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RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 12 January 2012

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Jan/0001.html
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Gregg Kellogg, Ivan Herman, Manu Sporny, Niklas Lindström, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Stéphane Corlosquet, Ted Thibodeau
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Steven Pemberton
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Adopt the publication timeline as discussed on this conference call, taking RDFa 1.1 to REC by the end of May 2012. link
Topics
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14:55:53 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
14:55:53 <trackbot> Date: 12 January 2012
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15:03:31 <manu1> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Jan/0001.html
15:04:06 <Steven> Scribe: STeven

(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)

15:04:11 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
15:04:54 <Steven> Topic: Planning

1. Planning

15:05:09 <Steven> Manu: Are we ready for LC, are we OK with the timeline?

Manu Sporny: Are we ready for LC, are we OK with the timeline?

15:05:20 <Steven> ... the first reviews are already coming in

... the first reviews are already coming in

15:05:29 <manu1> Topic: Any Remaining Issues?

2. Any Remaining Issues?

15:05:36 <Steven> ... so are there any remaining issues?

... so are there any remaining issues?

15:05:59 <Steven> Manu: Gavin Carothers of RDF WG is raising issues on CURIE syntax next week

Manu Sporny: Gavin Carothers of RDF WG is raising issues on CURIE syntax next week

15:06:17 <Steven> ... they feel that we are too inclusive

... they feel that we are too inclusive

15:06:39 <Steven> ... he's comment is about http://example.com being interpreted as CURIE

... he's comment is about http://example.com being interpreted as CURIE

15:06:50 <Steven> ... we need to tighten up the CURIE syntax

... we need to tighten up the CURIE syntax

15:06:59 <Steven> ... they propose a narrower definition in SPARQL

... they propose a narrower definition in SPARQL

15:07:13 <gkellogg> q+

Gregg Kellogg: q+

15:07:18 <Steven> ... so that people couldn't have http:// be detected as a CURIE

... so that people couldn't have http:// be detected as a CURIE

15:07:20 <ShaneM> q+ to ask about http

Shane McCarron: q+ to ask about http

15:07:33 <manu1> ack gkellogg

Manu Sporny: ack gkellogg

15:07:45 <niklasl> q+

Niklas Lindström: q+

15:07:52 <Steven> Gregg: One issue is the ability to have a CURIE with path information in it, can't have a slash, can you?

Gregg Kellogg: One issue is the ability to have a CURIE with path information in it, can't have a slash, can you?

15:08:19 <Steven> Manu: They allow slash in theirs, I believe.

Manu Sporny: They allow slash in theirs, I believe.

15:08:53 <manu1> ack shaneM

Manu Sporny: ack shaneM

15:08:53 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask about http

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15:08:59 <Steven> ... if it doesn't then we'd be in trouble

... if it doesn't then we'd be in trouble

15:09:24 <Steven> Shane: Why do they think http: can be detected as a CURIE?

Shane McCarron: Why do they think http: can be detected as a CURIE?

15:09:33 <Steven> Manu: if you declare http as a prefix

Manu Sporny: if you declare http as a prefix

15:09:54 <Steven> ... they think that it shouldn't be allowed, and be the same as in SPARQL; I'd be OK with it as is

... they think that it shouldn't be allowed, and be the same as in SPARQL; I'd be OK with it as is

15:10:15 <manu1> ack niklasl

Manu Sporny: ack niklasl

15:10:35 <Steven> Niklas: I too am wary about http: as prefix

Niklas Lindström: I too am wary about http: as prefix

15:10:49 <Steven> ... I'd be interested to see how it is done

... I'd be interested to see how it is done

15:11:22 <Steven> Manu: Two issues 1) backwards incompatible

Manu Sporny: Two issues 1) backwards incompatible

15:11:39 <Steven> ... if no one is using it, then there's no problem surely

... if no one is using it, then there's no problem surely

15:11:45 <Steven> ... angels on the head of a pin

... angels on the head of a pin

15:11:47 <ShaneM> note that almost all of RDF is 'angels on the head of a pin'

