Meeting Record

W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2007-10-18, 15:00 UTC

Minutes of 18 October 2007

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0180.html

Seen

Unknown Manu, Unknown Michael_Hausenblas, Unknown Ralph, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown Simone, Unknown benadida, Unknown markbirbeck, Unknown mhausenblas, Unknown msporny

Chair

Unknown Ben

Scribe

Unknown mhausenblas, Unknown ralph

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

test 49 approved link
test 50 approved link
test 52 approved, pending addition of #me link
test 56 accepted, renamed to 1001 link

Topics

Action Items
Test Cases Review and Approval (46-53, 54-56)
State of Documents
Schedule for next Telecons

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14:50:58 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/18-rdfa-irc

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14:51:08 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)

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14:51:08 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes

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14:51:17 <mhausenblas> Meeting: W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2007-10-18, 15:00 UTC

14:51:24 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0180.html

14:51:31 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2007-10-11

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14:51:38 <mhausenblas> Chair: Ben

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14:51:45 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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14:51:51 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public

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14:55:57 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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14:55:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/18-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

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14:57:18 <msporny> or a list of Zakim commands?

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14:57:51 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html Zakim irc bot instructions

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14:58:29 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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14:58:32 <Zakim> +Michael_Hausenblas

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14:59:04 <Zakim> +Ralph

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14:59:06 <Zakim> -Ralph

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14:59:07 <Zakim> +Ralph

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15:02:51 <markbirbeck> zakim, gimme the codes please.

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Unknown markbirbeck: zakim, gimme the codes please. ←

15:02:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'gimme the codes please', markbirbeck

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15:02:55 <Zakim> +??P11

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15:02:57 <markbirbeck> zakim, codes?

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15:02:57 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, markbirbeck.

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15:03:02 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

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15:03:02 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

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15:03:11 <Ralph> zakim, ??p11 is Manu

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15:03:12 <Zakim> +Manu; got it

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15:03:45 <Zakim> +??P13

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15:03:47 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?

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15:03:47 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it

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15:04:58 <Zakim> +ShaneM

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15:05:28 <Zakim> + +1.617.395.aaaa

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15:06:34 <Simone> Zakim, who i speaking?

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15:06:34 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Simone.

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15:06:36 <Ralph> zakim, aaaa is Ben

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15:06:36 <Zakim> +Ben; got it

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15:06:39 <Simone> Zakim, who is speaking?

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15:06:49 <Zakim> Simone, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ben (85%), Michael_Hausenblas (20%)

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15:06:53 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:06:54 <msporny> I can re-connect if needed, Ralph?

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15:07:01 <Simone> Zakim, IPcaller is me

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15:07:01 <Zakim> +Simone; got it

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15:08:10 <Simone> Zakim, who is speaking?

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15:08:20 <Zakim> Simone, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Michael_Hausenblas (68%), Simone (16%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Simone, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Michael_Hausenblas (68%), Simone (16%) ←

15:10:19 <benadida> next telecon is Friday 26 october, 1400 UTC

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15:10:29 <benadida> zakim, pick a victim

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15:10:29 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Simone

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15:10:36 <mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas

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15:10:54 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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15:10:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/18-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

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15:12:21 <mhausenblas> Ben: There are certain edge cases we need to iron out, but we are on a good way

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Unknown Ben: There are certain edge cases we need to iron out, but we are on a good way ←

15:12:28 <mhausenblas> Topic: Action Items

1. Action Items

15:12:35 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

-> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary ←

15:14:19 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Syntax Document - process issues are clear for Shane/Steven?

Unknown Ralph: Syntax Document - process issues are clear for Shane/Steven? ←

15:14:41 <mhausenblas> Shane: Steven is currently on holiday - rest offline

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Unknown Shane: Steven is currently on holiday - rest offline ←

15:15:32 <mhausenblas> Ben: So this will be the draft we propose for publication

Unknown Ben: So this will be the draft we propose for publication ←

15:15:37 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: All look at tests 46 - 53 and write what you believe the correct triples are [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]

[NEW] ACTION: All look at tests 46 - 53 and write what you believe the correct triples are [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-10] ←

15:15:51 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0175.html Ben's init the thread

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0175.html Ben's init the thread ←

15:17:05 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:17:05 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:17:23 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:17:27 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:17:32 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Michael to find a more appropriate predicate than foaf:knows for TC46-53 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

[NEW] ACTION: Michael to find a more appropriate predicate than foaf:knows for TC46-53 [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] ←

15:17:38 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0181.html Manu implicitly resovled it

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0181.html Manu implicitly resovled it ←

15:17:51 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0181.html Manu implicitly resovled it

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0181.html Manu implicitly resovled it ←

