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14:47:34 <ShaneM> FWIW I am at the XHTML 2 WG meeting now and it might be challenging to attend this meeting too
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Unknown ShaneM: FWIW I am at the XHTML 2 WG meeting now and it might be challenging to attend this meeting too ←
14:47:39 <msporny> Meeting: RDF in XHTML Task Force
14:48:03 <msporny> Chair: Ben Adida
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14:48:39 <msporny> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jun/0110.html
14:49:01 <msporny> previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-rdfa-minutes
14:50:54 <Steven> I am unable to attend too
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14:51:20 <msporny> Regrets: Steven Pemberton, Shane McCarron
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14:55:28 <msporny> grr
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14:58:33 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P11
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14:58:33 <Zakim> +msporny; got it
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15:00:47 <msporny> Present: Ralph Swick, Manu Sporny
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15:02:15 <ShaneM> is ben not going to attend today?
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Unknown ShaneM: is ben not going to attend today? ←
15:03:21 <ShaneM> I am trying to wrap xhtml 2 call
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Unknown ShaneM: I am trying to wrap xhtml 2 call ←
15:03:53 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
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15:04:30 <msporny> Regrets +Mark_Birbeck
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15:04:46 <msporny> Regrets+ Mark_Birbeck
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15:05:00 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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15:05:06 <msporny> Present+ Shane McCarron
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Present+ Shane McCarron ←
15:05:13 <msporny> Present+ Ben Adida
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15:14:55 <msporny> Topic: TimBL's comments
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15:15:23 <Ralph> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/CR-rdfa-syntax-20080620/#docconf
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Unknown Ralph: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/CR-rdfa-syntax-20080620/#docconf ←
15:15:36 <msporny> Ralph: There are two remaining technical points that need to be clarified.
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Unknown Ralph: There are two remaining technical points that need to be clarified. ←
15:15:49 <msporny> Ralph: The document type and extra triples that are generated.
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Unknown Ralph: The document type and extra triples that are generated. ←
15:16:12 <msporny> Ralph: regarding document conformance, the concern is around SHOULDs for the DOCTYPE and @profile.
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Unknown Ralph: regarding document conformance, the concern is around SHOULDs for the DOCTYPE and @profile. ←
15:16:56 <msporny> Ralph: My proposal after the conversation with Tim is to put the reference to DOCTYPE and @profile into a non-normative appendix
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Unknown Ralph: My proposal after the conversation with Tim is to put the reference to DOCTYPE and @profile into a non-normative appendix ←
15:17:26 <msporny> Ralph: The reasoning is that these are both for the convenience of implementations that need these facilities. They are not required for the document to assert it has triples.
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Unknown Ralph: The reasoning is that these are both for the convenience of implementations that need these facilities. They are not required for the document to assert it has triples. ←
15:17:49 <msporny> Ralph: Neither DOCTYPE nor @profile are essential for asserting triples.
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Unknown Ralph: Neither DOCTYPE nor @profile are essential for asserting triples. ←
15:17:54 <msporny> Ben: What about @version
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Unknown Ben: What about @version ←
15:18:04 <msporny> Ralph: Tim has not expressed worry about @version.
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Unknown Ralph: Tim has not expressed worry about @version. ←
15:18:15 <msporny> Ben: We should make this consistent, so we should include @version.
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Unknown Ben: We should make this consistent, so we should include @version. ←
15:18:23 <msporny> Ralph: Good point, we should include it in the appendix.
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Unknown Ralph: Good point, we should include it in the appendix. ←
15:19:18 <msporny> Shane: I though this was about SHOULD/MUST for detection of triples.
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Unknown Shane: I though this was about SHOULD/MUST for detection of triples. ←
15:20:10 <msporny> Ralph: Not really, each of the three was meant to assert whether or not the document asserts the triples.
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Unknown Ralph: Not really, each of the three was meant to assert whether or not the document asserts the triples. ←
15:21:36 <Ralph> Ben: we all agree that triples are kicked off via the namespace document
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Unknown Ben: we all agree that triples are kicked off via the namespace document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
15:21:48 <msporny> Shane: The constraints from XHTML modularization have nothing to do with triple generation.
