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RDFa Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 30 May 2013

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2013May/0047.html
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Gregg Kellogg, Ivan Herman, Manu Sporny, Niklas Lindström, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Stéphane Corlosquet
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Resolutions
  1. RDFa Core 1.1, XHTML+RDFa 1.1, RDFa Primer 1.1, and HTML+RDFa 1.1 are complete, all comments have been addressed, and each document is ready to go to the next stage in the publication process. link
  2. Publish the HTML+RDFa 1.1 specification as a Proposed Recommendation, skipping the Candidate Recommendation phase due to multiple interoperable implementations, targetting a publication date of June 25th 2013. link
  3. Publish the RDfa Core 1.1, XHTML+RDFa 1.1 documents as Proposed Edited Recommendations with a publication date of June 25th 2013. link
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13:59:18 <trackbot> Date: 30 May 2013
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14:01:14 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), manu

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14:02:02 <Zakim> +gkellogg

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14:02:10 <Zakim> -Ivan

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14:08:00 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2013May/0047.html
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14:08:31 <Zakim> +McCarron

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14:08:38 <ShaneM> zakim, I am McCarron

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14:09:02 <manu> Topic: RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 Proposed Edited Recommendations

1. RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 Proposed Edited Recommendations

14:09:52 <manu> RDFa Core is at http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2013/PER-rdfa-core-20130625/

Manu Sporny: RDFa Core is at http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2013/PER-rdfa-core-20130625/

14:09:54 <manu> XHTML+RDFa is at http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2013/PER-xhtml-rdfa-20130625/

Manu Sporny: XHTML+RDFa is at http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2013/PER-xhtml-rdfa-20130625/

14:10:16 <gkellogg> manu: we've asked stephane schumacher and alex milowski for updates to the spec.

Manu Sporny: we've asked stephane schumacher and alex milowski for updates to the spec.

14:10:33 <gkellogg> … Each has commented on the mailing list; shanem responded to all comments, and they are happy.

… Each has commented on the mailing list; shanem responded to all comments, and they are happy.

14:10:49 <gkellogg> … There's one thing outstanding from peter occil.

… There's one thing outstanding from peter occil.

14:11:03 <manu> Peter's comment is here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa/2013Apr/0015.html

Manu Sporny: Peter's comment is here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa/2013Apr/0015.html

14:11:47 <manu> Peter says that step 11 should change

Manu Sporny: Peter says that step 11 should change

14:11:51 <manu> in RDFa Core

Manu Sporny: in RDFa Core

14:11:59 <manu> specifically "the rule for language tags should apply no matter which part of the step caused the literal value to be interpreted as a plain literal, rather than just to the last part"

Manu Sporny: specifically "the rule for language tags should apply no matter which part of the step caused the literal value to be interpreted as a plain literal, rather than just to the last part"

14:12:31 <manu> gkellogg: Yes, he's correct - I thought we had fixed it.

Gregg Kellogg: Yes, he's correct - I thought we had fixed it. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

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14:12:40 <niklasl> zakim, I am ??P32

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14:12:54 <manu> gkellogg: I think there was something included in a bullet that was following the last bullet.

Gregg Kellogg: I think there was something included in a bullet that was following the last bullet. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:13:08 <manu> Ivan: No, that's different. I have made that change. I'll come back to that later.

Ivan Herman: No, that's different. I have made that change. I'll come back to that later. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:13:08 <gkellogg> ivan: I made some review this morning; I'll come back to it.

Ivan Herman: I made some review this morning; I'll come back to it.

14:13:29 <gkellogg> … I think the issue is purely editorial.

… I think the issue is purely editorial.

14:14:14 <gkellogg> … Text already says if it is a plain literal, apply the language of the node.

… Text already says if it is a plain literal, apply the language of the node.

14:14:39 <gkellogg> … I think the indentation level is wrong.

… I think the indentation level is wrong.

14:15:03 <gkellogg> manu: that was the only comment I thought we had missed.

Manu Sporny: that was the only comment I thought we had missed.

14:15:47 <gkellogg> shanem: Ivan sent two comments that I agree with, and will integrate.

Shane McCarron: Ivan sent two comments that I agree with, and will integrate.

14:16:01 <gkellogg> ivan: there are a couple of more serious comments, and a markup error.

Ivan Herman: there are a couple of more serious comments, and a markup error.

14:16:25 <gkellogg> … In other standards, when we make an edited recommendation, we add 2nd edition.

