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RDFa Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 24 March 2011

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Mar/0089.html
Present
Ivan Herman, Nathan Rixham, Benjamin Adrian, Manu Sporny, Mark Birbeck
Regrets
Steven Pemberton, Shane McCarron, Knud Möller
Chair
Manu Sporny
Scribe
Benjamin Adrian
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Close the following issues, official response was sent, multiple reminders to respond were sent to each comment submitter: ISSUE-46, ISSUE-66, ISSUE-67, ISSUE-69, ISSUE-70, ISSUE-72, ISSUE-73, ISSUE-74, ISSUE-76, ISSUE-78, ISSUE-79, ISSUE-80, ISSUE-81, ISSUE-82, ISSUE-84. link
  2. XML+RDFa does not assume an about="" on the root element. If authors want to generate a triple, they must explicitly set the subject. link
  3. RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 should proceed into the 2nd Last Call with a publication date targeted at March 29th with a Last Call period of 3 weeks from the publication date. link
Topics
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13:50:14 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
13:50:14 <trackbot> Date: 24 March 2011
13:50:57 <manu1> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Mar/0089.html
13:51:12 <manu1> Chair: Manu
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14:05:26 <Benjamin> scribenick: benjamin

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14:05:37 <manu1> Present: Ivan, Nathan, Benjamin, Manu, MarkB
14:05:39 <manu1> Regrets: Steven, ShaneM, Knud
14:06:04 <manu1> zakim, who is on the call?

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14:07:08 <Benjamin> Topic: Remaining 1st Last Call Issues

1. Remaining 1st Last Call Issues

14:07:55 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/products/8

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/products/8

14:07:58 <Benjamin> Manu: We have a number of official responses that we're waiting on for the comment submitter to respond. We have asked them to respond at least once, in some cases we've asked them to respond several times, we have publicly announced several times when we were going into 2nd Last Call. I think it's safe to close these issues as we've taken them into account, agreed to make changes based on most of the comments, and implemented those changes in the RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 documents.

Manu Sporny: We have a number of official responses that we're waiting on for the comment submitter to respond. We have asked them to respond at least once, in some cases we've asked them to respond several times, we have publicly announced several times when we were going into 2nd Last Call. I think it's safe to close these issues as we've taken them into account, agreed to make changes based on most of the comments, and implemented those changes in the RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 documents.

14:12:34 <manu1> PROPOSAL: Close the following issues, official response was sent, multiple reminders to respond were sent to each comment submitter: ISSUE-46, ISSUE-66, ISSUE-67, ISSUE-69, ISSUE-70, ISSUE-72, ISSUE-73, ISSUE-74, ISSUE-76, ISSUE-78, ISSUE-79, ISSUE-80, ISSUE-81, ISSUE-82, ISSUE-84.

PROPOSED: Close the following issues, official response was sent, multiple reminders to respond were sent to each comment submitter: ISSUE-46, ISSUE-66, ISSUE-67, ISSUE-69, ISSUE-70, ISSUE-72, ISSUE-73, ISSUE-74, ISSUE-76, ISSUE-78, ISSUE-79, ISSUE-80, ISSUE-81, ISSUE-82, ISSUE-84.

14:12:48 <manu1> +1

Manu Sporny: +1

14:12:50 <Benjamin> Benjamin: +1

Benjamin Adrian: +1

14:12:52 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:12:53 <webr3> +1

Nathan Rixham: +1

14:12:55 <manu1> RESOLVED: Close the following issues, official response was sent, multiple reminders to respond were sent to each comment submitter: ISSUE-46, ISSUE-66, ISSUE-67, ISSUE-69, ISSUE-70, ISSUE-72, ISSUE-73, ISSUE-74, ISSUE-76, ISSUE-78, ISSUE-79, ISSUE-80, ISSUE-81, ISSUE-82, ISSUE-84.

RESOLVED: Close the following issues, official response was sent, multiple reminders to respond were sent to each comment submitter: ISSUE-46, ISSUE-66, ISSUE-67, ISSUE-69, ISSUE-70, ISSUE-72, ISSUE-73, ISSUE-74, ISSUE-76, ISSUE-78, ISSUE-79, ISSUE-80, ISSUE-81, ISSUE-82, ISSUE-84.

14:13:31 <Benjamin> manu: next issue is described on mailing list

Manu Sporny: next issue is described on mailing list

14:13:38 <manu1> Subtopic: XML+RDFa spec bug

1.1. XML+RDFa spec bug

14:13:40 <manu1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Mar/0100.html

Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Mar/0100.html

14:17:21 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-core/#evaluation-context

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-core/#evaluation-context

14:18:31 <manu1> Step 13: the parent subject is set to the value of new subject, if non-null, or the value of the parent subject of the current evaluation context;

Manu Sporny: Step 13: the parent subject is set to the value of new subject, if non-null, or the value of the parent subject of the current evaluation context;

14:19:32 <webr3> step 6: "otherwise, if parent object is present, new subject is set to the value of parent object. Additionally, if @property is not present then the skip element flag is set to 'true';"

Nathan Rixham: step 6: "otherwise, if parent object is present, new subject is set to the value of parent object. Additionally, if @property is not present then the skip element flag is set to 'true';"

14:21:39 <manu1> Manu: Woops, I misread the specification - there is no issue with 2-level nesting and subjects being set.