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Unknown Shane: The constraints from XHTML modularization have nothing to do with triple generation. ←
15:21:58 <msporny> Shane: They have to do with the announcement of the type of document that is being delivered.
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Unknown Shane: They have to do with the announcement of the type of document that is being delivered. ←
15:22:25 <msporny> Shane: We always provide a way for document authors to specify the type of document they're delivering.
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Unknown Shane: We always provide a way for document authors to specify the type of document they're delivering. ←
15:22:56 <msporny> Ralph: The GRDDL spec is clear that either @profile or namespace document is sufficient. We're doing the namespace document, so we're covered there.
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Unknown Ralph: The GRDDL spec is clear that either @profile or namespace document is sufficient. We're doing the namespace document, so we're covered there. ←
15:23:46 <msporny> Ben: I thought we were always clear about changing the definition of XHTML with modularization.
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Unknown Ben: I thought we were always clear about changing the definition of XHTML with modularization. ←
15:24:15 <msporny> Ben: So we're moving to an appendix or changing to MAY.
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Unknown Ben: So we're moving to an appendix or changing to MAY. ←
15:24:22 <msporny> Ben: Isn't that change substantive.
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Unknown Ben: Isn't that change substantive. ←
15:25:15 <msporny> Ralph: There's another way to look at it... we need to consult with XHTML 2 WG.
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Unknown Ralph: There's another way to look at it... we need to consult with XHTML 2 WG. ←
15:25:29 <msporny> Ralph: The spec currently says SHOULD, and what we're being told is that SHOULD is confusing.
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Unknown Ralph: The spec currently says SHOULD, and what we're being told is that SHOULD is confusing. ←
15:26:08 <msporny> Ralph: SHOULD means that implementations should complain if documents don't have this, but we're not attempting to be that strong.
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Unknown Ralph: SHOULD means that implementations should complain if documents don't have this, but we're not attempting to be that strong. ←
15:26:53 <msporny> Ralph: It's not clear what the triple protocol is with these three SHOULDs.
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Unknown Ralph: It's not clear what the triple protocol is with these three SHOULDs. ←
15:27:05 <msporny> Ralph: It's a different kind of IETF SHOULD...
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Unknown Ralph: It's a different kind of IETF SHOULD... ←
15:27:55 <msporny> Shane: It is possible that XHTML2 WG is using the term SHOULD in a way that other groups use it... and if that's the case we should change it.
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Unknown Shane: It is possible that XHTML2 WG is using the term SHOULD in a way that other groups use it... and if that's the case we should change it. ←
15:28:12 <msporny> Shane: We don't think that SHOULD means "agents should complain". If that's the case, we should be saying "MAY".
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Unknown Shane: We don't think that SHOULD means "agents should complain". If that's the case, we should be saying "MAY". ←
15:28:49 <msporny> Shane: Usually MAY is an optional behavior, and is a warning to implementers to not depend on the behavior.
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Unknown Shane: Usually MAY is an optional behavior, and is a warning to implementers to not depend on the behavior. ←
15:29:22 <msporny> Shane: We now have @version - it would be nice to say MUST include @version.
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Unknown Shane: We now have @version - it would be nice to say MUST include @version. ←
15:31:50 <msporny> Shane: We are attempting to do 2 things with this.
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Unknown Shane: We are attempting to do 2 things with this. ←
15:32:08 <msporny> Shane: Define a document type and define a method to detect that triples could be extracted from the document.
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Unknown Shane: Define a document type and define a method to detect that triples could be extracted from the document. ←
15:32:27 <msporny> Ralph: The definition of the markup language is done through the namespace URL.
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Unknown Ralph: The definition of the markup language is done through the namespace URL. ←
15:37:49 <msporny> Manu: So we have DOCTYPE and then we have @version and we have @profile.
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Unknown Manu: So we have DOCTYPE and then we have @version and we have @profile. ←
15:38:07 <msporny> Manu: In the future, it seems like people want to get rid of DOCTYPE. So isn't @version going to be necessary in the future?
