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13:48:09 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL
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13:48:13 <LeeF> zakim, code?
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13:48:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), LeeF
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13:48:41 <LeeF> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:49:13 <LeeF> Regrets: Bijan
13:49:47 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
13:49:51 <LeeF> Scribe: Phil Brooks
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13:50:58 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-03-10
Lee Feigenbaum: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-03-10 ←
14:08:27 <LeeF> Scribenick: Phil
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14:08:43 <LeeF> topic: Administrivia
14:08:57 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-sparql-minutes.html
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-sparql-minutes.html ←
14:09:17 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-sparql-minutes.html
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-sparql-minutes.html ←
14:09:18 <Phil> Minutes from last week approved.
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Minutes from last week approved. ←
14:09:30 <ivanh> topic: next meeting
14:10:05 <Phil> Next Meeting: 10:00am EDT on March 17
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Next Meeting: 10:00am EDT on March 17 ←
14:10:39 <LeeF> topic: Face to Face
14:11:02 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F1 Face to Face wiki page
Lee Feigenbaum: -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F1 Face to Face wiki page ←
14:11:47 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:12:31 <ericP> q+ to talk about sponsorship
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Unknown ericP: q+ to talk about sponsorship ←
14:12:45 <ywang4> it seems i could not login the wiki with my w3c account...
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Unknown ywang4: it seems i could not login the wiki with my w3c account... ←
14:13:02 <AxelPolleres> +1 to have standard setup for "normal" dial-in as well.
Axel Polleres: +1 to have standard setup for "normal" dial-in as well. ←
14:13:08 <LeeF> ywang4, I'll ask the Wiki Folks about it
Lee Feigenbaum: ywang4, I'll ask the Wiki Folks about it ←
14:13:15 <ywang4> thanks
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Unknown ywang4: thanks ←
14:13:17 <Phil> F2F scheduled from May 6-7. In person attendance encouraged. Everyone should check their calendars and let Lee know who will be attending (for planning purposes).
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F2F scheduled from May 6-7. In person attendance encouraged. Everyone should check their calendars and let Lee know who will be attending (for planning purposes). ←
14:13:31 <LeeF> queue=
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14:13:58 <Phil> Cost at MIT is $20/day. Looking for sponsors for the MIT site.
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Cost at MIT is $20/day. Looking for sponsors for the MIT site. ←
14:14:25 <Phil> Parties interested in sponsoring the MIT site should contact Eric.
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Parties interested in sponsoring the MIT site should contact Eric. ←
14:14:34 <Phil> (cheap advertising!) :-)
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(cheap advertising!) :-) ←
14:15:07 <AxelPolleres> ... two options for alternate location: Brussels(?) and Manchester.
Axel Polleres: ... two options for alternate location: Bristol and Manchester. ←
14:15:34 <AndyS> Bristol
Andy Seaborne: Bristol ←
14:16:00 <AxelPolleres> s/Brussels(?)/Bristol/
14:16:14 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:16:20 <LeeF> ack iva
Lee Feigenbaum: ack iva ←
14:16:21 <LeeF> ack ivan
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivan ←
14:16:30 <Phil> Opportunity for 2nd F2F at TPAC2009 in Santa Clara, CA the week of Nov. 2-6, 2009. What does everyone think?
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Opportunity for 2nd F2F at TPAC2009 in Santa Clara, CA the week of Nov. 2-6, 2009. What does everyone think? ←
14:17:18 <Phil> IvanH: Santa Clara may be too expensive. W3C considering alternate location - will decide in several weeks.
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Ivan Herman: Santa Clara may be too expensive. W3C considering alternate location - will decide in several weeks. ←
14:17:45 <iv_an_ru> For me, CA in Nov would be nice contrast with Novosibirsk in Nov :)
Ivan Mikhailov: For me, CA in Nov would be nice contrast with Novosibirsk in Nov :) ←
14:18:55 <Phil> ISWC is week before TPAC2009; attending both could be problematic/costly
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ISWC is week before TPAC2009; attending both could be problematic/costly ←
14:19:34 <Phil> ISWC is Oct. 25-29
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ISWC is Oct. 25-29 ←
14:19:41 <AxelPolleres> co-location with ISWC would be an option.
