Meeting Record

SPARQL Working Group

Minutes of 21 July 2009

Seen

Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Chimezie Ogbuji, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Gregory Williams, Ivan Herman, John Clark, Kjetil Kjernsmo, Luke Wilson-Mawer, Prateek Jain, Steve Harris, Unknown SimonKJ, Unknown alepas

Scribe

Steve Harris

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

accept minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-07-14 link
Base "SPARQL/Update" on the SPARQL/Update submission link

Topics

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13:54:14 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-sparql-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-sparql-irc ←

13:54:35 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, this will be SPARQL

Axel Polleres: Zakim, this will be SPARQL ←

13:54:35 <Zakim> ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes ←

13:55:27 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started ←

13:55:35 <Zakim> + +3539149aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aaaa ←

13:55:45 <Zakim> + +7.441.173.70.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +7.441.173.70.aabb ←

13:55:45 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaaa is me

Axel Polleres: Zakim, aaaa is me ←

13:55:45 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres; got it ←

13:55:47 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←

13:55:48 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres ←

13:55:56 <Zakim> - +7.441.173.70.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +7.441.173.70.aabb ←

13:56:03 <Zakim> +john-l

Zakim IRC Bot: +john-l ←

13:56:11 <ericP> Zakim, please dail ericP-office

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dail ericP-office ←

13:56:11 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please dail ericP-office', ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'please dail ericP-office', ericP ←

13:56:25 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dial ericP-office ←

13:56:26 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ericP; the call is being made ←

13:56:26 <Zakim> +EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←

13:56:29 <Zakim> + +7.441.173.70.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +7.441.173.70.aacc ←

13:56:55 <AxelPolleres> who dialed in from  +7 ?

Axel Polleres: who dialed in from +7 ? ←

13:57:02 <AndyS> zakim, aacc is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, aacc is me ←

13:57:02 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←

13:57:05 <Zakim> + +200000aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +200000aadd ←

13:57:08 <AndyS> It's the UK dialin

Andy Seaborne: It's the UK dialin ←

13:57:19 <Zakim> + +200000aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +200000aaee ←

13:57:26 <alepas> Zakim, /200000aadd is me

Scribe problem: the name 'alepas' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alexandre Passant Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Ivan Mikhailov Ivan Herman Jacek Kopecký Janne Saarela Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Kjetil Kjernsmo Lee Feigenbaum Luke Wilson-Mawer Michael Smith Michele Minno Nophadol Jekjantuk Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Simon Schenk Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Timo Westkämper Yoshio Fukushige Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown alepas: Zakim, /200000aadd is me ←

13:57:26 <Zakim> sorry, alepas, I do not recognize a party named '/200000aadd'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, alepas, I do not recognize a party named '/200000aadd' ←

13:57:34 <alepas> Zakim, +200000aadd is me

Unknown alepas: Zakim, +200000aadd is me ←

13:57:34 <Zakim> +alepas; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +alepas; got it ←

13:57:40 <AndyS> but zakim usually prints ??P foo for it.  I had to try twice to get in.

Andy Seaborne: but zakim usually prints ??P foo for it. I had to try twice to get in. ←

13:58:10 <Zakim> - +200000aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: - +200000aaee ←

13:59:05 <Zakim> +kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei ←

13:59:09 <kasei> Zakim, mute me

Gregory Williams: Zakim, mute me ←

13:59:09 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted ←

13:59:30 <Zakim> + +0186528aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +0186528aaff ←

13:59:48 <Zakim> +ARonksley

Zakim IRC Bot: +ARonksley ←

13:59:56 <bglimm> Zakim, +0186528aaff

Birte Glimm: Zakim, +0186528aaff ←

13:59:56 <Zakim> I don't understand '+0186528aaff', bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '+0186528aaff', bglimm ←

14:00:06 <bglimm> Zakim, +0186528aaff is bglimm

Birte Glimm: Zakim, +0186528aaff is bglimm ←

14:00:06 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←

14:00:18 <SteveH> can we find out which line were on?

Steve Harris: can we find out which line were on? ←

14:00:19 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←

14:00:19 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←

14:00:28 <Ivan Herman> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←

14:00:28 <Zakim> ok, Ivan Herman; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Ivan Herman; the call is being made ←

14:00:29 <SteveH> what's the code for putting your hand up

Steve Harris: what's the code for putting your hand up ←

14:00:33 <Zakim> +Ivan Herman

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan Herman ←

14:00:40 <LukeWM_> zakim, who is on the phone?

Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

14:00:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, john-l, EricP, AndyS, alepas, kasei (muted), bglimm (muted), ARonksley, Ivan Herman

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AxelPolleres, john-l, EricP, AndyS, alepas, kasei (muted), bglimm (muted), ARonksley, Ivan Herman ←

14:00:42 <AxelPolleres> Who is ARonksley?

