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RDFa in XHTML Task Force

Minutes of 11 June 2009

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Jun/0031.html

Present

Unknown Manu_Sporny

Regrets

Unknown Michael_Hausenblas

Chair

Unknown Ben_Adida

Scribe

Unknown Manu_Sporny, Unknown msporny

Previous Meeting

http://www.w3.org/2009/06/04-rdfa-minutes.html

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

None.

Topics

Action Items
Test Cases
Target of RDFa Processing

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14:48:40 <msporny> zakim, this will be rdfa

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14:48:40 <Zakim> ok, msporny; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes

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14:49:04 <msporny> Meeting: RDFa in XHTML Task Force

14:49:11 <msporny> Chair: Ben_Adida

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14:49:40 <msporny> Present: Manu_Sporny

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14:49:49 <msporny> Regrets: Michael_Hausenblas

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14:50:01 <msporny> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Jun/0031.html

14:50:14 <msporny> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2009/06/04-rdfa-minutes.html

14:50:38 <msporny> rrsagent, draft minutes

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14:52:58 <Steven> Hi

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14:53:10 <msporny> Present+ Steven_Pemberton

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14:53:13 <msporny> Hi Steven :)

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14:53:32 <msporny> How's life?

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14:56:18 <Steven> Good; I'm at a vFtF at the moment, so only on irc today

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14:59:04 <msporny> Present+ Shane_McCarron

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15:01:01 <msporny> Present+ Ralph_Swick

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15:01:28 <msporny> zakim, code?

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15:01:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), msporny

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15:02:13 <Ralph> zakim, ??p8 is SHane

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15:02:22 <Ralph> zakim, SHane is Shane

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15:05:41 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida

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15:05:52 <msporny> Present+ Ben_Adida

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15:11:33 <msporny> benadida: need to leave 15 minutes early today

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15:11:43 <msporny> benadida: try to get to target of RDFa processing at 1/2 past today

Unknown benadida: try to get to target of RDFa processing at 1/2 past today ←

15:12:13 <Ralph> Manu: I talked with Robert Scobell last week

Unknown Manu_Sporny: I talked with Robert Scoble last week [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:12:28 <Ralph> ... he's talking about "2010 Web", launching "Building 43 Initiative"

Unknown Ralph: ... he's talking about "2010 Web", launching "Building 43 Initiative" ←

15:12:43 <Ralph> ... he'd like to learn more about Semantic Web and would like to do an interview

Unknown Ralph: ... he'd like to learn more about Semantic Web and would like to do an interview ←

15:12:55 <Ralph> ... perhaps RDFa could be his first interview

Unknown Ralph: ... perhaps RDFa could be his first interview ←

15:13:05 <Ralph> ... would you be interesting in being interviewed, Ben?

Unknown Ralph: ... would you be interesting in being interviewed, Ben? ←

15:13:08 <Ralph> Ben: sure

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15:13:29 <Ralph> s/Scobell/Scoble

15:13:46 <Ralph> -> http://scobleizer.com/ Scobleizer

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15:14:01 <Ralph> Ben: nice to keep the current momentum gonig

Unknown Ben: nice to keep the current momentum going [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:14:05 <Ralph> s/gonig/going

15:14:09 <Ralph> Topic: Action Items

1. Action Items

15:14:26 <msporny> scribenick: msporny

15:14:35 <msporny> ACTION: Manu create a wiki page for discussion of issue-214 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Manu create a wiki page for discussion of ISSUE-214 [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:14:40 <msporny> -- done

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15:14:58 <Zakim> + +0208761aaaa

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15:15:05 <msporny> http://rdfa.info/wiki/Rdfa-in-html-issues#Mixing_id_and_about_on_the_same_element

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15:15:09 <msporny> Present+ Mark_Birbeck

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15:15:12 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aaaa

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15:15:12 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it

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15:15:37 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph find the statement on test suite copyright [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

ACTION: Ralph find the statement on test suite copyright [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2009/06/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←

15:15:39 <msporny> -- continues

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15:15:47 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to author wiki page with charter template for RDFa IG. Manu to provide support where needed. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]

ACTION: Ben to author wiki page with charter template for RDFa IG. Manu to provide support where needed. [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-10] ←

15:15:49 <msporny> -- continues

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15:16:00 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to put up information on "how to write RDFa" with screencast possibly and instructions on bookmarklet. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Ben to put up information on "how to write RDFa" with screencast possibly and instructions on bookmarklet. [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:17:01 <msporny> -- drop

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15:17:22 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to prepare "how to write RDFa" screencast with fragment parser

ACTION: Ben to prepare "how to write RDFa" screencast with fragment parser ←

15:18:44 <msporny> markbirbeck: Do we need to keep track of these items? We do this sort of stuff as a natural part of what we do and it eats into the conversation time.