Axel Polleres: co-location with ISWC would be an option. ←
14:19:42 <ericP> ISWC2009 is 25-29 October per http://iswc2009.semanticweb.org/
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Unknown ericP: ISWC2009 is 25-29 October per http://iswc2009.semanticweb.org/ ←
14:19:44 <Phil> Alternately, F2F could occur at ISWC
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Alternately, F2F could occur at ISWC ←
14:21:57 <Phil> TPAC may be a better option as there will be opportunity to integrate with other W3C groups.
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TPAC may be a better option as there will be opportunity to integrate with other W3C groups. ←
14:25:37 <ivanh> Topic: overview of features
14:22:19 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Category:Features feature prpodsals
Lee Feigenbaum: -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Category:Features feature prpodsals ←
14:24:16 <ericP> i wonder if we could use chad for rating the priorities
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Unknown ericP: i wonder if we could use chad for rating the priorities ←
14:25:17 <Phil> Lee and Axel's role is to ensure that the "right" list of features is adopted (i.e. Lee wants to make everyone unhappy - at least, a little!)
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Lee and Axel's role is to ensure that the "right" list of features is adopted (i.e. Lee wants to make everyone unhappy - at least, a little!) ←
14:26:35 <Phil> Lee reminds that the group is responsible for creating the specifications for the features that are adopted (and that is not trivial).
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Lee reminds that the group is responsible for creating the specifications for the features that are adopted (and that is not trivial). ←
14:27:16 <AxelPolleres> Lee: Point 1: We won't probably be able to do all in 18month, that might guide us to narrow down the number.
Lee Feigenbaum: Point 1: We won't probably be able to do all in 18month, that might guide us to narrow down the number. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:29:28 <AxelPolleres> Lee: Support by implementations important, pervasive support, usefulness. Can requested features be done with the language as is?
Lee Feigenbaum: Support by implementations important, pervasive support, usefulness. Can requested features be done with the language as is? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:29:34 <AndyS> Lee: Point 3: SPARQL already has some extension points
Lee Feigenbaum: Point 3: SPARQL already has some extension points [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ] ←
14:30:04 <AxelPolleres> Lee: option: standardize on extensibility points rather than extensions themselves.
Lee Feigenbaum: option: standardize on extensibility points rather than extensions themselves. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:30:47 <AndyS> Lee: Framework for features to converge outside of this WG process
Lee Feigenbaum: Framework for features to converge outside of this WG process [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ] ←
14:30:52 <Phil> Lee: The features that get adopted must be interoperable (and should be core to the language). SPARQL v1 already has some extensibility points; just because we "could" standardize an extension does not mean we "have to". It may be a better use of our time to standardize on extensibility points rather than to standardize an extension in and of itself. For example, standardizing a service option may advance SPARQL further (especially with respect to interoperabilit
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Lee Feigenbaum: The features that get adopted must be interoperable (and should be core to the language). SPARQL v1 already has some extensibility points; just because we "could" standardize an extension does not mean we "have to". It may be a better use of our time to standardize on extensibility points rather than to standardize an extension in and of itself. For example, standardizing a service option may advance SPARQL further (especially with respect to interoperabilit ←
14:32:36 <Zakim> -ywang4
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Zakim IRC Bot: -ywang4 ←
14:32:47 <Zakim> +ywang4
Zakim IRC Bot: +ywang4 ←
