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<LeeF> Present: Lee, ivanh, iv_an_ru, bglimm, chimezie, Kjetil, AxelPolleres, Andy, Steve, LukeWM, kasei, pgearon, SimonKJ, Prateek, John-l
Scribe problem: the name 'SimonKJ' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alexandre Passant Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Ivan Mikhailov Ivan Herman Jacek Kopecký Janne Saarela Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Kjetil Kjernsmo Lee Feigenbaum Luke Wilson-Mawer Michael Smith Michele Minno Nophadol Jekjantuk Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Simon Schenk Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Timo Westkämper Yoshio Fukushige
13:57:25 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:57:25 <trackbot> Date: 23 June 2009
Trackbot IRC Bot: Date: 23 June 2009 ←
13:57:43 <LeeF> Chair: AxelPolleres
13:57:58 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-06-23
14:03:42 <LeeF> Scribenick: john-l
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<LeeF> topic: Introductions
14:03:38 <john-l> SimonKJ: I'm the primary IBM representative.
Unknown SimonKJ: I'm the primary IBM representative. ←
14:04:06 <john-l> ... I've been working in the Rational group, on a new RDF-based platform, for 4 years.
... I've been working in the Rational group, on a new RDF-based platform, for 4 years. ←
14:04:42 <john-l> ... We rely heavily on SPARQL, and are very interested in standardizing useful new features as a result.
... We rely heavily on SPARQL, and are very interested in standardizing useful new features as a result. ←
14:05:07 <john-l> ... We are primarily interested in aggregates, and in updates (in the longer term).
... We are primarily interested in aggregates, and in updates (in the longer term). ←
<LeeF> topic: Admin
14:07:05 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-06-16
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-06-16 ←
14:07:33 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-06-16
RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-06-16 ←
14:07:54 <ivanh> regrets for next week, will be at a Dagstuhl workshop
Ivan Herman: regrets for next week, will be at a Dagstuhl workshop ←
14:08:09 <john-l> LeeF: Kjetil can probably scribe next week.
Lee Feigenbaum: Kjetil can probably scribe next week. ←
14:08:25 <john-l> AxelPolleres: Anything new with our liasons?
Axel Polleres: Anything new with our liasons? ←
14:08:27 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:08:42 <AxelPolleres> ack ivanh
Axel Polleres: ack ivanh ←
14:08:48 <john-l> ivanh: OWL 2 is now in CR.
Ivan Herman: OWL 2 is now in CR. ←
14:09:13 <john-l> LeeF: That includes rdf:text?
Lee Feigenbaum: That includes rdf:text? ←
14:09:16 <john-l> ivanh: Yes.
Ivan Herman: Yes. ←
14:09:19 <bglimm> rdf:text is now rdf:PlainLiteral in OWL 2
Birte Glimm: rdf:text is now rdf:PlainLiteral in OWL 2 ←
14:09:38 <LeeF> thanks, bglimm, i couldn't remember what the new name was :)
Lee Feigenbaum: thanks, bglimm, i couldn't remember what the new name was :) ←
14:10:04 <john-l> Ivanh: We now have a chair for the RDB2RDF WG.
Ivan Herman: We now have a chair for the RDB2RDF WG. ←
<LeeF> topic: Actions
14:10:57 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open ←
14:11:18 <john-l> AxelPolleres: Can we close any of these actions?
Axel Polleres: Can we close any of these actions? ←
14:11:45 <john-l> LeeF: I need to swap back in to work on action 16.
Lee Feigenbaum: I need to swap back in to work on ACTION-16. ←
14:13:32 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-42
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-42 ←
14:13:32 <trackbot> ACTION-42 Ask team contacts whether http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql-features/ is ok closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-42 Ask team contacts whether http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql-features/ is ok closed ←
14:14:30 <LeeF> ACTION-44: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009AprJun/0392.html
Lee Feigenbaum: ACTION-44: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009AprJun/0392.html ←
14:14:30 <trackbot> ACTION-44 Mail NOT EXISTS example. notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-44 Mail NOT EXISTS example. notes added ←
14:14:37 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-44
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-44 ←
14:14:37 <trackbot> ACTION-44 Mail NOT EXISTS example. closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-44 Mail NOT EXISTS example. closed ←
14:14:46 <SteveH_> I would like to consider action 40 closed!
