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RDFa in XHTML Task Force

Minutes of 28 May 2009

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009May/0284.html

Present

Unknown Manu_Sporny, Unknown Ralph_Swick

Chair

Unknown Ben

Scribe

Unknown msporny, Unknown Ralph_Swick

Previous Meeting

http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-rdfa-minutes.html

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

None.

Topics

Action Review
RDFa IG status update from Ralph
Sorting priorities - @token, RDFa Profiles, HTML+RDFa

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14:56:07 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-irc

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14:56:31 <msporny> zakim, this will be RDFa in XHTML Task Force

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14:56:31 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, msporny

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14:56:35 <msporny> zakim, this will be rdfa

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14:56:35 <Zakim> ok, msporny; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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14:56:52 <msporny> Meeting: RDFa in XHTML Task Force

14:57:12 <msporny> Present: Manu_Sporny, Ralph_Swick

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14:57:38 <msporny> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009May/0284.html

14:57:53 <msporny> previous: http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-rdfa-minutes.html

14:58:16 <msporny> rrsagent, make log public

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14:58:23 <msporny> rrsagent, draft minutes

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14:58:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-minutes.html msporny

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15:00:13 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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15:00:20 <Zakim> +Ralph

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15:00:49 <markbirbeck> on my way...

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15:01:11 <Ralph> regrets+ Michael_Hausenblas

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15:01:53 <Steven> zakim, who is here?

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15:01:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ralph

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15:01:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see Steven, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ralph, msporny, markbirbeck

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15:01:59 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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15:02:00 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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15:02:04 <Zakim> -Ralph

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15:02:08 <Zakim> +Steven

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15:03:12 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

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15:03:12 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

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15:03:49 <Zakim> + +0208761aaaa

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15:03:50 <msporny> wierd... zakim's not letting me in...

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15:03:55 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aaaa

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15:03:55 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it

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15:04:23 <Zakim> +ShaneM

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15:04:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:04:37 <msporny> zakim, I am +IPcaller

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15:04:44 <Zakim> sorry, msporny, I do not see a party named '+IPcaller'

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15:04:56 <msporny> zakim, I am IPcaller

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15:04:56 <Zakim> ok, msporny, I now associate you with [IPcaller]

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15:05:41 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida

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15:08:54 <msporny> scribe: msporny

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15:09:04 <msporny> Chair: Ben_Adida, Manu_Sporny

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15:09:08 <Ralph> agenda+ issue-214

Unknown Ralph_Swick: agenda+ ISSUE-214 ←

15:09:10 <msporny> Ralph: I have an addition to the agenda

Unknown Ralph_Swick: I have an addition to the agenda ←

15:09:32 <msporny> Ralph: May not need a lot of discussion...

Unknown Ralph_Swick: May not need a lot of discussion in today's telecon ←

15:10:08 <Ralph> s/.../today

created using i/ACTION: Ben/Topic: Action Review

1. Action Review

15:10:11 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to put up information on "how to write RDFa" with screencast possibly and instructions on bookmarklet. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Ben to put up information on "how to write RDFa" with screencast possibly and instructions on bookmarklet. [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:10:19 <Ralph> s/discussiontoday/discussion in today's telecon

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15:10:39 <msporny> ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] ←

15:10:47 <msporny> -- continues

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15:10:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph ←

15:11:03 <msporny> ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:11:06 <msporny> -- continues

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15:11:17 <msporny> ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:11:26 <Ralph> present+ Steven_Pemberton, Mark_Birbeck, Shane_McCarron

Unknown Ralph_Swick: present+ Steven_Pemberton, Mark_Birbeck, Shane_McCarron ←

15:11:34 <Ralph> Chair: Ben

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15:12:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph ←

15:12:54 <msporny> Ben: It would be very useful to have ways to drop in RDFa on their pages.

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Unknown Ben: It would be very useful to have ways to drop in RDFa on their pages. ←

15:13:13 <msporny> ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:13:15 <msporny> -- continues

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15:13:22 <msporny> I don't know if that just broke something, Ralph...