… In other standards, when we make an edited recommendation, we add 2nd edition.

14:16:29 <gkellogg> shanem: already done.

Shane McCarron: already done.

14:17:25 <gkellogg> ivan: Regarding using HTTP language, it's more complicated.

Ivan Herman: Regarding using HTTP language, it's more complicated.

14:17:58 <gkellogg> … HTML5+RDFa document 3.3 refers to HTML5 to determine the language of a node.

… HTML5+RDFa document 3.3 refers to HTML5 to determine the language of a node.

14:18:27 <gkellogg> … This section in HTML5 explicitly refers to using the HTTP language mechanism too.

… This section in HTML5 explicitly refers to using the HTTP language mechanism too.

14:18:48 <gkellogg> … If we follow the letter of this, an HTML5+RDFa document must also use this mechanism.

… If we follow the letter of this, an HTML5+RDFa document must also use this mechanism.

14:19:09 <gkellogg> … My answer was that we can't do it, we can only use markup; however, our document should make that clear, it doesn't say that.

… My answer was that we can't do it, we can only use markup; however, our document should make that clear, it doesn't say that.

14:19:23 <gkellogg> … It doesn't change any implementations.

… It doesn't change any implementations.

14:19:48 <gkellogg> manu: we should make it clear in HTML5+RDFa spec that while it says you can get language from the header, in many cases it's impossible to do.

Manu Sporny: we should make it clear in HTML5+RDFa spec that while it says you can get language from the header, in many cases it's impossible to do.

14:20:01 <gkellogg> scor: can we do this in HTML5 DOM?

Niklas Lindström: can we do this in HTML5 DOM?

14:20:13 <gkellogg> ivan: Peter claims that even DOM doesn't do that.

Ivan Herman: Peter claims that even DOM doesn't do that.

14:20:40 <gkellogg> … We should say it works like HTML5 documentation, except language information from a higher level protocol, such as HTTP, is not taken into account.

… We should say it works like HTML5 documentation, except language information from a higher level protocol, such as HTTP, is not taken into account.

14:21:03 <gkellogg> manu: I'll ping Hixie to see why that language is in there in the first place.

Manu Sporny: I'll ping Hixie to see why that language is in there in the first place.

14:21:23 <manu> ACTION: Manu to ask WHATWG about language being inserted into the DOM from an HTTP Header.

ACTION: Manu to ask WHATWG about language being inserted into the DOM from an HTTP Header.

14:21:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-122 - Ask WHATWG about language being inserted into the DOM from an HTTP Header. [on Manu Sporny - due 2013-06-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-122 - Ask WHATWG about language being inserted into the DOM from an HTTP Header. [on Manu Sporny - due 2013-06-06].

14:22:01 <gkellogg> ivan: even if the DOM does something, can we handle it?

Ivan Herman: even if the DOM does something, can we handle it?

14:22:15 <gkellogg> … What would the DOM do?

… What would the DOM do?

14:22:28 <gkellogg> s/scor/niklasl/
14:23:20 <gkellogg> manu: I'll find out later today.

Manu Sporny: I'll find out later today.

14:23:21 <gkellogg> manu: I made a pass through the last couple of months of comments, and I think we've handled everything.

Manu Sporny: I made a pass through the last couple of months of comments, and I think we've handled everything.

14:23:47 <gkellogg> topic: Updated RDFa Primer 1.1

2. Updated RDFa Primer 1.1

14:24:11 <gkellogg> ivan: it's ready to go, but it's a node, so I'm note sure we want to publish it together with the PERs.

Ivan Herman: it's ready to go, but it's a node, so I'm note sure we want to publish it together with the PERs.

14:24:33 <gkellogg> … It doesn't have to go through director's call. I haven't generated HTML, but the ReSpec is final. We're ready to go with respect to this spec.

… It doesn't have to go through director's call. I haven't generated HTML, but the ReSpec is final. We're ready to go with respect to this spec.

14:25:09 <manu> Topic: HTML+RDFa 1.1 Proposed Recommendation

3. HTML+RDFa 1.1 Proposed Recommendation

14:25:15 <gkellogg> manu: I think it's ready to go mod two issues.

Manu Sporny: I think it's ready to go mod two issues.

14:25:25 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2013/PR-html-rdfa-20130625/

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2013/PR-html-rdfa-20130625/

14:25:45 <gkellogg> … First is Alex Milowski's issue.

