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Weekly RDFa Teleconference

Minutes of 24 January 2008

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0259
Seen
Unknown Ben, Unknown Manu, Unknown Ralph, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown Steven, Unknown benadida, Unknown markbirbeck, Unknown mhausenblas, Unknown msporny
Chair
Unknown Ben
Scribe
Unknown msporny, Unknown Manu, Unknown ralph
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. @rel/@rev non-prefixed values other than reserved keywords are ignored. Reserved keywords resolve to vocab#[keyword]. link
  2. test 76 approved link
  3. test 77 accepted link
  4. @href/@resource complete hanging @rel's. link
  5. @src behaves like @about and is overridden by @about link
  6. @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @property on the same element. link
  7. @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @instanceof on same element. link
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15:59:32 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public

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Unknown Steven: rrsagent, make log public

15:59:37 <Steven> zakim, this will be rdfa

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Unknown Steven: zakim, this will be rdfa

15:59:37 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute

16:00:03 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly RDFa Teleconference
16:00:07 <Steven> Chair: Ben

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16:00:16 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617

16:00:16 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617

16:00:16 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made

16:00:17 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made

16:00:18 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

16:00:19 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven

16:00:47 <Zakim> +Ralph

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ralph

16:00:53 <msporny> morning, Ralph :)

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Unknown msporny: morning, Ralph :)

16:01:37 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0259
16:01:46 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0259

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Unknown Steven: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0259

16:02:22 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-01-17

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Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-01-17

16:02:24 <msporny> hmm... why can't I call in? RDFA# - passcode is not valid?

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Unknown msporny: hmm... why can't I call in? RDFA# - passcode is not valid?

16:02:32 <Zakim> +??P42

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P42

16:02:44 <Ralph> skype issue, Manu?

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Unknown Ralph: skype issue, Manu?

16:02:47 <mhausenblas> Zakim, P42 is me

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Unknown mhausenblas: Zakim, P42 is me

16:02:47 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not recognize a party named 'P42'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mhausenblas, I do not recognize a party named 'P42'

16:02:54 <msporny> perhaps....?

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Unknown msporny: perhaps....?

16:02:54 <mhausenblas> Zakim, ??P42 is me

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Unknown mhausenblas: Zakim, ??P42 is me

16:02:54 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas; got it

16:02:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

16:03:07 <Ralph> zakim, ipcaller is Manu

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Unknown Ralph: zakim, ipcaller is Manu

16:03:07 <Zakim> +Manu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Manu; got it

16:03:08 <Steven> -> Previous http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html

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Unknown Steven: -> Previous http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html

16:04:03 <Zakim> +Ben

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ben

16:04:07 <Zakim> +??P49

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P49

16:04:19 <ShaneM>  zakim, ??P49 is ShaneM

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Unknown ShaneM: zakim, ??P49 is ShaneM

16:04:19 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it

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16:05:31 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

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16:05:31 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

16:05:47 <Ralph> Steven: note that the just-published HTML 5 WD proposes a registry for @rel values

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Unknown Steven: note that the just-published HTML 5 WD proposes a registry for @rel values [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:06:06 <Zakim> +??P2

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16:06:10 <msporny> http://riese.joanneum.at/data/economy/ -> issues with displaying in Firefox, Michael...

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Unknown msporny: http://riese.joanneum.at/data/economy/ -> issues with displaying in Firefox, Michael...

16:06:11 <Ralph> ... I think we need to keep an eye on this and seed the idea of using URIs as @rel values, perhaps shortened in some way :)

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Unknown Ralph: ... I think we need to keep an eye on this and seed the idea of using URIs as @rel values, perhaps shortened in some way :)

16:06:12 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?

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Unknown markbirbeck: zakim, i am ?

16:06:12 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +markbirbeck; got it

16:06:36 <benadida> zakim, pick a victim

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Unknown benadida: zakim, pick a victim

16:06:36 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Manu

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Manu

16:08:05 <Ralph> s|riese.joanneum.at||

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Unknown Ralph: s|riese.joanneum.at||

16:09:09 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-html5-20080122/#other0 HTML 5 WD proposed mechanism for registering @rel values

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Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-html5-20080122/#other0 HTML 5 WD proposed mechanism for registering @rel values

16:09:33 <msporny> Ralph, do you want me to attempt scribing?

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Unknown msporny: Ralph, do you want me to attempt scribing?

16:09:58 <Ralph> what's your preference, Manu?  how much of the agenda today will you need to speak to?

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Unknown Ralph: what's your preference, Manu? how much of the agenda today will you need to speak to?

16:10:03 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc

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Unknown mhausenblas: http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc

16:10:31 <Steven> XML parsing failed

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Unknown Steven: XML parsing failed

16:10:31 <Steven>

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16:10:31 <Steven> XML parsing failed: syntax error (Line: 3, Character: 0)

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16:10:31 <Steven>

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Unknown Steven:

16:10:32 <Steven> Reparse document as HTML

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Unknown Steven: Reparse document as HTML

16:10:33 <msporny> not much, I don't think... if you can give me some hints as we go along... that would be great.

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Unknown msporny: not much, I don't think... if you can give me some hints as we go along... that would be great.