Steve Harris: I would like to consider ACTION-40 closed! ←
<LeeF> topic: F&R document
14:15:07 <john-l> AxelPolleres: We had two F&R questions: first, the short name for the document.
Axel Polleres: We had two F&R questions: first, the short name for the document. ←
14:15:40 <john-l> ivanh: We need to ask the domain admin for a green light on the desired short name.
Ivan Herman: We need to ask the domain admin for a green light on the desired short name. ←
14:16:32 <john-l> The group discusses whether we need SPARQL versioning in the short name.
The group discusses whether we need SPARQL versioning in the short name. ←
14:16:58 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-06-16#resolution_2
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-06-16#resolution_2 ←
14:17:40 <LeeF> ACTION: Herman to request sparql-features as short name from Thomas R
ACTION: Herman to request sparql-features as short name from Thomas R ←
14:17:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-48 - Request sparql-features as short name from Thomas R [on ivanh Herman - due 2009-06-30].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-48 - Request sparql-features as short name from Thomas R [on ivanh Herman - due 2009-06-30]. ←
14:18:58 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
14:19:33 <john-l> chimezie: I haven't been able to review the F&R yet.
Chimezie Ogbuji: I haven't been able to review the F&R yet. ←
14:20:03 <john-l> AxelPolleres: I think the remaining issues with the F&R document are small.
Axel Polleres: I think the remaining issues with the F&R document are small. ←
14:20:11 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009AprJun/0400.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009AprJun/0400.html ←
14:20:47 <SteveH_> q+ to talk about very confusing CONSTRUCT example in subselect section
Steve Harris: q+ to talk about very confusing CONSTRUCT example in subselect section ←
14:21:20 <john-l> SteveH_: The CONSTRUCT example is not germane and confusing.
Steve Harris: The CONSTRUCT example is not germane and confusing. ←
14:21:26 <AndyS> We agreed not to use it last week didn't we?
Andy Seaborne: We agreed not to use it last week didn't we? ←
14:21:33 <SteveH_> I thought so
Steve Harris: I thought so ←
14:21:57 <SteveH_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009AprJun/0398.html 2.4.3
Steve Harris: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009AprJun/0398.html 2.4.3 ←
14:22:18 <john-l> SteveH_: In section 2.4.3.
Steve Harris: In section 2.4.3. ←
14:22:35 <john-l> LeeF: I also agree with striking that example.
Lee Feigenbaum: I also agree with striking that example. ←
14:22:39 <Zakim> -iv_an_ru
Zakim IRC Bot: -iv_an_ru ←
14:22:43 <AxelPolleres> alternatively, analogously to the SELECT example from before, we can use a subquery with project expressions for this query
Axel Polleres: alternatively, analogously to the SELECT example from before, we can use a subquery with project expressions for this query ←
14:22:45 <iv_an_ru> (oops)
Ivan Mikhailov: (oops) ←
14:23:08 <SteveH_> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/features/#Project_expressions_syntax
Steve Harris: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/features/#Project_expressions_syntax ←
14:23:32 <SteveH_> suggestion is to remove first CONSTRUCT example
Steve Harris: suggestion is to remove first CONSTRUCT example ←
14:23:49 <john-l> LeeF: I think including it in the document at this point goes too far.
Lee Feigenbaum: I think including it in the document at this point goes too far. ←
14:23:58 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: remove all below "To return an RDF graph..." in section 2.4.3
PROPOSED: remove all below "To return an RDF graph..." in section 2.4.3 ←
14:24:29 <AndyS> Remove just example "CONSTRUCT { ?x foaf:name { fn:string-join(?gn, " ", ?sn) } }
Andy Seaborne: Remove just example "CONSTRUCT { ?x foaf:name { fn:string-join(?gn, " ", ?sn) } } ←
14:24:29 <AndyS> "
Andy Seaborne: " ←
14:25:48 <iv_an_ru> I don't like syntax of CONSTRUCT { ?x foaf:name { fn:string-join(?gn, " ", ?sn) } } but I'd keep it.