… First is Alex Milowski's issue.

14:25:50 <manu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2013May/0051.html

Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2013May/0051.html

14:26:17 <gkellogg> … He sent in some editorial comments, and pointed out that we might have some unnecessary text in HTML+RDFa, specifically step 8.

… He sent in some editorial comments, and pointed out that we might have some unnecessary text in HTML+RDFa, specifically step 8.

14:26:36 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2013/PR-html-rdfa-20130625/#additional-rdfa-processing-rules

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2013/PR-html-rdfa-20130625/#additional-rdfa-processing-rules

14:26:48 <manu> "In Section 7.5, processing step 5, and processing step 6, if no IRI is provided by a resource attribute (e.g., @about, @href, @resource, or @src), then first check to see if the element is the head or body element. If it is, then set new subject to parent object."

Manu Sporny: "In Section 7.5, processing step 5, and processing step 6, if no IRI is provided by a resource attribute (e.g., @about, @href, @resource, or @src), then first check to see if the element is the head or body element. If it is, then set new subject to parent object."

14:27:10 <ivan> -> RDFa 1.1 Primer new version: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-primer/Overview-src.html

Ivan Herman: -> RDFa 1.1 Primer new version: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-primer/Overview-src.html

14:27:25 <gkellogg> … It seems redundant in step 6, which sets new subject to parent object.

… It seems redundant in step 6, which sets new subject to parent object.

14:28:06 <manu> gkellogg: This is necessary - if you use @typeof on HEAD or BODY, you don't want it to be a bnode.

Gregg Kellogg: This is necessary - if you use @typeof on HEAD or BODY, you don't want it to be a bnode. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:28:21 <manu> gkellogg: Otherwise, you'd need an explicit resource... so this step 8 is necessary.

Gregg Kellogg: Otherwise, you'd need an explicit resource... so this step 8 is necessary. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:28:43 <gkellogg> manu: question is, when is the rule applied.

Manu Sporny: question is, when is the rule applied.

14:29:00 <gkellogg> … Do you run rule first, and then the rest of the processing steps.

… Do you run rule first, and then the rest of the processing steps.

14:29:53 <gkellogg> manu: everyone's gotten it right, but that's probably because of the test suite, not the spec.

Manu Sporny: everyone's gotten it right, but that's probably because of the test suite, not the spec.

14:30:13 <gkellogg> … I think we could be clearer. We could say that the rule should be run at the beginning of rules 5 and 6

… I think we could be clearer. We could say that the rule should be run at the beginning of rules 5 and 6

14:30:48 <gkellogg> ivan: I'm scared of touching the text.

Ivan Herman: I'm scared of touching the text.

14:30:51 <ShaneM> I don't want to touch it.

Shane McCarron: I don't want to touch it.

14:31:42 <gkellogg> ivan: how do implementations handle this.

Ivan Herman: how do implementations handle this.

14:32:11 <gkellogg> manu: I think all implementors know what the effect should be. I don't think it will be difficult to bring implementations in line.

Manu Sporny: I think all implementors know what the effect should be. I don't think it will be difficult to bring implementations in line.

14:33:03 <manu> gkellogg: I look for @about first, and if there is none, I use the parent object....

Gregg Kellogg: I look for @about first, and if there is none, I use the parent object.... [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:33:16 <gkellogg> manu: I'm fine with leaving text as is.

Manu Sporny: I'm fine with leaving text as is.

14:33:41 <manu> gkellogg: I think there is too much risk of doing a last minute change and introducing a bug.

Gregg Kellogg: I think there is too much risk of doing a last minute change and introducing a bug. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:33:55 <gkellogg> manu: no change, then.

Manu Sporny: no change, then.

14:34:23 <gkellogg> manu: The other issue was ivan's concern.

Manu Sporny: The other issue was ivan's concern.

14:34:24 <niklasl> q+

Niklas Lindström: q+

14:35:03 <gkellogg> ivan: You refer to RDF Concepts using [[RDF-CONCEPTS]] rather than [[RDF11-CONCEPTS]], to make things clear.

Ivan Herman: You refer to RDF Concepts using [[RDF-CONCEPTS]] rather than [[RDF11-CONCEPTS]], to make things clear.

14:35:27 <gkellogg> … Also, you forgot to take out that property copying is a feature at risk.

… Also, you forgot to take out that property copying is a feature at risk.

14:36:04 <gkellogg> … No, it's out, but not listed as one of the changes in the status section.