Unknown markbirbeck: Do we need to keep track of these items? We do this sort of stuff as a natural part of what we do and it eats into the conversation time. ←

15:18:57 <msporny> benadida: I will do this and we won't talk about it more until it's done.

Unknown benadida: I will do this and we won't talk about it more until it's done. ←

15:18:58 <msporny> ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] ←

15:19:02 <msporny> -- continues

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15:19:09 <msporny> ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:19:12 <msporny> -- continues

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15:19:41 <msporny> I'll try to work on this at SemTech.

I'll try to work on this at SemTech. ←

15:19:49 <msporny> markbirbeck: I'll try to work on this at SemTech.

Unknown markbirbeck: I'll try to work on this at SemTech. ←

15:19:51 <msporny> ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:19:53 <msporny> -- continues

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15:20:24 <msporny> markbirbeck: next step in your fragment parser is to generate these wizards?

Unknown markbirbeck: next step in your fragment parser is to generate these wizards? ←

15:20:26 <msporny> ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←

15:20:29 <msporny> -- continues

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15:20:37 <msporny> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]

ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-14]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-14] ←

15:20:39 <msporny> -- continues

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15:20:47 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph make a request for an RDFa issue tracker instance [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

ACTION: Ralph make a request for an RDFa issue tracker instance [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:20:48 <msporny> -- continues

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15:20:55 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph or Steven fix the .htaccess for the XHTML namespace [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ralph or Steven fix the .htaccess for the XHTML namespace [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:20:58 <msporny> -- continues

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15:21:05 <msporny> benadida: Anybody else we can ping on the issue tracker thing?

Unknown benadida: Anybody else we can ping on the issue tracker thing? ←

15:21:08 <msporny> Ralph: I'll just do it.

Unknown Ralph: I'll just do it. ←

15:21:20 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←

15:21:24 <msporny> -- continues

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15:21:41 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/04-testsuite-copyright.html Licenses for W3C Test Suites

Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/04-testsuite-copyright.html Licenses for W3C Test Suites ←

15:21:45 <msporny> Ralph: Got a test suite license pointer.

Unknown Ralph: Got a test suite license pointer. ←

15:21:51 <msporny> benadida: That action item is done.

Unknown benadida: That action item is done. ←

15:22:02 <msporny> Topic: Test Cases

2. Test Cases

15:22:46 <Ralph> Manu: let's defer discussion on tests 123, 127, and 128; they're related to other design discussions

Unknown Manu_Sporny: let's defer discussion on tests 123, 127, and 128; they're related to other design discussions [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:23:46 <Ralph> ... 124, 125, and 126 are ready for discussion

Unknown Ralph: ... 124, 125, and 126 are ready for discussion ←

15:24:15 <Ralph> ... there's a bug in 124 in the test harness; missing a space

Unknown Ralph: ... there's a bug in 124 in the test harness; missing a space ←

15:24:22 <Ralph> ... the email is correct

Unknown Ralph: ... the email is correct ←

15:24:48 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009May/0256.html "Suggested test case 0124" [Shane 2009-06-26]

Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009May/0256.html "Suggested test case 0124" [Shane 2009-05-26] ←

15:24:55 <Ralph> s/-06/-05

15:25:33 <msporny> scribenick: msporny

15:25:39 <msporny> benadida: any thoughts on Philips test cases?

Unknown benadida: any thoughts on Philips test cases? ←

15:25:43 <Ralph> Ben: I want to be sure we don't overlook http://philip.html5.org/demos/rdfa/results.html

Unknown Ben: I want to be sure we don't overlook http://philip.html5.org/demos/rdfa/results.html [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:26:07 <msporny> ShaneM1: Just want to go make sure they're thorough - looks good so far.