Axel Polleres: Who is ARonksley? ←

14:00:56 <Zakim> + +1.919.663.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.919.663.aagg ←

14:01:20 <SteveH> Zakim, ARonksley is [Garlik]

Steve Harris: Zakim, ARonksley is [Garlik] ←

14:01:20 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it ←

14:01:27 <SimonKJ> Zakim, +1.919.663.aagg is SimonKJ

Scribe problem: the name 'SimonKJ' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alexandre Passant Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Ivan Mikhailov Ivan Herman Jacek Kopecký Janne Saarela Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Kjetil Kjernsmo Lee Feigenbaum Luke Wilson-Mawer Michael Smith Michele Minno Nophadol Jekjantuk Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Simon Schenk Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Timo Westkämper Yoshio Fukushige Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown SimonKJ: Zakim, +1.919.663.aagg is SimonKJ ←

14:01:28 <Zakim> +SimonKJ; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SimonKJ; got it ←

14:01:30 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH LukeWM_

Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH LukeWM_ ←

14:01:30 <Zakim> +SteveH, LukeWM_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH, LukeWM_; got it ←

14:01:31 <AxelPolleres> ack ARonklsey

Axel Polleres: ack ARonklsey ←

14:01:34 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q? ←

14:01:43 <SteveH> q-

Steve Harris: q- ←

14:01:46 <SteveH> q=

Steve Harris: q= ←

14:01:51 <SteveH> q?

Steve Harris: q? ←

14:01:51 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q? ←

14:02:00 <SteveH> queue=

Steve Harris: queue= ←

14:02:05 <bglimm> ack ARonksley

Birte Glimm: ack ARonksley ←

14:02:07 <SteveH> queue=""

Steve Harris: queue="" ←

14:02:08 <Zakim> +alepas.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +alepas.a ←

14:02:23 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←

14:02:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, john-l, EricP, AndyS, alepas, kasei (muted), bglimm (muted), [Garlik], Ivan, SimonKJ, alepas.a

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AxelPolleres, john-l, EricP, AndyS, alepas, kasei (muted), bglimm (muted), [Garlik], Ivan, SimonKJ, alepas.a ←

14:02:29 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, LukeWM_

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, LukeWM_ ←

14:02:45 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-07-21

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-07-21 ←

14:03:02 <kjetil_> Zakim, who is talking

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, who is talking ←

14:03:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', kjetil_

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', kjetil_ ←

14:03:11 <SteveH> scribenick SteveH

Steve Harris: scribenick SteveH ←

14:03:15 <kjetil_> Zakim, who is talking?

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, who is talking? ←

14:03:16 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Steve Harris

(Scribe set to Steve Harris)

14:03:25 <Zakim> kjetil_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (12%), alepas.a (6%), Ivan Herman (4%)

Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (12%), alepas.a (6%), Ivan Herman (4%) ←

14:03:37 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji

Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie_Ogbuji ←

14:03:39 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, alepas.a is kjetil

Axel Polleres: Zakim, alepas.a is kjetil ←

14:03:39 <Zakim> +kjetil; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +kjetil; got it ←

14:03:49 <kjetil_> Zakim, alepas.a is me

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, alepas.a is me ←

14:03:49 <Zakim> sorry, kjetil_, I do not recognize a party named 'alepas.a'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kjetil_, I do not recognize a party named 'alepas.a' ←

14:04:38 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-07-14

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-07-14 ←

14:04:45 <SteveH> accept last minutes?

accept last minutes? ←

14:04:53 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: accept minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-07-14

PROPOSED: accept minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-07-14 ←

14:05:11 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: accept minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-07-14

RESOLVED: accept minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-07-14 ←

14:05:53 <SteveH> ericP to scribe next week, but at risk for next 2 meetings

ericP to scribe next week, but at risk for next 2 meetings ←

14:06:11 <kjetil_> Zakim: mute me

14:06:23 <SteveH> greg to scribe is eric not available

greg to scribe is eric not available ←

14:06:32 <Zakim> +Prateek

Zakim IRC Bot: +Prateek ←

14:07:09 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: phase II charter, finalised just now, should go next week

Ivan Herman: phase II charter, finalised just now, should go this week ←

14:07:26 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: should take effect sept 1st

Ivan Herman: should take effect sept 1st ←

14:07:33 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q? ←

14:07:35 <Ivan Herman> s/next week/this week/

14:07:45 <SteveH> queue=

queue= ←

14:07:58 <SteveH> vacation plans

vacation plans ←

14:08:27 <SteveH> wiki page?

wiki page? ←

14:08:40 <SteveH> ACTION: AxelPolleres to setup wiki page

ACTION: AxelPolleres to setup wiki page ←

14:08:40 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - AxelPolleres

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - AxelPolleres ←

14:09:10 <SteveH> ACTION: Axel to setup wiki page to capture vacation times

ACTION: Axel to setup wiki page to capture vacation times ←

14:09:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Setup wiki page to capture vacation times [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-07-28].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-61 - Setup wiki page to capture vacation times [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-07-28]. ←

14:09:25 <SteveH> Liassons

Liassons ←

14:09:33 <SteveH> no news from OWL

no news from OWL ←

14:09:35 <ericP> nothing from HCLS

Eric Prud'hommeaux: nothing from HCLS ←

14:09:46 <SteveH> nothing from XQuery

nothing from XQuery ←

14:09:54 <SteveH> nothing from RIF

nothing from RIF ←

14:10:07 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←

14:10:07 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←

14:10:09 <SteveH> nothing from RDB2RDF

nothing from RDB2RDF ←

14:10:21 <SteveH> Actions...