… No, it's out, but not listed as one of the changes in the status section.

14:36:13 <manu> ack niklasl

Manu Sporny: ack niklasl

14:36:19 <gkellogg> … Making clear that it was at risk and is now accepted.

… Making clear that it was at risk and is now accepted.

14:36:36 <gkellogg> niklasl: There is a google example that might be an issue, relating to HTML5.

Niklas Lindström: There is a google example that might be an issue, relating to HTML5.

14:36:51 <niklasl> .. https://developers.google.com/gmail/schemas/embedding-schemas-in-emails

Niklas Lindström: .. https://developers.google.com/gmail/schemas/embedding-schemas-in-emails

14:37:08 <gkellogg> … It's the example of microdata in embedding schemas.

… It's the example of microdata in embedding schemas.

14:37:20 <gkellogg> … In this they use span in head.

… In this they use span in head.

14:37:51 <gkellogg> … It does not validate, but when I change it to RDFa, it validates even worse.

… It does not validate, but when I change it to RDFa, it validates even worse.

14:38:28 <gkellogg> … I was wondering if there was change that allowed span in head if used with microdata attributes.

… I was wondering if there was change that allowed span in head if used with microdata attributes.

14:38:46 <gkellogg> ivan: I think that's invalid.

Ivan Herman: I think that's invalid.

14:39:05 <scor> afaik it is not valid

Stéphane Corlosquet: afaik it is not valid

14:39:07 <gkellogg> niklasl: I wondered if it might be a change in HTML5.

Niklas Lindström: I wondered if it might be a change in HTML5.

14:39:49 <gkellogg> ivan: it also adds a time element in the head, which is also not allowed.

Ivan Herman: it also adds a time element in the head, which is also not allowed.

14:40:11 <gkellogg> niklasl: I just wanted to mention this, just to make sure they haven't tailored things to microdata.

Niklas Lindström: I just wanted to mention this, just to make sure they haven't tailored things to microdata.

14:41:17 <gkellogg> manu: We'll ping WHATWG to see if that's valid markup, or they intend it to be valid.

Manu Sporny: We'll ping WHATWG to see if that's valid markup, or they intend it to be valid.

14:41:35 <gkellogg> … If it is, we may need to add matching markup to HTML+RDFa.

… If it is, we may need to add matching markup to HTML+RDFa.

14:42:03 <gkellogg> niklasl: The only thing was the validator. When I changed it to RDFa, it complained that @property is not allowed.

Niklas Lindström: The only thing was the validator. When I changed it to RDFa, it complained that @property is not allowed.

14:43:45 <manu> ACTION: Manu to ask WHATWG about the Schemas in Gmail example where they place SPAN/TIME in HEAD.

ACTION: Manu to ask WHATWG about the Schemas in Gmail example where they place SPAN/TIME in HEAD.

14:43:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-123 - Ask WHATWG about the Schemas in Gmail example where they place SPAN/TIME in HEAD. [on Manu Sporny - due 2013-06-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-123 - Ask WHATWG about the Schemas in Gmail example where they place SPAN/TIME in HEAD. [on Manu Sporny - due 2013-06-06].

14:44:21 <gkellogg> manu: any concern about specs going to PR?

Manu Sporny: any concern about specs going to PR?

14:44:31 <gkellogg> ivan: better to make this a resolution.

Ivan Herman: better to make this a resolution.

14:45:18 <manu> PROPOSAL: RDFa Core 1.1, XHTML+RDFa 1.1, RDFa Primer 1.1, and HTML+RDFa 1.1 are complete, all comments have been addressed, and each document is ready to go to the next stage in the publication process.

PROPOSED: RDFa Core 1.1, XHTML+RDFa 1.1, RDFa Primer 1.1, and HTML+RDFa 1.1 are complete, all comments have been addressed, and each document is ready to go to the next stage in the publication process.

14:45:19 <manu> +1

Manu Sporny: +1

14:45:20 <niklasl> +1

Niklas Lindström: +1

14:45:23 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:45:23 <scor> +1

Stéphane Corlosquet: +1

14:45:24 <gkellogg> gkellogg: +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

14:45:38 <ShaneM> +1

Shane McCarron: +1

14:45:38 <Steven> +1

Steven Pemberton: +1

14:46:35 <manu> RESOLVED: RDFa Core 1.1, XHTML+RDFa 1.1, RDFa Primer 1.1, and HTML+RDFa 1.1 are complete, all comments have been addressed, and each document is ready to go to the next stage in the publication process.

