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RDF in XHTML Task Force

Minutes of 16 April 2009

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Apr/0045.html

Present

Unknown Manu_Sporny, Unknown Ralph_Swick, Unknown Ben_Adida

Regrets

Unknown Michael_Hausenblas

Chair

Unknown Ben_Adida

Scribe

Unknown Manu_Sporny, Unknown msporny

Previous Meeting

http://www.w3.org/2009/04/02-rdfa-minutes.html

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

None.

Topics

Action Items
@prefix discussion status
Report on AC meeting
Task Force lifespan

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14:55:28 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-rdfa-irc

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14:55:49 <msporny> zakim, this will be rdfa

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14:55:49 <Zakim> ok, msporny; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

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14:55:59 <msporny> Scribe: Manu_Sporny

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14:56:06 <msporny> ScribeNick: msporny

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14:56:15 <msporny> Meeting: RDF in XHTML Task Force

14:56:23 <msporny> Chair: Ben_Adida

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14:56:33 <msporny> rrsagent, make log public

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14:56:55 <msporny> previous: http://www.w3.org/2009/04/02-rdfa-minutes.html

14:57:12 <msporny> present: Manu_Sporny, Ralph_Swick, Ben_Adida

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14:57:27 <msporny> regrets: Mark_Birbeck Michael_Hausenblas

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14:57:37 <msporny> rrsagent, draft minutes

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14:57:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html msporny

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14:58:18 <msporny> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Apr/0045.html

14:58:22 <msporny> rrsagent, draft minutes

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14:58:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html msporny

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14:59:45 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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14:59:52 <Zakim> +Ralph

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15:00:51 <msporny> ha! Sorry, didn't mean to presume, Ralph :)

ha! Sorry, didn't mean to presume, Ralph :) ←

15:00:58 <msporny> present+ Steven_Pemberton

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15:01:26 <Steven> zakim, who is here?

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Unknown Steven: zakim, who is here? ←

15:01:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ralph

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15:01:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see Steven, Zakim, RRSAgent, msporny, Ralph, markbirbeck

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15:01:38 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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15:01:41 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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15:01:45 <Zakim> +Steven

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15:01:52 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:01:58 <msporny> zakim, I am ??IPcaller

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15:01:58 <Zakim> sorry, msporny, I do not see a party named '??IPcaller'

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15:02:03 <msporny> zakim, I am +IPcaller

zakim, I am +IPcaller ←

15:02:03 <Zakim> sorry, msporny, I do not see a party named '+IPcaller'

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15:02:05 <msporny> zakim, I am IPcaller

zakim, I am IPcaller ←

15:02:05 <Zakim> ok, msporny, I now associate you with [IPcaller]

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15:05:12 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida

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15:07:32 <msporny> Topic: Action Items

1. Action Items

15:11:22 <msporny> regrets+ Shane_McCarron

regrets+ Shane_McCarron ←

15:23:17 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to put up information on "how to write RDFa" with screencast possibly and instructions on bookmarklet. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

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ACTION: Ben to put up information on "how to write RDFa" with screencast possibly and instructions on bookmarklet. [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:23:26 <msporny> -- continues

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15:23:34 <msporny> ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]

ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in ACTION-03]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-03] ←

15:23:35 <msporny> -- drop

-- drop ←

15:23:42 <msporny> ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] ←

15:23:44 <msporny> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:23:52 <msporny> ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:23:56 <msporny> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:24:02 <msporny> ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:24:05 <msporny> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:24:12 <msporny> ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←

15:24:15 <msporny> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:24:23 <msporny> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]

ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-14]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-14] ←

15:24:25 <msporny> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:24:32 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph or Steven fix the .htaccess for the XHTML namespace [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ralph or Steven fix the .htaccess for the XHTML namespace [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:24:34 <msporny> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:24:39 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←

15:24:39 <msporny>

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15:24:39 <msporny> [DONE] ACTION: Manu to look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Dec/0037.html about resolving relative URIs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

[DONE] ACTION: Manu to look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Dec/0037.html about resolving relative URIs [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←

15:24:39 <msporny> [DONE] ACTION: Mark to review reasoning on setting explicit about="" on HEAD and BODY [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/18-rdfa-irc]

[DONE] ACTION: Mark to review reasoning on setting explicit about="" on HEAD and BODY [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/18-rdfa-irc] ←

15:24:40 <msporny>

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15:24:42 <msporny> [End of minutes]

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15:24:56 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←

15:24:58 <msporny> -- continues

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15:25:03 <Zakim> -Steven

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15:25:13 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617 ←

15:25:13 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←

15:25:14 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←

15:25:57 <msporny> rrsagent, drop action 9

rrsagent, drop ACTION-9 ←

15:26:17 <msporny> rrsagent, drop action 8

rrsagent, drop ACTION-8 ←

15:26:40 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph or Steven fix the .htaccess for the XHTML namespace [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ralph or Steven fix the .htaccess for the XHTML namespace [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:26:45 <msporny> -- continues

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15:26:53 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←

15:26:55 <msporny> -- continues

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15:27:54 <msporny> Topic: @prefix discussion status

2. @prefix discussion status

15:28:16 <msporny> benadida: Wanted to have a meta-discussion on @prefix.

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Unknown benadida: Wanted to have a meta-discussion on @prefix. ←

15:30:57 <msporny> benadida: Should we hold off on the @prefix discussion?

Unknown benadida: Should we hold off on the @prefix discussion? ←

15:31:43 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←

15:32:19 <Zakim> +??P3

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15:32:27 <Ralph> zakim, ??p3 is Manu

Unknown Ralph_Swick: zakim, ??p3 is Manu ←

15:32:32 <Zakim> +Manu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Manu; got it ←

15:33:11 <msporny> Steven: AC meeting was good because we got to talk about all of the companies that were using XHTML2.