I don't know if that just broke something, Ralph... ←

15:13:31 <msporny> ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←

15:13:37 <Ralph> i/ACTION: Ben/Topic: Action Review

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15:13:59 <msporny> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minuACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]tes.html#action14]

ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minuACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-14]tes.html#ACTION-14]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-14]tes.html#ACTION-14] ←

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15:14:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph ←

15:14:27 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph or Steven fix the .htaccess for the XHTML namespace [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ralph or Steven fix the .htaccess for the XHTML namespace [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:15:44 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action01 discussion

Unknown Ralph_Swick: -> ACTION-01">http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01 discussion ←

15:15:52 <msporny> -- continues

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15:16:32 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←

15:16:42 <msporny> -- continues

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15:17:02 <markbirbeck> http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa_Recipes

Unknown markbirbeck: http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa_Recipes ←

15:17:47 <msporny> http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials

http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials ←

15:18:12 <Steven> http://rdfa.info/wiki/RSS1-tutorial

Unknown Steven: http://rdfa.info/wiki/RSS1-tutorial ←

15:20:30 <msporny> http://rdfa.info/wiki/Audio-tutorial

http://rdfa.info/wiki/Audio-tutorial ←

15:21:22 <Ralph> Mark: some of these tutorials look more like recipes to me

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Unknown Mark: some of these tutorials look more like recipes to me [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph_Swick ] ←

15:21:32 <Ralph> Manu: yes, I agree

Unknown Manu_Sporny: yes, I agree [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph_Swick ] ←

15:22:19 <Ralph> Mark: I do think recipes are a great resource; lots of snippets for people to grab

Unknown Mark: I do think recipes are a great resource; lots of snippets for people to grab [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph_Swick ] ←

15:22:51 <Ralph> Manu: could move snippets to a recipes section and link to Mark's blog

Unknown Manu_Sporny: could move snippets to a recipes section and link to Mark's blog [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph_Swick ] ←

15:23:20 <Ralph> ... might be nice for the RDFa wiki to have [copies of] everything

Unknown Ralph_Swick: ... might be nice for the RDFa wiki to have [copies of] everything ←

15:24:26 <Ralph> Mark: we could create some stub pages ala Wikipedia too, to enlist community help

Unknown Mark: we could create some stub pages ala Wikipedia too, to enlist community help [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph_Swick ] ←

15:26:53 <msporny> Ralph: Not ready to accept defeat on RSS+RDFa action item.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: Not ready to accept defeat on RSS+RDFa action item. ←

15:26:54 <Ralph> Ralph: I'm not yet prepared to admit defeat on my RSS+RDFa action :)

Unknown Ralph_Swick: I'm not yet prepared to admit defeat on my RSS+RDFa action :) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph_Swick ] ←

15:26:56 <msporny> :)

:) ←

15:27:20 <msporny> Topic: RDFa IG status update from Ralph

2. RDFa IG status update from Ralph

15:27:28 <msporny> Ralph: I said I'd talk with Ivan about an IG.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: I said I'd talk with Ivan about an IG. ←

15:27:55 <msporny> Ralph: My sense of the discussion is that Ivan concurs that an XG is fine.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: My sense of the discussion is that Ivan concurs that an XG is fine. ←

15:28:05 <Steven> q+

Unknown Steven: q+ ←

15:28:31 <msporny> Ralph: A difference between an IG and XG for what they can publish is that an XG does not publish Working Drafts, whereas an IG can.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: A difference between an IG and XG for what they can publish is that an XG does not publish Working Drafts, whereas an IG can. ←

15:28:48 <msporny> Ralph: There is no prohibition from an XG publishing something - it can publish an XG report.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: There is no prohibition from an XG publishing something - it can publish an XG report. ←

15:29:00 <msporny> Ralph: It's usually in the form of a straw-man proposal.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: It's usually in the form of a straw-man proposal. ←

15:29:30 <msporny> Ralph: There's no precedent for publishing multiple proposals that I can think of, but nothing should stop that from happening.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: There's no precedent for publishing multiple proposals that I can think of, but nothing should stop that from happening. ←

15:29:41 <msporny> Ralph: IG takes a formal proposal to AC.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: IG takes a formal proposal to AC. ←

15:30:07 <msporny> Steven: I'm worried that people will get the wrong idea, XG is meant to incubate and be a starter.