RESOLVED: RDFa Core 1.1, XHTML+RDFa 1.1, RDFa Primer 1.1, and HTML+RDFa 1.1 are complete, all comments have been addressed, and each document is ready to go to the next stage in the publication process.

14:46:50 <manu> Topic: Test Suite Changes

4. Test Suite Changes

14:47:01 <manu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2013May/0038.html

Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2013May/0038.html

14:48:28 <manu> gkellogg: These changes were cases where xml:base was not being handled properly - impossible to do for a DOM implementation, so the proposal and change was to remove that test from XHTML1.

Gregg Kellogg: These changes were cases where xml:base was not being handled properly - impossible to do for a DOM implementation, so the proposal and change was to remove that test from XHTML1. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:49:05 <manu> https://github.com/rdfa/rdfa-website/commit/85ba26a4fa310ab93a40a55efa4d54e70b22135b

Manu Sporny: https://github.com/rdfa/rdfa-website/commit/85ba26a4fa310ab93a40a55efa4d54e70b22135b

14:49:10 <manu> https://github.com/rdfa/rdfa-website/commit/b10884ec47ade8c38d798443b0606b3e4806e63c

Manu Sporny: https://github.com/rdfa/rdfa-website/commit/b10884ec47ade8c38d798443b0606b3e4806e63c

14:50:11 <manu> gkellogg: The first one was a bug in HTML4 version - we weren't reporting on HTML4, but Alex did anyway. It seems quite redundant, but it's the only thing that HTML+RDFa 1.1 refers to that's already a REC. HTML4 should be using HTML+RDFa 1.1.

Gregg Kellogg: The first one was a bug in HTML4 version - we weren't reporting on HTML4, but Alex did anyway. It seems quite redundant, but it's the only thing that HTML+RDFa 1.1 refers to that's already a REC. HTML4 should be using HTML+RDFa 1.1. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:50:37 <manu> gkellogg: The second change combined several different things together... see the comments here: https://github.com/rdfa/rdfa-website/commit/b10884ec47ade8c38d798443b0606b3e4806e63c

Gregg Kellogg: The second change combined several different things together... see the comments here: https://github.com/rdfa/rdfa-website/commit/b10884ec47ade8c38d798443b0606b3e4806e63c [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:51:17 <manu> gkellogg: The HTML specification requires that if they both exist, they're the same... so we shouldn't be testing violations of the spec, by removing it, we get rid of the issue. It's still used on the XHTML variations.

Gregg Kellogg: The HTML specification requires that if they both exist, they're the same... so we shouldn't be testing violations of the spec, by removing it, we get rid of the issue. It's still used on the XHTML variations. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:51:28 <manu> gkellogg: I think that's pretty much it.

Gregg Kellogg: I think that's pretty much it. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:52:17 <manu> gkellogg: Remove xhtml1 from test 0109, which is defined for xhtml1, html4, and html5 for both RDFa 1.0 and 1.1.

Gregg Kellogg: Remove xhtml1 from test 0109, which is defined for xhtml1, html4, and html5 for both RDFa 1.0 and 1.1. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:52:35 <manu> gkellogg: Remove test from XML1 since it can't be done... its' not valid for HTML4 and HTML5 either - XHTML attribute.

Gregg Kellogg: Remove test from XML1 since it can't be done... its' not valid for HTML4 and HTML5 either - XHTML attribute. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:53:39 <gkellogg> close ACTION-120

close ACTION-120

14:53:39 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-120 Ping Alex Milowski about doing another EARL report..

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-120 Ping Alex Milowski about doing another EARL report..

14:53:45 <gkellogg> close ACTION-121

close ACTION-121

14:53:45 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-121 Update EARL reports at the end of March 2013..

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-121 Update EARL reports at the end of March 2013..

14:53:51 <gkellogg> manu: Ok test suite looks good, everyone agrees w/ the changes... moving on.

Manu Sporny: Ok test suite looks good, everyone agrees w/ the changes... moving on.

14:53:51 <manu> Topic: Timeline

5. Timeline

14:53:52 <Zakim> -McCarron

Zakim IRC Bot: -McCarron

14:54:21 <gkellogg> manu: We said we're ready to go to the next stage and request a transition call.

Manu Sporny: We said we're ready to go to the next stage and request a transition call.

