Meeting Record

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RDF-in-XHTML Task Force

Minutes of 29 May 2008

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0211.html

Seen

Unknown Ralph, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown Steven, Unknown markbirbeck, Unknown msporny

Regrets

Unknown Michael

Chair

Unknown Manu

Scribe

Unknown ralph

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

test 105 accepted, with change to check for absence of myfoobarrel triple link
test 106 accepted, with change to check for absence of triples containing manu.html as either subject or object link
Add valid cases of XML Literals as requested by implementers to TC 100-103 and add comments to tell other implementors that the tests may fail due to XML Literal issues. link
Resolve ISSUE-120 having made a minor change to the Syntax Document specifying that the presence of a @rel is sufficient to complete an incomplete triple. link
ISSUE-103 closed, CURIEs are not URI schemes, they are a macro expansion mechanism. No need to change the Syntax document. CURIEs are also QName-like, allowing legacy languages to migrate forward cleanly. link

Topics

Response to TAG
Test Cases
handling of literals in test harness
ISSUE-120
ISSUE-103
CR Transition Scheduling

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14:57:13 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public

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14:57:21 <Ralph> zakim, this will be rdfa

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14:57:21 <Zakim> ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

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14:57:29 <Ralph> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force

14:58:08 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0211.html

14:59:05 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-05-15

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14:59:48 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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14:59:55 <Zakim> +??P14

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15:00:01 <ShaneM> zakim, p14 is ShaneM_

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15:00:04 <Zakim> sorry, ShaneM, I do not recognize a party named 'p14'

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15:00:12 <ShaneM> Zakim, ??P14 is ShaneM

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15:00:12 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it

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15:00:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:00:35 <msporny> zakim, I am ?[IPcaller]

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15:00:35 <Zakim> sorry, msporny, I do not see a party named '?[IPcaller]'

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15:00:39 <Zakim> +Ralph

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15:01:03 <msporny> zakim, I am [IPcaller]

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15:01:03 <Zakim> ok, msporny, I now associate you with [IPcaller]

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15:01:40 <Ralph> Chair: Manu

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15:01:43 <Ralph> Regrets: Michael

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15:01:52 <Steven> doh. I was in the wrong channel all afternoon!

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Unknown Steven: doh. I was in the wrong channel all afternoon! ←

15:01:57 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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15:01:57 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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15:01:59 <Zakim> +Steven

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15:02:45 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

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15:02:45 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

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15:03:27 <Zakim> + +0208761aaaa

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15:03:34 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aaaa

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15:03:34 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it

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15:08:16 <Ralph> scribenick: ralph

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15:08:24 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:08:26 <Ralph> -- continues

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15:08:34 <Ralph> ACTION: Manu to reach out to Slashdot and attempt to get RDFa integrated into Slashdot. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]

ACTION: Manu to reach out to Slashdot and attempt to get RDFa integrated into Slashdot. [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-10] ←

15:08:36 <Ralph> -- continues

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15:09:55 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Mark to move _:a bnode notation to normative section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]

Unknown Ralph: [DONE] ACTION: Mark to move _:a bnode notation to normative section [recorded in ACTION-05]">http://www.w3.org/2008/04/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-05] ←

15:10:09 <Ralph> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:10:12 <Ralph> -- continues

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15:10:26 <Ralph> ACTION: Michael to determine which useless-triples test cases to remove and which to add. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Michael to determine which useless-triples test cases to remove and which to add. [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:10:28 <Ralph> -- continues

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15:10:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

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15:11:04 <Ralph> Topic: Response to TAG

1. Response to TAG

15:11:31 <Ralph> Steven: I don't really understand DanC's point

Unknown Steven: I don't really understand DanC's point [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:12:00 <Ralph> Mark: the idea of "Follow your nose" seems to mean "let's leave HTML and XHTML untouched but add something else"

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Unknown Mark: the idea of "Follow your nose" seems to mean "let's leave HTML and XHTML untouched but add something else" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:12:11 <Ralph> ... but we _are_ changing XHTML1

Unknown Ralph: ... but we _are_ changing XHTML1 ←

15:12:21 <Ralph> ... reading the TAG minutes I get the impression that Tim is open to this

Unknown Ralph: ... reading the TAG minutes I get the impression that Tim is open to this ←

15:13:10 <Ralph> ... others seem to worry about folks who may accidentally use our new attributes without intending to do so

Unknown Ralph: ... others seem to worry about folks who may accidentally use our new attributes without intending to do so ←

15:13:35 <Ralph> ... we should take a stand that these new attributes should be used only for the purpose of generating triples

Unknown Ralph: ... we should take a stand that these new attributes should be used only for the purpose of generating triples ←

15:13:51 <Ralph> Steven: and furthermore, doing this does not change the meaning of any existing HTML page

Unknown Steven: and furthermore, doing this does not change the meaning of any existing HTML page [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:14:00 <Ralph> ... it just formalizes what the page really means

Unknown Ralph: ... it just formalizes what the page really means ←

15:14:10 <Ralph> Manu: is there a concern about the HTML5 series?