Manu Sporny: Woops, I misread the specification - there is no issue with 2-level nesting and subjects being set. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:21:39 <manu1> Ivan: The tests are correct and the spec is consistent.

Ivan Herman: The tests are correct and the spec is consistent. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

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14:23:29 <manu1> Ivan: Separate concern - do we want to set the new subject to the document for XML+RDFa?

Ivan Herman: Separate concern - do we want to set the new subject to the document for XML+RDFa? [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:23:40 <manu1> Ivan: Concerned about adding this at such a late stage.

Ivan Herman: Concerned about adding this at such a late stage. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:25:38 <manu1> PROPOSAL: XML+RDFa does not assume an about="" on the root element. If authors want to generate a triple, they must explicitly set the subject.

PROPOSED: XML+RDFa does not assume an about="" on the root element. If authors want to generate a triple, they must explicitly set the subject.

14:25:47 <webr3> +1

Nathan Rixham: +1

14:25:48 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:25:49 <manu1> +1

Manu Sporny: +1

14:25:52 <Benjamin> Benjamin: +1

Benjamin Adrian: +1

14:25:57 <manu1> RESOLVED: XML+RDFa does not assume an about="" on the root element. If authors want to generate a triple, they must explicitly set the subject.

RESOLVED: XML+RDFa does not assume an about="" on the root element. If authors want to generate a triple, they must explicitly set the subject.

14:26:27 <manu1> Topic: IRI vs URI Reference

2. IRI vs URI Reference

14:26:27 <manu1> Ivan: Do we want to resolve the issues that Mischa raised?

Ivan Herman: Do we want to resolve the issues that Mischa raised? [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:29:02 <Benjamin> manu: I think they're editorial. The reason we use URI references instead of IRIs is because we are more concerned about the value space (which URI References discuss) than we are about the lexical space (which IRIs discuss). We wanted to talk about URIs as a sequences of characters that RDFa Processors generate.

Manu Sporny: I think they're editorial. The reason we use URI references instead of IRIs is because we are more concerned about the value space (which URI References discuss) than we are about the lexical space (which IRIs discuss). We wanted to talk about URIs as a sequences of characters that RDFa Processors generate.

14:29:43 <webr3> Nathan: What about relative URI-refs = ../

Nathan Rixham: What about relative URI-refs = ../ [ Scribe Assist by Nathan Rixham ]

14:29:59 <Benjamin> the issue of mischa is: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/87

the issue of mischa is: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/87

14:31:00 <webr3> "URI"

Nathan Rixham: "URI"

14:31:10 <webr3> IRI or URI (no reference)

Nathan Rixham: IRI or URI (no reference)

14:33:15 <Benjamin> Ivan: We state clearly in the specification that we don't allow relative references to be generated by the processor.

Ivan Herman: We state clearly in the specification that we don't allow relative references to be generated by the processor.

14:33:17 <Benjamin> manu: We should wait for Shane to be on the call for resolving this.

Manu Sporny: We should wait for Shane to be on the call for resolving this.

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14:37:48 <manu1> Ivan: This is editorial in my view

Ivan Herman: This is editorial in my view [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:37:51 <manu1> Manu: I agree

Manu Sporny: I agree [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:37:51 <Benjamin> ivan: The change is editorial, we should leave it to Shane in my view

Ivan Herman: The change is editorial, we should leave it to Shane in my view

14:38:40 <webr3> I agree too, editorial

Nathan Rixham: I agree too, editorial

14:39:12 <Benjamin> benjamin: as far as i understood it, it seems to be editorial

Benjamin Adrian: as far as i understood it, it seems to be editorial

14:40:10 <Benjamin> Topic: RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 2nd Last Call

3. RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 2nd Last Call

14:40:11 <Benjamin> manu: Any other open issues before the second last call?

Manu Sporny: Any other open issues before the second last call?

14:41:08 <Benjamin> the group is not aware of any open issues

the group is not aware of any open issues

14:41:34 <manu1> These are the documents we're asserting should go to 2nd Last Call:

Manu Sporny: These are the documents we're asserting should go to 2nd Last Call:

14:41:43 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-core/

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-core/

14:41:49 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/xhtml-rdfa/

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/xhtml-rdfa/

14:43:47 <Benjamin> manu: Publication date will be march, 29

Manu Sporny: Publication date will be march, 29

14:44:24 <manu1> PROPOSAL: RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 should proceed into the 2nd Last Call with a publication date targeted at March 29th with a Last Call period of 3 weeks from the publication date.

PROPOSED: RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 should proceed into the 2nd Last Call with a publication date targeted at March 29th with a Last Call period of 3 weeks from the publication date.