Shane McCarron: note that almost all of RDF is 'angels on the head of a pin'

15:12:03 <Steven> ... 2) we wouldn't be using PNAME from SPARQL anyway, but a modification that doesn't allow '//' to exist at the beginning of a reference (to prevent http:// from being detected as a CURIE)

... 2) we wouldn't be using PNAME from SPARQL anyway, but a modification that doesn't allow '//' to exist at the beginning of a reference (to prevent http:// from being detected as a CURIE)

15:12:24 <Steven> ... so we would still have a different range of characters

... so we would still have a different range of characters

15:12:41 <Steven> Steven: Anyway, SPARQL did it after we did

Steven Pemberton: Anyway, SPARQL did it after we did

15:12:47 <Steven> Manu: heh. True.

Manu Sporny: heh. True.

15:13:04 <Steven> Manu: The rest seems to be editorial issues from RDF WG

Manu Sporny: The rest seems to be editorial issues from RDF WG

15:13:04 <Steven> Shane: Except for the "URI/IRI" thing, that may not be editorial

Shane McCarron: Except for the "URI/IRI" thing, that may not be editorial

15:13:37 <manu1> Steven: I thought we referenced IRI anyway, it's just called URI, right?

Steven Pemberton: I thought we referenced IRI anyway, it's just called URI, right? [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:13:43 <Steven> Shane: No, in some cases it must be URI, like for @href and @src in HTML... I don't think we can change URI to IRI

Shane McCarron: No, in some cases it must be URI, like for @href and @src in HTML... I don't think we can change URI to IRI

15:13:48 <niklasl> q+

Niklas Lindström: q+

15:13:51 <manu1> Shane: The cases where we say URI, we mean URI - like in @href and @src

Shane McCarron: The cases where we say URI, we mean URI - like in @href and @src [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:14:02 <gkellogg> q+ to talk about @href being a URL, not a URI

Gregg Kellogg: q+ to talk about @href being a URL, not a URI

15:15:04 <Steven> SHane: I agree that it is an editorial change

Shane McCarron: I agree that it is an editorial change

15:15:12 <Steven> s/SH/Sh/
15:15:16 <manu1> ack niklasl

Manu Sporny: ack niklasl

15:15:34 <Steven> Niklas: I agree that @href and @src are OK

Niklas Lindström: I agree that @href and @src are OK

15:15:55 <Steven> ... but there are someplaces where we need to check the details, we use IRI where we mean that

... but there are someplaces where we need to check the details, we use IRI where we mean that

15:16:37 <Steven> Shane: In M12N URI points to ANYURI

Shane McCarron: In M12N URI points to ANYURI

15:16:51 <manu1> ack gkellogg

Manu Sporny: ack gkellogg

15:16:51 <Zakim> gkellogg, you wanted to talk about @href being a URL, not a URI

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15:16:59 <Steven> Steven: Which is the same value space, but a different lexical space IIRC

Steven Pemberton: Which is the same value space, but a different lexical space IIRC

15:17:09 <Steven> Gregg: HTML spec uses URL

Gregg Kellogg: HTML spec uses URL

15:17:19 <Steven> ... but there are open issues on that

... but there are open issues on that

15:17:36 <Steven> ... I'd be wary of depending on the range of attributes that we are importing

... I'd be wary of depending on the range of attributes that we are importing

15:17:49 <manu1> q+

Manu Sporny: q+

15:17:58 <manu1> ack manu1

Manu Sporny: ack manu1

15:18:00 <Steven> ... point out that it is dependent on host language

... point out that it is dependent on host language

15:18:17 <Steven> Manu: Can't we just say that RDFa supports IRIs everywhere, but keep in mind that the host language can restrict the lexical space. In that case, respect the host language, but RDFa can process IRIs everywhere. Can we reword along these lines, Shane?

Manu Sporny: Can't we just say that RDFa supports IRIs everywhere, but keep in mind that the host language can restrict the lexical space. In that case, respect the host language, but RDFa can process IRIs everywhere. Can we reword along these lines, Shane?