16:10:34 <Steven> Error:missing root element

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Unknown Error: missing root element [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Steven ]

16:10:36 <Steven> Specification:http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/

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Unknown Specification: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/ [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Steven ]

16:10:38 <Steven>   1: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

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Unknown Steven: 1: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

16:10:40 <Steven>   2: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML+RDFa 1.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-rdfa-1.dtd">

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Unknown Steven: 2: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML+RDFa 1.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-rdfa-1.dtd">

16:10:41 <Ralph> scribenick: msporny

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(Scribe set to Unknown msporny)

16:10:45 <Ralph> Scribe: Manu

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(Scribe set to Unknown Manu)

16:11:21 <msporny> Topic: Agenda

1. Agenda

16:11:45 <msporny> ben: chaining, we should be voting on the whole model

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Unknown ben: chaining, we should be voting on the whole model [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:12:01 <msporny> ben: do people feel like we should be voting on the individual items?

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Unknown ben: do people feel like we should be voting on the individual items? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:12:26 <msporny> michael: do I have to vote? vote yes or no? abstain?

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Unknown michael: do I have to vote? vote yes or no? abstain? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:12:51 <msporny> ... I feel like I don't have a strong enough opinion on some issues.

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Unknown msporny: ... I feel like I don't have a strong enough opinion on some issues.

16:13:00 <msporny> ben: fair enough, let's see when we get to voting.

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Unknown ben: fair enough, let's see when we get to voting. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:13:11 <msporny> ralph: voting is meant to be only when we're at an impasse.

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Unknown ralph: voting is meant to be only when we're at an impasse. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:13:21 <msporny> ben: last item on list is @src attribute.

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Unknown ben: last item on list is @src attribute. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:13:38 <msporny> ben: anything else?

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Unknown ben: anything else? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:13:55 <msporny> mark: there are some items that should be voted on separately.

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Unknown mark: there are some items that should be voted on separately. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:14:37 <msporny> thank Ralph... I'm practicing by being verbose :)

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Unknown msporny: thank Ralph... I'm practicing by being verbose :)

16:14:58 <msporny> mark: gives examples of some issues.

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Unknown mark: gives examples of some issues. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:15:07 <msporny> ben: any particular order you want?

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Unknown ben: any particular order you want? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:15:50 <msporny> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01]

16:15:59 <msporny> -- CONTINUES

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16:16:07 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06]

16:16:11 <msporny> -- CONTINUES

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16:17:07 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]

ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02]

16:17:26 <msporny> -- CONTINUES

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16:17:30 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01]

16:17:32 <msporny> -- CONTINUES

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16:17:40 <msporny> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06]

16:17:51 <msporny> -- CONTINUES

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16:18:00 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01]

16:18:03 <msporny> -- CONTINUES

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16:18:12 <msporny> ben: nice to know Dublin Core is paying attention to RDFa.

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Unknown ben: nice to know Dublin Core is paying attention to RDFa. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:18:21 <msporny> ben: also nice that people are looking into trackback.

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Unknown ben: also nice that people are looking into trackback. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:18:30 <msporny> ... as a use for RDFa.

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Unknown msporny: ... as a use for RDFa.

16:18:51 <msporny> topic: non-prefixed @rel/@rev and reserved words.

2. non-prefixed @rel/@rev and reserved words.

16:19:11 <msporny> do I need to use "Topic:" instead of "topic:"?

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Unknown msporny: do I need to use "Topic:" instead of "topic:"?

16:19:20 <msporny> ben: we need to understand the end-effect.

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Unknown ben: we need to understand the end-effect. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:19:26 <msporny> ... I think we are in agreement at this point.

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Unknown msporny: ... I think we are in agreement at this point.

16:19:45 <msporny> ... @rel/@rev, when it is a reserved XHTML word, it should generate a proper triple.

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Unknown msporny: ... @rel/@rev, when it is a reserved XHTML word, it should generate a proper triple.

16:20:10 <msporny> ... non-prefixed XHTML words should be ignored.

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Unknown msporny: ... non-prefixed XHTML words should be ignored.

16:20:37 <benadida> PROPOSAL: @rel/@rev non-prefixed values other than reserved keywords are ignored. Reserved keywords resolve to vocab#[keyword].

PROPOSED: @rel/@rev non-prefixed values other than reserved keywords are ignored. Reserved keywords resolve to vocab#[keyword].

16:21:00 <msporny> steven: with the release of HTML5, they have new @rel values

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Unknown steven: with the release of HTML5, they have new @rel values [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:21:11 <msporny> michael: can we decouple that?

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Unknown michael: can we decouple that? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:21:32 <msporny> ben: they do have their own DOCTYPE, so will probably have to tweak a few things.

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Unknown ben: they do have their own DOCTYPE, so will probably have to tweak a few things. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ]

16:22:18 <msporny> how do I note that a proposal passes?

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Unknown msporny: how do I note that a proposal passes?

16:22:45 <mhausenblas> +1

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Unknown mhausenblas: +1

16:23:25 <msporny> RESOLVED: @rel/@rev non-prefixed values other than reserved keywords are ignored. Reserved keywords resolve to vocab#[keyword].

RESOLVED: @rel/@rev non-prefixed values other than reserved keywords are ignored. Reserved keywords resolve to vocab#[keyword].

