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RDFa Task Force

Minutes of 06 December 2007

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0018.html

Seen

Unknown McCarron, Unknown Ralph, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown Simone, Unknown benadida, Unknown msporny

Regrets

Unknown Mark

Chair

Unknown Ben

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

None.

Topics

Update on CURIE spec
Follow-your-Nose
Action Review
@instanceof

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15:55:25 <Ralph> zakim, this will be rdfa

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15:55:25 <Zakim> ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

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15:58:29 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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15:58:31 <Zakim> +??P7

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15:58:44 <msporny> zakim, I am p7

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15:58:53 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P7

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15:58:53 <Zakim> +msporny; got it

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15:59:07 <msporny> Hi Ralph :)

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16:00:25 <msporny> hi Simone :)

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16:00:44 <Simone> hi :)

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16:00:46 <Zakim> +McCarron

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16:01:04 <Simone> Zakim, passcode?

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16:01:11 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Simone

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16:01:23 <Simone> Zakim, Thanks

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16:02:15 <Zakim> +Ralph

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16:02:32 <Ralph> Meeting: RDFa Task Force

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16:03:22 <Simone> Zakim, ??P24

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16:03:24 <Simone> Zakim, ??P24 is me

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16:03:24 <Zakim> +Simone; got it

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16:03:31 <Zakim> +benadida

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16:04:16 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes previous 2007-11-15

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16:04:23 <Ralph> zakim, mute simone

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16:04:23 <Zakim> Simone should now be muted

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16:04:44 <Ralph> Regrets: Mark

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16:05:06 <Ralph> Regrets+ Michael

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16:05:22 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0018.html

16:05:37 <Ralph> zakim, who's on the call?

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16:05:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see msporny, McCarron, Ralph, Simone (muted), benadida

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16:08:00 <Ralph> Topic: Update on CURIE spec

1. Update on CURIE spec

16:08:11 <Ralph> Shane: the XHTML2 WG is producing a CURIE spec independently

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Unknown Shane: the XHTML2 WG is producing a CURIE spec independently [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:08:55 <Ralph> ... there was an objection to the XHTML2 WG publishing FPWD of another spec because it inlined CURIE normatively

Unknown Ralph: ... there was an objection to the XHTML2 WG publishing FPWD of another spec because it inlined CURIE normatively ←

16:09:13 <Ralph> ... so we decided to update the CURIE WD

Unknown Ralph: ... so we decided to update the CURIE WD ←

16:09:25 <Ralph> ... this doesn't impact RDFa-syntax for the moment

Unknown Ralph: ... this doesn't impact RDFa-syntax for the moment ←

16:09:41 <Ralph> ... just notice that XHTML2 WG is pushing forward CURIE

Unknown Ralph: ... just notice that XHTML2 WG is pushing forward CURIE ←

16:10:11 <Ralph> ... so long as the content [between RDFa-syntax and CURIE WD] is identical, I don't think we have a problem

Unknown Ralph: ... so long as the content [between RDFa-syntax and CURIE WD] is identical, I don't think we have a problem ←

16:10:27 <Ralph> ... it would be an editorial change to refer normatively to a separate CURIE WD

Unknown Ralph: ... it would be an editorial change to refer normatively to a separate CURIE WD ←

16:10:52 <Ralph> ... this TF has said it does not want to be dependent on a separate CURIE spec

Unknown Ralph: ... this TF has said it does not want to be dependent on a separate CURIE spec ←

16:11:18 <Ralph> ... the TAG has formal comments on CURIE

Unknown Ralph: ... the TAG has formal comments on CURIE ←

16:12:14 <Ralph> ... I've added to the intro in the current CURIE editor's draft

Unknown Ralph: ... I've added to the intro in the current CURIE editor's draft ←

16:13:01 <Ralph> Ben: one of the sticking points seemed to be what to do if an attribute could contain either URI or CURIE