Actions... ←

14:11:44 <SteveH> SPARQL Update reviews were done

SPARQL Update reviews were done ←

14:12:18 <SteveH> ericP: I have implemented SPARUL a coulpe of times

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I have implemented SPARUL a coulpe of times ←

14:12:32 <SteveH> ericP: went a bit beyond the draft, with [some stuff couldn't hear]

Eric Prud'hommeaux: went a bit beyond the draft, with [some stuff couldn't hear] ←

14:12:38 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Eric to add review/experiences on SPARQL/update

ACTION: Eric to add review/experiences on SPARQL/update ←

14:12:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Add review/experiences on SPARQL/update [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-07-28].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-62 - Add review/experiences on SPARQL/update [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-07-28]. ←

14:13:33 <SteveH> kjetil_: action 58 is done

Kjetil Kjernsmo: ACTION-58 is done ←

14:14:34 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0061.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0061.html ←

14:15:49 <SimonKJ> on #60, I didn't follow up on Kjetil's mail as I thought it, and Andy's response, summarized things well and I didn't feel I could add anything

Unknown SimonKJ: on #60, I didn't follow up on Kjetil's mail as I thought it, and Andy's response, summarized things well and I didn't feel I could add anything ←

14:15:56 <SteveH> SPARQL/Update

SPARQL/Update ←

14:16:07 <kjetil_> SimonKJ: ok, that's fine

Unknown SimonKJ: ok, that's fine [ Scribe Assist by Kjetil Kjernsmo ] ←

14:16:28 <SteveH> AlexPassant: ok with the submission

Alexandre Passant: ok with the submission ←

14:16:48 <SteveH> AlexPassant: INSERT two forms, feels that it would be easier for the end user to only have one

Alexandre Passant: INSERT two forms, feels that it would be easier for the end user to only have one ←

14:17:08 <SteveH> AlexPassant: Add ing a MOVE keyword would be more convienient

Alexandre Passant: Add ing a MOVE keyword would be more convienient ←

14:17:23 <SteveH> AlexPassant: [seomthing] would be better in the protocol than the language

Alexandre Passant: SILENT would be better in the protocol than the language ←

14:17:37 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0069.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0069.html ←

14:18:06 <AlexPassant> s/[seomthing]/SILENT

14:18:16 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0073.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0073.html ←

14:18:25 <SteveH> LukeWM_, no strong opinions

LukeWM_, no strong opinions ←

14:18:36 <SteveH> LukeWM_, thought INSERT/UPDATE would be better in protocol?

LukeWM_, thought INSERT/UPDATE would be better in protocol? ←

14:18:57 <SteveH> LukeWM_, there are a bunch of verbs no clear when you can use WHERE etc.

LukeWM_, there are a bunch of verbs no clear when you can use WHERE etc. ←

14:19:05 <SteveH> LukeWM_, not clear when you should use MODIFY

LukeWM_, not clear when you should use MODIFY ←

14:19:33 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: hoping for comments on that review

Axel Polleres: hoping for comments on that review ←

14:19:55 <SteveH> ericP: people can rework grammars

Eric Prud'hommeaux: people can rework grammars ←

14:20:10 <AxelPolleres> Eric, pointer to grammar tool to extend change the grammar.

Axel Polleres: Eric, pointer to grammar tool to extend change the grammar. ←

14:20:11 <SteveH> AndyS: is it the same one in the submissions

Andy Seaborne: is it the same one in the submissions ←

14:20:21 <SteveH> ericP: no, it's the same as the one in the comment

Eric Prud'hommeaux: no, it's the same as the one in the comment ←

14:20:23 <ericP> all of my comments are in http://www.w3.org/Submission/2008/04/Comment

Eric Prud'hommeaux: all of my comments are in http://www.w3.org/Submission/2008/04/Comment ←

14:20:50 <SteveH> sorry, those LukeWM_,'s should be :'s

sorry, those LukeWM_,'s should be :'s ←

14:21:07 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARUL_EGP?lang=perl&markup=html

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARUL_EGP?lang=perl&markup=html ←

14:21:18 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARUL?lang=perl&markup=html

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARUL?lang=perl&markup=html ←

14:21:33 <SteveH> ericP, tweaked version of grammar

ericP, tweaked version of grammar ←

14:21:40 <SteveH> ericP: tweaked version of grammar

Eric Prud'hommeaux: tweaked version of grammar ←

14:21:54 <LukeWM_> looks really useful, ericP

Luke Wilson-Mawer: looks really useful, ericP ←

14:22:00 <SteveH> ericP: can try tweaking the grammar and see if it  still works

Eric Prud'hommeaux: can try tweaking the grammar and see if it still works ←

14:22:34 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0076.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0076.html ←

14:22:52 <SteveH> SimonKJ: transactions, good to be clear upfront that transactions are out of scope

Unknown SimonKJ: transactions, good to be clear upfront that transactions are out of scope ←

14:23:11 <SteveH> SimonKJ: if youre a SQL dev. then INSERT+DEL is normal, but in a transaction

Unknown SimonKJ: if youre a SQL dev. then INSERT+DEL is normal, but in a transaction ←

14:23:21 <AxelPolleres> Simon, transactions missing for intuitive way to "MOVE"

Axel Polleres: Simon, transactions missing for intuitive way to "MOVE" ←

14:23:24 <SteveH> SimonKJ: having a move would let us make it atomic

Unknown SimonKJ: having a move would let us make it atomic ←

14:23:26 <SteveH> q+

q+ ←

14:23:36 <SteveH> SimonKJ: same concerns about INSERT two forms

Unknown SimonKJ: same concerns about INSERT two forms ←

14:23:44 <SteveH> SimonKJ: went from not liking to neutral

Unknown SimonKJ: went from not liking to neutral ←

14:24:10 <SteveH> SimonKJ: on UPDATE there is some wording around graphs existing or not, should eb consistent

Unknown SimonKJ: on UPDATE there is some wording around graphs existing or not, should eb consistent ←

14:24:21 <SteveH> SimonKJ: add some wording to sections that dont mention

Unknown SimonKJ: add some wording to sections that dont mention ←

14:24:35 <SteveH> SimonKJ: CLEAR needs some expansion, "does not remove graph"

Unknown SimonKJ: CLEAR needs some expansion, "does not remove graph" ←

14:24:38 <AxelPolleres> SimonKJ: What happens on updates on non-existing graphs?