16:23:41 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to update tracker with todays resolutions.

ACTION: Ben to update tracker with todays resolutions.

16:24:02 <Ralph> scribenick: ralph

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16:24:11 <Ralph> Topic: test cases

3. test cases

16:24:13 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0252.html

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Unknown msporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0252.html

16:24:21 <Ralph> -- test 76

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Unknown Ralph: -- test 76

16:24:40 <Ralph> Manu: test 76 checks every one of the @rel reserved values that we currently know

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Unknown Manu: test 76 checks every one of the @rel reserved values that we currently know [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:25:22 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0252.html

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16:25:30 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 76 approved

RESOLVED: test 76 approved

16:26:11 <Ralph> Manu: the Syntax doc mentioned 'start' but no 'end' or 'last'

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Unknown Manu: the Syntax doc mentioned 'start' but no 'end' or 'last' [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:26:23 <Ralph> ... is that ok?

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Unknown Ralph: ... is that ok?

16:26:43 <Ralph> Mark: I think it would be handy; does it hurt?

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Unknown Mark: I think it would be handy; does it hurt? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:27:17 <Ralph> ... also consider putting the GRDDL value in

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Unknown Ralph: ... also consider putting the GRDDL value in

16:27:27 <Ralph> Ben: but the GRDDL relation is in a different namespace

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Unknown Ben: but the GRDDL relation is in a different namespace [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:27:44 <Ralph> Mark: oh, right.

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Unknown Mark: oh, right. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:27:56 <Ralph> ... should we test for unrecognized values not generating triples?

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Unknown Ralph: ... should we test for unrecognized values not generating triples?

16:28:19 <Ralph> Manu: we don't test for spurious triples; we've said those don't go into the default graph

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Unknown Manu: we don't test for spurious triples; we've said those don't go into the default graph [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:28:23 <Steven> I agree with including 'last'

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Unknown Steven: I agree with including 'last'

16:28:49 <Ralph> Michael: we do have a way to say that the 'pass' result is that the query returns no result

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Unknown Michael: we do have a way to say that the 'pass' result is that the query returns no result [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:29:50 <Ralph> Ben: I thought we'd decided to ignore extra triples

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Unknown Ben: I thought we'd decided to ignore extra triples [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:30:09 <Ralph> Mark: during that discussion, Ben made a strong case for "these triples and only these triples"

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Unknown Mark: during that discussion, Ben made a strong case for "these triples and only these triples" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:30:19 <Ralph> ... so we came up with the "default graph" notion

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Unknown Ralph: ... so we came up with the "default graph" notion

16:30:40 <Ralph> ... the draft was reworded from "no triples shall be generated" to "no triples shall be added to the default graph"

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Unknown Ralph: ... the draft was reworded from "no triples shall be generated" to "no triples shall be added to the default graph"

16:30:53 <Steven> I oppose nofollow

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Unknown Steven: I oppose nofollow

16:31:22 <Ralph> Ben: propose adding another test for non-reserved values; this would be a negative test

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Unknown Ben: propose adding another test for non-reserved values; this would be a negative test [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:31:29 <Ralph> ... 'nofollow' would be in the negative set

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Unknown Ralph: ... 'nofollow' would be in the negative set

16:31:43 <Ralph> Manu: should we add 'last'?

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Unknown Manu: should we add 'last'? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:31:51 <Ralph> q+

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Unknown Ralph: q+

16:32:05 <Steven> I agree with Ben there

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Unknown Steven: I agree with Ben there

16:32:13 <Ralph> Ben: I think this is for the XHTML2 WG to decide, not this TF

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Unknown Ben: I think this is for the XHTML2 WG to decide, not this TF [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:32:49 <Ralph> [Ralph] I agree, out of scope for us

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Unknown Ralph: [Ralph] I agree, out of scope for us

16:32:58 <Ralph> Shane: any objections here from the XHTML2 WG folk?

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Unknown Shane: any objections here from the XHTML2 WG folk? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:33:16 <Ralph> ... we'll recommend to the XHTML2 WG to add 'last'

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Unknown Ralph: ... we'll recommend to the XHTML2 WG to add 'last'

16:33:29 <Ralph> -- test 77

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Unknown Ralph: -- test 77

16:33:34 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0253.html

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Unknown msporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0253.html

16:33:41 <markbirbeck> Mark: Pointing out that once these are added, they are usable everywhere, not just in <head>. So they would help in lists of any items, for example.

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Unknown Mark: Pointing out that once these are added, they are usable everywhere, not just in <head>. So they would help in lists of any items, for example. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown markbirbeck ]

16:33:43 <Ralph> Manu: test 77 tests the reserved words in @rev

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Unknown Manu: test 77 tests the reserved words in @rev [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:34:31 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 77 accepted

RESOLVED: test 77 accepted

16:35:14 <msporny> scribenick: msporny

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(Scribe set to Unknown msporny)

16:35:16 <Ralph> Manu: not sure we reviewed test 17

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Unknown Manu: not sure we reviewed test 17 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

16:35:27 <Ralph> Topic: Chaining

4. Chaining

16:35:30 <msporny> Topic: Chaining

5. Chaining

16:35:44 <msporny> err, should I take over, Ralph?