15:18:34 <Steven> ... use IRI with a caveat

... use IRI with a caveat

15:18:50 <Steven> Shane: probably

Shane McCarron: probably

15:19:16 <Steven> Manu: But this would change our datatypes

Manu Sporny: But this would change our datatypes

15:19:23 <Steven> Shane: No I think it would be OK

Shane McCarron: No I think it would be OK

15:19:56 <Steven> Manu: Any other issues?

Manu Sporny: Any other issues?

15:20:00 <Steven> [silence]

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15:20:13 <Steven> Manu: OK, discuss remaining issues next week, and then go to LC

Manu Sporny: OK, discuss remaining issues next week, and then go to LC

15:20:16 <manu1> Topic: Review of RDFa Lite 1.1 and HTML+RDFa 1.1 Updates

3. Review of RDFa Lite 1.1 and HTML+RDFa 1.1 Updates

15:20:26 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-lite/

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-lite/

15:20:31 <Steven> Manu: I updated these over the vacation

Manu Sporny: I updated these over the vacation

15:20:33 <manu1> http://dev.w3.org/html5/rdfa/

Manu Sporny: http://dev.w3.org/html5/rdfa/

15:21:06 <gkellogg> q+ I don't see anything about the value space of <time> in html+rdfa

Gregg Kellogg: q+ I don't see anything about the value space of <time> in html+rdfa

15:21:10 <Steven> Manu: Changes - conformance section cleaned up

Manu Sporny: Changes - conformance section cleaned up

15:21:51 <Steven> q+ gkellogg to discuss <time>

q+ gkellogg to discuss <time>

15:21:55 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

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15:22:10 <Steven> Manu: updated dependencies

Manu Sporny: updated dependencies

15:22:16 <Steven> ... on other docs

... on other docs

15:22:28 <Zakim> -Ivan

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15:22:29 <Steven> ... added link and meta to the body of a doc

... added link and meta to the body of a doc

15:22:35 <niklasl> q+ to ask about Lite timeline

Niklas Lindström: q+ to ask about Lite timeline

15:23:03 <Steven> Manu: Added datetime and value attributes

Manu Sporny: Added datetime and value attributes

15:23:34 <Steven> Gregg: We can't just add @datetime, we also have to process the <time> element

Gregg Kellogg: We can't just add @datetime, we also have to process the <time> element

15:23:36 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

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15:23:36 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

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15:23:37 <Zakim> +Ivan

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15:23:48 <manu1> q+ to talk about TIME element processing

Manu Sporny: q+ to talk about TIME element processing

15:24:00 <Steven> ... gyear, gyearmonth, and duration I think

... gyear, gyearmonth, and duration I think

15:24:05 <manu1> ack n

Manu Sporny: ack n

15:24:05 <Zakim> niklasl, you wanted to ask about Lite timeline

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15:24:09 <manu1> ack g

Manu Sporny: ack g

15:24:09 <Zakim> gkellogg, you wanted to discuss <time>

Zakim IRC Bot: gkellogg, you wanted to discuss <time>

15:24:35 <Steven> niklas: do Google or schema.org need this to be a rec by some particular time?

Niklas Lindström: do Google or schema.org need this to be a rec by some particular time?

15:24:45 <Steven> Manu: I don't think so

Manu Sporny: I don't think so

15:25:46 <Steven> [Ivan joins]

[Ivan joins]

15:26:44 <Steven> Ivan: We will have to decide the @resource vs @about at some time

Ivan Herman: We will have to decide the @resource vs @about at some time

15:27:29 <Steven> ... Jeni has a script to convert microdata on schema.org to RDFa Lite