Unknown SimonKJ: What happens on updates on non-existing graphs? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←

14:24:49 <SteveH> SimonKJ: security seems to be out of band

Unknown SimonKJ: security seems to be out of band ←

14:25:00 <SteveH> SimonKJ: will be important in the protocol

Unknown SimonKJ: will be important in the protocol ←

14:25:09 <AxelPolleres> ack SteveH

Axel Polleres: ack SteveH ←

14:25:18 <Zakim> -kjetil

Zakim IRC Bot: -kjetil ←

14:26:11 <AxelPolleres> (steve pls summarize your comment on IRC I possible)

Axel Polleres: (steve pls summarize your comment on IRC I possible) ←

14:27:38 <SteveH> AndyS: MOVE gives the impl. more scope to impose atomicity

Andy Seaborne: MOVE gives the impl. more scope to impose atomicity ←

14:27:41 <AxelPolleres> Andy: It is more an implementation issue how to support atomicity.

Andy Seaborne: It is more an implementation issue how to support atomicity. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←

14:28:08 <AndyS> q+ to make a meta point

Andy Seaborne: q+ to make a meta point ←

14:28:11 <Zakim> +[Garlik.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik.a] ←

14:28:15 <SteveH> q-

q- ←

14:28:26 <SimonKJ> if SteveH could comment on email we can pick up the discussion there

Unknown SimonKJ: if SteveH could comment on email we can pick up the discussion there ←

14:28:48 <AndyS> q-

Andy Seaborne: q- ←

14:28:55 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: suggest that we confirm to use SPARUL as the basis for SPARQL/Update

Axel Polleres: suggest that we confirm to use SPARUL as the basis for SPARQL/Update ←

14:29:02 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←

14:29:08 <SteveH> +1

+1 ←

14:29:09 <kjetil_> +1

Kjetil Kjernsmo: +1 ←

14:29:32 <Ivan Herman> +1

Ivan Herman: +1 ←

14:29:39 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q? ←

14:29:42 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1 ←

14:29:42 <SteveH> what does "formally" mean in this case?

what does "formally" mean in this case? ←

14:29:44 <AlexPassant> +1

Alexandre Passant: +1 ←

14:29:45 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1 ←

14:29:53 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1 ←

14:30:00 <chimezie> +1

Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 ←

14:30:08 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Base "SPARQL/Update" on the SPARQL/Update submission

PROPOSED: Base "SPARQL/Update" on the SPARQL/Update submission ←

14:30:12 <Ivan Herman> =1

Ivan Herman: =1 ←

14:30:14 <Ivan Herman> +1

Ivan Herman: +1 ←

14:30:16 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1 ←

14:30:36 <SteveH> no objections, no abstentions

no objections, no abstentions ←

14:30:41 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Base "SPARQL/Update" on the SPARQL/Update submission

RESOLVED: Base "SPARQL/Update" on the SPARQL/Update submission ←

14:30:52 <AndyS> I think there is a significant amount of work to be done (e.g. formal model, do graphs exists at all times, MOVE, ...)

Andy Seaborne: I think there is a significant amount of work to be done (e.g. formal model, do graphs exists at all times, MOVE, ...) ←

14:31:23 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: Andy has some points to raise

Axel Polleres: Andy has some points to raise ←

14:31:44 <AxelPolleres> AndyS: formal model missing

Andy Seaborne: formal model missing [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←

14:31:45 <kjetil_> q+

Kjetil Kjernsmo: q+ ←

14:31:49 <SteveH> AndyS: there's no formal model of what's going on, have to create a structure

Andy Seaborne: there's no formal model of what's going on, have to create a structure ←

14:32:00 <AxelPolleres> ... emtpy graphs issue

Axel Polleres: ... emtpy graphs issue ←

14:32:03 <SteveH> AndyS: do graphs exist without triples etc.

Andy Seaborne: do graphs exist without triples etc. ←

14:32:07 <Ivan Herman> q+

Ivan Herman: q+ ←

14:32:17 <SteveH> AndyS: can you mix queries and updates, how do they work together

Andy Seaborne: can you mix queries and updates, how do they work together ←

14:32:30 <SteveH> AndyS: something we would concoiusly decide not to do

Andy Seaborne: something we would concoiusly decide not to do ←

14:32:43 <SteveH> AndyS: ASK in update

Andy Seaborne: ASK in update ←

14:32:50 <AxelPolleres> ... can you mix queries and updates in one operation?

Axel Polleres: ... can you mix queries and updates in one operation? ←

14:32:50 <SteveH> Subslect is maybe a better example

Subslect is maybe a better example ←

14:33:04 <SteveH> AxelPolleres, WHEREs?

AxelPolleres, WHEREs? ←

14:33:23 <SteveH> AndyS: eg. only apply some update under these conditions

Andy Seaborne: eg. only apply some update under these conditions ←

14:33:40 <SteveH> AndyS: could have an ASK to fail some request depending on result

Andy Seaborne: could have an ASK to fail some request depending on result ←

14:33:57 <ericP> q?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q? ←

14:34:12 <SteveH> AndyS: there are issues like this that need to be covered, need to be sure were solving the right problem

Andy Seaborne: there are issues like this that need to be covered, need to be sure were solving the right problem ←

14:34:16 <AxelPolleres> ack kjetil

Axel Polleres: ack kjetil ←

14:34:36 <SteveH> kjetil_: some of the comments, I agree with, to MODIFY verb, do we need it?