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Unknown Manu: is there a concern about the HTML5 series? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:14:27 <Ralph> ... at one point they said that while this may be good for XHTML, @profile does not exist for HTML5

Unknown Ralph: ... at one point they said that while this may be good for XHTML, @profile does not exist for HTML5 ←

15:14:33 <Ralph> Shane: that's not our problem

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Unknown Shane: that's not our problem [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:14:39 <Ralph> Ralph: I agree with Shane

Unknown Ralph: I agree with Shane [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:14:54 <Steven> +1

Unknown Steven: +1 ←

15:15:02 <Ralph> Shane: I had an off-line discussion with NoahM and perhaps someone else

Unknown Shane: I had an off-line discussion with NoahM and perhaps someone else [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:15:23 <Ralph> ... Tim definitely concurred with adding this to core XHTML1

Unknown Ralph: ... Tim definitely concurred with adding this to core XHTML1 ←

15:15:34 <Ralph> ... and proposed annotating the namespace document to say this

Unknown Ralph: ... and proposed annotating the namespace document to say this ←

15:15:55 <Ralph> ... some were concerned that this means every XHTML document currently on the Web then should generate triples

Unknown Ralph: ... some were concerned that this means every XHTML document currently on the Web then should generate triples ←

15:16:12 <Ralph> ... there was a suggestion that there be an announcement mechanism that tells parsers they _should_ generate triples

Unknown Ralph: ... there was a suggestion that there be an announcement mechanism that tells parsers they _should_ generate triples ←

15:17:34 <Ralph> Ralph: why isn't this a problem for the consumer of the document rather than the author of the document?

Unknown Ralph: why isn't this a problem for the consumer of the document rather than the author of the document? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:17:49 <Ralph> ... I agree with Steven's comment that XHTML always has _meant_ this

Unknown Ralph: ... I agree with Steven's comment that XHTML always has _meant_ this ←

15:18:08 <Ralph> ... so the author shouldn't be telling the client whether it should or shouldn't generate triples

Unknown Ralph: ... so the author shouldn't be telling the client whether it should or shouldn't generate triples ←

15:18:12 <Ralph> ... the client decides that

Unknown Ralph: ... the client decides that ←

15:18:24 <Ralph> Manu: running fuzbot for a while, it seems every page does generate triples

Unknown Manu: running fuzbot for a while, it seems every page does generate triples [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:18:53 <Ralph> Shane: so fine, and we should update the media type spec to say that we now generate triples

Unknown Shane: so fine, and we should update the media type spec to say that we now generate triples [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:19:01 <Ralph> ... this will make it clear that this is a big step

Unknown Ralph: ... this will make it clear that this is a big step ←

15:19:12 <markbirbeck> My argument for not requiring @profile or DTDs:

Unknown markbirbeck: My argument for not requiring @profile or DTDs: ←

15:19:14 <markbirbeck> http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-license

Unknown markbirbeck: http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-license ←

15:19:23 <Ralph> Steven: I don't agree with the argument that the media type must say that the document is used to generate triples

Unknown Steven: I don't agree with the argument that the media type must say that the document is used to generate triples [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:19:31 <markbirbeck> +1 Steven

Unknown markbirbeck: +1 Steven ←

15:19:43 <Ralph> ... the media type just identifies the type of document; it doesn't say how you should process it

Unknown Ralph: ... the media type just identifies the type of document; it doesn't say how you should process it ←

15:19:58 <Ralph> Shane: in the RDF cases, the media type does say [something about] how to process it

Unknown Shane: in the RDF cases, the media type does say [something about] how to process it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:20:04 <Ralph> Mark: that may be the TAG's point

Unknown Mark: that may be the TAG's point [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:20:24 <Ralph> ... the question "should we waste time processing this document if it doesn't contain RDFa" is one of two

Unknown Ralph: ... the question "should we waste time processing this document if it doesn't contain RDFa" is one of two ←

15:20:59 <Ralph> ... the second is "if we process a document as if it contains RDFa, are we acquiring statements that people did not intend to make"?