Ivan Mikhailov: I don't like syntax of CONSTRUCT { ?x foaf:name { fn:string-join(?gn, " ", ?sn) } } but I'd keep it. ←
14:26:25 <iv_an_ru> (we have CONSTRUCT { ?x foaf:name ` fn:string-join(?gn, " ", ?sn) ` } , maybe not the best variant too)
Ivan Mikhailov: (we have CONSTRUCT { ?x foaf:name ` fn:string-join(?gn, " ", ?sn) ` } , maybe not the best variant too) ←
14:26:27 <john-l> AxelPolleres: We need to remove the offending example and tweak the words to match.
Axel Polleres: We need to remove the offending example and tweak the words to match. ←
14:26:45 <SteveH_> "To return an RDF graph where the first and family names are concatenated to a full name such project expressions could be used"
Steve Harris: "To return an RDF graph where the first and family names are concatenated to a full name such project expressions could be used" ←
14:26:49 <SteveH_> suggestion ^
Steve Harris: suggestion ^ ←
14:27:27 <john-l> AxelPolleres: Any objections?
Axel Polleres: Any objections? ←
14:27:53 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: reword to "To return an RDF graph where the first and family names are concatenated to a full name such project expressions could be used" and remove first CONSTRUCT example in 2.4.3
PROPOSED: reword to "To return an RDF graph where the first and family names are concatenated to a full name such project expressions could be used" and remove first CONSTRUCT example in 2.4.3 ←
14:28:07 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: reword to "To return an RDF graph where the first and family names are concatenated to a full name such project expressions could be used" and remove first CONSTRUCT example in 2.4.3
RESOLVED: reword to "To return an RDF graph where the first and family names are concatenated to a full name such project expressions could be used" and remove first CONSTRUCT example in 2.4.3 ←
14:28:19 <AndyS> It is "advice to the editors" isn't it?
Andy Seaborne: It is "advice to the editors" isn't it? ←
14:28:29 <SteveH_> yes
Steve Harris: yes ←
14:28:57 <john-l> AxelPolleres: We've already taken care of 1 and 2 from the 8 points.
Axel Polleres: We've already taken care of 1 and 2 from the 8 points. ←
14:29:33 <AxelPolleres> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SPARQL/Extensions/Aggregates
Axel Polleres: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SPARQL/Extensions/Aggregates ←
14:29:49 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Feature:AggregateFunctions#Existing_Implementation.28s.29
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Feature:AggregateFunctions#Existing_Implementation.28s.29 ←
14:30:03 <john-l> AxelPolleres: We should take the list of implementors of aggregate expressions from the ESW wiki.
Axel Polleres: We should take the list of implementors of aggregate expressions from the ESW wiki. ←
14:30:24 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Feature:ProjectExpressions#Existing_Implementation.28s.29
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Feature:ProjectExpressions#Existing_Implementation.28s.29 ←
14:30:48 <john-l> AxelPolleres: Take the existing lists from other pages and paste them into the document.
Axel Polleres: Take the existing lists from other pages and paste them into the document. ←
14:31:34 <AndyS> without the CONSTRUCT case (it's about being concise and focued on select expressions)
Andy Seaborne: without the CONSTRUCT case (it's about being concise and focued on select expressions) ←
14:31:35 <john-l> ivanh: What policy should we have for adding implementations? Should we try to be exhaustive?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: What policy should we have for adding implementations? Should we try to be exhaustive? ←
14:31:54 <AxelPolleres> "The following non-exhaustive list includes some systems addressing this feature"
Axel Polleres: "The following non-exhaustive list includes some systems addressing this feature" ←
14:32:04 <ivanh> s/ivanh/Kjetil/
14:32:26 <LeeF> I share some of Kjetil's concerns
Lee Feigenbaum: I share some of Kjetil's concerns ←
14:32:56 <SteveH> The document will be dated, I don't see the problem
Steve Harris: The document will be dated, I don't see the problem ←
14:33:04 <LeeF> Better to include implementations purely as examples, rather than try to make a comprehensive list
Lee Feigenbaum: Better to include implementations purely as examples, rather than try to make a comprehensive list ←
14:33:05 <AndyS> Not exhaustive - but the charter talsk about common extensions and experience which is relevant.