Unknown Steven: I'm worried that people will get the wrong idea, XG is meant to incubate and be a starter. ←

15:30:36 <msporny> Steven: an IG is meant to continue work... it's more process to get started and it seems to fit better with what we're doing.

Unknown Steven: an IG is meant to continue work... it's more process to get started and it seems to fit better with what we're doing. ←

15:31:04 <msporny> Steven: I don't see the AC not agreeing to IG.

Unknown Steven: I don't see the AC not agreeing to IG. ←

15:31:41 <msporny> Ben: Yes, seems like IG would be a good way to go.

Unknown Ben: Yes, seems like IG would be a good way to go. ←

15:32:27 <msporny> Ralph: To specifically carry forward the design discussions, I'd characterize that as RDFa in HTML and that's a well-scoped task that we can give to any group.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: To specifically carry forward the design discussions, I'd characterize that as RDFa in HTML and that's a well-scoped task that we can give to any group. ←

15:32:57 <msporny> Ralph: I do think that an IG is beneficial and would be fairly easy to make happen.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: I do think that an IG is beneficial and would be fairly easy to make happen. ←

15:33:00 <msporny> +1 for IG

+1 for IG ←

15:33:44 <msporny> Ralph: IG expect team contact resources - which is both good and bad. Depends on if we have extra people to put on it that is interested.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: IG expect team contact resources - which is both good and bad. Depends on if we have extra people to put on it that is interested. ←

15:34:11 <msporny> Ralph: I'm certainly interested, but I'm afraid that I may not have the time.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: I'm certainly interested, but I'm afraid that I may not have the time. ←

15:34:46 <msporny> Steven: I may have the time for the team contact role.

Unknown Steven: I may have the time for the team contact role. ←

15:35:02 <msporny> Ben: Sounds like IG, even with the overhead, is the more appropriate direction.

Unknown Ben: Sounds like IG, even with the overhead, is the more appropriate direction. ←

15:35:23 <msporny> Ben: anybody else prefer XG?

Unknown Ben: anybody else prefer XG? ←

15:36:16 <msporny> Steven: We should make it clear that RDFa is a W3C technology and it should get resources from W3C going forward.

Unknown Steven: We should make it clear that RDFa is a W3C technology and it should get resources from W3C going forward. ←

15:37:07 <msporny> Manu: Where does the IG charter proposal have to come from?

Unknown Manu_Sporny: Where does the IG charter proposal have to come from? ←

15:37:47 <msporny> Ralph: usually comes from the activity lead, Ivan in this case, to W3C management, which approves and sends to AC to discuss.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: usually comes from the activity lead, Ivan in this case, to W3C management, which approves and sends to AC to discuss. ←

15:37:54 <msporny> Ralph: Anybody can draft it.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: Anybody can draft it. ←

15:38:10 <msporny> Ben: I'm happy to put some time into that... would be high on my priority list.

Unknown Ben: I'm happy to put some time into that... would be high on my priority list. ←

15:38:23 <msporny> Ben: We could do this on the wiki - draft the charter on the wiki.

Unknown Ben: We could do this on the wiki - draft the charter on the wiki. ←

15:38:26 <ShaneM> Note that our current structure continues under the XHTML 2 working group until the end of 2009.

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Unknown ShaneM: Note that our current structure continues under the XHTML 2 working group until the end of 2009. ←

15:38:40 <msporny> Ralph: There is a charter template that we can put on the wiki.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: There is a charter template that we can put on the wiki. ←

15:39:41 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to author wiki page with charter template for RDFa IG. Manu to provide support where needed.