Unknown Ralph: ... the second is "if we process a document as if it contains RDFa, are we acquiring statements that people did not intend to make"? ←

15:21:09 <Ralph> ... the second is what the TAG is currently debating

Unknown Ralph: ... the second is what the TAG is currently debating ←

15:21:29 <Ralph> ... a third question might concern @rel='license'

Unknown Ralph: ... a third question might concern @rel='license' ←

15:21:45 <Ralph> ... they're suggesting that we should *not* process @rel='license'

Unknown Ralph: ... they're suggesting that we should *not* process @rel='license' ←

15:22:06 <Ralph> ... this means that >1M documents won't have this clear semantics

Unknown Ralph: ... this means that >1M documents won't have this clear semantics ←

15:22:27 <Ralph> ... we can make all these documents available to RDFa easily

Unknown Ralph: ... we can make all these documents available to RDFa easily ←

15:22:43 <Ralph> ... it's crazy to say none of these documents assert a license currently

Unknown Ralph: ... it's crazy to say none of these documents assert a license currently ←

15:22:58 <Ralph> Shane: as a group, we've agreed on this here

Unknown Shane: as a group, we've agreed on this here [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:23:14 <Ralph> ... we only need to address the 'follow your nose' question; it's about how discovery works on the Web

Unknown Ralph: ... we only need to address the 'follow your nose' question; it's about how discovery works on the Web ←

15:23:22 <Ralph> ... related to 302 discussion

Unknown Ralph: ... related to 302 discussion ←

15:24:12 <Ralph> ... the TAG appears to have a whole big environment in mind, of which RDFa is a small part, and they want to know how this fits

Unknown Ralph: ... the TAG appears to have a whole big environment in mind, of which RDFa is a small part, and they want to know how this fits ←

15:24:31 <Ralph> ... how does a document containing RDFa say that it contains RDFa?

Unknown Ralph: ... how does a document containing RDFa say that it contains RDFa? ←

15:24:42 <Ralph> ... Tim says "they all do"

Unknown Ralph: ... Tim says "they all do" ←

15:25:12 <Ralph> Mark: we think the interpretation of a document [is specified] even if the author didn't previously sign a contract

Unknown Mark: we think the interpretation of a document [is specified] even if the author didn't previously sign a contract [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:25:29 <Ralph> ... we're saying "here is an RDF interpretation of billions of documents that have [already] been published on the Web"

Unknown Ralph: ... we're saying "here is an RDF interpretation of billions of documents that have [already] been published on the Web" ←

15:25:42 <Ralph> ... and we hope people will publish even more [data] than they have already done

Unknown Ralph: ... and we hope people will publish even more [data] than they have already done ←

15:25:46 <Ralph> Ralph: +1

Unknown Ralph: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:26:03 <Ralph> Shane: it's not about imposing processing; it's about _permitting_ processing

Unknown Shane: it's not about imposing processing; it's about _permitting_ processing [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:26:22 <Ralph> ... the TAG's argument is that they don't see an explicit instruction and therefore can't map this into their world view

Unknown Ralph: ... the TAG's argument is that they don't see an explicit instruction and therefore can't map this into their world view ←

15:27:41 <Ralph> Ralph: does the TAG not believe that it is sufficient to have updated the XHTML1 namespace document?

Unknown Ralph: does the TAG not believe that it is sufficient to have updated the XHTML1 namespace document? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:27:53 <Ralph> Shane: there are two ways to update the namespace document; prose and with the GRDDL profile

Unknown Shane: there are two ways to update the namespace document; prose and with the GRDDL profile [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:28:02 <Ralph> ... the prose is more interesting to me

Unknown Ralph: ... the prose is more interesting to me ←

15:28:18 <Ralph> ... you go from the media type to the namespace document, not to the modularization document

Unknown Ralph: ... you go from the media type to the namespace document, not to the modularization document ←

15:29:41 <Ralph> ... we should propose to the TAG that we will follow Tim's recommendation and update the namespace document, both the prose and the machine-readable and all documents of type XHTML1 have RDF triples

Unknown Ralph: ... we should propose to the TAG that we will follow Tim's recommendation and update the namespace document, both the prose and the machine-readable and all documents of type XHTML1 have RDF triples ←

15:29:44 <Ralph> Ralph: +1

Unknown Ralph: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:29:50 <Ralph> STeven: +1

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Unknown STeven: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:29:56 <Steven> "Published specification:

Unknown Steven: "Published specification: ←

15:29:56 <Steven>       The text/html media type is now defined by W3C Recommendations;

Unknown Steven: The text/html media type is now defined by W3C Recommendations; ←

15:29:56 <Steven>       the latest published version is ..."

