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RDFa Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 31 January 2013

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2013Jan/0096.html
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Gregg Kellogg, Ivan Herman, Manu Sporny, Niklas Lindström, Shane McCarron, Stéphane Corlosquet, Ted Thibodeau
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Resolutions
  1. Publish the HTML+RDFa 1.1 specification as a Last Call Working Draft. Change the short-name to 'html-rdfa'. Publish the specification on February 7th, 2013 with a LC period of 3 weeks from the time of publication. link
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14:10:11 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
14:10:11 <trackbot> Date: 31 January 2013
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15:03:23 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2013Jan/0096.html
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15:03:52 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

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15:07:04 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: RDFa WG - http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/ - current agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2013Jan/0096.html

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15:08:07 <Zakim> +Ivan

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15:08:33 <Zakim> +Shane_McCarron

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15:08:50 <ShaneM> zakim, I am Shane_McCarron

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15:12:21 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2013Jan/0096.html
15:12:41 <niklasl> manu: Agenda for today is to review recent changes to the html+rdfa spec, then do proposal to LC, anything else?

Manu Sporny: Agenda for today is to review recent changes to the html+rdfa spec, then do proposal to LC, anything else? [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:12:56 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:13:17 <niklasl> scor: Guha on list of acknowledgments?

Stéphane Corlosquet: Guha on list of acknowledgments? [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:14:30 <niklasl> ivan: before voting, we should spend some time with new issue from dr. olaf

Ivan Herman: before voting, we should spend some time with new issue from dr. olaf [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:14:43 <niklasl> manu: I've sent a response, but yes, we should talk about that

Manu Sporny: I've sent a response, but yes, we should talk about that [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:15:37 <manu> Topic: DOCTYPE declarations for HTML+RDFa 1.1

1. DOCTYPE declarations for HTML+RDFa 1.1

15:16:16 <niklasl> manu: HTML5 is not versioned, so there is no real wiggle room on this...

Manu Sporny: HTML5 is not versioned, so there is no real wiggle room on this... [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:16:55 <niklasl> ivan: shane's remark: processor will manage with versions, but it will be illegal...

Ivan Herman: shane's remark: processor will manage with versions, but it will be illegal... [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:17:53 <niklasl> manu: we're not gonna make any changes based on this

Manu Sporny: we're not gonna make any changes based on this [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:18:26 <niklasl> manu: so at this point we make sure that RDFa is backwards compatible

Manu Sporny: so at this point we make sure that RDFa is backwards compatible [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:19:38 <niklasl> manu: HTML5 processing of doctype has bled out of browsers and is now the common practise

Manu Sporny: HTML5 processing of doctype has bled out of browsers and is now the common practise [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:20:26 <niklasl> ivan: so this is not a formal issue and we can consider this closed

Ivan Herman: so this is not a formal issue and we can consider this closed [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:20:28 <niklasl> manu: yes, we already talked about this for months and the group doesn't intend to change the decision of how we deal with it. What we have right now strikes a reasonable compromise.

Manu Sporny: yes, we already talked about this for months and the group doesn't intend to change the decision of how we deal with it. What we have right now strikes a reasonable compromise. [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:20:35 <manu> Topic: Property Copying Algorithm

2. Property Copying Algorithm

15:20:41 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-in-html/#implementing-property-copying

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-in-html/#implementing-property-copying

15:20:50 <niklasl> gregg: I've changed the rules back to the previous form

Gregg Kellogg: I've changed the rules back to the previous form [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:21:36 <niklasl> gregg: two steps: 1. rule pattern copy; copy all properties, including rdf:type; 2. pattern clean, remove copy refs to pattern, removes pattern, and the pattern type copied over

Gregg Kellogg: two steps: 1. rule pattern copy; copy all properties, including rdf:type; 2. pattern clean, remove copy refs to pattern, removes pattern, and the pattern type copied over [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:22:13 <niklasl> manu: any comment on this, or anything else?

Manu Sporny: any comment on this, or anything else? [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:22:29 <niklasl> manu: some editorial issues may remain, but that's fine for LC

Manu Sporny: some editorial issues may remain, but that's fine for LC [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:23:03 <niklasl> ivan: stefan did a good job

Ivan Herman: stefan did a good job [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:24:40 <niklasl> ivan: let's plan a bit ahead. do we intend to go to a separate CR, or direct to PR?