ACTION: Ben to author wiki page with charter template for RDFa IG. Manu to provide support where needed. ←

15:39:42 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/Guide/Charter.html How to Creat an Interest Group

Unknown Ralph_Swick: -> http://www.w3.org/Guide/Charter.html How to Creat an Interest Group ←

15:40:14 <msporny> Ralph: Charter aggregator/generator is on that page.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: Charter aggregator/generator is on that page. ←

15:41:14 <msporny> Topic: Sorting priorities - @token, RDFa Profiles, HTML+RDFa

3. Sorting priorities - @token, RDFa Profiles, HTML+RDFa

created using i/Manu: the or/scribenick: ralph

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15:41:52 <Ralph> Manu: the order in the agenda is just random, not necessarily reflecting my preferences

Unknown Manu_Sporny: the order in the agenda is just random, not necessarily reflecting my preferences ←

15:42:07 <Ralph> ... @token and profiles interact

... @token and profiles interact ←

15:42:35 <Ralph> ... HTML+RDFa has gotten interest from others who want to see it pushed forward

... HTML+RDFa has gotten interest from others who want to see it pushed forward ←

15:42:49 <Ralph> i/Manu: the or/scribenick: ralph

15:43:16 <Ralph> ... my preference would be to focus primarily on HTML+RDFa discussion

... my preference would be to focus primarily on HTML+RDFa discussion ←

15:43:43 <Ralph> ... @token and profiles discussion *may* help solve problems with HTML+RDFa but otherwise are secondary

... @token and profiles discussion *may* help solve problems with HTML+RDFa but otherwise are secondary ←

15:44:03 <Ralph> Ben: different TF participants might work in parallel

Unknown Ben: different TF participants might work in parallel ←

15:44:57 <ShaneM> FWIW I feel the "issues" related to RDFa in HTML (4) are basically the same as any issues related to RDFa in HTML 5.

Unknown ShaneM: FWIW I feel the "issues" related to RDFa in HTML (4) are basically the same as any issues related to RDFa in HTML 5. ←

15:45:57 <Ralph> Mark: here's how I work out what the priorities should be

Unknown Mark: here's how I work out what the priorities should be ←

15:46:15 <Ralph> ... adoption does not seem to be hampered by the fact that we've written XHTML+RDFa, not HTML+RDFa

... adoption does not seem to be hampered by the fact that we've written XHTML+RDFa, not HTML+RDFa ←

15:46:39 <Ralph> ... there some subtleties such as nsprefixes not all in the same case, XML literals

... there some subtleties such as nsprefixes not all in the same case, XML literals ←

15:46:53 <Ralph> ... but this doesn't appear to be stopping people from using RDFa

... but this doesn't appear to be stopping people from using RDFa ←

15:47:41 <Ralph> ... we're going in the right direction; HTML5 aside, what would we be doing next?

... we're going in the right direction; HTML5 aside, what would we be doing next? ←

15:47:52 <Ralph> ... I'd pay attention to avoiding fragmentation

... I'd pay attention to avoiding fragmentation ←

15:48:15 <Ralph> ... perhaps discussion on a core document that's neither HTML nor XHTML

... perhaps discussion on a core document that's neither HTML nor XHTML ←

15:48:36 <Ralph> ... use that core document as a mechanism to address XML literals

... use that core document as a mechanism to address XML literals ←

15:48:37 <Steven> +1 to promulgation being a priority

Unknown Steven: +1 to promulgation being a priority ←

15:49:00 <ShaneM> +1

Unknown ShaneM: +1 ←

15:50:04 <Ralph> Ben: is there a conflict between what we're promulgating right now in our examples with what's going on in the HTML WG?

Unknown Ben: is there a conflict between what we're promulgating right now in our examples with what's going on in the HTML WG? ←

15:50:30 <Ralph> Manu: I don't think any of us here think there's a conflict but that opinion isn't shared by some others

Unknown Manu_Sporny: I don't think any of us here think there's a conflict but that opinion isn't shared by some others ←

15:50:52 <Ralph> Ben: Shane's HTML4+RDFa document shows a mechanism that works with HTML5

Unknown Ben: Shane's HTML4+RDFa document shows a mechanism that works with HTML5 ←

15:51:06 <Ralph> Manu: some good issues -- mostly corner cases -- are being brought up though

Unknown Manu_Sporny: some good issues -- mostly corner cases -- are being brought up though ←

