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14:43:24 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
14:43:24 <trackbot> Date: 03 March 2011
14:44:30 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Feb/0183.html
14:44:44 <manu> Chair: Manu
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15:00:22 <manu> Present: Ivan, Manu, Nathan, Shane, Steven, Toby
15:00:22 <manu> Regrets: MarkB
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15:06:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, manu, ShaneM
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15:10:56 <manu> scribenick: ShaneM
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15:11:09 <ShaneM> TOPIC: Using xmlns in HTML+RDFa
15:09:55 <manu> Ivan: I have some updates to the agenda - xmlns: - We should discuss whether it is used in HTML5...
Ivan Herman: I have some updates to the agenda - xmlns: - We should discuss whether it is used in HTML5... [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:10:12 <manu> Ivan: In HTML5+RDFa 1.1, is it necessary at all to keep the references to xmlns: ?
Ivan Herman: In HTML5+RDFa 1.1, is it necessary at all to keep the references to xmlns: ? [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:11:12 <webr3> from here: http://dev.w3.org/html5/rdfa/
Nathan Rixham: from here: http://dev.w3.org/html5/rdfa/ ←
15:11:31 <ShaneM> Ivan: can we remove references to xmlns in HTML5?
Ivan Herman: can we remove references to xmlns in HTML5? ←
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15:12:26 <ShaneM> Manu: We can remove references, but... there is still a requirement that we process xmlns attributes in XHTML mode.
Manu Sporny: We can remove references, but... there is still a requirement that we process xmlns attributes in XHTML mode. ←
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15:12:59 <ShaneM> ShaneM: Why is there a requirement?
Shane McCarron: Why is there a requirement? ←
15:13:35 <ShaneM> manu: There are documents that are delivered as text/html and are RDFa 1.0 documents... and those use @xmlns, and they need to be processed correctly.
Manu Sporny: There are documents that are delivered as text/html and are RDFa 1.0 documents... and those use @xmlns, and they need to be processed correctly. ←
15:14:02 <manu> http://dev.w3.org/html5/rdfa/#extensions-to-the-html5-syntax
Manu Sporny: http://dev.w3.org/html5/rdfa/#extensions-to-the-html5-syntax ←
15:14:07 <ShaneM> ... RDFa Core says that already, so we are okay. But HTML+RDFa needs to talk about how to extract xmlns from the infoset or DOM-based processors - it was part of the feedback on HTML5.
... RDFa Core says that already, so we are okay. But HTML+RDFa needs to talk about how to extract xmlns from the infoset or DOM-based processors - it was part of the feedback on HTML5. ←
15:14:47 <ShaneM> ... I do intend to go back and edit so it mentions it less. But we got feedback from the HTML5 community that we need to cover the case so processor authors know how to get the content.
... I do intend to go back and edit so it mentions it less. But we got feedback from the HTML5 community that we need to cover the case so processor authors know how to get the content. ←
15:15:38 <ShaneM> ivan: We need to say that @xmlns is deprecated in HTML+RDFa - but for backward compatibility we need to process it.
Ivan Herman: We need to say that @xmlns is deprecated in HTML+RDFa - but for backward compatibility we need to process it. ←
15:15:54 <ShaneM> Manu: So this is a direction to authors, not to processor developers.
Manu Sporny: So this is a direction to authors, not to processor developers. ←
15:17:56 <manu> PROPOSAL: HTML5+RDFa 1.1 should mention that xmlns: is processed only for backwards-compatibility reasons and that authors SHOULD NOT use xmlns: and should use @prefix instead.
PROPOSED: HTML5+RDFa 1.1 should mention that xmlns: is processed only for backwards-compatibility reasons and that authors SHOULD NOT use xmlns: and should use @prefix instead. ←
15:18:15 <tinkster> +1
Toby Inkster: +1 ←
15:18:18 <ShaneM> +1
+1 ←
15:18:22 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:18:28 <Steven_> +0
Steven Pemberton: +0 ←
15:19:10 <manu> +1
Manu Sporny: +1 ←
15:19:26 <webr3> +1
Nathan Rixham: +1 ←
15:20:14 <manu> RESOLVED: HTML5+RDFa 1.1 should mention that xmlns: is processed only for backwards-compatibility reasons and that authors SHOULD NOT use xmlns: and should use @prefix instead.