Unknown Steven: the latest published version is ..." ←

15:30:23 <Steven> (THat's from the rfc for text/html)

Unknown Steven: (That's from the rfc for text/html) ←

15:30:33 <Steven> s/TH/Th/

15:30:44 <Ralph> ACTION: Shane draft a TAG response along the lines of "we will update the namespace document, both the prose and the machine-readable and all documents of type XHTML1 have RDF triples"

ACTION: Shane draft a TAG response along the lines of "we will update the namespace document, both the prose and the machine-readable and all documents of type XHTML1 have RDF triples" ←

15:31:14 <Ralph> Topic: Test Cases

2. Test Cases

15:31:21 <msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/

Unknown msporny: http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/ ←

15:32:17 <Ralph> -- test 105;  inner @rel neither CURIE nor LinkType

Unknown Ralph: -- test 105; inner @rel neither CURIE nor LinkType ←

15:32:41 <Ralph> Manu: oops, seems I broke the test case harness

Unknown Manu: oops, seems I broke the test case harness [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:32:47 <msporny> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

Unknown msporny: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> ←

15:32:47 <msporny> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML+RDFa 1.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-rdfa-1.dtd">

Unknown msporny: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML+RDFa 1.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-rdfa-1.dtd"> ←

15:32:47 <msporny> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"

Unknown msporny: <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" ←

15:32:47 <msporny>       xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">

Unknown msporny: xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"> ←

15:32:47 <msporny>   <head>

Unknown msporny: <head> ←

15:32:48 <msporny>         <title>Test 0105</title>

Unknown msporny: <title>Test 0105</title> ←

15:32:50 <msporny>   </head>

Unknown msporny: </head> ←

15:32:52 <msporny>   <body>

Unknown msporny: <body> ←

15:32:54 <msporny>           <div about="" rel="dc:creator">

Unknown msporny: <div about="" rel="dc:creator"> ←

15:32:56 <msporny>          <a rel="myfoobarrel" href="ben.html">Ben</a> created this page.

Unknown msporny: <a rel="myfoobarrel" href="ben.html">Ben</a> created this page. ←

15:32:58 <msporny>       </div>

Unknown msporny: </div> ←

15:33:00 <msporny>   </body>

Unknown msporny: </body> ←

15:33:02 <msporny> </html>

Unknown msporny: </html> ←

15:33:32 <msporny> ASK WHERE {

Unknown msporny: ASK WHERE { ←

15:33:32 <msporny>         <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0105.xhtml> <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/creator> _:a .

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0105.xhtml> <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/creator> _:a . ←

15:33:32 <msporny>  }

Unknown msporny: } ←

15:34:18 <Ralph> Manu: _:a should be changed to ?a

Unknown Manu: _:a should be changed to ?a [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:34:40 <Ralph> ... we should verify that the object is a bnode

Unknown Ralph: ... we should verify that the object is a bnode ←

15:34:49 <Ralph> ... so nees a FILTER

Unknown Ralph: ... so needs a FILTER ←

15:34:53 <Ralph> s/nees/needs/

15:34:54 <msporny> ASK WHERE {

Unknown msporny: ASK WHERE { ←

15:34:54 <msporny>         <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0105.xhtm

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0105.xhtm ←

15:34:54 <msporny> l> <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/creator> ?a .

Unknown msporny: l> <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/creator> ?a . ←

15:34:54 <msporny>  FILTER IsBlank(?a)

Unknown msporny: FILTER IsBlank(?a) ←

15:34:54 <msporny> }

Unknown msporny: } ←

15:35:31 <Ralph> Mark: to be a full test, we should check that there's not a triple with myfoobarrel as a predicate

Unknown Mark: to be a full test, we should check that there's not a triple with myfoobarrel as a predicate [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:35:38 <Ralph> Manu: we can't do that in a single query

Unknown Manu: we can't do that in a single query [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:35:57 <Ralph> Mark: could use NOT

Unknown Mark: could use NOT [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:36:13 <Ralph> Manu: I'll investigate

Unknown Manu: I'll investigate [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:36:54 <Ralph> ... there are other tests that don't verify the absence of a triple

Unknown Ralph: ... there are other tests that don't verify the absence of a triple ←

15:37:11 <Ralph> Mark: do we need @about="" ?

Unknown Mark: do we need @about="" ? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:37:22 <Ralph> Steven: doesn't do any harm

Unknown Steven: doesn't do any harm [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:37:57 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 105 accepted, with change to check for absence of myfoobarrel triple

RESOLVED: test 105 accepted, with change to check for absence of myfoobarrel triple ←

15:37:59 <ShaneM> +1

Unknown ShaneM: +1 ←

15:38:07 <msporny> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

Unknown msporny: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> ←

15:38:07 <msporny> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML+RDFa 1.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-rdfa-1.dtd">

Unknown msporny: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML+RDFa 1.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-rdfa-1.dtd"> ←

15:38:07 <msporny> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"

Unknown msporny: <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" ←

15:38:07 <msporny>       xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">

Unknown msporny: xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"> ←

15:38:07 <msporny>   <head>

Unknown msporny: <head> ←

15:38:08 <msporny>         <title>Test 0106</title>

Unknown msporny: <title>Test 0106</title> ←

15:38:10 <msporny>   </head>

Unknown msporny: </head> ←

15:38:12 <msporny>   <body>

Unknown msporny: <body> ←

15:38:14 <msporny>           <div about="" rel="dc:creator">

Unknown msporny: <div about="" rel="dc:creator"> ←

15:38:18 <msporny>          <a rel="" href="manu.html">Manu</a> created this page.