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err, should I take over, Ralph?

16:35:59 <benadida> --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0257.html

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Unknown benadida: --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0257.html

16:36:15 <msporny> Ben: There is an e-mail from mark summarizing the issues:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0257.html

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Unknown Ben: There is an e-mail from mark summarizing the issues: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0257.html

16:36:27 <msporny> ... rel and rev issues, which we just addressed.

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... rel and rev issues, which we just addressed.

16:36:38 <msporny> ... @src/@href/@resource to complete triples.

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... @src/@href/@resource to complete triples.

16:36:59 <msporny> ... should we go in order that they're stated in the e-mail?

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... should we go in order that they're stated in the e-mail?

16:37:14 <msporny> mark: if everybody agrees to the generic chaining thing, there is nothing to discuss...

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Unknown mark: if everybody agrees to the generic chaining thing, there is nothing to discuss...

16:37:37 <msporny> ... if everybody doesn't agree, we have a list of individual items we can talk about.

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... if everybody doesn't agree, we have a list of individual items we can talk about.

16:37:52 <msporny> ... you could break it down further

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... you could break it down further

16:38:05 <msporny> Ralph, am I the current scribe? (don't know how to check)

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Ralph, am I the current scribe? (don't know how to check)

16:38:30 <msporny> ben: lets proceed optimistically, see what the opinions are on the first issue.

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Unknown ben: lets proceed optimistically, see what the opinions are on the first issue.

16:38:37 <msporny> ben: if not, we'll slice it down.

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Unknown ben: if not, we'll slice it down.

16:38:58 <msporny> mark: closing statements - we have a general algorithm on the table

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Unknown mark: closing statements - we have a general algorithm on the table

16:39:26 <msporny> mark: @instanceof always applies to a subject.

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Unknown mark: @instanceof always applies to a subject.

16:39:38 <msporny> ... we have things to set the subject, @about/@href/@src.

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... we have things to set the subject, @about/@href/@src.

16:40:01 <msporny> ... based on a @rel, subjects either slide left or right of the @rel.

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... based on a @rel, subjects either slide left or right of the @rel.

16:40:32 <msporny> ... if we have general rules, we might have some wierd stuff going on.

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... if we have general rules, we might have some wierd stuff going on.

16:40:38 <msporny> ben: I think Mark's proposal is very consistent.

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Unknown ben: I think Mark's proposal is very consistent.

16:40:50 <msporny> ... my least preferred option is to mix my model and Mark's model.

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... my least preferred option is to mix my model and Mark's model.

16:41:00 <msporny> ... there is a different model to interpret chaining,

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... there is a different model to interpret chaining,

16:41:07 <msporny> ... @href doesn't complete a hanging rel.

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... @href doesn't complete a hanging rel.

16:41:23 <msporny> ... the only time you have it chaining is with @about.

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... the only time you have it chaining is with @about.

16:41:39 <msporny> ... my worry is that with attributes shifting left/right, and @href becoming the subject of @property

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... my worry is that with attributes shifting left/right, and @href becoming the subject of @property

16:41:45 <msporny> ... it will become more confusing.

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... it will become more confusing.

16:42:10 <msporny> ben: any questions?

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Unknown ben: any questions?

16:42:32 <msporny> ralph: wondering if there is a summary in a single place showing side-effects of decisions.

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Unknown ralph: wondering if there is a summary in a single place showing side-effects of decisions.

16:42:47 <msporny> ben: not really, not as complete...

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Unknown ben: not really, not as complete...

16:42:56 <msporny> ... Mark's e-mail is a fair summary of what is going on.

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... Mark's e-mail is a fair summary of what is going on.

16:43:11 <msporny> ben: do folks feel confident in the understanding of what is going on?

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Unknown ben: do folks feel confident in the understanding of what is going on?

16:43:14 <msporny> ralph: nope

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Unknown ralph: nope

16:43:17 <msporny> michael: yep

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Unknown michael: yep

16:43:19 <msporny> Manu: yep

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Unknown Manu: yep

16:43:36 <msporny> ben: let's start with @href/@resource completing hanging @rel.

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Unknown ben: let's start with @href/@resource completing hanging @rel.

16:43:40 <benadida> <div about="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me" rel="foaf:knows">

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Unknown benadida: <div about="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me" rel="foaf:knows">

16:43:40 <benadida>     <a href="#mark">Mark</a> and <a href="#ben">Ben</a>.

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Unknown benadida: <a href="#mark">Mark</a> and <a href="#ben">Ben</a>.

16:43:40 <benadida>     Note how I'm using <a href="http://foaf.org">FOAF</a> here.

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Unknown benadida: Note how I'm using <a href="http://foaf.org">FOAF</a> here.

16:43:40 <benadida>   </div>

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Unknown benadida: </div>

16:45:27 <msporny> manu: I'm for @href/@resource completing hanging @rel.

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Unknown manu: I'm for @href/@resource completing hanging @rel.

16:45:33 <msporny> michael: yes, for it.

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Unknown michael: yes, for it.

16:45:42 <msporny> steven: I can live with either, abstain.

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Unknown steven: I can live with either, abstain.

16:45:50 <msporny> shane: I'm abstaining.

