Meeting Record

edit

W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2008-04-24, 15:00 UTC

Minutes of 24 April 2008

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0140.html

Seen

Unknown Michael_Hausenblas, Unknown Ralph, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown Steven, Unknown mhausenblas, Unknown msporny

Chair

Unknown msporny

Scribe

Unknown mhausenblas, Unknown ralph

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

ISSUE-114 Manu to use Ralphs response to reply to PFWG. No change in the syntax document needed as it is not obvious that there is a tractable solution to t link
ISSUE-116 Manu to use Ralphs response to reply to PFWG. No change in the syntax document needed. link
ISSUE-11 Michael to respond to Elias and Lee that the RDFa Primer has changed substantially and invite for new comments. This issue is closed. link
ISSUE-43 Michael to answer Lee's comments for Issue 43 in the same e-mail as Issue 11, noting that the Primer and Syntax Document have changed significantly and issues seem to have been addressed. Invite for further comments. This issue is closed, no changes to the documents. link

Topics

Action Items
ISSUE-114: RDFa for dynamic content?
ISSUE-116: Safe CURIEs using "curie:dc:creator"?
ISSUE-11: RDFa Primer document
ISSUE-43: Primer should link to the URIs of the assumed namespaces
ISSUE-113: clarify situation around document fragments containing RDFa

There are some format problems with the chatlog. Please correct them and reload this page. They are labeled on this page in a red box, like this message.

It may be helpful to

14:58:29 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-irc ←

14:58:44 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)

Scribe problem: the name 'mhausenblas' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown mhausenblas: zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa) ←

14:58:44 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes ←

14:58:54 <mhausenblas> Meeting: W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2008-04-24, 15:00 UTC

14:58:59 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0140.html

14:59:05 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/04/17-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-04-17

Unknown mhausenblas: -> http://www.w3.org/2008/04/17-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-04-17 ←

14:59:18 <msporny> thanks Michael :)

Scribe problem: the name 'msporny' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown msporny: thanks Michael :) ←

14:59:23 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Ben Adida

Unknown mhausenblas: regrets+ Ben Adida ←

14:59:41 <msporny> sure, why not.

Unknown msporny: sure, why not. ←

15:00:23 <mhausenblas> Chair: msporny

Scribe problem: the name 'msporny' does not match any of the 0 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names:

15:00:29 <mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas

(Scribe set to Unknown mhausenblas)

15:00:35 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

15:00:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

15:00:53 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public

RRSAgent, make logs public ←

15:01:36 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started ←

15:01:37 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←

15:01:42 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P27

Unknown msporny: zakim, I am ??P27 ←

15:01:42 <Zakim> +msporny; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +msporny; got it ←

15:01:51 <Zakim> +ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←

15:01:56 <Zakim> +Michael_Hausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: +Michael_Hausenblas ←

15:01:59 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Scribe problem: the name 'ShaneM' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←

15:01:59 <Zakim> +ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←

15:02:04 <Zakim> +Ralph

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ralph ←

15:02:29 <Steven> zakim, who is here?

Scribe problem: the name 'Steven' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Steven: zakim, who is here? ←

15:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see msporny, ShaneM, Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see msporny, ShaneM, Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph ←

15:02:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see Steven, Ralph, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShaneM, msporny, mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Steven, Ralph, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShaneM, msporny, mhausenblas ←

15:02:46 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

15:02:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

15:03:36 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617 ←

15:03:36 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←

15:03:38 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←

15:03:49 <mhausenblas> Topic: Action Items

1. Action Items

15:03:58 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2008/04/17-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

Unknown msporny: http://www.w3.org/2008/04/17-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary ←

15:04:02 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to chat immediately with Mark and see if the Primer is "good enough" for WG review. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben to chat immediately with Mark and see if the Primer is "good enough" for WG review. [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/04/17-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:04:19 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:04:29 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to respond to ISSUE-109 with (if possible) pointers to past discussion of @cite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben to respond to ISSUE-109 with (if possible) pointers to past discussion of @cite [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/04/17-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:04:34 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:04:48 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to respond to issue 87 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben to respond to ISSUE-87 [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] ←

