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RDFa Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 14 October 2010

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Oct/0148.html
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Manu Sporny, Mark Birbeck, Nathan Rixham, Shane McCarron
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13:57:34 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-rdfa-irc

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13:57:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

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13:57:39 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
13:57:39 <trackbot> Date: 14 October 2010
14:00:06 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started

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14:00:15 <Zakim> +manu

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14:00:45 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Oct/0148.html
14:01:06 <Zakim> +??P26

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14:02:07 <Zakim> +ShaneM

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14:02:22 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

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14:02:23 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), markbirbeck

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14:03:01 <Zakim> +??P36

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14:03:06 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?

Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am ?

14:03:07 <Zakim> sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named '?'

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14:03:23 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am p36

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14:03:23 <Zakim> sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named 'p36'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named 'p36'

14:03:33 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ??p36

Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am ??p36

14:03:33 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it

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14:03:43 <webr3> zakim, i am ??P26

Nathan Rixham: zakim, i am ??P26

14:03:43 <Zakim> +webr3; got it

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14:04:25 <manu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Oct/0148.html

Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Oct/0148.html

14:04:47 <manu> Topic: ISSUE-37: Clarifying bnodes explanation

1. ISSUE-37: Clarifying bnodes explanation

14:04:52 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/37

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/37

14:05:47 <manu> [[[

Manu Sporny: [[[

14:05:49 <manu> Beyond keeping track of the differences, the processor may choose any internal representation of, for example, _:a and _:b. These representations are not required to be identical on two different runs of the processor on the same RDFa source. Processors are also not required to keep the original names when granting access to the RDF graph. The only requirement is that <em>different</em>...

Manu Sporny: Beyond keeping track of the differences, the processor may choose any internal representation of, for example, _:a and _:b. These representations are not required to be identical on two different runs of the processor on the same RDFa source. Processors are also not required to keep the original names when granting access to the RDF graph. The only requirement is that <em>different</em>...

14:05:50 <manu> ...blank nodes in the original source should be mapped onto <em>different</em> blank nodes, and <em>identical</em> blank nodes should be mapped on <em>identical</em> blank nodes when answering an API request or when serializing the graph.

Manu Sporny: ...blank nodes in the original source should be mapped onto <em>different</em> blank nodes, and <em>identical</em> blank nodes should be mapped on <em>identical</em> blank nodes when answering an API request or when serializing the graph.

14:05:52 <manu> ]]]

Manu Sporny: ]]]

14:06:40 <markbirbeck> "The argument of

Mark Birbeck: "The argument of

14:06:41 <markbirbeck> whether or not "_:abc" is a true URI or whether it is merely a mapping

Mark Birbeck: whether or not "_:abc" is a true URI or whether it is merely a mapping

14:06:41 <markbirbeck> to RDF's "_" mechanism was discussed as well."

Mark Birbeck: to RDF's "_" mechanism was discussed as well."

14:10:19 <markbirbeck> "The text says "the following triples will be generated" which is wrong. At the minimum, the 'will' should be a 'may', but it is better if the generated triples explicitly do _not_ use the same blank node identifiers, ie, something like

Mark Birbeck: "The text says "the following triples will be generated" which is wrong. At the minimum, the 'will' should be a 'may', but it is better if the generated triples explicitly do _not_ use the same blank node identifiers, ie, something like

14:10:20 <markbirbeck> _:xyz foaf:mbox <mailto:john@example.org> .

Scribe problem: the name '_' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Zakim IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot Steven Pemberton Shane McCarron Nathan Rixham Jean-Pierre EVAIN BOUBA FANTA Trackbot IRC Bot Nan Ma Benjamin Adrian Ivan Herman Sarah Pulis Mark Birbeck John O'Donovan Toby Inkster Markus Gylling Robert Weir Manu Sporny Knud Möller Ben Adida . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown _: xyz foaf:mbox <mailto:john@example.org> . [ Scribe Assist by Mark Birbeck ]

14:10:20 <markbirbeck> _:abc foaf:mbox <mailto:sue@example.org> .