14:33:38 <Phil> Lee: It's unrealistic to review all the proposed features on a teleconference; participation on the SPARQL working group must include work outside of the call. In particular, please start threads on the mailing list regarding your "favorite" feature and why. Others should reply to the posts, ask questions, clarify as needed, challenge as desired, etc. In summary, the mailing lists (and associated threads) will be the main method for discussing the various feature
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Lee Feigenbaum: It's unrealistic to review all the proposed features on a teleconference; participation on the SPARQL working group must include work outside of the call. In particular, please start threads on the mailing list regarding your "favorite" feature and why. Others should reply to the posts, ask questions, clarify as needed, challenge as desired, etc. In summary, the mailing lists (and associated threads) will be the main method for discussing the various feature ←
14:33:43 <ericP> q+ to suggest a mailing convention like Subject: [AccessingRdfLists] blah blah blah
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Unknown ericP: q+ to suggest a mailing convention like Subject: [AccessingRdfLists] blah blah blah ←
14:34:16 <LeeF> ack ericP
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ericP ←
14:34:16 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to suggest a mailing convention like Subject: [AccessingRdfLists] blah blah blah
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to suggest a mailing convention like Subject: [AccessingRdfLists] blah blah blah ←
14:34:35 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:34:45 <LeeF> ack ivan
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivan ←
14:34:56 <AxelPolleres> +1 to distinct mail-subjects
Axel Polleres: +1 to distinct mail-subjects ←
14:34:56 <iv_an_ru> There are two features: BI and Federation. Others are minor details of these two :)
Ivan Mikhailov: There are two features: BI and Federation. Others are minor details of these two :) ←
14:35:12 <chimezie> There definately seems to be some overlap
Chimezie Ogbuji: There definately seems to be some overlap ←
14:35:37 <AxelPolleres> +1 to offline go over the list and try to propose merge to authors.
Axel Polleres: +1 to offline go over the list and try to propose merge to authors. ←
14:35:48 <Phil> There may be some features that could be merged - Lee encourages anyone interested in doing so to review which are candidates for merging and then make such a proposal.
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There may be some features that could be merged - Lee encourages anyone interested in doing so to review which are candidates for merging and then make such a proposal. ←
14:36:02 <AxelPolleres> q+
Axel Polleres: q+ ←
14:37:04 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
14:37:45 <Phil> Lee: All work group participants come from varying backgrounds and with different opinions - we will try to reach consensus. However, we all need to maintain an open mind as we review the features and consider which ones to go forward with.
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Lee Feigenbaum: All work group participants come from varying backgrounds and with different opinions - we will try to reach consensus. However, we all need to maintain an open mind as we review the features and consider which ones to go forward with. ←
14:38:54 <iv_an_ru> First we should agree about some objectives that are more precise than "better SPARQL, upward-compatible"
Ivan Mikhailov: First we should agree about some objectives that are more precise than "better SPARQL, upward-compatible" ←
14:38:59 <AxelPolleres> SteveH, ok that overconsolidation should be avoided, but try to make links *and differences* with related features explicit.
Axel Polleres: SteveH, ok that overconsolidation should be avoided, but try to make links *and differences* with related features explicit. ←
14:39:43 <ericP> as of last night, my top priorities were update and lists
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Unknown ericP: as of last night, my top priorities were update and lists ←
14:40:02 <LeeF> topic: ProjectExpressions
Summary: initial straw poll gives (+/0/-): 13/3/0
<LeeF> summary: initial straw poll gives (+/0/-): 13/3/0
14:40:05 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Feature:ProjectExpressions
Lee Feigenbaum: -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Feature:ProjectExpressions ←
14:41:15 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:42:06 <AndyS> I would relate it to constructors for RDF terms.