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Unknown shane: I'm abstaining.

16:45:58 <msporny> ralph: No problem with either, abstain.

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Unknown ralph: No problem with either, abstain.

16:46:35 <msporny> ben: i would object, but I would be the only one.

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Unknown ben: i would object, but I would be the only one.

16:46:47 <msporny> ben: no reason for me to object at this point.

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Unknown ben: no reason for me to object at this point.

16:46:52 <msporny> ... as chair, I'm very happy.

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... as chair, I'm very happy.

16:47:14 <benadida> PROPOSAL: @href/@resource complete hanging @rel's

PROPOSED: @href/@resource complete hanging @rel's

16:47:20 <msporny> RESOLVED: @href/@resource complete hanging @rel's.

RESOLVED: @href/@resource complete hanging @rel's.

16:47:36 <msporny> ben: rel="", should that shut it off?

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Unknown ben: rel="", should that shut it off?

16:47:52 <msporny> mark: it works... would we promote it?

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Unknown mark: it works... would we promote it?

16:48:08 <msporny> ralph: do the implementations naturally do that?

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Unknown ralph: do the implementations naturally do that?

16:48:29 <msporny> ben: we should tell people to push hanging rel as deep down as possible.

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Unknown ben: we should tell people to push hanging rel as deep down as possible.

16:48:42 <msporny> ben: an extra rel should instantiate a bnode?

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Unknown ben: an extra rel should instantiate a bnode?

16:49:34 <msporny> mark: what that relies on is that a bnode that doesn't generate a triple, a triple shouldn't be generated for one that's the object.

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Unknown mark: what that relies on is that a bnode that doesn't generate a triple, a triple shouldn't be generated for one that's the object.

16:50:11 <msporny> ralph: rel="" is ugly markup...

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Unknown ralph: rel="" is ugly markup...

16:50:25 <msporny> ben: let's push the issue off until we need it.

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Unknown ben: let's push the issue off until we need it.

16:50:45 <msporny> ralph: let's not include it.

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Unknown ralph: let's not include it.

16:50:55 <msporny> mark: this was never meant to be part of the issue.

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Unknown mark: this was never meant to be part of the issue.

16:51:30 <msporny> ben: there are different ways to solve the issue.

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Unknown ben: there are different ways to solve the issue.

16:51:50 <msporny> ben: anybody that really wants rel=""?

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Unknown ben: anybody that really wants rel=""?

16:51:59 <msporny> ben: seeing none, let's move on then.

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Unknown ben: seeing none, let's move on then.

16:52:13 <msporny> Topic: @href/@resource become subjects?

6. @href/@resource become subjects?

16:52:44 <msporny> ralph: what about @src?

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Unknown ralph: what about @src?

16:52:55 <msporny> ben: any rules that we make about @href/@resource would apply to @src.

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Unknown ben: any rules that we make about @href/@resource would apply to @src.

16:53:48 <msporny> ben: if @src is equivalent to @href/@resource, it will complete triples. Same for @about equivalency.

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Unknown ben: if @src is equivalent to @href/@resource, it will complete triples. Same for @about equivalency.

16:54:02 <msporny> ben: two proposals: @src behaves like @about, or @src behaves like @resource.

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Unknown ben: two proposals: @src behaves like @about, or @src behaves like @resource.

16:54:35 <benadida> <img src="thumbnail.jpg" rel="smallerVersionOf" href="big.jpg" />

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Unknown benadida: <img src="thumbnail.jpg" rel="smallerVersionOf" href="big.jpg" />

16:54:37 <msporny> ... the only part where it makes a difference is where you want to relate information for an IMG element.

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... the only part where it makes a difference is where you want to relate information for an IMG element.

16:54:48 <Ralph> [I understand "behaves like" to be "chains like"]

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Unknown Ralph: [I understand "behaves like" to be "chains like"]

16:55:00 <msporny> mark: is it worth voting now should include @src?

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Unknown mark: is it worth voting now should include @src?

16:55:16 <msporny> ben: two proposals: @src chains like @about, or @src chains like @resource (CORRECTION)

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Unknown ben: two proposals: @src chains like @about, or @src chains like @resource (CORRECTION)

16:56:05 <msporny> ben: do we want to be able to be able to plop in a predicate with @src?

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Unknown ben: do we want to be able to be able to plop in a predicate with @src?

16:56:24 <msporny> +1 for @src behaving like @about

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+1 for @src behaving like @about

16:56:36 <msporny> ack, +1 for @src chaining like @about.

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ack, +1 for @src chaining like @about.

16:57:16 <msporny> mark: to clarify - if you put a div above the img you get several types of goodness.

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Unknown mark: to clarify - if you put a div above the img you get several types of goodness.