15:04:53 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:04:59 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:05:03 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:05:11 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to follow up on media type discussion with Steven, Ralph, and TAG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to follow up on media type discussion with Steven, Ralph, and TAG [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-08] ←

15:05:19 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:05:29 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu to enable EARL output in RDFa Test Harness [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

[PENDING] ACTION: Manu to enable EARL output in RDFa Test Harness [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←

15:05:35 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:05:58 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark to move _:a bnode notation to normative section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]

[PENDING] ACTION: Mark to move _:a bnode notation to normative section [recorded in ACTION-05]">http://www.w3.org/2008/04/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-05] ←

15:06:20 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:06:29 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark/Shane include issue 89 correction in Changes section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

[PENDING] ACTION: Mark/Shane include ISSUE-89 correction in Changes section [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:06:37 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:06:45 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:06:51 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:06:58 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to review response to Christian Hoertnagl. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to review response to Christian Hoertnagl. [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/27-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07] ←

15:07:06 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:07:36 <mhausenblas> Topic: ISSUE-114: RDFa for dynamic content?

2. ISSUE-114: RDFa for dynamic content?

15:07:45 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/114 issue 114

Scribe problem: the name 'Ralph' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/114 ISSUE-114 ←

15:09:21 <mhausenblas> Manu: Using RDFa in dynamic content

Scribe problem: the name 'Manu' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Manu: Using RDFa in dynamic content ←

15:09:56 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0116.html Ralph's proposed response

Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0116.html Ralph's proposed response ←

created using i/this is a hard problem/scribenick: ralph

Scribe problem: the name 'ralph' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

(Scribe set to Unknown ralph)

15:10:22 <Ralph> Michael: this is a hard problem to deal with

Scribe problem: the name 'Michael' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Michael: this is a hard problem to deal with [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:10:36 <Ralph> ... doing something locally in ajax and then piping it to another system

Unknown Ralph: ... doing something locally in ajax and then piping it to another system ←

15:10:54 <Ralph> Steven: it depends on the order of processing

Unknown Steven: it depends on the order of processing [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:10:55 <mhausenblas> http://143.224.254.32/irs/

Unknown mhausenblas: http://143.224.254.32/irs/ ←

15:11:29 <Ralph> ... if the dynamic part is done first then, e.g., Ben's applet will just work

Unknown Ralph: ... if the dynamic part is done first then, e.g., Ben's applet will just work ←

15:13:03 <Ralph> ... our processing rules say "if you find such-and-such an attribute, then do this ..."

Unknown Ralph: ... our processing rules say "if you find such-and-such an attribute, then do this ..." ←

15:13:29 <Ralph> ... the rules don't say how you go about finding the attributes; this can be part of some dynamic process

Unknown Ralph: ... the rules don't say how you go about finding the attributes; this can be part of some dynamic process ←

15:14:23 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/113

Unknown msporny: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/113 ←

15:14:35 <Ralph> Michael: I'm wondering how I would implement a dynamically-loaded RDFa from clicking on a DIV and then send that RDF elsewhere

Unknown Michael: I'm wondering how I would implement a dynamically-loaded RDFa from clicking on a DIV and then send that RDF elsewhere [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:14:49 <Ralph> Manu: your question, Michael, seems more appropriate for issue 113

Unknown Manu: your question, Michael, seems more appropriate for ISSUE-113 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:15:10 <Ralph> ... issue 113 concerns copy & paste operations; clipboard operations

Unknown Ralph: ... ISSUE-113 concerns copy & paste operations; clipboard operations ←

15:15:29 <Ralph> ... how to export XHTML such that the namespaces are preserved

Unknown Ralph: ... how to export XHTML such that the namespaces are preserved ←

15:16:54 <Ralph> Shane: in Michael's situation, a server-side RDFa implementation will have difficulty but a client-side RDFa implementation won't

Scribe problem: the name 'Shane' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Shane: in Michael's situation, a server-side RDFa implementation will have difficulty but a client-side RDFa implementation won't [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:17:15 <Ralph> ... we don't make a distinction between the server- and client- processing in the spec