Unknown msporny: <a rel="" href="manu.html">Manu</a> created this page. ←

15:38:20 <msporny>       </div>

Unknown msporny: </div> ←

15:38:22 <msporny>   </body>

Unknown msporny: </body> ←

15:38:24 <msporny> </html>

Unknown msporny: </html> ←

15:38:25 <Ralph> -- test 106; chaining with empty value in inner @rel

Unknown Ralph: -- test 106; chaining with empty value in inner @rel ←

15:38:46 <msporny> ASK WHERE {

Unknown msporny: ASK WHERE { ←

15:38:46 <msporny>         <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0106.xhtml> <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/creator> ?a .

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0106.xhtml> <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/creator> ?a . ←

15:38:46 <msporny>    FILTER IsBlank(?a)

Unknown msporny: FILTER IsBlank(?a) ←

15:38:46 <msporny>  }

Unknown msporny: } ←

15:38:54 <Ralph> Manu: add similar absence test to 106

Unknown Manu: add similar absence test to 106 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:39:39 <Ralph> Ralph: no predicate to check for absence in this case

Unknown Ralph: no predicate to check for absence in this case [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:41:02 <Ralph> Mark: a parser might blindly generate a predicate URI of http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/

Unknown Mark: a parser might blindly generate a predicate URI of http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/ [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:41:19 <Steven> Is there an empty CURIE?

Unknown Steven: Is there an empty CURIE? ←

15:41:20 <Ralph> Ralph: even thought that wouldn't be a [semantically] valid predicate name

Unknown Ralph: even though that wouldn't be a [semantically] valid predicate name [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:41:26 <Ralph> s/thought/though/

15:41:28 <Ralph> Mark: yep

Unknown Mark: yep [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:41:29 <markbirbeck> I was thinking of the xhv namespace, Ralp.

Unknown markbirbeck: I was thinking of the xhv namespace, Ralph. ←

15:41:44 <markbirbeck> s/Ralp./Ralph./

15:41:46 <Ralph> [yep, I copied the wrong test!]

Unknown Ralph: [yep, I copied the wrong text!] ←

15:41:50 <Ralph> s/test/text/

15:42:07 <Ralph> s|http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/|http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

Unknown Ralph: s|http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/|http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml ←

15:42:22 <Ralph> Manu: we could test that there is no triple containing "Manu" as an object

Unknown Manu: we could test that there is no triple containing "Manu" as an object [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:42:29 <Ralph> Mark: yes, that's more sensible for both 106 and 105

Unknown Mark: yes, that's more sensible for both 106 and 105 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:42:54 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 106 accepted, with change to check for absence of triples containing manu.html as either subject or object

RESOLVED: test 106 accepted, with change to check for absence of triples containing manu.html as either subject or object ←

15:43:23 <Ralph> Topic: handling of literals in test harness

3. handling of literals in test harness

15:43:48 <Ralph> Manu: we currently have 4 tests that fail; 100-103 because the literals are compared character by character

Unknown Manu: we currently have 4 tests that fail; 100-103 because the literals are compared character by character [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:44:06 <msporny> <div />

Unknown msporny: <div /> ←

15:44:09 <Ralph> ... even though the test is correct, the harness considers ''' and '"' to be different

Unknown Ralph: ... even though the test is correct, the harness considers ''' and '"' to be different ←

15:44:12 <msporny> <div></div>

Unknown msporny: <div></div> ←

15:44:42 <Ralph> ... also, our test doesn't cover the case that <div /> and <div></div> are equivalent

Unknown Ralph: ... also, our test doesn't cover the case that <div /> and <div></div> are equivalent ←

15:44:56 <Ralph> ... I propose that we add two versions of each test; one in short form and one in long form

Unknown Ralph: ... I propose that we add two versions of each test; one in short form and one in long form ←

15:45:14 <Ralph> Ralph: sounds reasonable to me to duplicate the tests for the convenience of implementors

Unknown Ralph: sounds reasonable to me to duplicate the tests for the convenience of implementors [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:45:24 <msporny> ASK WHERE {

Unknown msporny: ASK WHERE { ←

15:45:24 <msporny>  <http://www.example.org> <http://example.org/rdf/example> 'Some text here in <strong xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:svg="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">bold</strong> and an svg rectangle: <svg:svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:svg="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><svg:rect svg:height="100" svg:width="200"/></svg:svg>'^^<http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntASK WHERE {

Unknown msporny: <http://www.example.org> <http://example.org/rdf/example> 'Some text here in <strong xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:svg="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">bold</strong> and an svg rectangle: <svg:svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:svg="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><svg:rect svg:height="100" svg:width="200"/></svg:svg>'^^<http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntASK WHERE { ←

15:45:24 <msporny>  <http://www.example.org> <http://example.org/rdf/example> 'Some text here in <strong xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:svg="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">bold</strong> and an svg rectangle: <svg:svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:svg="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><svg:rect svg:height="100" svg:width="200"/></svg:svg>'^^<http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#XMLLiteral> .