Kjetil Kjernsmo: some of the comments, I agree with, to MODIFY verb, do we need it? ←

14:34:41 <AxelPolleres> (sounds like an issue to me)

Axel Polleres: (sounds like an issue to me) ←

14:34:58 <ericP> AndyS, do your ASK {  } INSERT {... } scenarios require a super-language anyways?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: AndyS, do your ASK { } INSERT {... } scenarios require a super-language anyways? ←

14:35:08 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q? ←

14:35:24 <AndyS> EricP, you mean SPARQL/Scripting? :-)

Andy Seaborne: EricP, you mean SPARQL/Scripting? :-) ←

14:35:30 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: wondering whether the changes we plan on the QL, what effect will they have on the update lang

Ivan Herman: wondering whether the changes we plan on the QL, what effect will they have on the update lang ←

14:35:36 <kjetil_> I also feel that DELETE is a bit verbose and could be simplified

Kjetil Kjernsmo: I also feel that DELETE is a bit verbose and could be simplified ←

14:35:52 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: project expressions etc. do they affect the update language

Ivan Herman: project expressions etc. do they affect the update language ←

14:35:52 <AxelPolleres> also sounds like an issue.

Axel Polleres: also sounds like an issue. ←

14:35:55 <kjetil_> I think it is quite close to a FP WD, but Last Call is further away

Kjetil Kjernsmo: I think it is quite close to a FP WD, but Last Call is further away ←

14:36:09 <AndyS> +1 to kjetil_

Andy Seaborne: +1 to kjetil_ ←

14:36:14 <LukeWM_> q+

Luke Wilson-Mawer: q+ ←

14:36:23 <AxelPolleres> ack Ivan Herman

Axel Polleres: ack Ivan Herman ←

14:36:24 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: difficut to put as an issue

Ivan Herman: difficut to put as an issue ←

14:36:43 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: whenever we discuss adding to query lang, whether it could affect update

Ivan Herman: whenever we discuss adding to query lang, whether it could affect update ←

14:36:48 <AxelPolleres> ack LukeWM

Axel Polleres: ack LukeWM ←

14:37:07 <SteveH> LukeWM_: I think Ivan Herman has a point, worried about inference, has someone else had expereince

Luke Wilson-Mawer: I think Ivan Herman has a point, worried about inference, has someone else had expereince ←

14:37:28 <SteveH> AndyS: it ruins your post conditions, you can delete triples but still there

Andy Seaborne: it ruins your post conditions, you can delete triples but still there ←

14:37:41 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: what's the equivalent of subquery?

Ivan Herman: what's the equivalent of subquery? ←

14:38:25 <SteveH> AndyS: not sure which way round, "can you have subselects inside" where, and "select which has an insert inside it" or "nested inserts and deletes"

Andy Seaborne: not sure which way round, "can you have subselects inside" where, and "select which has an insert inside it" or "nested inserts and deletes" ←

14:38:32 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: the second one

Ivan Herman: the second one ←

14:39:02 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: we need a draft on the table, in order to get interactions

Axel Polleres: we need a draft on the table, in order to get interactions ←

14:39:16 <SteveH> q?

q? ←

14:39:45 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←

14:39:45 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←

14:39:49 <SteveH> looking for volunteer

looking for volunteer ←

14:40:03 <SteveH> to summarise issues that have come up

to summarise issues that have come up ←

14:40:25 <LukeWM_> +1 to wikipage

Luke Wilson-Mawer: +1 to wikipage ←

14:40:26 <SteveH> ericP: what about a wiki page

Eric Prud'hommeaux: what about a wiki page ←

14:40:28 <SteveH> +1

+1 ←

14:41:09 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: start wikipage on Update issues

ACTION: start wikipage on Update issues ←

14:41:09 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - start

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - start ←

14:41:20 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Luke to start wikipage on Update issues

ACTION: Luke to start wikipage on Update issues ←

14:41:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Start wikipage on Update issues [on Luke Wilson-Mawer - due 2009-07-28].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-63 - Start wikipage on Update issues [on Luke Wilson-Mawer - due 2009-07-28]. ←

14:42:09 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: timeline towards FPWD, in charter we'll have tight timeline, should have FPWD by end of Sept.

Axel Polleres: timeline towards FPWD, in charter we'll have tight timeline, should have FPWD by end of Sept. ←

14:42:22 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: in next week or so should identify editors

Axel Polleres: in next week or so should identify editors ←

14:42:39 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: base on update submission to draft new document

Axel Polleres: base on update submission to draft new document ←

14:43:02 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: all issues in draft in next few months, need reviewers etc.

Axel Polleres: all issues in draft in next few months, need reviewers etc. ←

14:43:30 <SteveH> need to draft new features in sparql/query

need to draft new features in sparql/query ←

14:43:33 <kjetil_> could we have a straw poll on HTTP REST Update?