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Unknown Manu: In the future, it seems like people want to get rid of DOCTYPE. So isn't @version going to be necessary in the future? ←
15:38:22 <msporny> Shane: AFAIK, yes.
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Unknown Shane: AFAIK, yes. ←
15:39:19 <msporny> Ralph: If somebody creates a schema that produces different triples, we would be uncomfortable with that. You must state the @version if you want to be clear.
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Unknown Ralph: If somebody creates a schema that produces different triples, we would be uncomfortable with that. You must state the @version if you want to be clear. ←
15:39:52 <msporny> Ben: Is there going to be a way to follow your nose using a combination of the default namespace and @version.
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Unknown Ben: Is there going to be a way to follow your nose using a combination of the default namespace and @version. ←
15:40:20 <msporny> Ralph: If the namespace document identified triples that mapped to the @version, then you could follow your nose.
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Unknown Ralph: If the namespace document identified triples that mapped to the @version, then you could follow your nose. ←
15:41:11 <msporny> Shane: We need to figure out the mapping, that's all.
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Unknown Shane: We need to figure out the mapping, that's all. ←
15:41:40 <msporny> Shane: So we could support follow your nose with this approach.
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Unknown Shane: So we could support follow your nose with this approach. ←
15:41:55 <msporny> Ben: So DOCTYPE and @profile are not necessary, but @version could be.
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Unknown Ben: So DOCTYPE and @profile are not necessary, but @version could be. ←
15:42:38 <msporny> Ralph: If we say that @version is a MUST, then we might be suggesting that the XHTML1 triples were always there.
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Unknown Ralph: If we say that @version is a MUST, then we might be suggesting that the XHTML1 triples were always there. ←
15:43:07 <msporny> Ben: No @version should be a SHOULD, and the XHTML1 triples have always been there.
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Unknown Ben: No @version should be a SHOULD, and the XHTML1 triples have always been there. ←
15:43:34 <msporny> Shane: There is a difference between stating the document type and stating that there are triples in the document.
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Unknown Shane: There is a difference between stating the document type and stating that there are triples in the document. ←
15:43:55 <msporny> Ben: Let's take the existing document into consideration.
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Unknown Ben: Let's take the existing document into consideration. ←
15:44:42 <msporny> Ben: We now have a consistent internal story, what do we need to do to the current document.
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Unknown Ben: We now have a consistent internal story, what do we need to do to the current document. ←
15:45:06 <msporny> Ben: If the namespace document contains a GRDDL @profile, the document does not.
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Unknown Ben: If the namespace document contains a GRDDL @profile, the document does not. ←
15:45:32 <msporny> Shane: GRDDL states that you should use @profile in XHTML documents.
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Unknown Shane: GRDDL states that you should use @profile in XHTML documents. ←
15:45:48 <msporny> Ben: No, don't think that's the case.
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Unknown Ben: No, don't think that's the case. ←
15:46:14 <msporny> Ben: GRDDL makes most sense at the namespace level, not the instance level.
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Unknown Ben: GRDDL makes most sense at the namespace level, not the instance level. ←
15:47:10 <msporny> Shane: TimBL wants the @profile to be in a non-normative appendix.
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Unknown Shane: TimBL wants the @profile to be in a non-normative appendix. ←
15:47:15 <msporny> Ralph: He wants us to be clear.
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Unknown Ralph: He wants us to be clear. ←
15:47:34 <msporny> Shane: We've agreed to change the namespace document.
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Unknown Shane: We've agreed to change the namespace document. ←
15:48:01 <msporny> Shane: Let's remove @profile.
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Unknown Shane: Let's remove @profile. ←
15:48:13 <msporny> Ralph: Don't think that would be a good move.
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Unknown Ralph: Don't think that would be a good move. ←
15:49:01 <msporny> Ralph: We had that in there mostly for broken GRDDL implementations.
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Unknown Ralph: We had that in there mostly for broken GRDDL implementations. ←
15:49:38 <msporny> Ralph: So the solution to the deployment issue is to add an non-normative appendix.
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Unknown Ralph: So the solution to the deployment issue is to add an non-normative appendix. ←
15:50:12 <msporny> Ralph: About the procedural concern about this being substantiative, we can mark it as a feature at risk.