Andy Seaborne: Not exhaustive - but the charter talsk about common extensions and experience which is relevant. ←
14:33:13 <AndyS> +1 to LeeF
Andy Seaborne: +1 to LeeF ←
14:33:16 <iv_an_ru> No need to be exaustive, if we're in ;)
Ivan Mikhailov: No need to be exaustive, if we're in ;) ←
14:33:18 <SteveH> yes, not exhastive
Steve Harris: yes, not exhastive ←
14:33:26 <LeeF> what iv_an_ru says is exactly the problem :/
Lee Feigenbaum: what iv_an_ru says is exactly the problem :/ ←
14:33:34 <LeeF> this isn't an Implementation Report
Lee Feigenbaum: this isn't an Implementation Report ←
14:34:14 <iv_an_ru> I'd choose two implementations per feature, using "similarity to the spec" as a criterion.
Ivan Mikhailov: I'd choose two implementations per feature, using "similarity to the spec" as a criterion. ←
14:34:19 <john-l> AxelPolleres: Would anyone object to having a non-exhaustive implementation list?
Axel Polleres: Would anyone object to having a non-exhaustive implementation list? ←
14:34:54 <SteveH> iv_an_ru: there is no spec at this point
Ivan Mikhailov: there is no spec at this point [ Scribe Assist by Steve Harris ] ←
14:34:58 <john-l> KjetilK: I object; I'm concerned about the persistence of the URIs.
Kjetil Kjernsmo: I object; I'm concerned about the persistence of the URIs. ←
14:35:29 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:35:33 <SteveH> q-
Steve Harris: q- ←
14:35:37 <AndyS> Yes
Andy Seaborne: Yes ←
14:35:41 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
14:35:45 <iv_an_ru> well, what we've specified fo "approximate" syntax and semantics resembles a spec.
Ivan Mikhailov: well, what we've specified fo "approximate" syntax and semantics resembles a spec. ←
14:35:47 <pgearon> I'd like to see the list left
Paula Gearon: I'd like to see the list left ←
14:35:48 <LeeF> q- SteveH_
Lee Feigenbaum: q- SteveH_ ←
14:36:45 <AxelPolleres> "The following non-exhaustive list includes some systems addressing this feature at the date of publication of the present document"
Axel Polleres: "The following non-exhaustive list includes some systems addressing this feature at the date of publication of the present document" ←
14:36:49 <john-l> ivanh: The text needs to make it clear that the implementation list could rapidly become out-of-date.
Ivan Herman: The text needs to make it clear that the implementation list could rapidly become out-of-date. ←
14:37:16 <john-l> ... Also, it needs to emphasize that an up-to-date list *is* maintained on the Wiki.
... Also, it needs to emphasize that an up-to-date list *is* maintained on the Wiki. ←
14:38:05 <SteveH> I don't feel that the document stands on it's own sufficiently if it requires liks to the WG wiki
Steve Harris: I don't feel that the document stands on it's own sufficiently if it requires liks to the WG wiki ←
14:38:11 <SteveH> to justify itsself
Steve Harris: to justify itsself ←
14:38:14 <LeeF> Link to which wiki? ESW presumably since it outlives the WG wiki?
Lee Feigenbaum: Link to which wiki? ESW presumably since it outlives the WG wiki? ←
14:38:17 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
14:38:38 <iv_an_ru> +1 for ESW
Ivan Mikhailov: +1 for ESW ←
14:38:54 <SteveH> +1, I also think the docs lifetime is similar to the WGs
Steve Harris: +1, I also think the docs lifetime is similar to the WGs ←
14:38:55 <john-l> AndyS: I think the F&R doc only has a limited span of usefulness, so I don't worry about the deep future so much.