15:51:21 <ShaneM> q+ to talk about examples

Unknown ShaneM: q+ to talk about examples ←

15:51:32 <Steven> q-

Unknown Steven: q- ←

15:51:34 <Ralph> Ben: yes, we should resolve the edge cases but that need not stop us from continuing to promulgate the examples

Unknown Ben: yes, we should resolve the edge cases but that need not stop us from continuing to promulgate the examples ←

15:51:48 <Ralph> Manu: we haven't run a lot of our tests against HTML4 and HTML5 documents

Unknown Manu_Sporny: we haven't run a lot of our tests against HTML4 and HTML5 documents ←

15:52:05 <Ralph> Ben: I run all my tests in Firefox with javascript

Unknown Ben: I run all my tests in Firefox with javascript ←

15:52:35 <Ralph> ... maybe there's no conflict between fixing edge cases and further promulgation of examples

... maybe there's no conflict between fixing edge cases and further promulgation of examples ←

15:52:43 <Ralph> Manu: not sure we currently have enough data to say

Unknown Manu_Sporny: not sure we currently have enough data to say ←

15:53:22 <Ralph> ... not sure we can safely say there will be no issues

... not sure we can safely say there will be no issues ←

15:54:08 <Ralph> Ben: if folk are doing wierd things such as not paying attention to case sensitivity, that would be a conflict

Unknown Ben: if folk are doing wierd things such as not paying attention to case sensitivity, that would be a conflict ←

15:54:38 <Ralph> ... but new @rel values do not present hard conflicts

... but new @rel values do not present hard conflicts ←

15:55:26 <Ralph> Shane: we should avoid use cases where prefix names are anything other than lowercase and examples that use XML literals

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Unknown Shane: we should avoid use cases where prefix names are anything other than lowercase and examples that use XML literals ←

15:55:42 <Ralph> ... it's OK for us to promote our Recommendation

... it's OK for us to promote our Recommendation ←

15:56:03 <msporny> scribenick: msporny

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15:56:06 <Ralph> ... just avoid things we know are problems and we're fine

Unknown Ralph_Swick: ... just avoid things we know are problems and we're fine ←

15:56:33 <msporny> Ben: We're going to have different priorities, some are going to focus on HTML+RDFa, some are going to focus on @token, others RDFa Profile.

Unknown Ben: We're going to have different priorities, some are going to focus on HTML+RDFa, some are going to focus on @token, others RDFa Profile. ←

15:56:46 <msporny> Ben: Immediate priority is helping Sam Ruby help us with HTML+RDFa

Unknown Ben: Immediate priority is helping Sam Ruby help us with HTML+RDFa ←

15:57:00 <Ralph> scribenick: ralph

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15:57:15 <msporny> http://rdfa.info/wiki/Rdfa-in-html-issues

Unknown msporny: http://rdfa.info/wiki/Rdfa-in-html-issues ←

15:57:16 <Ralph> Manu: my suggested priorities ...

Unknown Manu_Sporny: my suggested priorities ... ←

15:57:41 <Ralph> ... issues page documents everything raised in the long thread

... issues page documents everything raised in the long thread ←

15:58:04 <Ralph> ... case sensitivity and @xmlns are the two biggest issues

... case sensitivity and @xmlns are the two biggest issues ←

15:58:21 <Ralph> ... several issues related to @xmlns; empty prefixes, underscores, etc.

... several issues related to @xmlns; empty prefixes, underscores, etc. ←

15:58:33 <Ralph> Ben: those related issues I'd characterize as edge cases

Unknown Ben: those related issues I'd characterize as edge cases ←

15:58:58 <msporny> http://rdfa.info/wiki/Rdfa-in-html-requirements

Unknown msporny: http://rdfa.info/wiki/Rdfa-in-html-requirements ←

15:59:03 <Ralph> Manu: regarding requirements, there are quite a number of conflicting requirements

Unknown Manu_Sporny: regarding requirements, there are quite a number of conflicting requirements ←

15:59:18 <Ralph> ... I have not yet sorted through all of this

... I have not yet sorted through all of this ←

16:00:03 <Ralph> ... Sam Ruby's request asking us to address his comments is reasonable