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Unknown Ben: one of the sticking points seemed to be what to do if an attribute could contain either URI or CURIE [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:13:21 <Ralph> Shane: yes, and we don't want to break legacy markup

Unknown Shane: yes, and we don't want to break legacy markup [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:13:34 <Ralph> ... another concern was about the use of namespaces as prefix mechanisms

Unknown Ralph: ... another concern was about the use of namespaces as prefix mechanisms ←

16:13:39 <Ralph> ... I think we have a good story there

Unknown Ralph: ... I think we have a good story there ←

16:14:31 <Ralph> Topic: Follow-your-Nose

2. Follow-your-Nose

16:14:46 <Ralph> Shane: in an XHTML2 WG call yesterday the question came up ...

Unknown Shane: in an XHTML2 WG call yesterday the question came up ... [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:15:23 <Ralph> ... one user discovered it was hard to find the vocabularies [from a document]

Unknown Ralph: ... one user discovered it was hard to find the vocabularies [from a document] ←

16:15:32 <Ralph> Manu: that's a document usability concern

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Unknown Manu: that's a document usability concern [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:15:51 <Ralph> Ben: but it's also philosophical; we don't want to say "these are all the vocabularies you can use"

Unknown Ben: but it's also philosophical; we don't want to say "these are all the vocabularies you can use" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:16:13 <Ralph> Shane: but the namespace URIs we use in the example don't give readable HTML documents

Unknown Shane: but the namespace URIs we use in the example don't give readable HTML documents [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:16:32 <Ralph> ... maybe FOAF redirects, but vCard and geotagging don't

Unknown Ralph: ... maybe FOAF redirects, but vCard and geotagging don't ←

16:17:09 <Ralph> ... Ralph pointed me at the Recipes document http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-vocab-pub/

Unknown Ralph: ... Ralph pointed me at the Recipes document http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-vocab-pub/ ←

16:17:20 <Ralph> ... this made the complainer happy

Unknown Ralph: ... this made the complainer happy ←

16:17:31 <Ralph> ... so getting the examples in the Primer to be good examples [would help]

Unknown Ralph: ... so getting the examples in the Primer to be good examples [would help] ←

16:17:42 <Ralph> Manu: we need a process for cleaning up the examples

Unknown Manu: we need a process for cleaning up the examples [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:18:11 <Ralph> ... CreativeCommons namespace is a really good example of how to do this right

Unknown Ralph: ... CreativeCommons namespace is a really good example of how to do this right ←

16:18:28 <Ralph> ... it's one of the few you can actually use in a Web browser to get a human-readable page back

Unknown Ralph: ... it's one of the few you can actually use in a Web browser to get a human-readable page back ←

16:18:58 <Ralph> ... common complaint from microformats community is that there aren't human-readable pages at the [RDFa] vocab URIs

Unknown Ralph: ... common complaint from microformats community is that there aren't human-readable pages at the [RDFa] vocab URIs ←

16:19:48 <Ralph> Ben: both FOAF and Dublin Core do redirect to English specifications

Unknown Ben: both FOAF and Dublin Core do redirect to English specifications [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:20:26 <Ralph> ... hmm. right now Dublin Core doesn't redirect

Unknown Ralph: ... hmm. right now Dublin Core doesn't redirect ←

16:20:46 <Zakim> -McCarron

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16:20:47 <Zakim> +ShaneM

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16:23:36 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI

ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI ←

16:28:25 <Ralph> Shane: second part of follow-your-nose is whether @profile is optional or not

Unknown Shane: second part of follow-your-nose is whether @profile is optional or not [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:28:53 <Ralph> ... there should be an announcement mechanism

Unknown Ralph: ... there should be an announcement mechanism ←

16:29:08 <Ralph> ... DOCTYPE doesn't work because none of the XML parsers give you back the doctype

Unknown Ralph: ... DOCTYPE doesn't work because none of the XML parsers give you back the doctype ←