Andy Seaborne: I think the F&R doc only has a limited span of usefulness, so I don't worry about the deep future so much. ←
14:39:11 <LukeWM> q+
Luke Wilson-Mawer: q+ ←
14:39:33 <john-l> AndyS: I would put the links in.
Andy Seaborne: I would put the links in. ←
14:39:44 <SimonKJ> +1
Unknown SimonKJ: +1 ←
14:39:44 <LukeWM> ack me
Luke Wilson-Mawer: ack me ←
14:39:52 <AndyS> We are required to have: "shown to exist in multiple, interoperable implementations" so useful info towards that
Andy Seaborne: We are required to have: "shown to exist in multiple, interoperable implementations" so useful info towards that ←
14:39:53 <ivanh> ack ivanh
Ivan Herman: ack ivanh ←
14:39:55 <AndyS> ack me
Andy Seaborne: ack me ←
14:40:12 <SimonKJ> q+
Unknown SimonKJ: q+ ←
14:40:46 <john-l> LukeWM: Do we still need complex use-cases, with more than one feature, for the F&R?
Luke Wilson-Mawer: Do we still need complex use-cases, with more than one feature, for the F&R? ←
14:40:53 <LukeWM> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/FRUseCases
Luke Wilson-Mawer: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/FRUseCases ←
14:41:47 <LeeF> Pretty sure it wasn't me requesting them :-D
Lee Feigenbaum: Pretty sure it wasn't me requesting them :-D ←
14:42:01 <john-l> AxelPolleres: Is there any objection to going to FPWD without the list of complex use-cases?
Axel Polleres: Is there any objection to going to FPWD without the list of complex use-cases? ←
14:42:08 <LukeWM> sorry LeeF, you're right, it wasn't
Luke Wilson-Mawer: sorry LeeF, you're right, it wasn't ←
14:42:13 <AxelPolleres> Consensus is not to add complex use cases before publishing FPWD
Axel Polleres: Consensus is not to add complex use cases before publishing FPWD ←
14:42:23 <pgearon> +1
Paula Gearon: +1 ←
14:44:46 <john-l> AxelPolleres: We discussed the modeling of UNSAID without an actual negation feature in SPARQL 1.0 on the mailing list.
Axel Polleres: We discussed the modeling of UNSAID without an actual negation feature in SPARQL 1.0 on the mailing list. ←
14:45:09 <john-l> SteveH: I think we can continue with the feature described as is.
Steve Harris: I think we can continue with the feature described as is. ←
14:45:31 <AxelPolleres> 4) in my mail, doesn't need a todo.
Axel Polleres: 4) in my mail, doesn't need a todo. ←
14:46:31 <john-l> AxelPolleres: #5 is just a typo.
Axel Polleres: #5 is just a typo. ←
14:48:19 <john-l> SteveH: Adding the TODO to address #6 is fine.
Steve Harris: Adding the TODO to address #6 is fine. ←
14:50:04 <john-l> AxelPolleres: I suggest no changes to the doc in response to #7.
Axel Polleres: I suggest no changes to the doc in response to #7. ←
14:50:20 <SimonKJ> q+
Unknown SimonKJ: q+ ←
14:50:52 <LeeF> ack SimonKJ
Lee Feigenbaum: ack SimonKJ ←
14:51:07 <john-l> SimonKJ: We also support a protocol update, and I'll try to dig out a reference.
Unknown SimonKJ: We also support a protocol update, and I'll try to dig out a reference. ←
14:51:24 <SimonKJ> IBM's Jazz Foundation supports graph update via a RESTful protocol
Unknown SimonKJ: IBM's Jazz Foundation supports graph update via a RESTful protocol ←
14:51:30 <SimonKJ> I'll try and find a persistent reference
Unknown SimonKJ: I'll try and find a persistent reference ←
14:51:54 <john-l> AxelPolleres: I suggest adding references to these existing implementations to the list for emphasis.