RESOLVED: HTML5+RDFa 1.1 should mention that xmlns: is processed only for backwards-compatibility reasons and that authors SHOULD NOT use xmlns: and should use @prefix instead. ←
15:21:53 <manu> Ivan: Why do we have the "Why CURIEs insteaed of QNames?" section?
Ivan Herman: Why do we have the "Why CURIEs insteaed of QNames?" section? [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:21:58 <ShaneM> Ivan: Why is there a section about Qnames instead of CURIEs?
Ivan Herman: Why is there a section about Qnames instead of CURIEs? ←
15:22:35 <manu> I think that we do need that section in there
Manu Sporny: I think that we do need that section in there ←
15:22:43 <ShaneM> ShaneM: Because a commentor wanted us to explain why we are using CURIEs rather than Qnames.
Shane McCarron: Because a commentor wanted us to explain why we are using CURIEs rather than Qnames. ←
15:22:51 <ShaneM> ivan: okay - but I think it is unnecessary.
Ivan Herman: okay - but I think it is unnecessary. ←
15:23:11 <manu> Topic: ISSUE-73: Default RDFa Profile Processing
15:23:27 <manu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Feb/0180.html
Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Feb/0180.html ←
15:25:05 <ShaneM> Manu: explains the context of the discussion... that RDFa Core has a profile defined, and that other host languages may include multiple profiles at start up if they choose.
Manu Sporny: explains the context of the discussion... that RDFa Core has a profile defined, and that other host languages may include multiple profiles at start up if they choose. ←
15:25:55 <ShaneM> Ivan: Editorial question... does this mean that host languages need to indicate which default profiles they use (if any) ?
Ivan Herman: Editorial question... does this mean that host languages need to indicate which default profiles they use (if any) ? ←
15:25:57 <ShaneM> ShaneM: yes.
Shane McCarron: yes. ←
15:26:39 <ShaneM> Ivan: Will anyone else produce a formal host language?
Ivan Herman: Will anyone else produce a formal host language? ←
15:26:46 <ShaneM> ShaneM: ODF? DAISY?
Shane McCarron: ODF? DAISY? ←
15:27:07 <ShaneM> Ivan: Well, no. Those are not really formal. They will default to XML+RDFa
Ivan Herman: Well, no. Those are not really formal. They will default to XML+RDFa ←
15:27:40 <ShaneM> ... Toby has an ATOM+RDFa profile... that might be something formal.
... Toby has an ATOM+RDFa profile... that might be something formal. ←
15:27:59 <ShaneM> Manu: But what you were discussing is what happens in the absence of a formal language, and I would expect that many processors will default to XML+RDFa.
Manu Sporny: But what you were discussing is what happens in the absence of a formal language, and I would expect that many processors will default to XML+RDFa. ←
15:30:24 <manu> Topic: RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 Updates
15:30:38 <webr3> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-core/
Nathan Rixham: -> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-core/ ←
15:31:02 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-core/Overview-src.html
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-core/Overview-src.html ←
15:31:44 <ShaneM> Just waiting for feedback. Already got feedback from Ivan and Nathan
Just waiting for feedback. Already got feedback from Ivan and Nathan ←
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15:35:05 <ShaneM> Reviews to Shane no later than noon US central time on Sunday, 6 March.
Reviews to Shane no later than noon US central time on Sunday, 6 March. ←
15:35:16 <ShaneM> Shane to produce a dated version with diff marks on 6 March.
Shane to produce a dated version with diff marks on 6 March. ←
15:35:28 <ShaneM> Manu to notify commentors so that they can review.
Manu to notify commentors so that they can review. ←
15:42:53 <ShaneM> TOPIC: RDFa Primer
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15:42:23 <Steven_> I volunteer to re-work the RDFa Primer
Steven Pemberton: I volunteer to re-work the RDFa Primer ←
15:42:46 <ShaneM> Yay!
Yay! ←
15:43:08 <ShaneM> Primer at http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-primer/Overview-src.html
Primer at http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-primer/Overview-src.html ←
15:43:32 <ShaneM> Steven has volunteered to edit the RDFa Primer.
Steven has volunteered to edit the RDFa Primer. ←
15:45:27 <ShaneM> TOPIC: RDFa and RDF API discussion
15:36:58 <ShaneM> Manu: There might not be the right people here.
Manu Sporny: There might not be the right people here. ←
15:37:46 <ShaneM> ... there are some other players who need to be involved. BBC, DFKI, Revelytix, Google, Mark?