Andy Seaborne: I would relate it to constructors for RDF terms. ←
14:42:08 <LeeF> ack ivan
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivan ←
14:42:34 <chimezie> i think it returns a boolean
Chimezie Ogbuji: i think it returns a boolean ←
14:43:09 <chimezie> pure post-processing
Chimezie Ogbuji: pure post-processing ←
14:43:14 <Phil> Ivan asked clarifying question about first example - the "(?age > 18)" projects a boolean value
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Ivan asked clarifying question about first example - the "(?age > 18)" projects a boolean value ←
14:44:08 <AxelPolleres> q+
Axel Polleres: q+ ←
14:44:08 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's here? ←
14:44:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see LukeWM, AndyS, john-l (muted), kasei (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, iv_an_ru, Ivan, AxelPolleres, AlexPassant, SteveH, EricP, kjetil (muted), Orri, Phil,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see LukeWM, AndyS, john-l (muted), kasei (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, iv_an_ru, Ivan, AxelPolleres, AlexPassant, SteveH, EricP, kjetil (muted), Orri, Phil, ←
14:44:12 <SteveH> sorry, it's a wacky first example
Steve Harris: sorry, it's a wacky first example ←
14:44:13 <Zakim> ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, DaveNewman, Souri, ywang4
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, DaveNewman, Souri, ywang4 ←
14:44:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see Souri, ywang4, chimezie, Phil, AlexPassant, kasei, SteveH, RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, AxelPolleres, john-l, LukeWM, ivan, AndyS_, iv_an_ru, LeeF, sandro, kjetil,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Souri, ywang4, chimezie, Phil, AlexPassant, kasei, SteveH, RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, AxelPolleres, john-l, LukeWM, ivan, AndyS_, iv_an_ru, LeeF, sandro, kjetil, ←
14:44:16 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:44:17 <Zakim> ... trackbot, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot, ericP ←
14:44:17 <SteveH> mea culpa
Steve Harris: mea culpa ←
14:44:29 <john-l> No, I think it's a fine first example, once you understand what's going on.
John Clark: No, I think it's a fine first example, once you understand what's going on. ←
14:44:43 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Might be one or the other with assignment
Axel Polleres: Might be one or the other with assignment [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:44:56 <ericP> i agree, and assignment is more powerful
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Unknown ericP: i agree, and assignment is more powerful ←
14:44:57 <LeeF> ack ivan
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivan ←
14:45:00 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
14:45:04 <AxelPolleres> q-
Axel Polleres: q- ←
14:45:04 <iv_an_ru> +q
Ivan Mikhailov: +q ←
14:45:29 <LeeF> ack iv_an_ru
Lee Feigenbaum: ack iv_an_ru ←
14:45:32 <Phil> Lee: Syntax debates should be reserved for the mailing list
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Lee Feigenbaum: Syntax debates should be reserved for the mailing list ←
14:45:40 <john-l> Perhaps say "whether the person is over 18" instead of "where the person is over 18"?
John Clark: Perhaps say "whether the person is over 18" instead of "where the person is over 18"? ←
14:47:20 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
14:47:28 <john-l> +0
John Clark: +0 ←
14:47:28 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
14:47:31 <ericP> +0
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Unknown ericP: +0 ←
14:47:34 <Phil> Polling of opinions regarding Project Expressions (poll on IRC)
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Polling of opinions regarding Project Expressions (poll on IRC) ←
14:47:37 <AlexPassant> +1
Alexandre Passant: +1 ←
14:47:38 <Phil> +1
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+1 ←
14:47:39 <ivanh> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:47:39 <kjetil> +0
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Unknown kjetil: +0 ←
14:47:40 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
14:47:40 <AxelPolleres> +1 (modulo redundancy avoidance w.r.t. assignment)
Axel Polleres: +1 (modulo redundancy avoidance w.r.t. assignment) ←
14:47:40 <ywang4> +1
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Unknown ywang4: +1 ←
14:47:41 <LukeWM> +1
Luke Wilson-Mawer: +1 ←
14:47:46 <iv_an_ru> +1
Ivan Mikhailov: +1 ←
14:47:50 <chimezie> +1
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 ←
14:47:56 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
14:47:58 <kasei> and agree with AndyS regarding the potential for rewriting
Gregory Williams: and agree with AndyS regarding the potential for rewriting ←
14:48:07 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
14:49:14 <Phil> In general, the group seems to be strongly in favor of Project Expressions.