15:45:27 <msporny>  }

Unknown msporny: } ←

15:45:29 <msporny> ax-ns#XMLLiteral> .

Unknown msporny: ax-ns#XMLLiteral> . ←

15:45:31 <msporny>  }

Unknown msporny: } ←

15:45:33 <Ralph> Manu: ^ SPARQL for test 100

Unknown Manu: ^ SPARQL for test 100 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:45:42 <Ralph> ... this is nearly impossible [for a human] to read

Unknown Ralph: ... this is nearly impossible [for a human] to read ←

15:45:47 <msporny> ASK WHERE {

Unknown msporny: ASK WHERE { ←

15:45:47 <msporny>  <http://www.example.org> <http://example.org/rdf/example> 'Some text here in <strong xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:svg="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">bold</strong> and an svg rectangle: <svg:svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:svg="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><svg:rect svg:height="100" svg:width="200"/></svg:svg>'^^<http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#XMLLiteral> .

15:45:47 <msporny>  }

Unknown msporny: } ←

15:46:11 <Ralph> Manu: the idea would be to include UNION statements where '"' is exchanged for '''

Unknown Manu: the idea would be to include UNION statements where '"' is exchanged for ''' [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:46:31 <msporny> </svg:rect>

Unknown msporny: </svg:rect> ←

15:46:39 <Ralph> ... and has both self-closed and explicit close tags

Unknown Ralph: ... and has both self-closed and explicit close tags ←

15:46:48 <Ralph> ... for the convenience of both sax-based and DOM-based parsers

Unknown Ralph: ... for the convenience of both sax-based and DOM-based parsers ←

15:46:52 <Ralph> ... any objections?

Unknown Ralph: ... any objections? ←

15:46:55 <Ralph> [no objections]

Unknown Ralph: [no objections] ←

15:47:06 <Ralph> Manu: I propose to update test 100-103 to add all four cases

Unknown Manu: I propose to update test 100-103 to add all four cases [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:47:31 <Ralph> Shane: I don't really object but I point out it's an "interesting" combinatorial problem to add all the cases to the SPARQL

Unknown Shane: I don't really object but I point out it's an "interesting" combinatorial problem to add all the cases to the SPARQL [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:47:45 <Ralph> Manu: modified proposal; only add those requested by implementors

Unknown Manu: modified proposal; only add those requested by implementors [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:48:10 <Ralph> Shane: also add a comment to the tests so when new implementors come along they know why they might be failing

Unknown Shane: also add a comment to the tests so when new implementors come along they know why they might be failing [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:48:50 <msporny> PROPOSE: Add implementors valid XML Literals to TC 100-103 and add comments to tell other implementors that the tests may fail due to XML Literal issues.

Scribe problem: the name 'PROPOSE' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown PROPOSE: Add implementors valid XML Literals to TC 100-103 and add comments to tell other implementors that the tests may fail due to XML Literal issues. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

15:49:26 <msporny> PROPOSE: Add valid cases of XML Literals as requested by implementers to TC 100-103 and add comments to tell other implementors that the tests may fail due to XML Literal issues.

Unknown PROPOSE: Add valid cases of XML Literals as requested by implementers to TC 100-103 and add comments to tell other implementors that the tests may fail due to XML Literal issues. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

15:49:46 <Steven> ok

Unknown Steven: ok ←

15:49:52 <Ralph> RESOLVED: Add valid cases of XML Literals as requested by implementers to TC 100-103 and add comments to tell other implementors that the tests may fail due to XML Literal issues.