Axel Polleres: I suggest adding references to these existing implementations to the list for emphasis. ←
14:52:24 <john-l> AxelPolleres: Is there anything else that would prevent going to FPWD?
Axel Polleres: Is there anything else that would prevent going to FPWD? ←
14:52:36 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
14:52:48 <SteveH> ..to ivanh
Steve Harris: ..to ivanh ←
14:52:57 <john-l> ivanh: I think we should make all the above changes and then make a decision.
Ivan Herman: I think we should make all the above changes and then make a decision. ←
14:52:58 <LeeF> too many changes to do conditionally, I thi nk
Lee Feigenbaum: too many changes to do conditionally, I think ←
14:53:03 <LeeF> s/thi nk/think
14:53:07 <pgearon> I agree with ivanh
Paula Gearon: I agree with ivanh ←
14:53:59 <AndyS> It's FPWD - can be a bit rough. Early is good. "It's agree to publish" not "agree with every detail"
Andy Seaborne: It's FPWD - can be a bit rough. Early is good. "It's agree to publish" not "agree with every detail" ←
14:54:30 <john-l> LeeF: Let's make the changes, then at the beginning of the next meeting determine if there is any outstanding hesitation.
Lee Feigenbaum: Let's make the changes, then at the beginning of the next meeting determine if there is any outstanding hesitation. ←
14:54:38 <john-l> AxelPolleres: It'll also be good to have outstanding reviews completed.
Axel Polleres: It'll also be good to have outstanding reviews completed. ←
14:54:38 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
14:54:45 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
14:55:13 <SteveH> my action is still open too, for some reason http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/40
Steve Harris: my action is still open too, for some reason http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/40 ←
14:55:13 <john-l> AndyS: Make changes and have reviews?
Andy Seaborne: Make changes and have reviews? ←
14:55:30 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-40
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-40 ←
14:55:30 <trackbot> ACTION-40 Review F&R document closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-40 Review F&R document closed ←
14:55:37 <LeeF> SteveH, i don't know what you're talking about
Lee Feigenbaum: SteveH, i don't know what you're talking about ←
14:55:39 <LeeF> ;-)
Lee Feigenbaum: ;-) ←
14:55:48 <SteveH> LeeF, the human Zakim :)
Steve Harris: LeeF, the human Zakim :) ←
14:57:06 <john-l> Axel arranges for serializing the updates and the reviews.
Axel arranges for serializing the updates and the reviews. ←
14:58:22 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:58:53 <john-l> ivanh: I need to finalize the charter for phase 2.
Ivan Herman: I need to finalize the charter for phase 2. ←
14:59:20 <john-l> ivanh: The charter should include every feature, including the time permitting features. They don't need detailed descriptions, though.
Ivan Herman: The charter should include every feature, including the time permitting features. They don't need detailed descriptions, though. ←
14:59:26 <AndyS> See section 1.1?
Andy Seaborne: See section 1.1? ←
14:59:29 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/features/#Introduction_features
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/features/#Introduction_features ←
14:59:54 <LeeF> q+
Lee Feigenbaum: q+ ←
14:59:58 <LeeF> ack ivanh
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivanh ←
15:00:14 <LeeF> q+ to hopefully resolve this easily
Lee Feigenbaum: q+ to hopefully resolve this easily ←
15:01:43 <john-l> LeeF: I will take an action to draft text for all of the time permitting features by Thursday.
Lee Feigenbaum: I will take an action to draft text for all of the time permitting features by Thursday. ←
15:02:01 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: LeeF to draft short descriptions for time-permitting features
ACTION: LeeF to draft short descriptions for time-permitting features ←
15:02:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-49 - Draft short descriptions for time-permitting features [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-06-30].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-49 - Draft short descriptions for time-permitting features [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-06-30]. ←
15:02:55 <john-l> AxelPolleres: LeeF can try to hand off his work to KjetilK for his edits.
Axel Polleres: LeeF can try to hand off his work to KjetilK for his edits. ←
15:02:55 <john-l> AxelPolleres: Adjourned.
Axel Polleres: Adjourned. ←
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