16:57:17 <benadida> <div about="#me" rel="foaf:img">

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Unknown benadida: <div about="#me" rel="foaf:img">

16:57:33 <benadida>   <img src="ben.jpg" rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/3.0/" />

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Unknown benadida: <img src="ben.jpg" rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/3.0/" />

16:57:34 <benadida> </div>

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Unknown benadida: </div>

16:57:44 <msporny> ... like being able to note a license, or have @instanceof apply to the @src

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... like being able to note a license, or have @instanceof apply to the @src

16:57:45 <markbirbeck> +1

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Unknown markbirbeck: +1

16:57:45 <msporny> +1

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+1

16:57:57 <ShaneM>  +1

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Unknown ShaneM: +1

16:58:04 <msporny> manu: I agree, @src should chain like @about. +1

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Unknown manu: I agree, @src should chain like @about. +1

16:58:07 <msporny> mark: +1

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Unknown mark: +1

16:58:10 <msporny> shane: +1

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Unknown shane: +1

16:58:15 <msporny> michael: +1

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Unknown michael: +1

16:58:36 <msporny> steven: I have a small problem with it...

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Unknown steven: I have a small problem with it...

16:59:04 <msporny> steven: no problem with this, but we discussed using @src a long time ago - found a problem, but I can't remember what the problem is.

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Unknown steven: no problem with this, but we discussed using @src a long time ago - found a problem, but I can't remember what the problem is.

16:59:07 <msporny> steven: abstain

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Unknown steven: abstain

16:59:35 <Ralph> we're asking whether the triple <ben.jpb> <xhtml:license> <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/3.0/> ?

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Unknown Ralph: we're asking whether the triple <ben.jpb> <xhtml:license> <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/3.0/> ?

17:00:24 <benadida> <img about="#me" rel="foaf:img" src="ben.jpg" />

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Unknown benadida: <img about="#me" rel="foaf:img" src="ben.jpg" />

17:00:32 <msporny> ralph: don't quite see the issue... based on how the question is worded.

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Unknown ralph: don't quite see the issue... based on how the question is worded.

17:00:56 <markbirbeck> <img about="#me" rel="license" src="ben.jpg" />

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Unknown markbirbeck: <img about="#me" rel="license" src="ben.jpg" />

17:00:59 <msporny> ralph: I thought we had already decided this once before.

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Unknown ralph: I thought we had already decided this once before.

17:01:15 <msporny> ben: we did, but when Mark explained the chaining model, we could move @src to left.

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Unknown ben: we did, but when Mark explained the chaining model, we could move @src to left.

17:01:27 <msporny> ralph: so this is a significant change from the previous model?

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Unknown ralph: so this is a significant change from the previous model?

17:01:42 <msporny> ralph: both ben and mark seem to be happy with it.

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Unknown ralph: both ben and mark seem to be happy with it.

17:01:47 <msporny> ben: any other comments?

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Unknown ben: any other comments?

17:01:58 <benadida> PROPOSAL: @src behaves like @about and is overridden by @about

PROPOSED: @src behaves like @about and is overridden by @about

17:02:06 <msporny> +1

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+1

17:02:19 <mhausenblas> +1

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Unknown mhausenblas: +1

17:02:22 <markbirbeck> s/<img about="#me" rel="license" src="ben.jpg" \/>/<img about="http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/3.0\/" rel="license" src="ben.jpg" \/>/

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Unknown markbirbeck: s/<img about="#me" rel="license" src="ben.jpg" \/>/<img about="http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/3.0\/" rel="license" src="ben.jpg" \/>/ (warning: replacement failed)

17:02:35 <msporny> manu: +1

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Unknown manu: +1

17:02:37 <msporny> steven: abstains

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Unknown steven: abstains

17:02:48 <msporny> RESOLVED: @src behaves like @about and is overridden by @about

RESOLVED: @src behaves like @about and is overridden by @about

17:03:03 <Steven> Here is my previous mail:

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Unknown Steven: Here is my previous mail:

17:03:05 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jan/0018.html

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Unknown Steven: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jan/0018.html

17:03:56 <msporny> ben: lets go on for another 5-10 minutes, since we're getting close to time running out.

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Unknown ben: lets go on for another 5-10 minutes, since we're getting close to time running out.

17:04:07 <markbirbeck> s/rel="license: src="ben.jpg"/rev="license" src="ben.jpg"/

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Unknown markbirbeck: s/rel="license: src="ben.jpg"/rev="license" src="ben.jpg"/ (warning: replacement failed)

17:04:19 <msporny> Topic: @href/@resource as subject

7. @href/@resource as subject

17:04:29 <benadida> <a href="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me" property="foaf:name">

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Unknown benadida: <a href="http://www.w3.org/people/ivan#me" property="foaf:name">

17:04:30 <benadida>         Ivan

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Unknown benadida: Ivan

17:04:30 <benadida>       </a>

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Unknown benadida: </a>

17:04:35 <msporny> ben: when @href/@resource is on an element, should @property apply to that @href?

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Unknown ben: when @href/@resource is on an element, should @property apply to that @href?

17:04:58 <benadida> <div about="#me" rel="foaf:knows">

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Unknown benadida: <div about="#me" rel="foaf:knows">

17:05:08 <benadida>    <span href="#mark" property="foaf:name">Mark</span>

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Unknown benadida: <span href="#mark" property="foaf:name">Mark</span>

17:05:09 <benadida> </div>

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Unknown benadida: </div>

17:05:40 <msporny> ben: since we have agreed that @href chains like @about, then we have to agree that @href can set subject.

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Unknown ben: since we have agreed that @href chains like @about, then we have to agree that @href can set subject.