Unknown Ralph: ... we don't make a distinction between the server- and client- processing in the spec ←

15:17:49 <Ralph> ... so if the client has dynamic changes, a server-side RDFa implementation simply won't see them

Unknown Ralph: ... so if the client has dynamic changes, a server-side RDFa implementation simply won't see them ←

15:17:53 <Ralph> Michael: and I see that as a problem

Unknown Michael: and I see that as a problem [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:18:18 <Ralph> ... from a Web2.0 developer point of view I believe this will be a problem

Unknown Ralph: ... from a Web2.0 developer point of view I believe this will be a problem ←

15:19:19 <Ralph> ... I am willing to write some suggested 'good practices' in the RDFa wiki

Unknown Ralph: ... I am willing to write some suggested 'good practices' in the RDFa wiki ←

15:19:51 <Ralph> Manu: yes, would be nice to have a set of recipes for how to communicate data from a client back to the server

Unknown Manu: yes, would be nice to have a set of recipes for how to communicate data from a client back to the server [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:21:14 <Ralph> i/this is a hard problem/scribenick: ralph

15:21:20 <Ralph> scribenick: mhausenblas

(Scribe set to Unknown mhausenblas)

15:21:59 <mhausenblas> Proposal: Use Ralphs answer http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0116.html

PROPOSED: Use Ralphs answer http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0116.html ←

15:22:37 <mhausenblas> ... and Michael's good practice description at the RDFa Wiki how to deal with this issue

... and Michael's good practice description at the RDFa Wiki how to deal with this issue ←

15:24:04 <msporny> PROPOSE: ISSUE-114 use Ralphs response to reply to PFWG - while changing the syntax document would take a long time, we will create a section on the wiki to address dynamic modification of XHTML, and use Ralph's answer http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0116.html and have Michael update the language to note that he's working on getting a recipes page on the wiki.

Scribe problem: the name 'PROPOSE' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown PROPOSE: ISSUE-114 use Ralphs response to reply to PFWG - while changing the syntax document would take a long time, we will create a section on the wiki to address dynamic modification of XHTML, and use Ralph's answer http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0116.html and have Michael update the language to note that he's working on getting a recipes page on the wiki. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

15:25:51 <msporny> PROPOSE: ISSUE-114 Manu to use Ralphs response to reply to PFWG - it is not obvious that there is a tractable solution to the full problem, we will create a section on the wiki to address dynamic modification of XHTML, and use Ralph's answer http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0116.html.

Unknown PROPOSE: ISSUE-114 Manu to use Ralphs response to reply to PFWG - it is not obvious that there is a tractable solution to the full problem, we will create a section on the wiki to address dynamic modification of XHTML, and use Ralph's answer http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0116.html. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

15:26:10 <msporny> PROPOSE: ISSUE-114 Manu to use Ralphs response to reply to PFWG - it is not obvious that there is a tractable solution to the full problem, we will create a section on the wiki to address dynamic modification of XHTML.

15:26:20 <Ralph> (with some reference to the special challenge of server-side processors)

Unknown Ralph: (with some reference to the special challenge of server-side processors) ←

15:26:37 <mhausenblas> +1

+1 ←

15:27:07 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0144.html Mark expresses support for Ralph's draft response

Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0144.html Mark expresses support for Ralph's draft response ←

15:27:58 <mhausenblas> RESOLVED: ISSUE-114 Manu to use Ralphs response to reply to PFWG - it is not obvious that there is a tractable solution to the full problem, we will create a section on the wiki to address dynamic modification of XHTML with some reference to the special challenge of server-side processors).

RESOLVED: ISSUE-114 Manu to use Ralphs response to reply to PFWG. No change in the syntax document needed as it is not obvious that there is a tractable solution to t ←

15:28:13 <Ralph> Regrets+ Mark

Unknown Ralph: Regrets+ Mark ←

15:28:35 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Manu to reply PFWG regarding ISSUE-114

ACTION: Manu to reply PFWG regarding ISSUE-114 ←

15:28:52 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Michael to add a sectionto Wiki regarding ISSUE-114

ACTION: Michael to add a sectionto Wiki regarding ISSUE-114 ←

15:30:00 <mhausenblas> Shane: How about resolution in tracker?