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In general, the group seems to be strongly in favor of Project Expressions. ←
14:49:19 <LeeF> topic: subselects
Summary: initial straw poll gives (+/0/-): 8/8/1
<LeeF> summary: initial straw poll gives (+/0/-): 8/8/1
14:49:21 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Feature:SubSelects
Lee Feigenbaum: -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Feature:SubSelects ←
14:49:26 <Phil> Next topic: subselects
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Next topic: subselects ←
14:50:04 <LeeF> SteveH: subselects gives you other features "for free"
Steve Harris: subselects gives you other features "for free" [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:50:15 <LeeF> ... e.g. !ASK for some forms of negation
Lee Feigenbaum: ... e.g. !ASK for some forms of negation ←
14:50:35 <ericP> q+ to say point out that unlike SQL, we've not needed subselects so far for e.g. coherent OPTIONALS (outer joins) and UNIONS.
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Unknown ericP: q+ to say point out that unlike SQL, we've not needed subselects so far for e.g. coherent OPTIONALS (outer joins) and UNIONS. ←
14:51:08 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:51:20 <Phil> In addition to Virtuoso as listed on the Wiki, there are other implementers of sub-select as well.
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In addition to Virtuoso as listed on the Wiki, there are other implementers of sub-select as well. ←
14:51:37 <LeeF> ack ericP
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ericP ←
14:51:37 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to say point out that unlike SQL, we've not needed subselects so far for e.g. coherent OPTIONALS (outer joins) and UNIONS.
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to say point out that unlike SQL, we've not needed subselects so far for e.g. coherent OPTIONALS (outer joins) and UNIONS. ←
14:51:38 <Phil> (at least 2, anyway)
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(at least 2, anyway) ←
14:52:17 <chimezie> +q to suggest we consider restricted subselects rather than all or nothing
Chimezie Ogbuji: +q to suggest we consider restricted subselects rather than all or nothing ←
14:52:53 <AndyS> The cost to the algebra is actually quite small to allow nesting queries. One issue: breaks the multiset/sequence distinction but it's fixable and probably needed any way
Andy Seaborne: The cost to the algebra is actually quite small to allow nesting queries. One issue: breaks the multiset/sequence distinction but it's fixable and probably needed any way ←
14:52:57 <LeeF> ack ivan
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivan ←
14:53:00 <SteveH> q+ to disagree with eric
Steve Harris: q+ to disagree with eric ←
14:53:01 <ivanh> ?supp+>tpcd:acctbal
Ivan Herman: ?supp+>tpcd:acctbal ←
14:53:10 <AndyS> Related to: EXISTS/NOT EXISTS/UNSAID
Andy Seaborne: Related to: EXISTS/NOT EXISTS/UNSAID ←
14:53:19 <AndyS> which are a sub-ASK
Andy Seaborne: which are a sub-ASK ←
14:55:24 <Souri> What does "+>" in ?supp+>tpcd:acctbal stand for?
Souripriya Das: What does "+>" in ?supp+>tpcd:acctbal stand for? ←
14:56:01 <AxelPolleres> Is +> doable with braketted syntax?
Axel Polleres: Is +> doable with bracketed syntax? ←
14:56:20 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: apprently because the example after is suposed to be equivalent
Axel Polleres: apprently because the example after is suposed to be equivalent [ Scribe Assist by Steve Harris ] ←
14:56:28 <AxelPolleres> s/braketted/bracketed/
14:56:39 <Phil> Lee: Simpler examples on sub-select wiki might help.
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Lee Feigenbaum: Simpler examples on sub-select wiki might help. ←
14:56:39 <Phil> Orri: There have been simpler social-networking examples in the mailing lists.
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Orri Erling: There have been simpler social-networking examples in the mailing lists. ←
14:56:43 <SteveH> sorry, AxelPolleres, not :
Steve Harris: sorry, AxelPolleres, not : ←
14:57:33 <john-l> I'm not familiar with TPC.
John Clark: I'm not familiar with TPC. ←
14:57:40 <chimezie> i am not familiar, unfortunately
Chimezie Ogbuji: i am not familiar, unfortunately ←
14:57:40 <LukeWM> I'm not either
Luke Wilson-Mawer: I'm not either ←
14:58:58 <Phil> Many folks are not familiar with the TPC queries; therefore, the simplest queries should be used for all of the feature categories (instead of the more complex TPC queries).