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Unknown Ralph: About the procedural concern about this being substantiative, we can mark it as a feature at risk. ←
15:50:22 <msporny> Ralph: Informative appendix H is at risk - we could say.
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Unknown Ralph: Informative appendix H is at risk - we could say. ←
15:51:03 <msporny> Ben: This is editorial because if you build an implementation of RDFa, it will still work after this change is in there.
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Unknown Ben: This is editorial because if you build an implementation of RDFa, it will still work after this change is in there. ←
15:51:42 <msporny> Ralph: We have 3 items that are SHOULD and none of them are necessary to find triples.
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Unknown Ralph: We have 3 items that are SHOULD and none of them are necessary to find triples. ←
15:53:34 <msporny> Shane: We have an appendix now that defines the DTD and is normative.
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Unknown Shane: We have an appendix now that defines the DTD and is normative. ←
15:53:52 <msporny> Shane: That appendix defines the system identifer for DTDs.
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Unknown Shane: That appendix defines the system identifer for DTDs. ←
15:54:24 <msporny> Shane: The SHOULD about the DTD should be removed to an appendix. We already say that you SHOULD use DOCTYPE.
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Unknown Shane: The SHOULD about the DTD should be removed to an appendix. We already say that you SHOULD use DOCTYPE. ←
15:55:02 <msporny> Ralph: The appendix says here is the normative system identifier if you want to use it.
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Unknown Ralph: The appendix says here is the normative system identifier if you want to use it. ←
15:55:33 <msporny> Ralph: We could leave it implicit that the way you use it is to put DOCTYPE in there.
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Unknown Ralph: We could leave it implicit that the way you use it is to put DOCTYPE in there. ←
15:55:39 <msporny> Ralph: No need to write anything more informative.
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Unknown Ralph: No need to write anything more informative. ←
15:55:48 <msporny> Ben: Why not do it for clarity's sake.
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Unknown Ben: Why not do it for clarity's sake. ←
15:56:07 <msporny> Shane: We need this appendix.
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Unknown Shane: We need this appendix. ←
15:56:12 <msporny> Shane: for validation.
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Unknown Shane: for validation. ←
15:56:35 <Ralph> PROPOSE: move the two items "SHOULD be a DOCTYPE" and "SHOULD be a @profile" from Section 4.1 to a new Informational Appendix "Deployment Advice"
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Unknown PROPOSE: move the two items "SHOULD be a DOCTYPE" and "SHOULD be a @profile" from Section 4.1 to a new Informational Appendix "Deployment Advice" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
15:56:36 <msporny> Ben: So it sounds like we have an appendix that has current deployment advice. Use DOCTYPE and @profile if you want.
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Unknown Ben: So it sounds like we have an appendix that has current deployment advice. Use DOCTYPE and @profile if you want. ←
15:57:34 <benadida> +1
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Unknown benadida: +1 ←
15:57:43 <msporny> +1
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+1 ←
15:58:17 <msporny> Shane: We should insert the appendix before the references.
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Unknown Shane: We should insert the appendix before the references. ←
15:58:20 <msporny> Ralph: Sure
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Unknown Ralph: Sure ←
15:58:21 <msporny> Ben: Sure.
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Unknown Ben: Sure. ←
15:59:23 <msporny> RESOLVED: move the two items "SHOULD be a DOCTYPE" and "SHOULD be a @profile" from Section 4.1 to a new Informational Appendix "Deployment Advice"
RESOLVED: move the two items "SHOULD be a DOCTYPE" and "SHOULD be a @profile" from Section 4.1 to a new Informational Appendix "Deployment Advice" ←
15:59:42 <msporny> Ben: I'll chat with Mark and Steven about this to make sure they're okay with this.
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Unknown Ben: I'll chat with Mark and Steven about this to make sure they're okay with this. ←
16:00:05 <msporny> Ralph: We'll probably need some documentation from XHTML2.
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Unknown Ralph: We'll probably need some documentation from XHTML2. ←
16:00:11 <msporny> Ben: We agree that this is an editorial change.
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Unknown Ben: We agree that this is an editorial change. ←
16:00:30 <msporny> Ben: We don't need a formal vote on this.