Unknown Shane: How about resolution in tracker? ←

15:30:21 <mhausenblas> Ralph: That is: No change in the syntax document regarding ISSUE-114

Unknown Ralph: That is: No change in the syntax document regarding ISSUE-114 ←

15:31:01 <msporny> Manu: +1

Unknown Manu: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

15:32:01 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/116

Unknown msporny: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/116 ←

15:32:02 <mhausenblas> s/RESOLVED: ISSUE-114 Manu to use Ralphs response to reply to PFWG - it is not obvious that there is a tractable solution to the full problem, we will create a section on the wiki to address dynamic modification of XHTML with some reference to the special challenge of server-side processors)./RESOLVED: ISSUE-114 Manu to use Ralphs response to reply to PFWG. No change in the syntax document needed as it is not obvious that there is a tractable solution to t

15:33:20 <mhausenblas> Topic: ISSUE-116: Safe CURIEs using "curie:dc:creator"?

3. ISSUE-116: Safe CURIEs using "curie:dc:creator"?

15:33:57 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0115.html Ralph's proposed response

Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0115.html Ralph's proposed response ←

15:34:16 <mhausenblas> Shane: Ralph's comment is good

Unknown Shane: Ralph's comment is good ←

15:34:30 <mhausenblas> Shane: But we don't actually use XMLNS

Unknown Shane: But we don't actually use XMLNS ←

15:36:58 <mhausenblas> ... that is we don't rely on it in the spec

... that is we don't rely on it in the spec ←

15:38:17 <Steven> q+

Unknown Steven: q+ ←

15:38:30 <mhausenblas> ack Steven

ack Steven ←

15:38:50 <mhausenblas> Steven: That means we do have interop with HTML

Unknown Steven: That means we do have interop with HTML ←

15:39:01 <mhausenblas> Shane: Regarding validation

Unknown Shane: Regarding validation ←

15:40:24 <ShaneM> I love this part of the reply: The Group does not feel that this would be

Unknown ShaneM: I love this part of the reply: The Group does not feel that this would be ←

15:40:24 <ShaneM> a brief discussion.

Unknown ShaneM: a brief discussion. ←

15:40:51 <mhausenblas> PROPOSE: ISSUE-116 Manu to use Ralphs response (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0115.html)

Unknown PROPOSE: ISSUE-116 Manu to use Ralphs response (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0115.html) ←

15:41:21 <msporny> +1

Unknown msporny: +1 ←

15:41:29 <ShaneM> +1

Unknown ShaneM: +1 ←

15:42:48 <mhausenblas> RESOLVED: ISSUE-1146 Manu to use Ralphs response to reply to PFWG. No change in the syntax document needed.

RESOLVED: ISSUE-116 Manu to use Ralphs response to reply to PFWG. No change in the syntax document needed. ←

15:43:04 <mhausenblas> s/ISSUE-1146/ISSUE-116

15:43:48 <mhausenblas> Topic: ISSUE-11: RDFa Primer document

4. ISSUE-11: RDFa Primer document

15:44:46 <mhausenblas> Manu: Let's contact both Elias and Lee and ask if there comments still apply (as major parts have changed)

Unknown Manu: Let's contact both Elias and Lee and ask if there comments still apply (as major parts have changed) ←

15:45:46 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/11

Unknown msporny: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/11 ←

15:46:51 <mhausenblas> PROPOSE: Respond to Elias and Lee that the Primer has changed substantially and invite for new comments

Unknown PROPOSE: Respond to Elias and Lee that the Primer has changed substantially and invite for new comments ←

15:48:23 <msporny> +1

Unknown msporny: +1 ←

15:48:32 <msporny> Manu: We also want to close this issue.

Unknown Manu: We also want to close this issue. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

15:49:17 <mhausenblas> RESOLVED: ISSUE-11 Michael to respond to Elias and Lee that the RDFa Primer has changed substantially and invite for new comments. This issue is closed.