15:17:59 <mhausenblas> -> http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/#term_maker foaf:maker

-> http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/#term_maker foaf:maker ←

15:18:09 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:18:19 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←

15:18:24 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:18:29 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael make sure to confirm a design for checking that the ASK SPARQL queries evaluate (yes/no) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

[PENDING] ACTION: Michael make sure to confirm a design for checking that the ASK SPARQL queries evaluate (yes/no) [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07] ←

15:18:35 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:18:42 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0171.html Michael's proposal

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0171.html Michael's proposal ←

15:19:32 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←

15:20:02 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:20:23 <mhausenblas> Topic: Test Cases Review and Approval (46-53, 54-56)

2. Test Cases Review and Approval (46-53, 54-56)

15:20:35 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0170.html Manu's proposed TC validator

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0170.html Manu's proposed TC validator ←

15:20:42 <Ralph> scribenick: ralph

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15:20:54 <Ralph> Michael: Manu proposed a wonderful implementation of a test case validator

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Unknown Michael: Manu proposed a wonderful implementation of a test case validator [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:21:06 <Ralph> ... I'd accept a formal action shared with Manu to implement this

Unknown Ralph: ... I'd accept a formal action shared with Manu to implement this ←

15:21:20 <Ralph> ... both as an on-line service and as a downloadable tool

Unknown Ralph: ... both as an on-line service and as a downloadable tool ←

15:21:41 <Ralph> ... downloadable version would run locally but still fetch test resources from w3.org

Unknown Ralph: ... downloadable version would run locally but still fetch test resources from w3.org ←

15:21:59 <Ralph> Manu: Ivan's help is necessary for pyrdfa bits

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Unknown Manu: Ivan's help is necessary for pyrdfa bits [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:23:35 <Ralph> ACTION: Michael and Manu investigate with Ivan the implementation of the test case validator proposal on w3.org

ACTION: Michael and Manu investigate with Ivan the implementation of the test case validator proposal on w3.org ←

15:23:49 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/ TC

Unknown mhausenblas: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/ TC ←

15:24:17 <Ralph> -- test 46

Unknown Ralph: -- test 46 ←

15:24:35 <Ralph> Michael: I've not yet made the foaf:knows -> foaf:maker change; please assume that correction has been made

Unknown Michael: I've not yet made the foaf:knows -> foaf:maker change; please assume that correction has been made [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:24:47 <Ralph> Manu, Ben: 46 ok

Unknown Ralph: Manu, Ben: 46 ok ←

15:25:27 <Ralph> Mark: we're still going to have the @instanceof discussion, right?

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Unknown Mark: we're still going to have the @instanceof discussion, right? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:26:14 <Ralph> Ben: I'm pretty sure Mark and I agree in the case of test 46

Unknown Ben: I'm pretty sure Mark and I agree in the case of test 46 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:26:33 <Ralph> Mark: the @instanceof discussion that Ben and I are having does apply to test 46 as well

Unknown Mark: the @instanceof discussion that Ben and I are having does apply to test 46 as well [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:26:47 <Ralph> ... I've sent Ben a long email

Unknown Ralph: ... I've sent Ben a long email ←

15:26:57 <Ralph> ... I would apply @instanceof to a subject that sits before the @rel

Unknown Ralph: ... I would apply @instanceof to a subject that sits before the @rel ←

15:27:18 <Ralph> Ben: so you'd have @instanceof inheriting something?

Unknown Ben: so you'd have @instanceof inheriting something? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:27:34 <Ralph> Mark: no, @instance of would create a bnode on the div and @rel and @instanceof both apply to this bnode

Unknown Mark: no, @instance of would create a bnode on the div and @rel and @instanceof both apply to this bnode [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:27:52 <Ralph> Ben: so there would be 2 bnodes?

Unknown Ben: so there would be 2 bnodes? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:27:53 <Ralph> Mark: yes

Unknown Mark: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:28:29 <Ralph> ... I'm not opposed to changing if there are use cases that require Ben's interpretation

Unknown Ralph: ... I'm not opposed to changing if there are use cases that require Ben's interpretation ←

15:28:43 <Ralph> Manu: this will affect all the test cases

Unknown Manu: this will affect all the test cases [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:30:21 <Ralph> Michael: shall we put test 46 on hold pending decision on how @instanceof works?