16:29:28 <Ralph> Ben: one of the requirements for RDFa was that people write RDFa in widgets where they don't control the head of the document

Unknown Ben: one of the requirements for RDFa was that people write RDFa in widgets where they don't control the head of the document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:29:53 <Ralph> ... I'm happy to have @profile but reluctant to say that absence of @profile says you shouldn't try to parse RDFa

Unknown Ralph: ... I'm happy to have @profile but reluctant to say that absence of @profile says you shouldn't try to parse RDFa ←

16:31:17 <Ralph> Ralph: architectural issue is whether a document instance is self-documenting

Unknown Ralph: architectural issue is whether a document instance is self-documenting [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:31:36 <Ralph> ... DOCTYPE or @profile are both mechanism to make self-documenting

Unknown Ralph: ... DOCTYPE or @profile are both mechanism to make self-documenting ←

16:32:32 <ShaneM> some attributes trigger triple generation

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Unknown ShaneM: some attributes trigger triple generation ←

16:33:05 <Ralph> Ben: we should leave a grey area where a document that does not have either DOCTYPE or @profile can still be parsed for triples

Unknown Ben: we should leave a grey area where a document that does not have either DOCTYPE or @profile can still be parsed for triples [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:34:09 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose

ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose ←

16:34:19 <Ralph> Ralph: yes, so long as it's the case that there is no use of the RDFa attributes that would NOT generate triples; i.e. no accidental use

Unknown Ralph: yes, so long as it's the case that there is no use of the RDFa attributes that would NOT generate triples; i.e. no accidental use [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:34:28 <Ralph> ... and I think this is currently the case

Unknown Ralph: ... and I think this is currently the case ←

16:34:32 <Ralph> Topic: Action Review

3. Action Review

16:34:47 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes#ActionSummary Action summary

Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes#ActionSummary Action summary ←

16:35:12 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Ben check that browsers do preserve whitespace in attribute values [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

Unknown Ralph: [DONE] ACTION: Ben check that browsers do preserve whitespace in attribute values [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07] ←

16:35:28 <Ralph> Shane: I thought this had to do with _content_, not attribute values

Unknown Shane: I thought this had to do with _content_, not attribute values [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:35:47 <Ralph> ... the XML spec is very clear on the handling of attribute values, though browsers may currently implement incorrectly

Unknown Ralph: ... the XML spec is very clear on the handling of attribute values, though browsers may currently implement incorrectly ←

16:35:59 <Ralph> Ben: we resolved the question w.r.t. content

Unknown Ben: we resolved the question w.r.t. content [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:36:25 <Ralph> ... and we noted the possibility that attributes might be a way to force whitespace preservation if the author needed it

Unknown Ralph: ... and we noted the possibility that attributes might be a way to force whitespace preservation if the author needed it ←

16:37:00 <Ralph> -> ACTION: Ben check that browsers do preserve whitespace in attribute values [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] RE: action on white-space preservation in attributes [Michael]

Unknown Ralph: -> ACTION: Ben check that browsers do preserve whitespace in attribute values [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07] RE: action on white-space preservation in attributes [Michael] ←

16:37:17 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0019.html action on white-space preservation in attributes [Ben]

Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0019.html action on white-space preservation in attributes [Ben] ←

16:37:24 <Ralph> Ben: I need to re-test using the XML declaration

Unknown Ben: I need to re-test using the XML declaration [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:37:31 <Ralph> action CONTINUES

Unknown Ralph: action CONTINUES ←

16:38:27 <Ralph> Ben: if XML mode does canonicalization then our hand is forced

Unknown Ben: if XML mode does canonicalization then our hand is forced [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:38:35 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

16:38:37 <Ralph> -- continues

Unknown Ralph: -- continues ←

16:38:44 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Michael check that HTML spec says to preserve whitespace in attribute values [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]

Unknown Ralph: [DONE] ACTION: Michael check that HTML spec says to preserve whitespace in attribute values [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-08] ←