14:54:39 <gkellogg> ivan: I'd rather have a resolution for the transition, as we're jumping over CR.

Ivan Herman: I'd rather have a resolution for the transition, as we're jumping over CR.

14:56:00 <manu> PROPOSAL: Publish the HTML+RDFa 1.1 specification as a Proposed Recommendation, skipping the Candidate Recommendation phase due to multiple interoperable implementations, targetting a publication date of June 25th 2013.

PROPOSED: Publish the HTML+RDFa 1.1 specification as a Proposed Recommendation, skipping the Candidate Recommendation phase due to multiple interoperable implementations, targetting a publication date of June 25th 2013.

14:56:11 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:56:12 <manu> +1

Manu Sporny: +1

14:56:21 <gkellogg> gkellogg: +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

14:56:22 <Steven> +1

Steven Pemberton: +1

14:56:23 <scor> +1

Stéphane Corlosquet: +1

14:56:25 <niklasl> +1

Niklas Lindström: +1

14:56:26 <ShaneM> +1

Shane McCarron: +1

14:56:29 <manu> RESOLVED: Publish the HTML+RDFa 1.1 specification as a Proposed Recommendation, skipping the Candidate Recommendation phase due to multiple interoperable implementations, targetting a publication date of June 25th 2013.

RESOLVED: Publish the HTML+RDFa 1.1 specification as a Proposed Recommendation, skipping the Candidate Recommendation phase due to multiple interoperable implementations, targetting a publication date of June 25th 2013.

14:57:21 <manu> PROPOSED: Publish the RDfa Core 1.1, XHTML+RDFa 1.1 documents as Proposed Edited Recommendations with a publication date of June 25th 2013.

PROPOSED: Publish the RDfa Core 1.1, XHTML+RDFa 1.1 documents as Proposed Edited Recommendations with a publication date of June 25th 2013.

14:57:25 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:57:25 <niklasl> +1

Niklas Lindström: +1

14:57:26 <manu> +1

Manu Sporny: +1

14:57:28 <gkellogg> gkellogg: +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

14:57:29 <scor> +1

Stéphane Corlosquet: +1

14:57:30 <Steven> +1

Steven Pemberton: +1

14:57:35 <ShaneM> +1

Shane McCarron: +1

14:57:32 <manu> RESOLVED: Publish the RDfa Core 1.1, XHTML+RDFa 1.1 documents as Proposed Edited Recommendations with a publication date of June 25th 2013.

RESOLVED: Publish the RDfa Core 1.1, XHTML+RDFa 1.1 documents as Proposed Edited Recommendations with a publication date of June 25th 2013.

14:59:33 <gkellogg> ivan: previous resolution is fine for notes.

Ivan Herman: previous resolution is fine for notes.

15:00:06 <gkellogg> http://rdfa.info/earl-reports/earl.html

http://rdfa.info/earl-reports/earl.html

15:06:14 <gkellogg> ivan: only week we can do the transition meeting is the week of June 17th.

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Ivan Herman: only week we can do the transition meeting is the week of June 17th.

15:06:42 <gkellogg> … You send out the request to the chairs next week, then I will start a doodle to set a time for the week of the 17th.

… You send out the request to the chairs next week, then I will start a doodle to set a time for the week of the 17th.

15:07:30 <gkellogg> ivan: we should call out the approach we want to use for references.

Ivan Herman: we should call out the approach we want to use for references.

15:08:06 <gkellogg> manu: we have a GSoC intern assigned, so we'll meet with him soon.

Manu Sporny: we have a GSoC intern assigned, so we'll meet with him soon.

15:08:32 <gkellogg> niklasl: In our library work, we're using RDFa to create index card pages for historical data.

Niklas Lindström: In our library work, we're using RDFa to create index card pages for historical data.

15:08:41 <gkellogg> … This came from other's in the conference.

… This came from other's in the conference.

15:09:11 <gkellogg> manu: also, activity streams looks like it may use JSON-LD.

Manu Sporny: also, activity streams looks like it may use JSON-LD.

15:09:19 <Zakim> -manu

Zakim IRC Bot: -manu

15:09:21 <Zakim> -gkellogg

Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg

15:09:21 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

15:09:22 <Zakim> -niklasl

Zakim IRC Bot: -niklasl

15:09:22 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended

15:09:22 <Zakim> Attendees were manu, Ivan, gkellogg, McCarron, niklasl

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were manu, Ivan, gkellogg, McCarron, niklasl



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