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Unknown ShaneM1: Just want to go make sure they're thorough - looks good so far. ←

15:26:31 <msporny> benadida: Can I run the test suite entirely in Javascript? Do we have a SPARQL implementation for the Javascript test suite?

Unknown benadida: Can I run the test suite entirely in Javascript? Do we have a SPARQL implementation for the Javascript test suite? ←

15:26:46 <msporny> markbirbeck: Had an issue creating the actual parser itself.

Unknown markbirbeck: Had an issue creating the actual parser itself. ←

15:27:09 <msporny> markbirbeck: I construct JS objects that look like SPARQL and use those.

Unknown markbirbeck: I construct JS objects that look like SPARQL and use those. ←

15:27:25 <msporny> benadida: Let's talk about that offline.

Unknown benadida: Let's talk about that offline. ←

15:27:30 <msporny> Topic: Target of RDFa Processing

3. Target of RDFa Processing

15:27:48 <msporny> benadida: Sam was on the call last week? That was good.

Unknown benadida: Sam was on the call last week? That was good. ←

15:27:59 <msporny> benadida: Appreciate all the work done to minimize the issue to the core problem.

Unknown benadida: Appreciate all the work done to minimize the issue to the core problem. ←

15:28:12 <msporny> benadida: Here's an idea...

Unknown benadida: Here's an idea... ←

15:28:19 <Ralph> -> http://rdfa.info/wiki/Rdfa-in-html-issues#The_target_of_RDFa_processing_rules  The target of RDFa processing rules

Unknown Ralph: -> http://rdfa.info/wiki/Rdfa-in-html-issues#The_target_of_RDFa_processing_rules The target of RDFa processing rules ←

15:28:29 <msporny> benadida: There is an idea that Mark has floated, which is to have an RDFa core processing rules document.

Unknown benadida: There is an idea that Mark has floated, which is to have an RDFa core processing rules document. ←

15:28:36 <msporny> benadida: It can be on an abstract document structure/tree.

Unknown benadida: It can be on an abstract document structure/tree. ←

15:28:57 <msporny> benadida: The way we make that happen in the long term, may be to not do that first, but write an RDFa for HTML5 document that is what Henri suggested.

Unknown benadida: The way we make that happen in the long term, may be to not do that first, but write an RDFa for HTML5 document that is what Henri suggested. ←

15:29:19 <msporny> benadida: Parse with html5lib and then work on the DOM - see if we can get a spec written up doing that...

Unknown benadida: Parse with html5lib and then work on the DOM - see if we can get a spec written up doing that... ←

15:29:37 <msporny> benadida: We can have specific rules for DOMs that have namespace support and those that don't.

Unknown benadida: We can have specific rules for DOMs that have namespace support and those that don't. ←

15:30:01 <msporny> benadida: We can then see where the triples differ between html5lib and xhtml.

Unknown benadida: We can then see where the triples differ between html5lib and xhtml. ←

15:30:11 <msporny> markbirbeck: Idea sounds okay, but the spec is already general.

Unknown markbirbeck: Idea sounds okay, but the spec is already general. ←

15:30:52 <msporny> markbirbeck: It says it can work on SAX and "child nodes" - so I think we're talking about namespace processing.

Unknown markbirbeck: It says it can work on SAX and "child nodes" - so I think we're talking about namespace processing. ←

15:31:01 <msporny> markbirbeck: Things like processing lower-case attributes.

Unknown markbirbeck: Things like processing lower-case attributes. ←

15:31:10 <msporny> markbirbeck: I think we can produce an HTML5 spec pretty quickly.

Unknown markbirbeck: I think we can produce an HTML5 spec pretty quickly. ←

15:31:37 <msporny> markbirbeck: This idea has come up before, before XHTML+RDFa

Unknown markbirbeck: This idea has come up before, before XHTML+RDFa ←

15:31:38 <Ralph> [[

Unknown Ralph: [[ ←

15:31:42 <Ralph> Processing need not follow the DOM traversal technique outlined here, although the effect of following some other manner of processing must be the same as if the processing outlined here were followed. The processing model is explained using the idea of DOM traversal which makes it easier to describe (particularly in relation to the [evaluation context]).