16:39:32 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0021.html Michael's report

Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0021.html Michael's report ←

16:39:44 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←

16:39:46 <Ralph> -- continues

Unknown Ralph: -- continues ←

16:39:54 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

16:39:56 <Ralph> -- continues

Unknown Ralph: -- continues ←

16:40:03 <Ralph> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←

16:40:06 <Ralph> -- continues

Unknown Ralph: -- continues ←

16:40:40 <Ralph> [Shane reminds us of -> http://www.w3.org/ns/rdfa/ RDFa namespace/profile URI

Unknown Ralph: [Shane reminds us of -> http://www.w3.org/ns/rdfa/ RDFa namespace/profile URI ←

16:40:44 <Ralph> Topic: @instanceof

4. @instanceof

16:41:16 <Ralph> Ben: I think Mark's proposal is better, so I'm withdrawing mine

Unknown Ben: I think Mark's proposal is better, so I'm withdrawing mine [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:41:39 <Ralph> Manu: trel/trev was in case we couldn't agree

Unknown Manu: trel/trev was in case we couldn't agree [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:42:10 <Ralph> ... Mark's proposal is better than trel/trev

Unknown Ralph: ... Mark's proposal is better than trel/trev ←

16:42:55 <Ralph> Ben: Mark makes strong arguments about why this should work

Unknown Ben: Mark makes strong arguments about why this should work [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:43:03 <Ralph> ... it's more consistent w.r.t. chaining

Unknown Ralph: ... it's more consistent w.r.t. chaining ←

16:43:18 <Ralph> ... with hanging @rel it covers the otheruse cases

Unknown Ralph: ... with hanging @rel it covers the otheruse cases ←

16:45:48 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Nov/0053.html Understanding 'chaining' [Mark 2007-11-15]

Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Nov/0053.html Understanding 'chaining' [Mark 2007-11-15] ←

16:46:42 <Ralph> Ben: can't vote today, given regrets, but let's start revising test cases and testing parsers

Unknown Ben: can't vote today, given regrets, but let's start revising test cases and testing parsers [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:46:47 <Ralph> ... let's try to resolve this next week

Unknown Ralph: ... let's try to resolve this next week ←

16:46:47 <ShaneM> Question: are people comfortable adding a conformance requirement that documents MUST have the XML PI <? xml ... >

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Unknown Question: are people comfortable adding a conformance requirement that documents MUST have the XML PI <? xml ... > [ Scribe Assist by Unknown ShaneM ] ←

16:47:05 <Ralph> Manu: I posted two test cases that apply to the new proposal

Unknown Manu: I posted two test cases that apply to the new proposal [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:47:18 <Ralph> ... these address hanging @rel

Unknown Ralph: ... these address hanging @rel ←

16:48:17 <Ralph> Ben: I advocate more tests cases where each is simple rather than fewer complicated tests

Unknown Ben: I advocate more tests cases where each is simple rather than fewer complicated tests [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:48:36 <Ralph> ... more tests is Good

Unknown Ralph: ... more tests is Good ←

16:49:07 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0022.html Two new test cases needed? [Manu]

Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0022.html Two new test cases needed? [Manu] ←

16:49:09 <Simone> When we have test cases I can also mail all implementors to support chaining, so also test cases can be used for exaplmes for people who'll write RDFa :)

Unknown Simone: When we have test cases I can also mail all implementors to support chaining, so also test cases can be used for exaplmes for people who'll write RDFa :) ←

16:49:50 <benadida> ACTION: Manu to put together set of test cases for hanging @rel

ACTION: Manu to put together set of test cases for hanging @rel ←

16:50:12 <Ralph> zakim, mute simone

Unknown Ralph: zakim, mute simone ←

16:50:12 <Zakim> Simone should now be muted

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16:50:23 <Ralph> Manu: the on-hold tests deal with @instanceof