Ivan Herman: let's plan a bit ahead. do we intend to go to a separate CR, or direct to PR? [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:24:49 <niklasl> ivan: 3 weeks is the minimal LC

Ivan Herman: 3 weeks is the minimal LC [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:25:08 <niklasl> ivan: do we wish to extend this a bit and then go directly to PR?

Ivan Herman: do we wish to extend this a bit and then go directly to PR? [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:26:15 <niklasl> manu: my thinking is we can say 3 weeks, but stay in "limbo" for two more if needed for interoperable impls. If we say 5 and are done in 3, we would need to wait

Manu Sporny: my thinking is we can say 3 weeks, but stay in "limbo" for two more if needed for interoperable impls. If we say 5 and are done in 3, we would need to wait [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:26:37 <niklasl> ivan: we should aim to go to PR together with the other edited documents. How much time do we need for those?

Ivan Herman: we should aim to go to PR together with the other edited documents. How much time do we need for those? [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:28:30 <niklasl> ivan: one semi-technical change on the processing steps (didn't appear to be problematic)? And a DTD issue in the XML stuff.

Ivan Herman: one semi-technical change on the processing steps (didn't appear to be problematic)? And a DTD issue in the XML stuff. [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:29:02 <niklasl> manu: there should only be minor editorial mixups; nothing troublesome

Manu Sporny: there should only be minor editorial mixups; nothing troublesome [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:29:10 <niklasl> manu: doable in 3 weeks

Manu Sporny: doable in 3 weeks [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:29:51 <niklasl> niklasl: still waiting for feedback from Martin Hepp on property copying.

Niklas Lindström: still waiting for feedback from Martin Hepp on property copying. [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:30:25 <niklasl> manu: also a response from Tab

Manu Sporny: also a response from Tab [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:30:47 <niklasl> manu: re. formal objection

Manu Sporny: re. formal objection [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:32:20 <niklasl> ivan: we need to make sure this is handled correctly

Ivan Herman: we need to make sure this is handled correctly [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:32:27 <manu> PROPOSAL: Publish the HTML+RDFa 1.1 specification as a Last Call Working Draft. Change the short-name to 'html-rdfa'. Publish the specification on February 7th, 2013 with a LC period of 3 weeks from the time of publication.

PROPOSED: Publish the HTML+RDFa 1.1 specification as a Last Call Working Draft. Change the short-name to 'html-rdfa'. Publish the specification on February 7th, 2013 with a LC period of 3 weeks from the time of publication.

15:32:32 <gkellogg> +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

15:32:32 <manu> +1

Manu Sporny: +1

15:32:34 <niklasl> niklasl: +1

Niklas Lindström: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:32:42 <scor> +1

Stéphane Corlosquet: +1

15:32:51 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:32:57 <ShaneM> +1

Shane McCarron: +1

15:33:02 <manu> RESOLVED: Publish the HTML+RDFa 1.1 specification as a Last Call Working Draft. Change the short-name to 'html-rdfa'. Publish the specification on February 7th, 2013 with a LC period of 3 weeks from the time of publication.

RESOLVED: Publish the HTML+RDFa 1.1 specification as a Last Call Working Draft. Change the short-name to 'html-rdfa'. Publish the specification on February 7th, 2013 with a LC period of 3 weeks from the time of publication.

15:33:34 <manu> Topic: Patent Policy Issue

3. Patent Policy Issue

15:34:17 <niklasl> manu: the notice for when patent policy response period started wasn't sent out in time (due to bug in automatic send out)

Manu Sporny: the notice for when patent policy response period started wasn't sent out in time (due to bug in automatic send out) [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:34:50 <niklasl> manu: every member must response before the time period ends

Manu Sporny: every member must response before the time period ends [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:35:29 <niklasl> manu: at LC, a poll will be sent out, and *everyone* in the group have to say that they have nothing to exclude etc. in time

Manu Sporny: at LC, a poll will be sent out, and *everyone* in the group have to say that they have nothing to exclude etc. in time [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:36:06 <scor> q+ to ask when the "at risk" label will be removed from the property copying feature in the spec

Stéphane Corlosquet: q+ to ask when the "at risk" label will be removed from the property copying feature in the spec

15:36:11 <manu> ack ivan

Manu Sporny: ack ivan

15:37:02 <niklasl> ivan: we have more people on the list

Ivan Herman: we have more people on the list [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:37:07 <niklasl> manu: but not in good standing

Manu Sporny: but not in good standing [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:37:18 <niklasl> ivan: have to ask Ian whether good standing is relevant here

Ivan Herman: have to ask Ian whether good standing is relevant here [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:38:00 <manu> Topic: At Risk Features

4. At Risk Features

15:38:17 <niklasl> q+ to quickly ask about the RDFa put into the spec markup (by ReSpec?)