Unknown Ralph: Processing need not follow the DOM traversal technique outlined here, although the effect of following some other manner of processing must be the same as if the processing outlined here were followed. The processing model is explained using the idea of DOM traversal which makes it easier to describe (particularly in relation to the [evaluation context]). ←

15:31:43 <Ralph> ]]

Unknown Ralph: ]] ←

15:31:58 <Ralph> -- http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/#s_model

Unknown Ralph: -- http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/#s_model ←

15:32:08 <Ralph> (that's a pretty DOM-centric way of being "general" :) ]

Unknown Ralph: (that's a pretty DOM-centric way of being "general" :) ] ←

15:32:43 <msporny> markbirbeck: We should tightly control the general processing rules because there is a deep understanding in this group about what we're trying to achieve.

Unknown markbirbeck: We should tightly control the general processing rules because there is a deep understanding in this group about what we're trying to achieve. ←

15:33:09 <msporny> markbirbeck: If we can write the HTML5+RDFa spec, it's a quicker way of getting these issues hammered out.

Unknown markbirbeck: If we can write the HTML5+RDFa spec, it's a quicker way of getting these issues hammered out. ←

15:33:18 <ShaneM1> q+ to ask about processing rules

Unknown ShaneM1: q+ to ask about processing rules ←

15:33:59 <msporny> benadida: The rules don't have to be re-written in any significant way, but we do have to focus on how we get to the DOM.

Unknown benadida: The rules don't have to be re-written in any significant way, but we do have to focus on how we get to the DOM. ←

15:34:12 <msporny> benadida: First parse with html5lib - then use RDFa processing rules to process that DOM.

Unknown benadida: First parse with html5lib - then use RDFa processing rules to process that DOM. ←

15:34:38 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask about processing rules

Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to ask about processing rules ←

15:34:45 <msporny> ShaneM1: It's difficult to divorce the technical issues from the political/personal issues.

Unknown ShaneM1: It's difficult to divorce the technical issues from the political/personal issues. ←

15:34:55 <msporny> ShaneM1: I'm fundamentally opposed to repeating text in normative specifications.

Unknown ShaneM1: I'm fundamentally opposed to repeating text in normative specifications. ←

15:35:03 <msporny> ShaneM1: It creates divergence.

Unknown ShaneM1: It creates divergence. ←

15:35:06 <msporny> ack Shane

ack Shane ←

15:35:30 <msporny> ShaneM1: If processing rules are generic enough - and that was the intention with the current set of rules.

Unknown ShaneM1: If processing rules are generic enough - and that was the intention with the current set of rules. ←

15:35:47 <msporny> ShaneM1: if the rules aren't sufficiently generic, we must fix it in the underlying REC.

Unknown ShaneM1: if the rules aren't sufficiently generic, we must fix it in the underlying REC. ←

15:36:10 <markbirbeck> q+

Unknown markbirbeck: q+ ←

15:36:39 <msporny> benadida: I can live with that - we should revise XHTML+RDFa spec if the generic rules change.

Unknown benadida: I can live with that - we should revise XHTML+RDFa spec if the generic rules change. ←

15:36:48 <msporny> benadida: We should have one version of the rules.

Unknown benadida: We should have one version of the rules. ←

15:36:50 <msporny> ack Ralph

ack Ralph ←

15:36:50 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to prefer that the text match as closely as possible

Zakim IRC Bot: Ralph, you wanted to prefer that the text match as closely as possible ←

15:37:06 <msporny> Ralph: It's a shame if we have to have the text replicated in several places.

Unknown Ralph: It's a shame if we have to have the text replicated in several places. ←

15:37:28 <msporny> Ralph: if the choice is to have HTML WG to go off on a divergent path because we insist that they only reference an external document

Unknown Ralph: if the choice is to have HTML WG to go off on a divergent path because we insist that they only reference an external document ←

15:37:42 <msporny> Ralph: or if we can give them the text to place into their document.

Unknown Ralph: or if we can give them the text to place into their document. ←

15:37:59 <msporny> Ralph: We should give them the text (which is not preferrable technically).

Unknown Ralph: We should give them the text (which is not preferrable technically). ←

15:38:19 <msporny> Ralph: The original language didn't get some of this stuff right, so we're going to have to tweak the text.