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Many folks are not familiar with the TPC queries; therefore, the simplest queries should be used for all of the feature categories (instead of the more complex TPC queries). ←
14:58:58 <LeeF> q?
Lee Feigenbaum: q? ←
14:59:06 <LeeF> ack chimezie
Lee Feigenbaum: ack chimezie ←
14:59:06 <Zakim> chimezie, you wanted to suggest we consider restricted subselects rather than all or nothing
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie, you wanted to suggest we consider restricted subselects rather than all or nothing ←
14:59:33 <LeeF> ack SteveH
Lee Feigenbaum: ack SteveH ←
14:59:33 <Zakim> SteveH, you wanted to disagree with eric
Zakim IRC Bot: SteveH, you wanted to disagree with eric ←
15:00:04 <LeeF> SteveH: adding too many surface syntax features makes query language complicated
Steve Harris: adding too many surface syntax features makes query language complicated [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:00:05 <Souri> I am somewhat familiar, but we should decouple the examples from TPC benchmark to explain the utility.
Souripriya Das: I am somewhat familiar, but we should decouple the examples from TPC benchmark to explain the utility. ←
15:00:15 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's here? ←
15:00:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see LukeWM, AndyS, john-l (muted), kasei (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, iv_an_ru, Ivan, AxelPolleres, AlexPassant, SteveH, EricP, kjetil (muted), Orri, Phil,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see LukeWM, AndyS, john-l (muted), kasei (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, iv_an_ru, Ivan, AxelPolleres, AlexPassant, SteveH, EricP, kjetil (muted), Orri, Phil, ←
15:00:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see Souri, ywang4, chimezie, Phil, AlexPassant, kasei, SteveH, RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, AxelPolleres, john-l, LukeWM, ivan, AndyS_, iv_an_ru, LeeF, sandro, kjetil,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Souri, ywang4, chimezie, Phil, AlexPassant, kasei, SteveH, RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, AxelPolleres, john-l, LukeWM, ivan, AndyS_, iv_an_ru, LeeF, sandro, kjetil, ←
15:00:21 <Zakim> ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, DaveNewman, Souri, ywang4
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, DaveNewman, Souri, ywang4 ←
15:00:21 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
15:00:21 <AlexPassant> 0
15:00:23 <john-l> +0
John Clark: +0 ←
15:00:25 <Phil> Polling for sub-selects:
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Polling for sub-selects: ←
15:00:28 <Zakim> ... trackbot, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot, ericP ←
15:00:29 <kasei> +0
Gregory Williams: +0 ←
15:00:31 <LukeWM> +1
Luke Wilson-Mawer: +1 ←
15:00:32 <iv_an_ru> +1
Ivan Mikhailov: +1 ←
15:00:33 <kjetil> +1
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Unknown kjetil: +1 ←
15:00:33 <chimezie> +0
Chimezie Ogbuji: +0 ←
15:00:35 <ericP> SteveH, i understand your point. would like to look in detail with you
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Unknown ericP: SteveH, i understand your point. would like to look in detail with you ←
15:00:35 <ericP> -1
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Unknown ericP: -1 ←
15:00:42 <Souri> +0.75
Souripriya Das: +0.75 ←
15:00:42 <ivanh> +0
Ivan Herman: +0 ←
15:00:42 <LeeF> Orri: 1
Orri Erling: 1 [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:00:42 <Phil> +0
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+0 ←
15:00:53 <LeeF> David: +1
David Newman: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:01:00 <LeeF> +0
Lee Feigenbaum: +0 ←
15:01:06 <AxelPolleres> +0
Axel Polleres: +0 ←
15:01:11 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:01:23 <SteveH> ericP, yes, sure
Steve Harris: ericP, yes, sure ←
15:01:47 <ericP> my hunch is that the verb count ends up the same
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Unknown ericP: my hunch is that the verb count ends up the same ←
15:01:50 <chimezie> take care
Chimezie Ogbuji: take care ←
15:01:56 <Phil> meeting adjourned.
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meeting adjourned. ←
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