RESOLVED: ISSUE-11 Michael to respond to Elias and Lee that the RDFa Primer has changed substantially and invite for new comments. This issue is closed. ←

15:49:19 <msporny> +1

Unknown msporny: +1 ←

15:49:37 <mhausenblas> Action: Michael to reply to Elias and Lee regarding ISSUE-11

ACTION: Michael to reply to Elias and Lee regarding ISSUE-11 ←

15:49:45 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/43

Unknown msporny: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/43 ←

15:49:52 <Ralph> (while those comments for issue 11 refer to "Primer" at the time they were written, recall that the most current version of the specification was in the Primer)

Unknown Ralph: (while those comments for ISSUE-11 refer to "Primer" at the time they were written, recall that the most current version of the specification was in the Primer) ←

15:49:54 <mhausenblas> Topic: ISSUE-43: Primer should link to the URIs of the assumed namespaces

5. ISSUE-43: Primer should link to the URIs of the assumed namespaces

15:51:42 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0081.html Ben believes issue 43 is closed

Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0081.html Ben believes ISSUE-43 is closed ←

15:52:34 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Can be done by Michael when answering ISSUE-11

Unknown Ralph: Can be done by Michael when answering ISSUE-11 ←

15:53:30 <mhausenblas> PROPOSE: ISSUE-43 Michael to answer Lee and Elias together with ISSUE-11

Unknown PROPOSE: ISSUE-43 Michael to answer Lee and Elias together with ISSUE-11 ←

15:53:50 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

Unknown Steven: rrsagent, make minutes ←

15:53:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-minutes.html Steven

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-minutes.html Steven ←

15:55:26 <msporny> PROPOSE: ISSUE-43 Michael to answer Lee's comments for Issue 43 in the same e-mail as Issue 11, noting that the Primer and Syntax Document have changed significantly and issues seem to have been addressed. Invite for further comments.

Unknown PROPOSE: ISSUE-43 Michael to answer Lee's comments for ISSUE-43 in the same e-mail as ISSUE-11, noting that the Primer and Syntax Document have changed significantly and issues seem to have been addressed. Invite for further comments. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

15:56:04 <msporny> PROPOSE: ISSUE-43 Michael to answer Lee's comments for Issue 43 in the same e-mail as Issue 11, noting that the Primer and Syntax Document have changed significantly and issues seem to have been addressed. Invite for further comments. This issue is closed, no changes to the documents.

15:56:12 <mhausenblas> +1

+1 ←

15:56:19 <Ralph> +1

Unknown Ralph: +1 ←

15:56:20 <ShaneM> +1

Unknown ShaneM: +1 ←

15:56:30 <mhausenblas> RESOLVED:  ISSUE-43 Michael to answer Lee's comments for Issue 43 in the same e-mail as Issue 11, noting that the Primer and Syntax Document have changed significantly and issues seem to have been addressed. Invite for further comments. This issue is closed, no changes to the documents.

RESOLVED: ISSUE-43 Michael to answer Lee's comments for ISSUE-43 in the same e-mail as ISSUE-11, noting that the Primer and Syntax Document have changed significantly and issues seem to have been addressed. Invite for further comments. This issue is closed, no changes to the documents. ←

15:56:58 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/113

Unknown msporny: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/113 ←

15:57:15 <mhausenblas> Topic: ISSUE-113: clarify situation around document fragments containing RDFa

6. ISSUE-113: clarify situation around document fragments containing RDFa

15:58:00 <mhausenblas> Manu: Question how to deal with clipboard operations (fragments of XHTML+RDFa)

Unknown Manu: Question how to deal with clipboard operations (fragments of XHTML+RDFa) ←

15:59:26 <mhausenblas> Shane: Does not generally apply ... can't be done

Unknown Shane: Does not generally apply ... can't be done ←

15:59:57 <mhausenblas> Michael: USe case is important (that's what people know from uF, such as hCard, hCalendar, etc.)