Unknown Ralph: as we were drafting our spec, early language didn't get some of this stuff right and we tweaked the text. ←

15:38:38 <msporny> Ralph: The fewer tweaks we make, the better off we will be when we go back to fix the original spec.

Unknown Ralph: The fewer tweaks we make, the better off we will be to limit the introduction of new bugs ←

15:38:53 <msporny> Ralph: We should preserve as much of the text of the original spec as possible.

Unknown Ralph: We should preserve as much of the text of the original spec as possible. ←

15:39:01 <msporny> Ralph: What if we discover more bugs?

Unknown Ralph: What if we discover more bugs? ←

15:39:17 <msporny> Ralph: How much of this should we change?

Unknown Ralph: How much of this should we change? ←

15:39:29 <msporny> ShaneM1: Isn't that what the errata process is for?

Unknown ShaneM1: Isn't that what the errata process is for? ←

15:39:35 <msporny> Ralph: Depends upon the nature of the change.

Unknown Ralph: Depends upon the nature of the change. ←

15:40:43 <msporny> Ralph: We shouldn't make design changes - only errata type changes are allowed. We should start from that position.

Unknown Ralph: We shouldn't make design changes - only errata type changes are allowed. We should start from that position. ←

15:41:05 <msporny> ShaneM1: Errata is something we can publish immediately - in order to keep the specs in steps... as we discover problems, we should publish errata

Unknown ShaneM1: Errata is something we can publish immediately - in order to keep the specs in steps... as we discover problems, we should publish errata ←

15:41:29 <msporny> ShaneM1: important to try and minimize changes, but we've already discovered one issue that is critical - case sensitivity of CURIEs.

Unknown ShaneM1: important to try and minimize changes, but we've already discovered one issue that is critical - case sensitivity of CURIEs. ←

15:41:33 <msporny> ShaneM1: That's not minor.

Unknown ShaneM1: That's not minor. ←

15:41:43 <msporny> ack markbirbeck

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15:41:59 <msporny> markbirbeck: Slightly different way of coming at this - modularization idea is absolutely right.

Unknown markbirbeck: Slightly different way of coming at this - modularization idea is absolutely right. ←

15:42:10 <msporny> markbirbeck: He says we should fix this in the core, but there is no RDFa core.

Unknown markbirbeck: He says we should fix this in the core, but there is no RDFa core. ←

15:42:23 <msporny> markbirbeck: Maybe we'll have a first, and second implementation.

Unknown markbirbeck: Maybe we'll have a first, and second implementation. ←

15:42:38 <msporny> markbirbeck: We might want to do an RDFa 1.1 - don't know how this fits with the processes.

Unknown markbirbeck: We might want to do an RDFa 1.1 - don't know how this fits with the processes. ←

15:43:14 <Ralph> s/Ralph: The original/Ralph: as we were drafting our spec, early

15:43:16 <msporny> markbirbeck: We might be able to produce a new version of the spec that includes XHTML and HTML family languages.

Unknown markbirbeck: We might be able to produce a new version of the spec that includes XHTML and HTML family languages. ←

15:43:44 <msporny> markbirbeck: If it's HTML5, run html5lib and skip to core processing rules.

Unknown markbirbeck: If it's HTML5, run html5lib and skip to core processing rules. ←

15:43:54 <msporny> markbirbeck: If it's XHTML, run X and skip to core processing rules.

Unknown markbirbeck: If it's XHTML, run X and skip to core processing rules. ←

15:43:57 <Ralph> s/, so we're going to have to tweak/ and we tweaked

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15:44:09 <msporny> markbirbeck: Because it's an update on our current spec, we don't introduce fragmentation.

Unknown markbirbeck: Because it's an update on our current spec, we don't introduce fragmentation. ←

15:44:39 <ShaneM1> +1 on mark's suggestion assuming we have the ability to introduce material about HTML into the RDFa Syntax specification.

Unknown ShaneM1: +1 on mark's suggestion assuming we have the ability to introduce material about HTML into the RDFa Syntax specification. ←

15:44:57 <msporny> markbirbeck: In terms of the process, maybe this would be smoother approach.