Kjetil Kjernsmo: could we have a straw poll on HTTP REST Update? ←

14:43:40 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Template:DesignQL

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Template:DesignQL ←

14:43:55 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: template to help draft extensions

Axel Polleres: template to help draft extensions ←

14:44:07 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: should lead to draft of sparql/query

Axel Polleres: should lead to draft of sparql/query ←

14:44:24 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: volunteers for features

Axel Polleres: volunteers for features ←

14:44:44 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: people championed features, and filed out strawman

Axel Polleres: people championed features, and filed out strawman ←

14:44:56 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: recruit as subsection editors

Axel Polleres: recruit as subsection editors ←

14:45:04 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: do people think that's a good approach

Axel Polleres: do people think that's a good approach ←

14:45:16 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q? ←

14:45:43 <SteveH> might do subquery

might do subquery ←

14:45:49 <SteveH> time permitting

time permitting ←

14:45:54 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:SubSelect

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:SubSelect ←

14:46:30 <kjetil_> I hope to write test cases if we continue our W3C membership

Kjetil Kjernsmo: I hope to write test cases if we continue our W3C membership ←

14:46:33 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: people responsible for those sections

Axel Polleres: people responsible for those sections ←

14:47:19 <SteveH> project expresions...

project expresions... ←

14:47:52 <SteveH> aggregates...

aggregates... ←

14:48:02 <SteveH> chimezie: I'll volunteer

Chimezie Ogbuji: I'll volunteer ←

14:48:12 <SteveH> first strawman in 2 weeks

first strawman in 2 weeks ←

14:48:15 <SteveH> negation...

negation... ←

14:48:26 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: lots of discussion already

Axel Polleres: lots of discussion already ←

14:48:30 <SteveH> AndyS: will do negation

Andy Seaborne: will do negation ←

14:48:39 <SteveH> ericP: I was about to

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I was about to ←

14:48:59 <SteveH> ericP: project exp. tied closely with subselect

Eric Prud'hommeaux: project exp. tied closely with subselect ←

14:49:15 <SteveH> ericP: it might improve my attitude

Eric Prud'hommeaux: it might improve my attitude ←

14:49:28 <SteveH> ericP to do project expressions

ericP to do project expressions ←

14:49:44 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: plan is to have draft on wiki under templates in 2 weeks

Axel Polleres: plan is to have draft on wiki under templates in 2 weeks ←

14:49:46 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q? ←

14:50:08 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: steve to draft subqueries in template

ACTION: steve to draft subqueries in template ←

14:50:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Draft subqueries in template [on Steve Harris - due 2009-07-28].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-64 - Draft subqueries in template [on Steve Harris - due 2009-07-28]. ←

14:50:20 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Eric to draft project expressions

ACTION: Eric to draft project expressions ←

14:50:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Draft project expressions [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-07-28].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-65 - Draft project expressions [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-07-28]. ←

14:50:31 <SteveH> due date is wrong

due date is wrong ←

14:50:32 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: chime to draft aggregates

ACTION: chime to draft aggregates ←

14:50:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-66 - Draft aggregates [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2009-07-28].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-66 - Draft aggregates [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2009-07-28]. ←

14:50:50 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Andy to draft negation

ACTION: Andy to draft negation ←

14:50:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - Draft negation  [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-07-28].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-67 - Draft negation [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-07-28]. ←

14:51:05 <SteveH> ericP: what form of negation are we talking about?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: what form of negation are we talking about? ←

14:51:11 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: good question

Ivan Herman: good question ←

14:51:19 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: that's not been decided

Axel Polleres: that's not been decided ←

14:51:23 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←

14:51:23 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←

14:51:28 <SteveH> ericP: would be decided by who drafted it

Eric Prud'hommeaux: would be decided by who drafted it ←

14:51:40 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: should we discuss it before we draft it out

Axel Polleres: should we discuss it before we draft it out ←

14:52:15 <SteveH> ericP: the working group understands the two problems fairly well, still at wiki stage, until we select one we can't put it into draft

Eric Prud'hommeaux: the working group understands the two problems fairly well, still at wiki stage, until we select one we can't put it into draft ←

14:52:29 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: can we reach agreement on that in the time remaining

Axel Polleres: can we reach agreement on that in the time remaining ←

14:52:57 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: wither draft something pointing out both options, how either would work, or...

Axel Polleres: wither draft something pointing out both options, how either would work, or... ←

14:53:09 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: but could put on agenda for next week

Axel Polleres: but could put on agenda for next week ←

14:53:34 <SteveH> ericP: I prefer to keep sketching in the place where it is now

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I prefer to keep sketching in the place where it is now ←

14:53:41 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Template:DesignQL

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Template:DesignQL ←

14:53:45 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: actions are to put it into design templates

Axel Polleres: actions are to put it into design templates ←

14:53:46 <Zakim> -[Garlik.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[Garlik.a] ←

14:54:04 <SteveH> ericP: prefer not to put it there yet, better to discuss on wiki

Eric Prud'hommeaux: prefer not to put it there yet, better to discuss on wiki ←

14:54:20 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: all the drafts go into feature sketch places?