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Unknown Ben: We don't need a formal vote on this. ←
16:00:55 <msporny> Topic: Default Graph Language per TimBL's comment.
16:01:10 <msporny> Ben: I thought TimBL was comfortable with this in his response.
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Unknown Ben: I thought TimBL was comfortable with this in his response. ←
16:01:12 <Ralph> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/CR-rdfa-syntax-20080620/#processorconf
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Unknown Ralph: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/CR-rdfa-syntax-20080620/#processorconf ←
16:01:41 <msporny> Ralph: The [default graph] language is fuzzy to TimBL.
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Unknown Ralph: The [default graph] language is fuzzy to TimBL. ←
16:03:09 <msporny> Ben: It seems he's questioning what [default graph] means.
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Unknown Ben: It seems he's questioning what [default graph] means. ←
16:03:29 <msporny> Ralph: There is no W3C recommendation that sufficiently defines [default graph]
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Unknown Ralph: There is no W3C recommendation that sufficiently defines [default graph] ←
16:03:39 <msporny> Ralph: What we mean in this case is that the document has asserted these triples.
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Unknown Ralph: What we mean in this case is that the document has asserted these triples. ←
16:04:04 <msporny> Ralph: Any other triples that the processor might choose to find, in this version of the spec, the document has not asserted.
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Unknown Ralph: Any other triples that the processor might choose to find, in this version of the spec, the document has not asserted. ←
16:04:21 <msporny> Ralph: No W3C spec has described this.
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Unknown Ralph: No W3C spec has described this. ←
16:04:28 <msporny> Ben: Can we add 3 lines to define it.
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Unknown Ben: Can we add 3 lines to define it. ←
16:04:36 <msporny> Ralph: We should use different language
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Unknown Ralph: We should use different language ←
16:05:03 <msporny> Ben: We went through this several times, so changing the language might not work well for everybody.
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Unknown Ben: We went through this several times, so changing the language might not work well for everybody. ←
16:05:33 <msporny> Ben: We've stuck with [default graph] for a number of reasons.
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Unknown Ben: We've stuck with [default graph] for a number of reasons. ←
16:05:45 <msporny> Ralph: I know we've talked about this several times.
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Unknown Ralph: I know we've talked about this several times. ←
16:05:49 <msporny> Ben: Can't we just define this.
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Unknown Ben: Can't we just define this. ←
16:06:17 <msporny> Shane: We do, it says it right at the top of this section: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/CR-rdfa-syntax-20080620/#processorconf
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Unknown Shane: We do, it says it right at the top of this section: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/CR-rdfa-syntax-20080620/#processorconf ←
16:06:43 <msporny> Ralph: We don't say that the [default graph] holds the triples that are asserted by this document.
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Unknown Ralph: We don't say that the [default graph] holds the triples that are asserted by this document. ←
16:07:03 <msporny> Shane: A conforming RDFa Processor MUST make available to a consuming application a single [RDF graph] containing all possible triples generated by using the rules in the Processing Model section. This is called the [default graph].
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Unknown Shane: A conforming RDFa Processor MUST make available to a consuming application a single [RDF graph] containing all possible triples generated by using the rules in the Processing Model section. This is called the [default graph]. ←
16:07:16 <Ralph> PROPOSE: add "The [default graph] is the graph of triples that are asserted by the document according to this specification."
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Unknown PROPOSE: add "The [default graph] is the graph of triples that are asserted by the document according to this specification." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:08:00 <msporny> Ralph: We are saying that the document asserts a certain set of triples, we are not saying that they do not assert any other triples.
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Unknown Ralph: We are saying that the document asserts a certain set of triples, we are not saying that they do not assert any other triples. ←
16:08:08 <msporny> Ben: I'd be happy with what you've proposed.
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Unknown Ben: I'd be happy with what you've proposed. ←
16:08:15 <msporny> +1
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+1 ←
16:09:24 <msporny> Shane: "For the avoidance of doubt, tThe [default graph] is the graph of triples that are asserted by the document according to this specification."