Scribe problem: the name '_' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Zakim IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot Steven Pemberton Shane McCarron Nathan Rixham Jean-Pierre EVAIN BOUBA FANTA Trackbot IRC Bot Nan Ma Benjamin Adrian Ivan Herman Sarah Pulis Mark Birbeck John O'Donovan Toby Inkster Markus Gylling Robert Weir Manu Sporny Knud Möller Ben Adida . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown _: abc foaf:mbox <mailto:sue@example.org> . [ Scribe Assist by Mark Birbeck ]

14:10:20 <markbirbeck> _:xyz foaf:knows _:abc .

Scribe problem: the name '_' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Zakim IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot Steven Pemberton Shane McCarron Nathan Rixham Jean-Pierre EVAIN BOUBA FANTA Trackbot IRC Bot Nan Ma Benjamin Adrian Ivan Herman Sarah Pulis Mark Birbeck John O'Donovan Toby Inkster Markus Gylling Robert Weir Manu Sporny Knud Möller Ben Adida . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown _: xyz foaf:knows _:abc . [ Scribe Assist by Mark Birbeck ]

14:10:21 <markbirbeck> with an extra comment that draws attention on the fact that different bnode identifiers may be used on output."

Mark Birbeck: with an extra comment that draws attention on the fact that different bnode identifiers may be used on output."

14:11:09 <markbirbeck> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Oct/0024.html

Mark Birbeck: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Oct/0024.html

14:11:36 <manu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Oct/0100.html

Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Oct/0100.html

14:13:44 <manu> Topic: RDFa Profile file format

2. RDFa Profile file format

14:13:49 <manu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Sep/0037.html

Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Sep/0037.html

14:18:18 <markbirbeck> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Oct/0103.html

Mark Birbeck: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Oct/0103.html

14:18:44 <manu> Topic: ISSUE-39: RDFa term mapping triples

3. ISSUE-39: RDFa term mapping triples

14:18:51 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/39

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/39

14:19:53 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/ProfileSpec

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/ProfileSpec

14:24:01 <markbirbeck> "The 'compromise' solution that was discussed[1] and that very explicitly restricts the domain of discourse of these triples on the processor graph answers many of my concerns, though. As a consequence, and to merge several issues together, I am happy to go with a profile file in RDFa (or RDF in general) with the profile graph related solution."

Mark Birbeck: "The 'compromise' solution that was discussed[1] and that very explicitly restricts the domain of discourse of these triples on the processor graph answers many of my concerns, though. As a consequence, and to merge several issues together, I am happy to go with a profile file in RDFa (or RDF in general) with the profile graph related solution."

14:32:23 <manu> @prefix foo: <http://example.org/ns#> .

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Manu Sporny: @prefix foo: <http://example.org/ns#> .

14:37:22 <manu> Topic: ISSUE-16: RDFa Collections Syntax

4. ISSUE-16: RDFa Collections Syntax

14:37:28 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/16

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/16

14:39:19 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab/ uses bag

Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab/ uses bag

14:47:51 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

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Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck

14:48:01 <markbirbeck> Hey...what happened there!

Mark Birbeck: Hey...what happened there!

14:48:16 <markbirbeck> First time I've ever managed to connect to the UK bridge, and it drops me off. :)

Mark Birbeck: First time I've ever managed to connect to the UK bridge, and it drops me off. :)

14:48:24 <markbirbeck> Is it worth dialling back?

Mark Birbeck: Is it worth dialling back?

14:49:17 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

Mark Birbeck: zakim, code?

14:49:17 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), markbirbeck

14:49:44 <Zakim> +??P3

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14:49:53 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?

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14:49:53 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it

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14:53:24 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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14:53:25 <Zakim> -manu

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14:53:25 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

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14:53:27 <Zakim> -webr3

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14:53:27 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended

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14:53:29 <Zakim> Attendees were manu, ShaneM, markbirbeck, webr3

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14:53:40 <manu> trackbot, bye

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14:53:43 <manu> zakim, bye

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