32 <pgearon> +1 SimonS
+1 SimonS ←
14:36:44 <KjetilK> pgearon, actually, what I said was that I'd like to do this (which is the purist view) and 8, which is the pragmatic and easy way
Kjetil Kjernsmo: pgearon, actually, what I said was that I'd like to do this (which is the purist view) and 8, which is the pragmatic and easy way ←
14:38:09 <pgearon> option 3 - standard query, using content negotiation to get the service description
option 3 - standard query, using content negotiation to get the service description ←
14:38:18 <ivan herman> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:38:19 <kasei> the "conneg" option might not need actual conneg if the endpoint uri returns RDFa
Gregory Williams: the "conneg" option might not need actual conneg if the endpoint uri returns RDFa ←
14:38:40 <pgearon> correction - this is option 7 (not 3)
correction - this is option 7 (not 3) ←
14:38:49 <LeeF> ack ivan
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivan ←
14:39:20 <pgearon> ivan herman: agrees with Kendall that we will get all the HTTP purists up in arms, and it's not worth the fight
ivan herman: agrees with Kendall that we will get all the HTTP purists up in arms, and it's not worth the fight ←
14:39:38 <kasei> q+ about http purists
Gregory Williams: q+ about http purists ←
14:39:47 <pgearon> ivan herman: if a query with CONSTRUCT then will still get back RDF/XML, how will this work?
ivan herman: if a query with CONSTRUCT then will still get back RDF/XML, how will this work? ←
14:39:49 <SimonKJ> +q
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Unknown SimonKJ: +q ←
14:39:55 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
14:40:11 <pgearon> LeeF: this option is uses no query parameter, so you won't have a CONSTRUCT
Lee Feigenbaum: this option is uses no query parameter, so you won't have a CONSTRUCT ←
14:40:32 <LeeF> q?
Lee Feigenbaum: q? ←
14:40:40 <LeeF> ack SimonKJ
Lee Feigenbaum: ack SimonKJ ←
14:40:57 <pgearon> LeeF: endpoints usually return an HTTP form, and this option would break those sites.
Lee Feigenbaum: endpoints usually return an HTTP form, and this option would break those sites. ←
14:41:00 <KjetilK> q+
Kjetil Kjernsmo: q+ ←
14:41:44 <pgearon> SimonKJ: thinks that the common idea of returning a form is unfortunate. We could be obnoxious and take control of the endpoint
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Unknown SimonKJ: thinks that the common idea of returning a form is unfortunate. We could be obnoxious and take control of the endpoint ←
14:42:00 <pgearon> +1 SimonKJ
+1 SimonKJ ←
14:42:01 <AxelPolleres> q+ to ask whether pointer to a form can't be simply part of the description returned.
Axel Polleres: q+ to ask whether pointer to a form can't be simply part of the description returned. ←
14:42:31 <pgearon> I think it's the job of this forum to try to standardize common practice, where possible
I think it's the job of this forum to try to standardize common practice, where possible ←
14:42:32 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:42:32 <Zakim> kasei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should no longer be muted ←
14:42:33 <LeeF> ack kasei
Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei ←
14:43:08 <ivan herman> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:43:19 <pgearon> greg: thinks that HTML at the endpoint SHOULD return a description of the endpoint
Gregory Williams: thinks that HTML at the endpoint SHOULD return a description of the endpoint ←
14:43:55 <pgearon> greg: this would be a human friendly version of the description
Gregory Williams: this would be a human friendly version of the description ←
14:44:04 <LeeF> ack kjetil
Lee Feigenbaum: ack kjetil ←
14:44:10 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
14:44:10 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted ←
14:44:37 <AxelPolleres> q- kjetil was faster :-)
Axel Polleres: q- kjetil was faster :-) ←
14:44:41 <AxelPolleres> q-
Axel Polleres: q- ←
14:44:44 <pgearon> KjetilK: service description could point to this HTML form
Kjetil Kjernsmo: service description could point to this HTML form ←
14:44:45 <SimonKJ> +q
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Unknown SimonKJ: +q ←
14:45:46 <LeeF> q?
Lee Feigenbaum: q? ←
14:46:06 <pgearon> +q
+q ←
14:46:36 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
14:46:37 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me ←
14:46:37 <Zakim> KjetilK should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: KjetilK should now be muted ←
14:46:38 <pgearon> LeeF excuses himself
LeeF excuses himself ←
14:47:06 <pgearon> AxelPolleres is now the chair
AxelPolleres is now the chair ←
14:47:47 <ericP> how do i add Category:Design to http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:Project_Expression in a way that the system will recognize?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: how do i add Category:Design to http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:Project_Expression in a way that the system will recognize? ←
14:47:49 <pgearon> ivan herman: we could have the html containing the additional information about the service description, eg. RDFa or GRDDL
ivan herman: we could have the html containing the additional information about the service description, eg. RDFa or GRDDL ←
14:47:54 <kasei> if we use an html link, we're back to a 2-request scenario.