17:05:43 <markbirbeck> +1

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Unknown markbirbeck: +1

17:05:45 <msporny> ben: mark any additions?

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Unknown ben: mark any additions?

17:05:47 <msporny> mark: +1

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Unknown mark: +1

17:05:49 <msporny> +1

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+1

17:05:59 <msporny> manu: +1

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Unknown manu: +1

17:06:06 <Steven> s/peopel/people/
17:06:08 <msporny> ralph: I feel less comfortable about this....

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Unknown ralph: I feel less comfortable about this....

17:06:19 <benadida> <a href="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me">

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Unknown benadida: <a href="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me">

17:06:20 <markbirbeck> I met with

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Unknown markbirbeck: I met with

17:06:20 <benadida>         <span property="foaf:name">Ivan</span>

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Unknown benadida: <span property="foaf:name">Ivan</span>

17:06:20 <markbirbeck>       <a href="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me">

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Unknown markbirbeck: <a href="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me">

17:06:20 <benadida>       </a>

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Unknown benadida: </a>

17:06:20 <markbirbeck>         <span property="foaf:name">Ivan</span>

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Unknown markbirbeck: <span property="foaf:name">Ivan</span>

17:06:20 <markbirbeck>       </a>

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Unknown markbirbeck: </a>

17:06:20 <markbirbeck>       Ivan the other day.

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Unknown markbirbeck: Ivan the other day.

17:06:23 <msporny> mark: there is an e-mail to the list with an example...

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Unknown mark: there is an e-mail to the list with an example...

17:07:03 <msporny> mark: we're saying that @href completes hanging triples, it sets the subject for any contained element.

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Unknown mark: we're saying that @href completes hanging triples, it sets the subject for any contained element.

17:07:33 <msporny> ... maybe we should change what we're talking about.

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... maybe we should change what we're talking about.

17:07:59 <msporny> ... what we're voting on... if we vote on if @href should set property, everything else falls into place.

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... what we're voting on... if we vote on if @href should set property, everything else falls into place.

17:08:17 <msporny> ralph: if mark and ben are happy, then I may be happy.

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Unknown ralph: if mark and ben are happy, then I may be happy.

17:09:27 <msporny> mark: the general thing about all of this is that what happens when you add/remove @href/@about... is it consistent.

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Unknown mark: the general thing about all of this is that what happens when you add/remove @href/@about... is it consistent.

17:09:37 <msporny> ralph: if it is consistent, then that's good.

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Unknown ralph: if it is consistent, then that's good.

17:09:42 <msporny> ben: any other comments?

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Unknown ben: any other comments?

17:09:48 <msporny> manu: +1

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Unknown manu: +1

17:09:51 <mhausenblas> +1

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Unknown mhausenblas: +1

17:09:56 <msporny> michael: +1

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Unknown michael: +1

17:10:05 <msporny> shane: abstain

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Unknown shane: abstain

17:10:24 <msporny> steven: don't like it, but don't want to block us... abstain.

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Unknown steven: don't like it, but don't want to block us... abstain.

17:10:25 <msporny> ben: +1

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Unknown ben: +1

17:10:28 <msporny> mark: +1

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Unknown mark: +1

17:10:46 <msporny> ben: my +1 is based on the previous decision, I value the consistency above all else.

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Unknown ben: my +1 is based on the previous decision, I value the consistency above all else.

17:10:51 <Ralph> ralph: abstain

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Unknown ralph: abstain [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

17:10:57 <msporny> ralph: abstain

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Unknown ralph: abstain

17:11:07 <benadida> PROPOSAL: @href without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @property on the same element.

PROPOSED: @href without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @property on the same element.

17:11:24 <msporny> mark: @href and @resource.

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Unknown mark: @href and @resource.

17:11:24 <benadida> PROPOSAL: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @property on the same element.

PROPOSED: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @property on the same element.

17:11:38 <msporny> RESOLVED: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @property on the same element.

RESOLVED: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @property on the same element.

17:11:53 <msporny> ben: last issue for the day?

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Unknown ben: last issue for the day?

17:12:03 <benadida> <a href="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me" instanceof="foaf:Person">

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Unknown benadida: <a href="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me" instanceof="foaf:Person">

17:12:03 <benadida>     <span property="foaf:name">Ivan</span>

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Unknown benadida: <span property="foaf:name">Ivan</span>

17:12:03 <benadida>   </a>

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Unknown benadida: </a>

17:12:33 <msporny> Topic: If subject of @property should be @href, shouldn't @instanceof follow?

8. If subject of @property should be @href, shouldn't @instanceof follow?

17:12:48 <msporny> manu: doesn't like it, but isn't going to say anything.

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Unknown manu: doesn't like it, but isn't going to say anything.

17:12:53 <msporny> :)

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:)

17:14:37 <msporny> ben: it would be wierd if @property applied to @href, but @instanceof didn't.

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Unknown ben: it would be wierd if @property applied to @href, but @instanceof didn't.

17:14:44 <msporny> steven: I need to think about this more.

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Unknown steven: I need to think about this more.

17:14:56 <msporny> manu: I think @instanceof should apply to @about and @src only.

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Unknown manu: I think @instanceof should apply to @about and @src only.