Unknown Michael: shall we put test 46 on hold pending decision on how @instanceof works? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:30:24 <Ralph> Ben: yes

Unknown Ben: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:30:28 <Ralph> -- test 47

Unknown Ralph: -- test 47 ←

15:31:17 <Ralph> Mark: if the question is whether these test are consistent, then, yes; but if the question is whether we agree on the triples, then no

Unknown Mark: if the question is whether these test are consistent, then, yes; but if the question is whether we agree on the triples, then no [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:31:26 <Ralph> ... I think @instanceof should apply to the subject

Unknown Ralph: ... I think @instanceof should apply to the subject ←

15:31:41 <Ralph> Ben: I'm confused because I thought these were the ones we agreed on

Unknown Ben: I'm confused because I thought these were the ones we agreed on [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:32:12 <Ralph> Mark: if @resource was on its own, then I'd agree that @instanceof applies to it

Unknown Mark: if @resource was on its own, then I'd agree that @instanceof applies to it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:33:02 <Ralph> ... e.g. if @rel were omitted from test 47, then we might have the same interpretation

Unknown Ralph: ... e.g. if @rel were omitted from test 47, then we might have the same interpretation ←

15:34:25 <mhausenblas> q+

Unknown mhausenblas: q+ ←

15:35:16 <Ralph> Ralph: are these differences in interpretation of the language in the document or differences revealed by having some actual triples to look at?

Unknown Ralph: are these differences in interpretation of the language in the document or differences revealed by having some actual triples to look at? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:35:46 <Ralph> Mark: to be fair, I've agreed to let the document proceed even though I disagree with some of it

Unknown Mark: to be fair, I've agreed to let the document proceed even though I disagree with some of it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:36:05 <Ralph> ... looks to me like test 48 works the way I expect

Unknown Ralph: ... looks to me like test 48 works the way I expect ←

15:37:20 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0175.html "Evaluation of Test Cases 46-53" [Ben 2007-10-17]

Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0175.html "Evaluation of Test Cases 46-53" [Ben 2007-10-17] ←

15:37:30 <Ralph> Manu: perhaps there is agreement on test 49?

Unknown Manu: perhaps there is agreement on test 49? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:37:47 <Ralph> Mark, Ben: test 49 is OK

Unknown Ralph: Mark, Ben: test 49 is OK ←

15:37:57 <Ralph> Mark: I say @about always applies

Unknown Mark: I say @about always applies [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:38:12 <Ralph> Ben: this is the one wierd case where I could be convinced to create a bnode

Unknown Ben: this is the one wierd case where I could be convinced to create a bnode [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:38:56 <Ralph> ... I agree this test gives the right triples

Unknown Ralph: ... I agree this test gives the right triples ←

15:39:11 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 49 approved

RESOLVED: test 49 approved ←

15:39:54 <Ralph> q+ to ask about semantics in 49

Unknown Ralph: q+ to ask about semantics in 49 ←

15:40:03 <Ralph> Manu: perhaps we agree on 50 also?

Unknown Manu: perhaps we agree on 50 also? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:40:23 <mhausenblas> +1

Unknown mhausenblas: +1 ←

15:40:23 <msporny>       ASK WHERE {

Unknown msporny: ASK WHERE { ←

15:40:23 <msporny>          _:a <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/name> "John Doe" .

Unknown msporny: _:a <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/name> "John Doe" . ←

15:40:23 <msporny>          _:a <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type>

Unknown msporny: _:a <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> ←

15:40:23 <msporny>              <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Person> .

Unknown msporny: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Person> . ←

15:40:26 <msporny>       }

Unknown msporny: } ←

15:40:41 <Ralph> Manu: the sparql is wrong; should be as posted above

Unknown Manu: the sparql is wrong; should be as posted above [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:41:22 <Ralph> Mark: test 50 is fine with me

Unknown Mark: test 50 is fine with me [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:41:32 <Ralph> ... bnode created on the DIV and the property applies to that bnode

Unknown Ralph: ... bnode created on the DIV and the property applies to that bnode ←

15:41:41 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 50 approved

RESOLVED: test 50 approved ←

15:42:01 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to ask about semantics in 49

Zakim IRC Bot: Ralph, you wanted to ask about semantics in 49 ←

15:42:24 <Ralph> Ralph: TAG would object to us suggesting that example.org's home page has rdf:type foaf:Person

Unknown Ralph: TAG would object to us suggesting that example.org's home page has rdf:type foaf:Person [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:42:30 <Ralph> Michael: add #me then

Unknown Michael: add #me then [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:42:34 <Ralph> Ralph: OK

Unknown Ralph: OK [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:43:13 <Ralph> -- test 51

Unknown Ralph: -- test 51 ←

15:43:46 <Ralph> Mark: on test 51 I'd still create the bnode first and attach the property to it

Unknown Mark: on test 51 I'd still create the bnode first and attach the property to it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:44:02 <Ralph> Ben: we've said for a long time that @instanceof is syntactic sugar for a child element