... Jeni has a script to convert microdata on schema.org to RDFa Lite

15:27:48 <niklasl> q+

Niklas Lindström: q+

15:27:54 <Steven> ... she says it would be harder if there was only @resource

... she says it would be harder if there was only @resource

15:28:02 <manu1> ack manu1

Manu Sporny: ack manu1

15:28:02 <Zakim> manu1, you wanted to talk about TIME element processing

Zakim IRC Bot: manu1, you wanted to talk about TIME element processing

15:28:24 <niklasl> .. Jeni's text related to microdata and @resource: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/htmldata/raw-file/default/html-data-guide/index.html#microdata-and-rdfa-equivalencies

Niklas Lindström: .. Jeni's text related to microdata and @resource: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/htmldata/raw-file/default/html-data-guide/index.html#microdata-and-rdfa-equivalencies

15:28:32 <Steven> Manu: About <time>, people are asking for support, but it gets complicated quickly... time has a variety of different syntaxes... some of them new.

Manu Sporny: About <time>, people are asking for support, but it gets complicated quickly... time has a variety of different syntaxes... some of them new.

15:28:55 <niklasl> (.. section 2.2.2.3)

Niklas Lindström: (.. section 2.2.2.3)

15:29:00 <Steven> ... and RDFa is about attributes, not elements

... and RDFa is about attributes, not elements

15:29:11 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:29:42 <manu1> ack niklasl

Manu Sporny: ack niklasl

15:29:58 <Steven> niklas: See the link above from Jeni

Niklas Lindström: See the link above from Jeni

15:30:26 <niklasl> .. correct link: http://www.w3.org/TR/html-data-guide/#microdata-and-rdfa-equivalencies

Niklas Lindström: .. correct link: http://www.w3.org/TR/html-data-guide/#microdata-and-rdfa-equivalencies

15:30:29 <Steven> . Jeni's text related to microdata and @resource: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/htmldata/raw-file/default/html-data-guide/index.html#microdata-and-rdfa-equivalencies

. Jeni's text related to microdata and @resource: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/htmldata/raw-file/default/html-data-guide/index.html#microdata-and-rdfa-equivalencies

15:31:05 <Steven> Ivan: This is only about RDFa+HTML5, we should say we will come back to it when they are ready

Ivan Herman: This is only about RDFa+HTML5, we should say we will come back to it when they are ready

15:31:37 <Steven> ... <time> has a rocky history

... <time> has a rocky history

15:32:22 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:32:28 <gkellogg> http://www.w3.org/TR/microdata-rdf/#value-typing

Gregg Kellogg: http://www.w3.org/TR/microdata-rdf/#value-typing

15:32:47 <ivan> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

15:33:13 <manu1> Topic: Reviewers for RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1

4. Reviewers for RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1

15:33:35 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-rdfa-core-20111215/

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-rdfa-core-20111215/

15:33:38 <Steven> Manu: Niklas was yours a full review of RDFa Core 1.1?

Manu Sporny: Niklas was yours a full review of RDFa Core 1.1?

15:33:42 <Steven> Niklas: No, not full.

Niklas Lindström: No, not full.

15:33:45 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa/

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa/

15:33:59 <Steven> Manu: We need 2 full reviews by non-editors

Manu Sporny: We need 2 full reviews by non-editors

15:34:12 <Steven> Niklas: Given time constraints, I will do my best

Niklas Lindström: Given time constraints, I will do my best

15:34:20 <manu1> ACTION: Ivan to review RDFa Lite 1.1

ACTION: Ivan to review RDFa Lite 1.1

15:34:20 <Steven> Ivan: I will do Lite

Ivan Herman: I will do Lite

15:34:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-106 - Review RDFa Lite 1.1 [on Ivan Herman - due 2012-01-19].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-106 - Review RDFa Lite 1.1 [on Ivan Herman - due 2012-01-19].

15:35:06 <manu1> ACTION: Manu to review RDFa Core 1.1

ACTION: Manu to review RDFa Core 1.1

15:35:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-107 - Review RDFa Core 1.1 [on Manu Sporny - due 2012-01-19].