Unknown markbirbeck: In terms of the process, maybe this would be smoother approach. ←

15:44:59 <msporny> ack Manu

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15:45:19 <Ralph> Manu: one of the biggest issues I have is generating more documents for people to review

Unknown Manu_Sporny: one of the biggest issues I have is generating more documents for people to review [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:45:35 <Ralph> ... we have a list of issues that are pretty clear at this point

Unknown Ralph: ... we have a list of issues that are pretty clear at this point ←

15:45:50 <Ralph> ... Sam Ruby and Philip agree these are all the issues currently known

Unknown Ralph: ... Sam Ruby and Philip agree these are all the issues currently known ←

15:46:16 <Ralph> ... so premature to decide on how to write an HTML+RDFa document until we've addressed these issues

Unknown Ralph: ... so premature to decide on how to write an HTML+RDFa document until we've addressed these issues ←

15:46:39 <Ralph> ... Mark's idea on "RDFa in HTML Languages" could be a way to avoid divergence

Unknown Ralph: ... Mark's idea on "RDFa in HTML Languages" could be a way to avoid divergence ←

15:47:17 <Ralph> ... separate test suites will be needed for HTML4+RDFa, HTML5+RDFa, ...; this grows exponentiallly

Unknown Ralph: ... separate test suites will be needed for HTML4+RDFa, HTML5+RDFa, ...; this grows exponentially ←

15:47:22 <Ralph> s/llly/lly

15:47:43 <ShaneM1> FWIW it is possible to have the same test suite exercise multiple languages.

Unknown ShaneM1: FWIW it is possible to have the same test suite exercise multiple languages. ←

15:47:45 <msporny> scribenick: msporny

15:47:51 <Ralph> ... I don't think we're far from being able to generate an RDFa 1.1 spec that addresses the current issue list

Unknown Ralph: ... I don't think we're far from being able to generate an RDFa 1.1 spec that addresses the current issue list ←

15:47:53 <msporny> benadida: Two quick things.

Unknown benadida: Two quick things. ←

15:48:21 <msporny> benadida: ideally this RDFa 1.1 approach would take some time.

Unknown benadida: ideally this RDFa 1.1 approach would take some time. ←

15:48:35 <Ralph> s/when we go back to fix the original spec./to limit the introduction of new bugs

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15:48:42 <msporny> benadida: We should provide some alternative to microdata

Unknown benadida: We should provide some alternative to microdata ←

15:49:01 <msporny> benadida: I'm worried that doing another REC would take a long time, and it's not the sort of thing that the HTML5 folks would include in their document.

Unknown benadida: I'm worried that doing another REC would take a long time, and it's not the sort of thing that the HTML5 folks would include in their document. ←

15:49:39 <Ralph> Manu: why would we not be able to put out an RDFa 1.1 draft spec in 2 weeks?

Unknown Manu_Sporny: why would we not be able to put out an RDFa 1.1 draft spec in 2 weeks? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:50:02 <Ralph> ... we wouldn't expect this to be included immediately in HTML5

Unknown Ralph: ... we wouldn't expect this to be included immediately in HTML5 ←

15:50:13 <ShaneM1> process issue - we don't have charter to say anything about HTML in a draft

Unknown ShaneM1: process issue - we don't have charter to say anything about HTML in a draft ←

15:50:15 <Ralph> Ben: then we'd have text duplication between RDFa 1.0 and RDFa 1.1

Unknown Ben: then we'd have text duplication between RDFa 1.0 and RDFa 1.1 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:50:17 <msporny> benadida: How do we address text duplication between XHTML+RDFa and HTML5?

Unknown benadida: How do we address text duplication between XHTML+RDFa and HTML5? ←

15:50:35 <msporny> markbirbeck: You're effectively deprecating RDFa 1.0 with RDFa 1.1.

Unknown markbirbeck: You're effectively deprecating RDFa 1.0 with RDFa 1.1. ←

15:50:56 <msporny> markbirbeck: The major differences are going to be case sensitivity, maybe @prefix and @token.

Unknown markbirbeck: The major differences are going to be case sensitivity, maybe @prefix and @token. ←

15:51:12 <msporny> Ralph: You're going to have to work with the HTML WG.