RESOLVED: Add valid cases of XML Literals as requested by implementers to TC 100-103 and add comments to tell other implementors that the tests may fail due to XML Literal issues. ←

15:50:13 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/120

Unknown msporny: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/120 ←

15:50:17 <Ralph> Topic: ISSUE-120

4. ISSUE-120

15:50:33 <Ralph> Manu: I believe we've resolved this

Unknown Manu: I believe we've resolved this [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:51:10 <Ralph> Shane: the resolution was a minor change in the document ~1 month ago

Unknown Shane: the resolution was a minor change in the document ~1 month ago [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:52:13 <Ralph> Mark: this was a case of reading the text two possible ways, where one way was really awkward

Unknown Mark: this was a case of reading the text two possible ways, where one way was really awkward [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:53:58 <Ralph> ... the problem I thought people were raising was that although the second [myfoobarrel] line does not generate a triple, it may also cause the first [dc:creator] line to not generate a triple

Unknown Ralph: ... the problem I thought people were raising was that although the second [myfoobarrel] line does not generate a triple, it may also cause the first [dc:creator] line to not generate a triple ←

15:54:20 <Ralph> ... we should be more explicit that the nested element does complete the first triple even though it doesn't contain a valid @rel

Unknown Ralph: ... we should be more explicit that the nested element does complete the first triple even though it doesn't contain a valid @rel ←

15:54:38 <Ralph> ... I argued this was clear in the spec by interpretation of step 5

Unknown Ralph: ... I argued this was clear in the spec by interpretation of step 5 ←

15:55:04 <Ralph> ... the wording is changed to refer to the presence of @rel attribute rather than to a @rel value

Unknown Ralph: ... the wording is changed to refer to the presence of @rel attribute rather than to a @rel value ←

15:55:05 <msporny> PROPOSE: Resolve ISSUE-120 having made a minor change to the Syntax Document specifying that the presence of a @rel generates an incomplete triple

Unknown PROPOSE: Resolve ISSUE-120 having made a minor change to the Syntax Document specifying that the presence of a @rel generates an incomplete triple [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

15:55:31 <msporny> PROPOSE: Resolve ISSUE-120 having made a minor change to the Syntax Document specifying that the presence of a @rel is sufficient to complete and incomplete triple.

Unknown PROPOSE: Resolve ISSUE-120 having made a minor change to the Syntax Document specifying that the presence of a @rel is sufficient to complete and incomplete triple. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

15:55:46 <ShaneM> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/rdfa-syntax/Overview.mhtml.diff?r1=1.228&r2=1.229

Unknown ShaneM: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/rdfa-syntax/Overview.mhtml.diff?r1=1.228&r2=1.229 ←

15:55:51 <Ralph> RESOLVED: Resolve ISSUE-120 having made a minor change to the Syntax Document specifying that the presence of a @rel is sufficient to complete an incomplete triple.

RESOLVED: Resolve ISSUE-120 having made a minor change to the Syntax Document specifying that the presence of a @rel is sufficient to complete an incomplete triple. ←

15:56:14 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/103

Unknown msporny: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/103 ←

15:56:24 <Ralph> Topic: ISSUE-103

5. ISSUE-103

15:56:47 <Ralph> Manu: our email discussion boils down to "let's not change anything"

Unknown Manu: our email discussion boils down to "let's not change anything" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:57:09 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/103 ISSUE-103 a URI-centric approach to CURIEs

Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/103 ISSUE-103 a URI-centric approach to CURIEs ←

15:57:18 <Ralph> Shane: the argument is that CURIEs are _not_ URIs

Unknown Shane: the argument is that CURIEs are _not_ URIs [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:57:34 <Ralph> ... the implication of being a URI is that they could be used over the wire, but they can't be used over the wire

Unknown Ralph: ... the implication of being a URI is that they could be used over the wire, but they can't be used over the wire ←

15:58:00 <Ralph> Mark: and we've suggested that languages that currently use QNAMEs could migrate over time to using CURIEs

Unknown Mark: and we've suggested that languages that currently use QNAMEs could migrate over time to using CURIEs [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:59:12 <Ralph> Shane: in the TAG's recent CURIE Last Call comments they say that the CURIE syntax is too rich for use in SPARQL

Unknown Shane: in the TAG's recent CURIE Last Call comments they say that the CURIE syntax is too rich for use in SPARQL [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:00:18 <Ralph> Steven: and we're trying to fix that

Unknown Steven: and we're trying to fix that limitation in other languages [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:00:26 <msporny> PROPOSE: Resolve ISSUE-103, CURIEs are not URI schemes, they are a macro expansion mechanism. No need to change the Syntax document.

Unknown PROPOSE: Resolve ISSUE-103, CURIEs are not URI schemes, they are a macro expansion mechanism. No need to change the Syntax document. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

16:00:30 <Ralph> s/that/that limitation in other languages/

16:01:09 <Steven> There are queries you would like to make that SPARQL cannot do, and CURIEs fix that

Unknown Steven: There are queries you would like to make that SPARQL cannot do, and CURIEs fix that ←

16:01:18 <Ralph> Mark: I'd like my email comment to be included; this is QNAME-like

Unknown Mark: I'd like my email comment to be included; this is QNAME-like [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:01:34 <msporny> PROPOSE: Resolve ISSUE-103, CURIEs are not URI schemes, they are a macro expansion mechanism. No need to change the Syntax document. CURIEs are also QName-like, allowing legacy languages to migrate forward cleanly.