Unknown Manu: the on-hold tests deal with @instanceof [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:50:59 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0023.html On hold test cases [Manu]

Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0023.html On hold test cases [Manu] ←

16:51:08 <benadida> ACTION: Manu to add test cases for @instanceof combined with hanging @rel

ACTION: Manu to add test cases for @instanceof combined with hanging @rel ←

16:54:28 <Ralph> Ben: we have agreement from SWD WG reviewers to start review of new Syntax doc before holidays

Unknown Ben: we have agreement from SWD WG reviewers to start review of new Syntax doc before holidays [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:54:52 <Ralph> Shawn: Last Call before end of year?

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Unknown Shawn: Last Call before end of year? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:55:00 <Ralph> Ben: unlikely, given holidays and review time

Unknown Ben: unlikely, given holidays and review time [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:55:23 <Ralph> ... but I'd like to start Last Call immediately in the new year

Unknown Ralph: ... but I'd like to start Last Call immediately in the new year ←

16:56:07 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0056.html Best Practices Issue: RDF Format Discovery

Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0056.html Best Practices Issue: RDF Format Discovery ←

16:57:19 <Ralph> Shawn: that's Ben's action

Unknown Shawn: responding to Sean Palmer is Ben's action [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:57:32 <Ralph> s/that's/responding to Sean Palmer is/

17:03:47 <Ralph> Ben: Ivan, Elias, and I submitted an RDFa tutorial proposal for WWW2008 and it was accepted

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Unknown Ben: Ivan, Elias, and I submitted an RDFa tutorial proposal for WWW2008 and it was accepted [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

17:05:03 <Ralph> ... Mark wasn't sure if he'd be going to Beijing, so he said he'd help with content but wouldn't be part of the proposal

Unknown Ralph: ... Mark wasn't sure if he'd be going to Beijing, so he said he'd help with content but wouldn't be part of the proposal ←

17:05:14 <Ralph> [adjourned]

Unknown Ralph: [adjourned] ←

17:05:26 <Ralph> Ben: next meeting we'll talk about test cases and vote on @instanceof

Unknown Ben: next meeting we'll talk about test cases and vote on @instanceof [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

17:05:51 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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17:05:52 <Zakim> -msporny

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17:05:53 <Zakim> -benadida

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17:05:54 <Zakim> -Ralph

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17:06:00 <msporny> :)

Unknown msporny: :) ←

17:06:03 <Zakim> -Simone

Zakim IRC Bot: -Simone ←

17:06:04 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended ←

17:06:05 <Zakim> Attendees were msporny, McCarron, Ralph, Simone, benadida, ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were msporny, McCarron, Ralph, Simone, benadida, ShaneM ←

17:06:23 <Ralph> [this is indeed the season (in the northern hemisphere) for chains :)

Unknown Ralph: [this is indeed the season (in the northern hemisphere) for chains :) ←

17:06:33 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes

Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, please draft minutes ←

17:06:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph ←

17:07:00 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public

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17:07:20 <Ralph> zakim, bye

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17:07:28 <Ralph> Chair: Ben

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17:07:38 <Ralph> regrets+ Steven

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17:16:23 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes

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17:16:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph ←

17:16:43 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye

Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, bye ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-actions.rdf : ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [1]

ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [1] ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-23-36

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-23-36 ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [2]

ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [2] ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-34-09

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-34-09 ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [3]

ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [3] ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-38-35

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-38-35 ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [4]

ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] [4] ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-39-44

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-39-44 ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [5]

ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [5] ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-39-54

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-39-54 ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [6]

ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] [6] ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-40-03

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-40-03 ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to put together set of test cases for hanging @rel [7]

ACTION: Manu to put together set of test cases for hanging @rel [7] ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-49-50

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-49-50 ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to add test cases for @instanceof combined with hanging @rel [8]

ACTION: Manu to add test cases for @instanceof combined with hanging @rel [8] ←

17:16:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-51-08

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-irc#T16-51-08 ←

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