Unknown Ralph: You're going to have to work with the HTML WG. ←

15:51:48 <msporny> Ralph: You must work with HTML WG RDFa 1.1

Unknown Ralph: You must work with HTML WG RDFa 1.1 ←

15:52:37 <msporny> benadida: I think we do agree on RDFa working on a model like this - first html5lib then generic RDFa processing rules.

Unknown benadida: I think we do agree on RDFa working on a model like this - first html5lib then generic RDFa processing rules. ←

15:53:20 <msporny> Manu: I think we're saying that something produces a tree-like model, and then the RDFa processing rules operate on that tree-like model.

Unknown Manu_Sporny: I think we're saying that something produces a tree-like model, and then the RDFa processing rules operate on that tree-like model. ←

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15:54:00 <msporny> ShaneM1: Ralph - you said we have to work with HTML WG, I don't think we can say anything about HTML in an updated RDFa 1.1

Unknown ShaneM1: Ralph - you said we have to work with HTML WG, I don't think we can say anything about HTML in an updated RDFa 1.1 ←

15:54:55 <msporny> Ralph: We are not going to get permission to publish RDFa 1.1 without working with HTML WG.

Unknown Ralph: We are not going to get permission to publish RDFa 1.1 without working with HTML WG. ←

15:55:11 <msporny> markbirbeck: I disagree with Manu's point that we should have more discussion before publishing something.

Unknown markbirbeck: I disagree with Manu's point that we should have more discussion before publishing something. ←

15:55:32 <msporny> markbirbeck: In the end, commit-then-review may be the way to go forward.

Unknown markbirbeck: In the end, commit-then-review may be the way to go forward. ←

15:55:33 <ShaneM1> Remember that "proposals have momentum"

Unknown ShaneM1: Remember that "proposals have momentum" ←

15:55:48 <msporny> markbirbeck: It is a convenient way of discussing things.

Unknown markbirbeck: It is a convenient way of discussing things. ←

15:56:02 <msporny> Ralph: Feel free to do what you want with the editors draft, but they're not going to get WD status.

Unknown Ralph: Feel free to do what you want with the editors draft, but they're not going to get WD status. ←

15:56:14 <msporny> markbirbeck: I think we're mainly discussing how to stop the fragmentation of the text.

Unknown markbirbeck: I think we're mainly discussing how to stop the fragmentation of the text. ←

15:56:47 <msporny> markbirbeck: There is already some fragmentation - Shane's document and Philip's document...

Unknown markbirbeck: There is already some fragmentation - Shane's document and Philip's document... ←

15:57:15 <msporny> markbirbeck: Why can't we create a document and then use it as a discussion point.

Unknown markbirbeck: Why can't we create a document and then use it as a discussion point. ←

15:58:02 <msporny> markbirbeck: Perhaps we should focus on generating something to the HTML5 community to show them that we're working on these issues.

Unknown markbirbeck: Perhaps we should focus on generating something to the HTML5 community to show them that we're working on these issues. ←

15:58:11 <msporny> markbirbeck: It also stops fragmentation.

Unknown markbirbeck: It also stops fragmentation. ←

15:58:25 <msporny> Manu: What are we calling that document?

Unknown Manu_Sporny: What are we calling that document? ←

15:58:36 <msporny> markbirbeck: We talked about RDFa Core.

Unknown markbirbeck: We talked about RDFa Core. ←

15:58:57 <msporny> Ralph: RDF Core means "the core RDF spec itself"

Unknown Ralph: RDF Core means "the core RDF spec itself" ←

15:59:12 <msporny> markbirbeck: RDFa Core would contain nothing but the core processing rules.

Unknown markbirbeck: RDFa Core would contain nothing but the core processing rules. ←

15:59:27 <msporny> markbirbeck: Maybe the other approach is to have one RDFa spec, but for that spec to be continually updated.

Unknown markbirbeck: Maybe the other approach is to have one RDFa spec, but for that spec to be continually updated. ←

15:59:40 <msporny> markbirbeck: Maybe the document should contain XHTML, HTML, SVG Tiny.

Unknown markbirbeck: Maybe the document should contain XHTML, HTML, SVG Tiny. ←

15:59:54 <msporny> markbirbeck: Maybe it should include Data+RSS from Yahoo?

Unknown markbirbeck: Maybe it should include Data+RSS from Yahoo? ←

16:00:13 <msporny> markbirbeck: Everything being deferred to the core section of the document?