... there are some other players who need to be involved. BBC, DFKI, Revelytix, Google, Mark? ←
15:45:53 <ShaneM> Manu: I think three people are enough to discuss, but we might end up going back and revisiting because we have new blood showing up with the new charter
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Manu Sporny: I think three people are enough to discuss, but we might end up going back and revisiting because we have new blood showing up with the new charter ←
15:46:06 <ShaneM> ... I am reluctant to delay for 5 weeks.
... I am reluctant to delay for 5 weeks. ←
15:46:22 <ShaneM> Ivan: Are the documents publishable today if we marked them up with lots of 'issues' ?
Ivan Herman: Are the documents publishable today if we marked them up with lots of 'issues' ? ←
15:46:49 <ShaneM> ... the problem I have is that the only public draft we have is old and makes it hard to beat the bushes for new players.
... the problem I have is that the only public draft we have is old and makes it hard to beat the bushes for new players. ←
15:47:03 <ShaneM> Manu: I believe both documents are in a state that we could publish.
Manu Sporny: I believe both documents are in a state that we could publish. ←
15:47:10 <webr3> q+ to disagree
Nathan Rixham: q+ to disagree ←
15:47:33 <ShaneM> ... the old documents aren't in that that bad a shape. Not as bad as Ivan thinks they are. There are already some examples. The WebIDL is pretty solid. We need prose.
... the old documents aren't in that that bad a shape. Not as bad as Ivan thinks they are. There are already some examples. The WebIDL is pretty solid. We need prose. ←
15:47:36 <manu> ack webr3
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15:48:16 <ShaneM> Nathan: The documents still need some work... the RDFa API needs to be 'minified' because it duplicates content in the RDF API. A couple of hours.
Nathan Rixham: The documents still need some work... the RDFa API needs to be 'minified' because it duplicates content in the RDF API. A couple of hours. ←
15:48:35 <ShaneM> ... The RDF API needs a bit of work to flesh them out before it could go public.
... The RDF API needs a bit of work to flesh them out before it could go public. ←
15:49:01 <ShaneM> Ivan: Then I propose that we don't wait for 4 or 5 weeks. Let's publish them as soon as possible.
Ivan Herman: Then I propose that we don't wait for 4 or 5 weeks. Let's publish them as soon as possible. ←
15:49:06 <ShaneM> q+ to ask a process issue
q+ to ask a process issue ←
15:49:15 <ShaneM> ... this will draw attention to our work.
... this will draw attention to our work. ←
15:49:16 <manu> ack ShaneM
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15:49:16 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask a process issue
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15:49:58 <ShaneM> ShaneM: Can we publish RDF API Working Draft document under our current charter?
Shane McCarron: Can we publish RDF API Working Draft document under our current charter? ←
15:50:02 <ShaneM> Ivan: Yes.
Ivan Herman: Yes. ←
15:50:18 <ShaneM> Nathan: Would it be at its permanent home?
Nathan Rixham: Would it be at its permanent home? ←
15:50:38 <ShaneM> Ivan: I think so. The short name shouldn't change after the charter changes.
Ivan Herman: I think so. The short name shouldn't change after the charter changes. ←
15:51:38 <ShaneM> We need to discuss Prefixes and Terms. and we also need to discuss projections and property groups.
We need to discuss Prefixes and Terms. and we also need to discuss projections and property groups. ←
15:54:55 <ShaneM> concern about critical mass of expertise for API discussions.
concern about critical mass of expertise for API discussions. ←
15:54:59 <manu> ACTION: Ivan to invite new participants to RDF Web Apps Working Group as soon as possible.
ACTION: Ivan to invite new participants to RDF Web Apps Working Group as soon as possible. ←
15:54:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - Invite new participants to RDF Web Apps Working Group as soon as possible. [on Ivan Herman - due 2011-03-10].
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16:00:11 <ShaneM> Ivan: Let's spend the time in the next weeks talking about RDFa Core and RDFa Core test suites so CR can be as short as possible.
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Ivan Herman: Let's spend the time in the next weeks talking about RDFa Core and RDFa Core test suites so CR can be as short as possible. ←
16:00:45 <manu> ACTION: Manu to ping people that have not responded to previous LC comments.
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16:00:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Ping people that have not responded to previous LC comments. [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-03-10].
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16:02:05 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, manu, ShaneM, Steven, webr3
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