Unknown Steven: AC meeting was good because we got to talk about all of the companies that were using XHTML2. ←

15:33:54 <msporny> benadida: There seemed to be a big disconnect between WHATWG/HTML5 and the ideas and usage behind XHTML2.

Unknown benadida: There seemed to be a big disconnect between WHATWG/HTML5 and the ideas and usage behind XHTML2. ←

15:34:28 <msporny> benadida: If you are going to support extensibility in HTML5, how are you going to ignore all previous XML technologies?

Unknown benadida: If you are going to support extensibility in HTML5, how are you going to ignore all previous XML technologies? ←

15:35:23 <msporny> prefix="a=b c = d"

prefix="a=b c = d" ←

15:35:30 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/04/02-rdfa-minutes.html#item03 previous @prefix discussion

Unknown Ralph_Swick: -> http://www.w3.org/2009/04/02-rdfa-minutes.html#item03 previous @prefix discussion ←

15:35:48 <Ralph> <ShaneM> (.*)[\s\r\n]*=[\s\r\n]*(.*?)[\s\r\n]+

Unknown Ralph_Swick: <ShaneM> (.*)[\s\r\n]*=[\s\r\n]*(.*?)[\s\r\n]+ ←

15:36:04 <Ralph> ^Shane proposed that regex

Unknown Ralph_Swick: ^Shane proposed that regex ←

15:36:25 <msporny> Manu: After the discussion last week, I think we agreed on Shane's regex.

Unknown Manu_Sporny: After the discussion last week, I think we agreed on Shane's regex. ←

15:36:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph ←

15:37:09 <msporny> ACTION: Manu to update wiki page on current consensus for @prefix

ACTION: Manu to update wiki page on current consensus for @prefix ←

15:39:33 <msporny> benadida: What do you think about @xmlns over @prefix?

Unknown benadida: What do you think about @xmlns over @prefix? ←

15:39:48 <msporny> Manu: Prefer @prefix because of HTML4 and xmlns: might be confusing to web developers.

Unknown Manu_Sporny: Prefer @prefix because of HTML4 and xmlns: might be confusing to web developers. ←

15:40:33 <msporny> Ralph: Might be interesting to see how HTML4->HTML5 conversion process works.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: Might be interesting to see how HTML4->HTML5 conversion process works. ←

15:43:50 <msporny> Ralph: The SVG folks have the same issues with xmlns not being in HTML5.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: The SVG folks have the same issues with xmlns not being in HTML5. ←

15:44:08 <msporny> benadida: So this issue is much bigger than RDFa.

Unknown benadida: So this issue is much bigger than RDFa. ←

15:44:26 <msporny> Ralph: Yes, it has to do with general extensibility.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: Yes, it has to do with general extensibility. ←

15:44:57 <msporny> benadida: @prefix wiki page should say it is an alternate prefix mapping mechanism.

Unknown benadida: @prefix wiki page should say it is an alternate prefix mapping mechanism. ←

15:45:54 <msporny> Ralph: There is a danger in confusing authors by having two mechanisms to do the same thing.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: There is a danger in confusing authors by having two mechanisms to do the same thing. ←

15:46:17 <msporny> benadida: So if we have a syntax, we can back-burner it and see what happens with the xmlns discussion.

Unknown benadida: So if we have a syntax, we can back-burner it and see what happens with the xmlns discussion. ←

15:46:33 <msporny> Topic: Report on AC meeting

3. Report on AC meeting

15:46:42 <msporny> benadida: Kinda talked a bit about this already.

Unknown benadida: Kinda talked a bit about this already. ←

15:46:50 <msporny> Ralph: Yes, interested in hearing your take on it.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: Yes, interested in hearing your take on it. ←

15:47:41 <msporny> benadida: Very positive meeting in tone and approach, Sam Ruby is a good guy.

Unknown benadida: Very positive meeting in tone and approach, Sam Ruby is a good guy. ←

16:06:22 <msporny> Topic: Task Force lifespan

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4. Task Force lifespan

16:06:29 <msporny> benadida: How much time does the task force have?

Unknown benadida: How much time does the task force have? ←

16:06:41 <msporny> Ralph: The end of June is the charter.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: The end of June is the charter. ←

16:06:52 <msporny> Steven: XHTML2 charter is up in December 2009.

Unknown Steven: XHTML2 charter is up in December 2009. ←

16:07:17 <msporny> Ralph: It could be June-December, depending on who continues to sponsor RDFa Task Force.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: It could be June-December, depending on who continues to sponsor RDFa Task Force. ←

16:07:31 <msporny> Ralph: I think we should consider June the adjournment date.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: I think we should consider June the adjournment date. ←

16:07:56 <msporny> Ralph: We could turn the mailing list into an RDFa interest group, maybe fold it back into semantic web interest group.

Unknown Ralph_Swick: We could turn the mailing list into an RDFa interest group, maybe fold it back into semantic web interest group. ←

16:08:12 <msporny> benadida: We should think about any last things we should think about as a task force.

Unknown benadida: We should think about any last things we should think about as a task force. ←

16:10:02 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

16:10:05 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ben_Adida ←

16:11:14 <Zakim> -Ralph

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ralph ←

16:11:15 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended ←

16:11:16 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, Steven, [IPcaller], Ben_Adida, Manu

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Ralph, Steven, [IPcaller], Ben_Adida, Manu ←

16:11:24 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes

Unknown Ralph_Swick: rrsagent, please draft minutes ←

16:11:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph ←

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