Unknown PROPOSE: Resolve ISSUE-103, CURIEs are not URI schemes, they are a macro expansion mechanism. No need to change the Syntax document. CURIEs are also QName-like, allowing legacy languages to migrate forward cleanly. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

16:02:20 <Ralph> Ralph: +1

Unknown Ralph: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:02:21 <markbirbeck> +1

Unknown markbirbeck: +1 ←

16:02:29 <Steven> time

Unknown Steven: time ←

16:02:34 <Ralph> RESOLVED: ISSUE-103 closed, CURIEs are not URI schemes, they are a macro expansion mechanism. No need to change the Syntax document. CURIEs are also QName-like, allowing legacy languages to migrate forward cleanly.

RESOLVED: ISSUE-103 closed, CURIEs are not URI schemes, they are a macro expansion mechanism. No need to change the Syntax document. CURIEs are also QName-like, allowing legacy languages to migrate forward cleanly. ←

created using i/Ralph: in SWD WG meeting/Topic: CR Transition Scheduling

6. CR Transition Scheduling

16:04:08 <Ralph> Ralph: in SWD WG meeting, Ben was asked to confirm that the XHTML2 WG will be able to resolve a CR transition request by Tuesday 10 June

Unknown Ralph: in SWD WG meeting, Ben was asked to confirm that the XHTML2 WG will be able to resolve a CR transition request by Tuesday 10 June [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:04:45 <Ralph> Shane: yes, XHTML2 WG will be able to resolve this by 11 June

Unknown Shane: yes, XHTML2 WG will be able to resolve this by 11 June [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:04:55 <Ralph> Steven: but there's an XForms WG meeting on the 11th

Unknown Steven: but there's an XForms WG meeting on the 11th [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:05:33 <Ralph> Shane: XHTML2 WG will be able to resolve CR transition request by 17 June

Unknown Shane: XHTML2 WG will be able to resolve CR transition request by 17 June [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:05:51 <Ralph> ... and we should discuss the CR exit criteria

Unknown Ralph: ... and we should discuss the CR exit criteria ←

16:06:03 <Ralph> Steven: I propose "2 implementations that pass all tests"

Unknown Steven: I propose "2 implementations that pass all tests" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:06:13 <Ralph> Shane: we've had a request that there also be an XSLT implementation

Unknown Shane: we've had a request that there also be an XSLT implementation [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:06:36 <Ralph> ... however, I do not believe that such an implementation is possible

Unknown Ralph: ... however, I do not believe that such an implementation is possible ←

16:07:00 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

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16:07:10 <Ralph> Steven: the minimum requirement is that there are 2 implementations of all features, and they don't all even have to be in one implementation

Unknown Steven: the minimum requirement is that there are 2 implementations of all features, and they don't all even have to be in one implementation [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:07:12 <Ralph> [adjourned]

Unknown Ralph: [adjourned] ←

16:07:16 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

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16:07:40 <Zakim> -Steven

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16:07:41 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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16:07:42 <Zakim> -Ralph

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16:07:42 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

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16:07:43 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, [IPcaller], Ralph, Steven, +0208761aaaa, markbirbeck

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16:07:52 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes

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16:07:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

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16:07:57 <Steven> Mark?

Unknown Steven: Mark? ←

16:08:08 <Steven> Shane, he's on Skype apparently

Unknown Steven: Shane, he's on Skype apparently ←

16:08:14 <ShaneM> ahh ok

Unknown ShaneM: ahh ok ←

16:08:25 <ShaneM> I need him for that impl report

Unknown ShaneM: I need him for that impl report ←

16:09:26 <Ralph> i/Ralph: in SWD WG meeting/Topic: CR Transition Scheduling

16:09:29 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes

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16:09:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

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16:09:39 <Ralph> zakim, bye

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16:10:27 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye

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16:10:27 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-rdfa-actions.rdf :

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16:10:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [1]

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16:10:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to reach out to Slashdot and attempt to get RDFa integrated into Slashdot. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] [2]

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16:10:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-rdfa-irc#T15-08-34

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16:10:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [3]

ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] [3] ←

16:10:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-rdfa-irc#T15-10-09

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16:10:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to determine which useless-triples test cases to remove and which to add. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [4]

ACTION: Michael to determine which useless-triples test cases to remove and which to add. [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] [4] ←

16:10:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-rdfa-irc#T15-10-26

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16:10:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane draft a TAG response along the lines of "we will update the namespace document, both the prose and the machine-readable and all documents of type XHTML1 have RDF triples" [5]

ACTION: Shane draft a TAG response along the lines of "we will update the namespace document, both the prose and the machine-readable and all documents of type XHTML1 have RDF triples" [5] ←

16:10:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-rdfa-irc#T15-30-44

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