Unknown markbirbeck: Everything being deferred to the core section of the document? ←

16:00:21 <Steven> I have to go now (not that I have done any more than lurk)

Unknown Steven: I have to go now (not that I have done any more than lurk) ←

16:00:41 <msporny> markbirbeck: Maybe this document is more than just RDFa+XHTML...

Unknown markbirbeck: Maybe this document is more than just RDFa+XHTML... ←

16:01:58 <msporny> ShaneM1: My question is since the short name is RDFa Syntax - if we change the operational title, is it a process issue?

Unknown ShaneM1: My question is since the short name is RDFa Syntax - if we change the operational title, is it a process issue? ←

16:02:34 <ShaneM1> s/RDFA Syntax/rdfa-syntax/

Unknown ShaneM1: s/RDFA Syntax/rdfa-syntax/ (warning: replacement failed) ←

16:02:44 <msporny> Ralph: It could be done, but there are other issues.

Unknown Ralph: It could be done, but there are other issues. ←

16:03:09 <msporny> Ralph: The longer we go trying to operate in RDF in XHTML - the worse it will look for us.

Unknown Ralph: The longer we go trying to operate as an independent task force - the worse it will look for us. ←

16:03:41 <msporny> markbirbeck: We could talk about this on the mailing lists - which we've done.

Unknown markbirbeck: We could talk about this on the mailing lists - which we've done. ←

16:03:45 <Ralph> s/in RDF in XHTML/as an independent task force

16:03:48 <msporny> markbirbeck: We could also generate a document to talk about.

Unknown markbirbeck: We could also generate a document to talk about. ←

16:04:03 <msporny> markbirbeck: We should make this document look like what we'd like it to be.

Unknown markbirbeck: We should make this document look like what we'd like it to be. ←

16:09:04 <msporny> ShaneM1: Maybe Mark and I can work on a structure of the document offline?

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Unknown ShaneM1: Maybe Mark and I can work on a structure of the document offline? ←

16:09:16 <msporny> ShaneM1: Our target audience might not find it acceptable.

Unknown ShaneM1: Our target audience might not find it acceptable. ←

16:10:27 <msporny> markbirbeck: We may want to focus on an "RDFa" document instead of several "RDFa in X" documents.

Unknown markbirbeck: We may want to focus on an "RDFa" document instead of several "RDFa in X" documents. ←

16:11:55 <msporny> Ralph: The RDFa IG notion is on the table - and that group will be involved in decisions on RDFa moving forward.

Unknown Ralph: The RDFa IG notion is on the table - and that group will be involved in decisions on RDFa moving forward. ←

16:12:12 <msporny> markbirbeck: Where do LinkedData people come in?

Unknown markbirbeck: Where do LinkedData people come in? ←

16:12:27 <msporny> Ralph: They don't have a formal group yet, if pressed, they could be part of SWIG.

Unknown Ralph: They don't have a formal group yet, if pressed, they could be part of SWIG. ←

16:12:57 <msporny> Ralph: SWIG has a practice of creating Task Forces - Healthcare/Life Science came out of that.

Unknown Ralph: SWIG has a practice of creating Task Forces - Healthcare/Life Science came out of that. ←

16:13:39 <msporny> markbirbeck: Wonder if there is a case for stating that RDFa has a place in Linked Data.

Unknown markbirbeck: Wonder if there is a case for stating that RDFa has a place in Linked Data. ←

16:14:45 <msporny> Ralph: Good thought, but no formal structure for Linked Data.

Unknown Ralph: Good thought, but no formal structure for Linked Data. ←

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16:15:27 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, msporny, Shane, Ben_Adida, +0208761aaaa, markbirbeck

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19:05:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu create a wiki page for discussion of issue-214 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [1]

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19:05:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph find the statement on test suite copyright [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] [2]

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19:05:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to author wiki page with charter template for RDFa IG. Manu to provide support where needed. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] [3]

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19:05:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to prepare "how to write RDFa" screencast with fragment parser [5]

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19:05:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [6]

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19:05:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [7]

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19:05:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [8]

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19:05:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] [10]

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19:05:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph make a request for an RDFa issue tracker instance [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [11]

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