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15:35:23 <Steven> Shane: I will do Lite

Shane McCarron: I will do Lite

15:35:32 <manu1> ACTION: Shane to review RDFa Lite 1.1

ACTION: Shane to review RDFa Lite 1.1

15:35:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-108 - Review RDFa Lite 1.1 [on Shane McCarron - due 2012-01-19].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-108 - Review RDFa Lite 1.1 [on Shane McCarron - due 2012-01-19].

15:35:39 <Steven> Niklas: I will do COre

Niklas Lindström: I will do Core

15:35:42 <manu1> ACTION: Niklas to review RDFa Core 1.1

ACTION: Niklas to review RDFa Core 1.1

15:35:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-109 - Review RDFa Core 1.1 [on Niklas Lindström - due 2012-01-19].

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15:35:44 <Steven> s/CO/Co/
15:36:04 <manu1> ACTION: Stephane to review XHTML+RDFa 1.1

ACTION: Stephane to review XHTML+RDFa 1.1

15:36:04 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Stephane

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15:36:23 <scor> ACTION: scor to review XHTML+RDFa 1.1

ACTION: scor to review XHTML+RDFa 1.1

15:36:23 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - scor

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15:36:41 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to ensure that the right working group name is used in each document

ACTION: Shane to ensure that the right working group name is used in each document

15:36:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-110 - Ensure that the right working group name is used in each document [on Shane McCarron - due 2012-01-19].

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15:36:47 <manu1> ACTION: Ivan to review XHTML+RDFa 1.1

ACTION: Ivan to review XHTML+RDFa 1.1

15:36:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-111 - Review XHTML+RDFa 1.1 [on Ivan Herman - due 2012-01-19].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-111 - Review XHTML+RDFa 1.1 [on Ivan Herman - due 2012-01-19].

15:37:04 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to ensure that the list of working group participants is correct in each document.

ACTION: Shane to ensure that the list of working group participants is correct in each document.

15:37:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-112 - Ensure that the list of working group participants is correct in each document. [on Shane McCarron - due 2012-01-19].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-112 - Ensure that the list of working group participants is correct in each document. [on Shane McCarron - due 2012-01-19].

15:37:20 <Steven> Manu: We need reviews of the primer, over the next months, no hurry on that one

Manu Sporny: We need reviews of the primer, over the next months, no hurry on that one

15:37:33 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

15:37:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/12-rdfa-minutes.html Steven

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/12-rdfa-minutes.html Steven

15:37:33 <manu1> Topic: Publication Timeline

5. Publication Timeline

15:37:52 <manu1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Jan/0003.html

Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Jan/0003.html

15:38:16 <Steven> Manu: That is the timeline

Manu Sporny: That is the timeline

15:39:07 <manu1> Jan 26th - WG resolves to take documents to Last Call

Manu Sporny: Jan 26th - WG resolves to take documents to Last Call

15:39:09 <manu1> Jan 31st - LC publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1

Manu Sporny: Jan 31st - LC publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1

15:39:10 <manu1> Feb 21st - End of LC period for RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1

Manu Sporny: Feb 21st - End of LC period for RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1

15:39:33 <manu1> Feb 23th - Schedule Transition Call to Candidate Recommendation

Manu Sporny: Feb 23th - Schedule Transition Call to Candidate Recommendation

15:39:35 <manu1> Feb 27th - WG resolves to take documents to Candidate Rec

Manu Sporny: Feb 27th - WG resolves to take documents to Candidate Rec

15:39:37 <manu1> Mar 6th  - CR Publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1

Manu Sporny: Mar 6th - CR Publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1

15:39:38 <manu1> Apr 1st  - CR Implementation Reports in by April 1st

Manu Sporny: Apr 1st - CR Implementation Reports in by April 1st

15:39:40 <manu1> Apr 10th - Schedule Transition Call to Proposed Recommendation

Manu Sporny: Apr 10th - Schedule Transition Call to Proposed Recommendation

15:39:41 <manu1> Apr 17th - PR Publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1

Manu Sporny: Apr 17th - PR Publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1

15:39:43 <manu1> May 21st - Schedule Transition Call to Recommendation

Manu Sporny: May 21st - Schedule Transition Call to Recommendation

15:39:44 <manu1> May 29th - REC Publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1

Manu Sporny: May 29th - REC Publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1

15:41:16 <ShaneM> q+ to talk about scheduling

Shane McCarron: q+ to talk about scheduling

15:41:29 <Steven> Steven: No time needed for dealing with LC comments?