Unknown Michael: USe case is important (that's what people know from uF, such as hCard, hCalendar, etc.) ←

16:00:07 <mhausenblas> ... but agree with Shane

... but agree with Shane ←

16:00:23 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Namespace is trivial

Unknown Ralph: Namespace is trivial ←

16:01:39 <mhausenblas> Shane: We need to ensure that the whole document is processed

Unknown Shane: We need to ensure that the whole document is processed ←

16:01:58 <Ralph> Shane: specifically w.r.t. the comment "Please specify processing rules and conditions that apply to document fragments containing RDFa" we can't do this

Unknown Shane: specifically w.r.t. the comment "Please specify processing rules and conditions that apply to document fragments containing RDFa" we can't do this [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:02:02 <Ralph> Ralph: I agree

Unknown Ralph: I agree [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:02:07 <mhausenblas> +1

+1 ←

16:03:07 <mhausenblas> Shane: We should write about it in good practice on the Wiki, for example

Unknown Shane: We should write about it in good practice on the Wiki, for example ←

16:03:16 <Ralph> PROPOSE: our response to issue 113 is "RDFa 1.0 processing is not specified on document _fragments_"

Unknown PROPOSE: our response to ISSUE-113 is "RDFa 1.0 processing is not specified on document _fragments_" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:03:28 <mhausenblas> +1

+1 ←

16:03:29 <msporny> +1

Unknown msporny: +1 ←

16:03:32 <ShaneM> +1

Unknown ShaneM: +1 ←

16:04:21 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

16:04:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

16:04:22 <Ralph> Shane: not sure if Ben would agree

Unknown Shane: not sure if Ben would agree [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:04:29 <Ralph> Ralph: so let's wait 'till next telecon

Unknown Ralph: so let's wait 'till next telecon [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:04:42 <ShaneM> Just for context.  What I mean here is that fragments can move among documents, but they MUST be processed in the context of the new document.  They CANNOT be processed independently.  Period.

Unknown ShaneM: Just for context. What I mean here is that fragments can move among documents, but they MUST be processed in the context of the new document. They CANNOT be processed independently. Period. ←

16:06:17 <Steven> +1 to that

Unknown Steven: +1 to that ←

16:06:21 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2008/04/22-swd-minutes.html#item03

http://www.w3.org/2008/04/22-swd-minutes.html#item03 ←

16:07:31 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule

Unknown Steven: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule ←

16:08:50 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←

16:10:14 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

16:10:15 <Zakim> -Ralph

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ralph ←

16:10:15 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas

Scribe problem: the name 'Michael_Hausenblas' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -Michael_Hausenblas ←

16:10:17 <Zakim> -msporny

Zakim IRC Bot: -msporny ←

16:10:17 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended ←

16:10:19 <Zakim> Attendees were msporny, ShaneM, Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph, Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were msporny, ShaneM, Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph, Steven ←

16:10:21 <mhausenblas> Zakim, list attendees

Zakim, list attendees ←

16:10:21 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mhausenblas, I don't know what conference this is ←

16:10:30 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

16:10:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

16:10:55 <mhausenblas> [adjourned]

[adjourned] ←

16:11:05 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

16:11:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

16:12:03 <mhausenblas> Zakim, bye

Zakim, bye ←

16:12:10 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, bye

rrsagent, bye ←

16:12:10 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-actions.rdf : ←

16:12:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to reply PFWG regarding ISSUE-114 [1]

ACTION: Manu to reply PFWG regarding ISSUE-114 [1] ←

16:12:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-irc#T15-28-35

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-irc#T15-28-35 ←

16:12:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to add a sectionto Wiki regarding ISSUE-114 [2]

ACTION: Michael to add a sectionto Wiki regarding ISSUE-114 [2] ←

16:12:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-irc#T15-28-52

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-irc#T15-28-52 ←

16:12:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to reply to Elias and Lee regarding ISSUE-11 [3]

ACTION: Michael to reply to Elias and Lee regarding ISSUE-11 [3] ←

16:12:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-irc#T15-49-37

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/24-rdfa-irc#T15-49-37 ←

Formatted by CommonScribe