Gregory Williams: if we use an html link, we're back to a 2-request scenario. ←
14:48:08 <pgearon> ivan herman: or using a link header to request the information
ivan herman: or using a link header to request the information ←
14:48:14 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:48:22 <AxelPolleres> ack ivan
Axel Polleres: ack ivan ←
14:48:45 <kasei> I like the option to use just RDFa or GRDDL to allow option 7 to not use conneg at all
Gregory Williams: I like the option to use just RDFa or GRDDL to allow option 7 to not use conneg at all ←
14:49:12 <pgearon> ivan herman: since most endpoints already return something at the endpoint URI, then this can be useful to provide information
ivan herman: since most endpoints already return something at the endpoint URI, then this can be useful to provide information ←
14:49:37 <AxelPolleres> Option 7': GET would return service description OR an implicit reference in RDFa for instance
Axel Polleres: Option 7': GET would return service description OR an implicit reference in RDFa for instance ←
14:49:45 <AlexPassant> +1 for embedding informations in the form, unfortunately some endpoints do not provide HTML forms :-/
Alexandre Passant: +1 for embedding informations in the form, unfortunately some endpoints do not provide HTML forms :-/ ←
14:49:54 <pgearon> SimonKJ: thinks that only providing RDFa is too big a jump
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Unknown SimonKJ: thinks that only providing RDFa is too big a jump ←
14:50:20 <pgearon> SimonKJ: has some sympathy for the idea, but it's too much
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Unknown SimonKJ: has some sympathy for the idea, but it's too much ←
14:50:31 <kasei> q+ to respond to ivan's html link element
Gregory Williams: q+ to respond to ivan's html link element ←
14:50:41 <SimonKJ> -q
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Scribe problem: the name 'SimonKJ' does not match any of the 60 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Ivan Mikhailov Ivan Herman Jacek Kopecký Janne Saarela Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Kjetil Kjernsmo Lee Feigenbaum Luke Wilson-Mawer Michael Smith Michele Minno Nophadol Jekjantuk Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Simon Schenk Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Timo Westkämper Yoshio Fukushige Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown SimonKJ: -q ←
14:50:46 <AxelPolleres> ack SimonKJ
Axel Polleres: ack SimonKJ ←
14:51:22 <AxelPolleres> paul: RDFa (implementations?) still not quite complete at the moment
Paula Gearon: RDFa (implementations?) still not quite complete at the moment [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:52:23 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:52:27 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:52:27 <Zakim> kasei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should no longer be muted ←
14:52:37 <AlexPassant> q+ to ask about the minimal requirements for content-negociation
Alexandre Passant: q+ to ask about the minimal requirements for content-negociation ←
14:52:57 <AxelPolleres> ack pgearon
Axel Polleres: ack pgearon ←
14:53:01 <AxelPolleres> ack kasei
Axel Polleres: ack kasei ←
14:53:01 <Zakim> kasei, you wanted to respond to ivan's html link element
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei, you wanted to respond to ivan's html link element ←
14:53:10 <pgearon> pgearon: if service description is going to appear in HTML and/or RDFa then I'm no longer opposed to using content negotiation to get an RDF document
Paula Gearon: if service description is going to appear in HTML and/or RDFa then I'm no longer opposed to using content negotiation to get an RDF document ←
14:53:34 <pgearon> greg: ivan's suggestion of a link takes us back to 2 requests
Gregory Williams: ivan's suggestion of a link takes us back to 2 requests ←
14:53:37 <AxelPolleres> kasei: link element would bring us back to Option 1, i.e. 2 requests
Gregory Williams: link element would bring us back to Option 1, i.e. 2 requests [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:53:47 <pgearon> greg = kasei
greg = kasei ←
14:53:47 <ivan herman> and setting up content negotiations might require administrator access in some places...