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Unknown Shane: "For the avoidance of doubt, tThe [default graph] is the graph of triples that are asserted by the document according to this specification." ←
16:10:16 <Ralph> PROPOSE: add "The RDF semantics of the document include the triples that are in the [default graph]."
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Unknown PROPOSE: add "The RDF semantics of the document include the triples that are in the [default graph]." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:14:12 <Ralph> PROPOSE: add "This specification uses the term [default graph] to mean the graph of triples that are asserted by the document."
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Unknown PROPOSE: add "This specification uses the term [default graph] to mean the graph of triples that are asserted by the document." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:14:13 <ShaneM> For the avoidance of doubt, the default graph contains all of the triples
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Unknown ShaneM: For the avoidance of doubt, the default graph contains all of the triples ←
16:14:13 <ShaneM> asserted by a document according to the processing model.
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Unknown ShaneM: asserted by a document according to the processing model. ←
16:15:28 <msporny> Ben: When we say [default graph] we don't mean all triples asserted by all languages. We mean ONLY the triples generated by the RDFa specification.
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Unknown Ben: When we say [default graph] we don't mean all triples asserted by all languages. We mean ONLY the triples generated by the RDFa specification. ←
16:15:48 <msporny> Ralph: We are saying that document authors that use the processing model that we have described here are asserting triples.
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Unknown Ralph: We are saying that document authors that use the processing model that we have described here are asserting triples. ←
16:15:58 <msporny> Ben: You're trying to say something stronger?
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Unknown Ben: You're trying to say something stronger? ←
16:16:24 <msporny> Ben: We shouldn't allow this specification to allow OTHER triples defined in other documents to be placed into the [default graph]
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Unknown Ben: We shouldn't allow this specification to allow OTHER triples defined in other documents to be placed into the [default graph] ←
16:17:06 <benadida> he [default graph] is the graph of triples that, according to this specification, are asserted by the document.
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Unknown benadida: he [default graph] is the graph of triples that, according to this specification, are asserted by the document. ←
16:18:11 <ShaneM> PROPOSE: This specification uses the term <tref>default graph</tref> to mean all of the triples asserted by a document according to the <a href="#s_model">Processing Model</a> section.
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Unknown PROPOSE: This specification uses the term <tref>default graph</tref> to mean all of the triples asserted by a document according to the <a href="#s_model">Processing Model</a> section. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown ShaneM ] ←
16:20:15 <ShaneM> PROPOSE:
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Unknown PROPOSE: [ Scribe Assist by Unknown ShaneM ] ←
16:20:15 <ShaneM> <p><must>A conforming RDFa Processor MUST make available to a consuming application
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Unknown ShaneM: <p><must>A conforming RDFa Processor MUST make available to a consuming application ←
16:20:15 <ShaneM> a single <tref>RDF graph</tref> containing all possible triples generated by
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Unknown ShaneM: a single <tref>RDF graph</tref> containing all possible triples generated by ←
16:20:15 <ShaneM> using the rules in the <a href="#s_model">Processing Model</a> section. This is called
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Unknown ShaneM: using the rules in the <a href="#s_model">Processing Model</a> section. This is called ←
16:20:15 <ShaneM> the <tdef>default graph</tdef>, and only contains the triples asserted by a document that are within this single RDF graph.</p>
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Unknown ShaneM: the <tdef>default graph</tdef>, and only contains the triples asserted by a document that are within this single RDF graph.</p> ←
16:21:51 <ShaneM> PROPOSE:
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Unknown PROPOSE: [ Scribe Assist by Unknown ShaneM ] ←
16:21:51 <ShaneM> <p><must>A conforming RDFa Processor MUST make available to a consuming application
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Unknown ShaneM: <p><must>A conforming RDFa Processor MUST make available to a consuming application ←
16:21:51 <ShaneM> a single <tref>RDF graph</tref> containing all possible triples generated by
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Unknown ShaneM: a single <tref>RDF graph</tref> containing all possible triples generated by ←
16:21:51 <ShaneM> using the rules in the <a href="#s_model">Processing Model</a> section.</must>
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Unknown ShaneM: using the rules in the <a href="#s_model">Processing Model</a> section.</must> ←
16:21:51 <ShaneM> This specification uses the term
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Unknown ShaneM: This specification uses the term ←
16:21:52 <ShaneM> <tdef>default graph</tdef> to mean all of the triples asserted by a document according to the <a href="#s_model">Processing Model</a> section.</p>
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Unknown ShaneM: <tdef>default graph</tdef> to mean all of the triples asserted by a document according to the <a href="#s_model">Processing Model</a> section.</p> ←
16:22:16 <msporny> Replace sentence "This is called the [default graph]" with "This specification uses the term <tref>default graph</tref> to mean all of the triples asserted by a document according to the <a href="#s_model">Processing Model</a> section."