14:44:45 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:44:46 <webr3> +1

Nathan Rixham: +1

14:44:46 <Benjamin> Benjamin: +1

Benjamin Adrian: +1

14:44:48 <manu1> +1

Manu Sporny: +1

14:45:08 <markbirbeck> +1

Mark Birbeck: +1

14:45:29 <manu1> Knud is a +1 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Mar/0099.html)

Manu Sporny: Knud is a +1 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Mar/0099.html)

14:45:49 <manu1> RESOLVED: RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 should proceed into the 2nd Last Call with a publication date targeted at March 29th with a Last Call period of 3 weeks from the publication date.

RESOLVED: RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 should proceed into the 2nd Last Call with a publication date targeted at March 29th with a Last Call period of 3 weeks from the publication date.

14:47:19 <Benjamin> manu: We need to send out a 2nd LC notification as a W3C news item, right?

Manu Sporny: We need to send out a 2nd LC notification as a W3C news item, right?

14:47:22 <Benjamin> ivan: yes

Ivan Herman: yes

14:47:31 <manu1> Topic: RDFa API

4. RDFa API

14:48:24 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-api/

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-api/

14:48:25 <manu1> Manu: The updates were discussed on the mailing list: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Mar/0084.html

Manu Sporny: The updates were discussed on the mailing list: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Mar/0084.html [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:48:25 <manu1> Ivan: I like the changes, good direction - how do you get a list of all subjects or all types?

Ivan Herman: I like the changes, good direction - how do you get a list of all subjects or all types? [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

14:49:31 <webr3> document.getItemsByType(type)

Nathan Rixham: document.getItemsByType(type)

14:50:01 <Benjamin> ivan: how do i know what types are availlable in the document

Ivan Herman: how do i know what types are availlable in the document

14:50:48 <ivan> Ivan: I think we need - document.getSubjects()

Ivan Herman: I think we need - document.getSubjects() [ Scribe Assist by Ivan Herman ]

14:51:03 <Benjamin> ivan: you need a method like that to get all subjects available, otherwise you don't know what to query for...

Ivan Herman: you need a method like that to get all subjects available, otherwise you don't know what to query for...

14:51:18 <webr3> why does HTML not have that? document.getElementByID(id) how do I know the id's?

Nathan Rixham: why does HTML not have that? document.getElementByID(id) how do I know the id's?

14:51:33 <webr3> how do you know which rel's, classes etc?

Nathan Rixham: how do you know which rel's, classes etc?

14:52:25 <Benjamin> ivan: For example I want to highlight the RDF triples in the document. But were do I start?

Ivan Herman: For example I want to highlight the RDF triples in the document. But were do I start?

14:52:57 <webr3> use the RDF API??

Nathan Rixham: use the RDF API??

14:50:48 <ivan> Ivan: No, using the RDF API is an advanced feature - we have simplified the RDFa API down to something that doesn't even need to mention triples - that is a good thing, let's not over-complicate it.

Ivan Herman: No, using the RDF API is an advanced feature - we have simplified the RDFa API down to something that doesn't even need to mention triples - that is a good thing, let's not over-complicate it. [ Scribe Assist by Ivan Herman ]

14:54:31 <webr3> document.data.getItemsByWhatever( s , p , o )

Nathan Rixham: document.data.getItemsByWhatever( s , p , o )

14:54:50 <webr3> (leave all null to get all objects) :)

Nathan Rixham: (leave all null to get all objects) :)

14:55:44 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

14:56:33 <manu1> ack ivan

Manu Sporny: ack ivan

14:56:54 <Benjamin> q+

q+

14:57:09 <webr3> it's just merging the functions .getItemBySubject(type) and .getItemsByProperty(property, optional value) together though? still cuts in two

Nathan Rixham: it's just merging the functions .getItemBySubject(type) and .getItemsByProperty(property, optional value) together though? still cuts in two

14:59:41 <webr3> not the getElements... RDF API doesn't handle them, only RDFa API does

Nathan Rixham: not the getElements... RDF API doesn't handle them, only RDFa API does

15:00:29 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-api/#document-data

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-api/#document-data

15:01:58 <Benjamin> Manu: We may also rip .parse() out of there since we don't need it, we currently do this:

Manu Sporny: We may also rip .parse() out of there since we don't need it, we currently do this:

15:01:59 <manu1> var obj = document.data.parse("http://example.com");

Manu Sporny: var obj = document.data.parse("http://example.com");

15:02:08 <manu1> document.data.rdfa.parse("http://example.com");

Manu Sporny: document.data.rdfa.parse("http://example.com");

15:02:25 <Benjamin> Manu: but we could do something like this to simplify things:

Manu Sporny: but we could do something like this to simplify things:

15:02:26 <manu1> var doc = CreateDocument(XMLHttpRequest("http://example.com"));

Manu Sporny: var doc = CreateDocument(XMLHttpRequest("http://example.com"));

15:02:33 <manu1> doc.data.query(...);

Manu Sporny: doc.data.query(...);

15:02:57 <webr3> it's the "the keep can of worms closed" approach :)

Nathan Rixham: it's the "the keep can of worms closed" approach :)

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15:11:17 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/blog/admin.php?blog=13

Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/blog/admin.php?blog=13

15:12:16 <ivan> zakim, mute me

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15:12:16 <Zakim> ivan should now be muted

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15:12:18 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

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15:12:18 <Zakim> -ivan

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