Axel Polleres: all the drafts go into feature sketch places? ←

14:54:31 <SteveH> ericP: good trackability

Eric Prud'hommeaux: good trackability ←

14:54:49 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: the idea of templates is to bring into existing spec structure

Axel Polleres: the idea of templates is to bring into existing spec structure ←

14:55:17 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: seems that negation is still a bit open, maybe good discussion for next week

Axel Polleres: seems that negation is still a bit open, maybe good discussion for next week ←

14:55:27 <SteveH> AndyS: what are you hoping to achieve

Andy Seaborne: what are you hoping to achieve ←

14:55:34 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: agreement on which way to go

Axel Polleres: agreement on which way to go ←

14:55:45 <SteveH> AndyS: email seemed to peter out

Andy Seaborne: email seemed to peter out ←

14:56:16 <SteveH> AndyS: more support from people not dealing with theory for FILTER, waiting for discussion to complete

Andy Seaborne: more support from people not dealing with theory for FILTER, waiting for discussion to complete ←

14:56:29 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: waiting for clarification

Axel Polleres: waiting for clarification ←

14:56:49 <SteveH> ericP: AndyS was going to write down algebra for FILTER, ericP was going to work out MINUS approach

Eric Prud'hommeaux: AndyS was going to write down algebra for FILTER, ericP was going to work out MINUS approach ←

14:56:55 <SteveH> q+

q+ ←

14:56:56 <AndyS> Andy has done that.

Andy Seaborne: Andy has done that. ←

14:57:14 <SteveH> ericP will do algebra for FILTER approach

ericP will do algebra for FILTER approach ←

14:57:18 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Eric to sketch algebra for minus.

ACTION: Eric to sketch algebra for minus. ←

14:57:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - Sketch algebra for minus. [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-07-28].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-68 - Sketch algebra for minus. [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-07-28]. ←

14:57:40 <SteveH> AndyS: one of the important questions is are there any usecases where MINUS can express things that FILTER can't

Andy Seaborne: one of the important questions is are there any usecases where MINUS can express things that FILTER can't ←

14:57:47 <AxelPolleres> AndyS: Are ther use cases where minus can express what unsaid can't?

Andy Seaborne: Are ther use cases where minus can express what unsaid can't? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←

14:57:52 <SteveH> AndyS: what real usecases are we trying to address

Andy Seaborne: what real usecases are we trying to address ←

14:58:23 <SteveH> ericP: I hear pushback from people who like monotonic from people who like NAF

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I hear pushback from people who like monotonic from people who like NAF ←

14:58:57 <SteveH> ericP: in terms of what you can express, if you do a set minus, where it's close to a relational set minus, then there are a case where !bounds have a particular effect

Eric Prud'hommeaux: in terms of what you can express, if you do a set minus, where it's close to a relational set minus, then there are a case where !bounds have a particular effect ←

14:59:07 <AxelPolleres> Eric, can you point us to the email with the example?

Axel Polleres: Eric, can you point us to the email with the example? ←

14:59:10 <Zakim> +[Garlik.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik.a] ←

14:59:11 <AndyS> q+ to ask where eric heard that

Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask where eric heard that ←

14:59:12 <SteveH> ericP: it comes down to what happens when you've got optionals that aren't bound on the outside

Eric Prud'hommeaux: it comes down to what happens when you've got optionals that aren't bound on the outside ←

14:59:24 <SteveH> ericP: in the general case their identical

Eric Prud'hommeaux: in the general case their identical ←

14:59:35 <AxelPolleres> ack SteveH

Axel Polleres: ack SteveH ←

14:59:53 <LukeWM_> I can scribe for steve ...

Luke Wilson-Mawer: I can scribe for steve ... ←

15:00:02 <Ivan Herman> q+ a side issue for the minutes...

Ivan Herman: q+ a side issue for the minutes... ←

15:00:05 <AxelPolleres> SteveH: people who don't care about theory mostly care about theory?

Steve Harris: people who don't care about syntax mostly care about syntax? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←

15:00:16 <AxelPolleres> s/about theory/about syntax/

15:00:17 <Ivan Herman> q+ to report a side issue before he has to go

Ivan Herman: q+ to report a side issue before he has to go ←

15:00:35 <LukeWM_> AndyS: can you back that up?

Andy Seaborne: can you back that up? [ Scribe Assist by Luke Wilson-Mawer ] ←

15:01:06 <kjetil_> q+ to ask about completion of F&R

Kjetil Kjernsmo: q+ to ask about completion of F&R ←

15:01:28 <SteveH> AndyS: wanted to ask ericP where he was getting pushback from

Andy Seaborne: wanted to ask ericP where he was getting pushback from ←

15:01:37 <SteveH> ericP: from experience of previous WG

Eric Prud'hommeaux: from experience of previous WG ←

15:01:49 <SteveH> ericP: when we have UNSAID we had objections

Eric Prud'hommeaux: when we have UNSAID we had objections ←

15:01:57 <SteveH> AndyS but we didn't have minus at that time

AndyS but we didn't have minus at that time ←

15:02:04 <SteveH> AndyS: but we didn't have minus at that time

Andy Seaborne: but we didn't have minus at that time ←

15:02:15 <SteveH> ericP: it's easier to express that to them as it's this minus that

Eric Prud'hommeaux: it's easier to express that to them as it's this minus that ←

15:02:25 <SteveH> ericP: I think it would be a more appealing algebra

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I think it would be a more appealing algebra ←

15:02:51 <Ivan Herman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2009JulSep/0013.html

Ivan Herman: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2009JulSep/0013.html ←

15:02:52 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: ericP can you elaborate on the usecase differences

Axel Polleres: ericP can you elaborate on the usecase differences ←

15:03:04 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: charter call has just gone out

Ivan Herman: charter call has just gone out ←

15:03:04 <AxelPolleres> Charter call has gone out.