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Replace sentence "This is called the [default graph]" with "This specification uses the term <tref>default graph</tref> to mean all of the triples asserted by a document according to the <a href="#s_model">Processing Model</a> section." ←
16:22:34 <msporny> +1
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+1 ←
16:22:38 <Ralph> +1
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Unknown Ralph: +1 ←
16:22:43 <msporny> RESOLVED: Replace sentence "This is called the [default graph]" with "This specification uses the term <tref>default graph</tref> to mean all of the triples asserted by a document according to the <a href="#s_model">Processing Model</a> section."
RESOLVED: Replace sentence "This is called the [default graph]" with "This specification uses the term <tref>default graph</tref> to mean all of the triples asserted by a document according to the <a href="#s_model">Processing Model</a> section." ←
16:23:31 <benadida> +1
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Unknown benadida: +1 ←
16:24:21 <ShaneM> +1
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Unknown ShaneM: +1 ←
16:24:32 <ShaneM> W.r.t. the new appendix C....
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Unknown ShaneM: W.r.t. the new appendix C.... ←
16:24:33 <ShaneM> <sec-start "3" "a_deployment" "Deployment Advice" "" "">
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Unknown ShaneM: <sec-start "3" "a_deployment" "Deployment Advice" "" ""> ←
16:24:33 <ShaneM> <p><i>This section is informative.</i></p>
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Unknown ShaneM: <p><i>This section is informative.</i></p> ←
16:24:33 <ShaneM> <p>Documents written using the markup language defined in
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Unknown ShaneM: <p>Documents written using the markup language defined in ←
16:24:33 <ShaneM> this specification can be validated using the
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Unknown ShaneM: this specification can be validated using the ←
16:24:33 <ShaneM> DTD defined in <a href="#a_xhtmlrdfa_dtd">Appendix A</a>. If a document author wants
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Unknown ShaneM: DTD defined in <a href="#a_xhtmlrdfa_dtd">Appendix A</a>. If a document author wants ←
16:24:35 <ShaneM> to faciliate such validation, they may include the following
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Unknown ShaneM: to faciliate such validation, they may include the following ←
16:24:37 <ShaneM> declaration at the top of their document:</p>
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Unknown ShaneM: declaration at the top of their document:</p> ←
16:24:39 <ShaneM>
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Unknown ShaneM: ←
16:24:41 <ShaneM> <p>Authors who want to be certain their documents are
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Unknown ShaneM: <p>Authors who want to be certain their documents are ←
16:24:43 <ShaneM> transformable by <nref>GRDDL</nref> processors could
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Unknown ShaneM: transformable by <nref>GRDDL</nref> processors could ←
16:24:45 <ShaneM> use the <code>profile</code> attribute as permitted by
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Unknown ShaneM: use the <code>profile</code> attribute as permitted by ←
16:24:47 <ShaneM> the GRDDL Recommendation in the following way:</p>
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Unknown ShaneM: the GRDDL Recommendation in the following way:</p> ←
16:27:23 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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16:27:45 <Zakim> -Ralph
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16:27:46 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
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16:27:46 <Zakim> -msporny
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16:27:48 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
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16:27:49 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, msporny, Ben_Adida, ShaneM
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16:28:49 <msporny> rrsagent, draft minutes
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rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:28:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-rdfa-minutes.html msporny
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16:41:48 <ShaneM> okay - updated editos draft is up at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080619/
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Unknown ShaneM: okay - updated editos draft is up at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080619/ ←
19:19:54 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, bye ←
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