Steven Pemberton: No time needed for dealing with LC comments?

15:41:35 <manu1> ack shanem

Manu Sporny: ack shanem

15:41:35 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to talk about scheduling

Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to talk about scheduling

15:41:37 <Steven> Ivan: I don't expect any major ones

Ivan Herman: I don't expect any major ones

15:41:45 <Steven> Shane: Short LC period here

Shane McCarron: Short LC period here

15:42:01 <Steven> ... I expect some WGs will say that they can't meet the schedule

... I expect some WGs will say that they can't meet the schedule

15:42:08 <Steven> Manu: We've warned them already... at the end of last year and we asked them for reviews.

Manu Sporny: We've warned them already... at the end of last year and we asked them for reviews.

15:43:02 <Steven> ... by email, warning of short last call;  HTML and RDF took us up on it

... by email, warning of short last call; HTML and RDF took us up on it

15:44:11 <Steven> Ivan: the timing is aggressive

Ivan Herman: the timing is aggressive

15:44:19 <Steven> ... the Rec is scheduled for May

... the Rec is scheduled for May

15:44:29 <Steven> ... charter is to end of July

... charter is to end of July

15:46:29 <manu1> PROPOSAL: Adopt the publication timeline as discussed on this conference call, taking RDFa 1.1 to REC by the end of May 2012.

PROPOSED: Adopt the publication timeline as discussed on this conference call, taking RDFa 1.1 to REC by the end of May 2012.

15:46:33 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:46:34 <gkellogg> +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

15:46:35 <manu1>  +1

Manu Sporny: +1

15:46:37 <niklasl> +1

Niklas Lindström: +1

15:46:37 <Steven> Steven: +1

Steven Pemberton: +1

15:46:43 <scor> +1

Stéphane Corlosquet: +1

15:46:58 <ShaneM> +1 I guess

Shane McCarron: +1 I guess

15:47:02 <ivan> RESOLVED: Adopt the publication timeline as discussed on this conference call, taking RDFa 1.1 to REC by the end of May 2012.

RESOLVED: Adopt the publication timeline as discussed on this conference call, taking RDFa 1.1 to REC by the end of May 2012.

15:47:21 <manu1> Topic: RDF Interfaces, RDF API and RDFa API

6. RDF Interfaces, RDF API and RDFa API

15:47:55 <Steven> Manu: Short of time to get these to Rec, also little interest in the group

Manu Sporny: Short of time to get these to Rec, also little interest in the group

15:48:08 <Steven> ... we lack people and time to do it

... we lack people and time to do it

15:48:29 <Steven> ... so we propose to send them to a community group

... so we propose to send them to a community group

15:48:36 <Steven> q+

q+

15:49:02 <manu1> Steven: Normal practice is to turn these documents into notes, so they have a final state, then let another group take them over if they wanted them.

Steven Pemberton: Normal practice is to turn these documents into notes, so they have a final state, then let another group take them over if they wanted them. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:49:15 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:49:17 <Steven> Steven: Normal practice is to publish as a note, and then let someone take them over

Steven Pemberton: Normal practice is to publish as a note, and then let someone take them over

15:49:20 <ivan> ack Steven

Ivan Herman: ack Steven

15:49:30 <Steven> Manu: Problem is that API is incomplete

Manu Sporny: Problem is that API is incomplete

15:49:43 <manu1> ack ivan

Manu Sporny: ack ivan

15:50:26 <Steven> Ivan: In the note we can put in the status that it is not final