Axel Polleres: Charter call has gone out. ←

15:03:13 <SteveH> Ivan Herman: get your AC reps to vote

Ivan Herman: get your AC reps to vote ←

15:03:18 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q? ←

15:03:22 <Ivan Herman> q-

Ivan Herman: q- ←

15:03:25 <AndyS> q-

Andy Seaborne: q- ←

15:03:27 <kjetil_> when is the deadline for voting?

Kjetil Kjernsmo: when is the deadline for voting? ←

15:03:29 <kjetil_> ack me

Kjetil Kjernsmo: ack me ←

15:03:29 <Zakim> kjetil_, you wanted to ask about completion of F&R

Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil_, you wanted to ask about completion of F&R ←

15:03:39 <Zakim> -Ivan Herman

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan Herman ←

15:03:39 <AxelPolleres> ack kjetil

Axel Polleres: ack kjetil ←

15:03:41 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji

Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie_Ogbuji ←

15:03:52 <SteveH> kjetil_: completion of F&R

Kjetil Kjernsmo: completion of F&R ←

15:04:02 <SteveH> kjetil_: do we have any plan for the completion

Kjetil Kjernsmo: do we have any plan for the completion ←

15:04:08 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: on agenda for next time

Axel Polleres: on agenda for next time ←

15:04:25 <SteveH> kjetil_: I'm officialy on vacation next week, but will be there

Kjetil Kjernsmo: I'm officialy on vacation next week, but will be there ←

15:04:35 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: time permitting features

Axel Polleres: time permitting features ←

15:05:15 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: will need to work independently, not spend much telecon time until we've addressed the required features

Axel Polleres: will need to work independently, not spend much telecon time until we've addressed the required features ←

15:05:17 <kjetil_> AxelPolleres: also, would be nice to have a straw-man poll on HTTP RESTful Update :-)

Axel Polleres: also, would be nice to have a straw-man poll on HTTP RESTful Update :-) [ Scribe Assist by Kjetil Kjernsmo ] ←

15:05:37 <kjetil_> AxelPolleres, also, would be nice to have a straw-man poll on HTTP RESTful Update :-)

Kjetil Kjernsmo: AxelPolleres, also, would be nice to have a straw-man poll on HTTP RESTful Update :-) ←

15:05:40 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: have a look at features and consider joining taskforces where you're interested

Axel Polleres: have a look at features and consider joining taskforces where you're interested ←

15:05:58 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: RESTful updates, we have to discuss

Axel Polleres: RESTful updates, we have to discuss ←

15:06:01 <SteveH> next week

next week ←

15:06:13 <Zakim> -SimonKJ

Zakim IRC Bot: -SimonKJ ←

15:06:15 <Zakim> -john-l

Zakim IRC Bot: -john-l ←

15:06:16 <Zakim> -[Garlik]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[Garlik] ←

15:06:18 <Zakim> -[Garlik.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[Garlik.a] ←

15:06:19 <Zakim> -alepas

Zakim IRC Bot: -alepas ←

15:06:28 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←

15:06:51 <AndyS> http://jena.sourceforge.net/ARQ/service.html

Andy Seaborne: http://jena.sourceforge.net/ARQ/service.html ←

15:07:05 <Zakim> -Prateek

Zakim IRC Bot: -Prateek ←

15:07:40 <SteveH> AxelPolleres, what needs to be done to make the minutes visible?

AxelPolleres, what needs to be done to make the minutes visible? ←

15:10:22 <AndyS> SERVICE <http://sparql.org/books>

Andy Seaborne: SERVICE <http://sparql.org/books> ←

15:10:22 <AndyS>  { pattern }

Andy Seaborne: { pattern } ←

15:10:56 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to update deadlines of design draft actions.

ACTION: Axel to update deadlines of design draft actions. ←

15:10:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Update deadlines of design draft actions. [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-07-28].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-69 - Update deadlines of design draft actions. [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-07-28]. ←

15:10:56 <AndyS> FETCH <http://sparql.org/booksGraph>

Andy Seaborne: FETCH <http://sparql.org/booksGraph> ←

15:11:06 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, list attendees

Axel Polleres: Zakim, list attendees ←

15:11:06 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +3539149aaaa, +7.441.173.70.aabb, AxelPolleres, john-l, EricP, +7.441.173.70.aacc, AndyS, +200000aaee, alepas, kasei, bglimm, Ivan Herman,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been +3539149aaaa, +7.441.173.70.aabb, AxelPolleres, john-l, EricP, +7.441.173.70.aacc, AndyS, +200000aaee, alepas, kasei, bglimm, Ivan Herman, ←

15:11:09 <Zakim> ... SimonKJ, SteveH, LukeWM_, Chimezie_Ogbuji, kjetil, Prateek, [Garlik]

Zakim IRC Bot: ... SimonKJ, SteveH, LukeWM_, Chimezie_Ogbuji, kjetil, Prateek, [Garlik] ←

15:11:18 <AndyS> FETCH ?g

Andy Seaborne: FETCH ?g ←

15:11:59 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, draft minutes

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, draft minutes ←

15:11:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-sparql-minutes.html AxelPolleres

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-sparql-minutes.html AxelPolleres ←

15:12:07 <AndyS> http://seaborne.blogspot.com/2008/10/walking-web.html

Andy Seaborne: http://seaborne.blogspot.com/2008/10/walking-web.html ←

15:12:11 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make minutes public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make minutes public ←

15:12:11 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', AxelPolleres.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', AxelPolleres. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←

15:12:30 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make public minutes

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make public minutes ←

15:12:30 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make public minutes ', AxelPolleres.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make public minutes ', AxelPolleres. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←

15:13:13 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←

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