Ivan Herman: and setting up content negotiations might require administrator access in some places... ←
14:53:51 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
14:53:53 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted ←
14:54:12 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:55:02 <pgearon> 2 straw polls. The first for option 7 pure, with just content negotiation
2 straw polls. The first for option 7 pure, with just content negotiation ←
14:55:09 <ivan herman> -1
Ivan Herman: -1 ←
14:55:10 <pgearon> -1
-1 ←
14:55:10 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
14:55:10 <KjetilK> -1
Kjetil Kjernsmo: -1 ←
14:55:13 <SimonS> -1
Simon Schenk: -1 ←
14:55:15 <SimonKJ> +1
Scribe problem: the name 'SimonKJ' does not match any of the 60 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Ivan Mikhailov Ivan Herman Jacek Kopecký Janne Saarela Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Kjetil Kjernsmo Lee Feigenbaum Luke Wilson-Mawer Michael Smith Michele Minno Nophadol Jekjantuk Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Simon Schenk Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Timo Westkämper Yoshio Fukushige Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'SimonKJ' does not match any of the 60 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Ivan Mikhailov Ivan Herman Jacek Kopecký Janne Saarela Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Kjetil Kjernsmo Lee Feigenbaum Luke Wilson-Mawer Michael Smith Michele Minno Nophadol Jekjantuk Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Simon Schenk Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Timo Westkämper Yoshio Fukushige Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown SimonKJ: +1 ←
14:55:19 <AxelPolleres> 0
Axel Polleres: 0 ←
14:55:23 <Prateek> +1
Prateek Jain: +1 ←
14:55:24 <AlexPassant> +1
Alexandre Passant: +1 ←
14:55:24 <kasei> ouch :)
Gregory Williams: ouch :) ←
14:55:32 <ericP> -.5, i guess
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -.5, i guess ←
14:56:12 <kasei> I'm not entirely clear on what option7 lite is. just the link element?
Gregory Williams: I'm not entirely clear on what option7 lite is. just the link element? ←
14:56:13 <AxelPolleres> Option 7 light: RDF or "RDF implicit"
Axel Polleres: Option 7 light: RDF or "RDF implicit" ←
14:56:15 <pgearon> option 7 lite
option 7 lite ←
14:56:27 <pgearon> Is this - "content negotiation with RDFa and/or human readable form" ?
Is this - "content negotiation with RDFa and/or human readable form" ? ←
14:56:33 <ericP> -1 (should have -1'd the above as well)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -1 (should have -1'd the above as well) ←
14:57:02 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to summarize "suboptions" of option 7
ACTION: Axel to summarize "suboptions" of option 7 ←
14:57:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-81 - Summarize "suboptions" of option 7 [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-08-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-81 - Summarize "suboptions" of option 7 [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-08-25]. ←
14:57:11 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: nearly out of time, we should discuss this explicitly on the mailing list
Axel Polleres: nearly out of time, we should discuss this explicitly on the mailing list ←
14:58:09 <AxelPolleres> Option 8 would be in the protocol as an additioonal query parameter.
Axel Polleres: Option 8 would be in the protocol as an additioonal query parameter. ←
14:59:43 <pgearon> option 8 hasn't had major problems raised against it yet. We need to ask the mailing list for opinions on this
option 8 hasn't had major problems raised against it yet. We need to ask the mailing list for opinions on this ←
14:59:46 <ivan herman> bye all
Ivan Herman: bye all ←
14:59:52 <pgearon> thanks Alex
thanks Alex ←
14:59:53 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
14:59:55 <Zakim> -SimonKJ
Scribe problem: the name 'SimonKJ' does not match any of the 60 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Ivan Mikhailov Ivan Herman Jacek Kopecký Janne Saarela Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Kjetil Kjernsmo Lee Feigenbaum Luke Wilson-Mawer Michael Smith Michele Minno Nophadol Jekjantuk Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Simon Schenk Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Timo Westkämper Yoshio Fukushige Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -SimonKJ ←
14:59:55 <SimonS> bye
Simon Schenk: bye ←
14:59:57 <Zakim> -Ivan Herman
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan Herman ←
14:59:58 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
14:59:59 <Zakim> -Prateek
Zakim IRC Bot: -Prateek ←
15:00:01 <Zakim> -SimonS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SimonS ←
15:00:02 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
15:00:02 <Zakim> -KjetilK
Zakim IRC Bot: -KjetilK ←
15:00:08 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
15:01:01 <AxelPolleres> Option 8 didn't yet go to strawpoll, not sufficient discussion yet, but doesn't seem to have major opposition on the mailinglist.
Axel Polleres: Option 8 didn't yet go to strawpoll, not sufficient discussion yet, but doesn't seem to have major opposition on the mailinglist. ←
15:01:14 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
15:01:15 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
15:01:16 <Zakim> Attendees were AlexPassant, LeeF, Ivan, SimonS, kasei, AxelPolleres, pgearon, +1.919.663.aaaa, EricP, SimonKJ, Prateek, KjetilK
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were AlexPassant, LeeF, Ivan, SimonS, kasei, AxelPolleres, pgearon, +1.919.663.aaaa, EricP, SimonKJ, Prateek, KjetilK ←
15:02:17 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
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