Ivan Herman: In the note we can put in the status that it is not final

15:50:41 <Steven> ... but a note is a proper ending state

... but a note is a proper ending state

15:50:54 <niklasl> q+

Niklas Lindström: q+

15:51:01 <ShaneM> I agree it should be a note

Shane McCarron: I agree it should be a note

15:51:25 <Steven> Niklas: I've previously expected Notes to be finished, so I share Manu's concern

Niklas Lindström: I've previously expected Notes to be finished, so I share Manu's concern

15:52:04 <MacTed> +1 note (maybe "draft note"?) with clear caveats, possibly beyond just the status section (which many people do skip over, ill advised as that may be)

Ted Thibodeau: +1 note (maybe "draft note"?) with clear caveats, possibly beyond just the status section (which many people do skip over, ill advised as that may be)

15:52:05 <Steven> Ivan: There are precedents for incomplete work being published as a note

Ivan Herman: There are precedents for incomplete work being published as a note

15:52:30 <Steven> Manu: As long as there are big red warnings, OK

Manu Sporny: As long as there are big red warnings, OK

15:54:32 <Steven> Ivan: A note is a final state, so that you know no one is working on it

Ivan Herman: A note is a final state, so that you know no one is working on it

15:55:07 <Steven> Ivan: In the charter we had a Cookbook planned.

Ivan Herman: In the charter we had a Cookbook planned.

15:55:13 <ShaneM> q+ to ask if the IRI text is okay?

Shane McCarron: q+ to ask if the IRI text is okay?

15:55:16 <Steven> ... so we need to remove that

... so we need to remove that

15:55:20 <manu1> ack

Manu Sporny: ack

15:55:21 <manu1> ack

Manu Sporny: ack

15:55:41 <ShaneM> Even though this specification exclusively

Shane McCarron: Even though this specification exclusively

15:55:41 <ShaneM> references IRIs, it is possible that a Host Language will

Shane McCarron: references IRIs, it is possible that a Host Language will

15:55:41 <ShaneM> restrict the syntax for its attributes to a subset of IRIs

Shane McCarron: restrict the syntax for its attributes to a subset of IRIs

15:55:41 <ShaneM> (e.g., <aref>href</aref> in HTML5).  Regardless of

Shane McCarron: (e.g., <aref>href</aref> in HTML5). Regardless of

15:55:41 <ShaneM> validation constraints in Host Languages, an RDFa Processor

Shane McCarron: validation constraints in Host Languages, an RDFa Processor

15:55:42 <ShaneM> is capable of processing IRIs.

Shane McCarron: is capable of processing IRIs.

15:56:01 <Steven> Shane: Suggested text, is that ok?

Shane McCarron: Suggested text, is that ok?

15:56:05 <Steven> Manu: Looks OK

Manu Sporny: Looks OK

15:56:22 <Steven> Ivan: Answer to RDF WG comments right?

Ivan Herman: Answer to RDF WG comments right?

15:56:31 <Steven> Manu: We discussed it before you joined Ivan

Manu Sporny: We discussed it before you joined Ivan

15:56:59 <Steven> ... next week we will discuss CURIE vs PNAME and any other issues that could be substantative.

... next week we will discuss CURIE vs PNAME and any other issues that could be substantative.

15:58:15 <Steven> ... Jan 26 we resolve to go to LC

... Jan 26 we resolve to go to LC

15:59:00 <Steven> [ENDS]

[ENDS]

15:59:00 <Zakim> -manu1

Zakim IRC Bot: -manu1

15:59:03 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed

15:59:06 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

15:59:06 <Zakim> -gkellogg

Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg

15:59:06 <Zakim> -scor

Zakim IRC Bot: -scor

15:59:07 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven

15:59:09 <Zakim> -niklasl

Zakim IRC Bot: -niklasl

15:59:11 <Zakim> -??P42

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P42

15:59:13 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended

15:59:15 <Zakim> Attendees were manu1, niklasl, gkellogg, scor, MacTed, Steven, Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were manu1, niklasl, gkellogg, scor, MacTed, Steven, Ivan

15:59:17 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

15:59:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/12-rdfa-minutes.html Steven

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/12-rdfa-minutes.html Steven



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