Niklas Lindström: q+ to quickly ask about the RDFa put into the spec markup (by ReSpec?)

15:38:38 <manu> ack scor

Manu Sporny: ack scor

15:38:38 <Zakim> scor, you wanted to ask when the "at risk" label will be removed from the property copying feature in the spec

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15:38:40 <manu> ack niklasl

Manu Sporny: ack niklasl

15:38:40 <Zakim> niklasl, you wanted to quickly ask about the RDFa put into the spec markup (by ReSpec?)

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15:38:43 <gkellogg> q+

Gregg Kellogg: q+

15:40:01 <niklasl> ... would be great to have chapter labels as well.

Niklas Lindström: ... would be great to have chapter labels as well.

15:40:08 <Zakim> -scor

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15:40:14 <manu> ack gkellogg

Manu Sporny: ack gkellogg

15:40:40 <niklasl> gregg: the test suite is in a pretty good state. the property copying remains.

Gregg Kellogg: the test suite is in a pretty good state. the property copying remains. [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:40:50 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:41:34 <niklasl> gregg: now to generate test results report from the implementations.

Gregg Kellogg: now to generate test results report from the implementations. [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:42:09 <manu> ack ivan

Manu Sporny: ack ivan

15:42:13 <niklasl> ivan: formally for PR we only need to generate HTML5+XHTML5

Ivan Herman: formally for PR we only need to generate HTML5+XHTML5 [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:43:07 <manu> q+ to make a point about property copying

Manu Sporny: q+ to make a point about property copying

15:43:31 <manu> ack manu

Manu Sporny: ack manu

15:43:31 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to make a point about property copying

Zakim IRC Bot: manu, you wanted to make a point about property copying

15:44:02 <niklasl> ivan: do we want to extend the test suite to see that property copying does not happen on the rest of the host languages

Ivan Herman: do we want to extend the test suite to see that property copying does not happen on the rest of the host languages [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:44:26 <niklasl> manu: implementations can do a willful violation, and then the specs need to be updated in the future

Manu Sporny: implementations can do a willful violation, and then the specs need to be updated in the future [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:44:37 <niklasl> q+

Niklas Lindström: q+

15:44:48 <niklasl> q-

Niklas Lindström: q-

15:45:03 <niklasl> ivan: we both generate and remove triples

Ivan Herman: we both generate and remove triples [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:45:31 <niklasl> ivan: granted, only using RDFa vocab terms, but still

Ivan Herman: granted, only using RDFa vocab terms, but still [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:45:48 <niklasl> ivan: the test suite should only test it for HTML5+XHTML5, and be silent on the rest

Ivan Herman: the test suite should only test it for HTML5+XHTML5, and be silent on the rest [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:49:37 <manu> Topic: Role Attribute Module

5. Role Attribute Module

15:49:54 <niklasl> shane: for member companies, it would be great to have votes for the role attribute spec to PR

Shane McCarron: for member companies, it would be great to have votes for the role attribute spec to PR [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:50:02 <manu> ShaneM: Role attribute module PR vote is open, go vote!

Shane McCarron: Role attribute module PR vote is open, go vote! [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:50:44 <niklasl> ivan: we'll email about the list of changes for the other documents

Ivan Herman: we'll email about the list of changes for the other documents [ Scribe Assist by Niklas Lindström ]

15:50:50 <Zakim> -manu

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15:50:52 <Zakim> -gkellogg

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15:50:53 <Zakim> -Shane_McCarron

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15:53:44 <Zakim> -Ivan

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15:53:48 <Zakim> -niklasl

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15:53:50 <Zakim> Attendees were niklasl, manu, Ivan, gkellogg, scor, Shane_McCarron

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