17:14:57 <Ralph> Ralph: I think @instanceof should work like @property, so whichever choice makes that work is what I want :)

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Unknown Ralph: I think @instanceof should work like @property, so whichever choice makes that work is what I want :) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ]

17:15:22 <msporny> manu: abstain

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Unknown manu: abstain

17:15:27 <mhausenblas> +1

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Unknown mhausenblas: +1

17:15:33 <msporny> michael: +1

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Unknown michael: +1

17:15:47 <msporny> steven: abstain

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Unknown steven: abstain

17:15:57 <msporny> steven: as long as I can send in last call comments.

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Unknown steven: as long as I can send in last call comments.

17:16:12 <msporny> ralph: I don't want to revisit @class :)

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Unknown ralph: I don't want to revisit @class :)

17:16:18 <msporny> mark: We need to finish this.

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Unknown mark: We need to finish this.

17:16:32 <msporny> *scuffle*

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*scuffle*

17:17:24 <msporny> ralph: If we talk about this more, it should be new data.

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Unknown ralph: If we talk about this more, it should be new data.

17:17:34 <msporny> ben: in the interest in getting to last call, I'd like to take a vote.

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Unknown ben: in the interest in getting to last call, I'd like to take a vote.

17:17:43 <msporny> ... I'm fine with you bringing up new information at last call.

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... I'm fine with you bringing up new information at last call.

17:18:11 <msporny> mark: let's put the vote off...

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Unknown mark: let's put the vote off...

17:18:33 <msporny> steven: I don't like @instanceof...

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Unknown steven: I don't like @instanceof...

17:18:39 <msporny> ralph: we can't drop @instanceof

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Unknown ralph: we can't drop @instanceof

17:18:54 <msporny> ralph: at this point...

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Unknown ralph: at this point...

17:19:10 <msporny> ben: we've resolved alot of good things at this point.

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Unknown ben: we've resolved alot of good things at this point.

17:19:56 <msporny> steven: we need to get to last call, willing to abstain on this issue.

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Unknown steven: we need to get to last call, willing to abstain on this issue.

17:20:09 <msporny> ben: Chair notes that steven may bring up new information at last call.

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Unknown ben: Chair notes that steven may bring up new information at last call.

17:20:22 <msporny> shane: abstain

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Unknown shane: abstain

17:20:42 <msporny> ben: 3 abstained from the vote.

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Unknown ben: 3 abstained from the vote.

17:21:00 <benadida> PROPOSAL: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @instanceof on same element.

PROPOSED: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @instanceof on same element.

17:21:05 <msporny> RESOLVED: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @instanceof on same element.

RESOLVED: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @instanceof on same element.

17:21:36 <msporny> ben: can you spend some time on the spec to bring it up to snuff?

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Unknown ben: can you spend some time on the spec to bring it up to snuff?

17:21:37 <msporny> mark: yes

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Unknown mark: yes

17:21:46 <msporny> ben: I'm very excited that we're getting close to last call.

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Unknown ben: I'm very excited that we're getting close to last call.

17:21:56 <msporny> ben: I will work on my implementation... any closing comments?

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Unknown ben: I will work on my implementation... any closing comments?

17:23:22 <msporny> ben: end of call, let's look at Mark's latest draft when it comes out. Steven/Shane we need to have XHTML working group review before last call.

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Unknown ben: end of call, let's look at Mark's latest draft when it comes out. Steven/Shane we need to have XHTML working group review before last call.

17:23:41 <msporny> ben: draft by tomorrow, mark?

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Unknown ben: draft by tomorrow, mark?

17:23:43 <msporny> mark: yep

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Unknown mark: yep

17:23:48 <Zakim> -mhausenblas

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Zakim IRC Bot: -mhausenblas

17:23:49 <Zakim> -Steven

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven

17:23:50 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

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Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck

17:23:52 <msporny> help Ralph!?

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help Ralph!?

17:23:53 <msporny> :)

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:)

17:24:08 <Ralph> zakim, list attendees

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Unknown Ralph: zakim, list attendees

17:24:08 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Steven, Ralph, mhausenblas, Manu, Ben, ShaneM, markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Steven, Ralph, mhausenblas, Manu, Ben, ShaneM, markbirbeck

17:24:14 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM

17:24:20 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes

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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, please draft minutes

17:24:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

17:26:47 <Zakim> -Manu

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17:26:48 <Zakim> -Ralph

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Ralph

17:26:55 <Zakim> -Ben

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Ben

17:27:01 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

17:27:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, Ralph, mhausenblas, Manu, Ben, ShaneM, markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Steven, Ralph, mhausenblas, Manu, Ben, ShaneM, markbirbeck

18:43:46 <Ralph> zakim, bye

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Unknown Ralph: zakim, bye

18:43:47 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye

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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, bye

18:43:47 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-actions.rdf :

18:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [1]

ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [1]

18:43:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-15-50

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18:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [2]

ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] [2]

18:43:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-16-07

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18:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [3]

ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02] [3]

18:43:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-17-07

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18:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [4]

ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [4]

18:43:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-17-30

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18:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [5]

ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] [5]

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18:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [6]

ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [6]

18:43:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-18-00

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18:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to update tracker with todays resolutions. [7]

ACTION: Ben to update tracker with todays resolutions. [7]

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