... Sam Ruby's request asking us to address his comments is reasonable ←

16:01:32 <Ralph> ... we're slower to respond than some people prefer which is apparently interpreted as lack of transparency, even though we're being open

... we're slower to respond than some people prefer which is apparently interpreted as lack of transparency, even though we're being open ←

16:01:57 <ShaneM> FWIW Philip has said that we are responsive - it was Sam who said we were not responding to Philip

Unknown ShaneM: FWIW Philip has said that we are responsive - it was Sam who said we were not responding to Philip ←

16:03:06 <Ralph> Ben: case sensitivity is more important to address than some other comments

Unknown Ben: case sensitivity is more important to address than some other comments ←

16:03:38 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←

16:03:52 <Ralph> ... some things that have been raised as comments are really non-issues

... some things that have been raised as comments are really non-issues ←

16:04:05 <Ralph> ... I'll put some time into helping with these responses

... I'll put some time into helping with these responses ←

16:04:50 <Ralph> Manu: I created the wiki page because people were complaining that we hadn't acknowledged some messages after 2 days

Unknown Manu_Sporny: I created the wiki page because people were complaining that we hadn't acknowledged some messages after 2 days ←

16:05:30 <msporny> Ben: Can we set up an issue tracker for this stuff?

Unknown Ben: Can we set up an issue tracker for this stuff? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

16:05:42 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph make a request for an RDFa issue tracker instance

ACTION: Ralph make a request for an RDFa issue tracker instance ←

16:05:49 <Ralph> scribenick: msporny

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16:05:51 <msporny> Ben: We are going to be extremely transparent about this, as we have always been.

Unknown Ben: We are going to be extremely transparent about this, as we have always been. ←

16:06:58 <msporny> ACTION: Manu to go through and categorize issues and requirements that we should address going forward.

ACTION: Manu to go through and categorize issues and requirements that we should address going forward. ←

16:07:20 <msporny> Steven: Should we go back to weekly meetings?

Unknown Steven: Should we go back to weekly meetings? ←

16:07:25 <msporny> Manu: +1 for weekly meetings.

Unknown Manu_Sporny: +1 for weekly meetings. ←

16:07:33 <msporny> Ben: Is that okay to go back to weekly meetings?

Unknown Ben: Is that okay to go back to weekly meetings? ←

16:07:34 <markbirbeck> zakim, mute me

Unknown markbirbeck: zakim, mute me ←

16:07:34 <Zakim> markbirbeck should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: markbirbeck should now be muted ←

16:07:52 <markbirbeck> zakim, unmute me

Unknown markbirbeck: zakim, unmute me ←

16:07:52 <Zakim> markbirbeck should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: markbirbeck should no longer be muted ←

16:08:03 <msporny> Steven: If people are thinking that we're slow about this stuff, we should step it up and meet weekly.

Unknown Steven: If people are thinking that we're slow about this stuff, we should step it up and meet weekly. ←

16:08:20 <msporny> Mark: Yes, weekly sounds good.

Unknown Mark: Yes, weekly sounds good. ←

16:08:46 <msporny> Ben: Let's go to weekly meetings then.

Unknown Ben: Let's go to weekly meetings then. ←

16:09:44 <Zakim> -Ralph

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ralph ←

16:11:24 <Ralph> [I'll send mail about issue-214]

Unknown Ralph_Swick: [I'll send mail about ISSUE-214] ←

16:21:09 <Ralph> MUST => PAG

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Unknown Ralph_Swick: ←

16:21:33 <Ralph> s/MUST => PAG//

16:24:33 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←

16:24:38 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ben_Adida ←

16:24:59 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←

16:25:37 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

16:25:38 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended ←

16:25:40 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, Steven, +0208761aaaa, markbirbeck, ShaneM, [IPcaller], Ben_Adida

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Ralph, Steven, +0208761aaaa, markbirbeck, ShaneM, [IPcaller], Ben_Adida ←

16:26:05 <msporny> rrsagent, draft minutes

rrsagent, draft minutes ←

16:26:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-minutes.html msporny

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-rdfa-minutes.html msporny ←

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