Unknown Ben: we've said for a long time that @instanceof is syntactic sugar for a child element [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:44:11 <Ralph> Mark: yes, but not any element

Unknown Mark: yes, but not any element [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:44:21 <Ralph> ... we'd said that LINK and META apply to the parent

Unknown Ralph: ... we'd said that LINK and META apply to the parent ←

15:44:29 <mhausenblas> we could at least resolve the semantic issue in TC51

Unknown mhausenblas: we could at least resolve the semantic issue in TC51 ←

15:44:36 <mhausenblas> as Manu put outin his review

Unknown mhausenblas: as Manu put out in his review ←

15:44:37 <Ralph> Shane: child of LINK or when LINK is a child?  LINK's content model is empty

Unknown Shane: child of LINK or when LINK is a child? LINK's content model is empty [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:44:38 <mhausenblas>  <h1 instanceof="foaf:Document" property="foaf:topic">

Unknown mhausenblas: <h1 instanceof="foaf:Document" property="foaf:topic"> ←

15:44:55 <mhausenblas> s/outin/out in

15:45:49 <Ralph> Mark: we used to have @role be a long-handed way of adding predicates to a parent element

Unknown Mark: we used to have <link rel="xh:role" href="..." \ be a long-handed way of adding predicates to a parent element [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:46:06 <Ralph> Manu: the question is about precedence

Unknown Manu: the question is about precedence [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:46:23 <Ralph> ... it seems consistent that @instanceof without @about always creates a bnode

Unknown Ralph: ... it seems consistent that @instanceof without @about always creates a bnode ←

15:46:36 <Ralph> Ben: the question is "on what element"?

Unknown Ben: the question is "on what element"? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:46:50 <Ralph> ... I think the property picks up a subject before the bnode is identified

Unknown Ralph: ... I think the property picks up a subject before the bnode is identified ←

15:47:18 <markbirbeck> s/we used to have @role/we used to have <link rel="xh:role" href="..." \/>/

15:48:02 <Ralph> Ralph: if you need to make assumptions about the order of processing of attributes, does that affect either of these interpretations?

Unknown Ralph: if you need to make assumptions about the order of processing of attributes, does that affect either of these interpretations? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:48:17 <Ralph> Ben, Mark: we think order of processing does affect both interpretations

Unknown Ralph: Ben, Mark: we think order of processing does affect both interpretations ←

15:48:28 <Ralph> Manu: @@scribe didn't capture

Unknown Manu: @@scribe didn't capture [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:48:46 <Ralph> Ben: one interpretation makes certain use cases very difficult to write

Unknown Ben: one interpretation makes certain use cases very difficult to write [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:48:51 <Ralph> Manu: but not impossible

Unknown Manu: but not impossible [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:49:08 <Ralph> ... the goal is to make something that is consistent

Unknown Ralph: ... the goal is to make something that is consistent ←

15:49:15 <Ralph> Ben: no, the goal is to meet our use cases

Unknown Ben: no, the goal is to meet our use cases [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:49:31 <Ralph> ... how do you write "I know another person"?

Unknown Ralph: ... how do you write "I know another person"? ←

15:49:41 <Ralph> ... without chaining, this becomes very difficult

Unknown Ralph: ... without chaining, this becomes very difficult ←

15:49:50 <Ralph> ... came up first when we considered bibtex

Unknown Ralph: ... came up first when we considered bibtex ←

15:50:11 <Ralph> ... wanting to give an rdf:type to the author of a paper

Unknown Ralph: ... wanting to give an rdf:type to the author of a paper ←

15:50:32 <Ralph> Manu: we may have conflicting goals; consistency vs. use cases

Unknown Manu: we may have conflicting goals; consistency vs. use cases [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:50:38 <Ralph> Ben: I think we've always had those conflicts

Unknown Ben: I think we've always had those conflicts [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:50:55 <msporny> <div about="#me" rel="foaf:knows" resource="#ben">

Unknown msporny: <div about="#me" rel="foaf:knows" resource="#ben"> ←

15:51:02 <Ralph> ... I agree that Mark's interpretation is definitely consistent

Unknown Ralph: ... I agree that Mark's interpretation is definitely consistent ←

15:51:49 <Ralph> -- test 52

Unknown Ralph: -- test 52 ←

15:51:56 <markbirbeck> I see Ben's issue. I've realised that we are missing one element of the 'old' chaining that we don't have now.

Unknown markbirbeck: I see Ben's issue. I've realised that we are missing one element of the 'old' chaining that we don't have now. ←

15:52:01 <markbirbeck> In this:

Unknown markbirbeck: In this: ←

15:52:03 <Ralph> Ben: if I heard Mark correctly, we might agree on 52

Unknown Ben: if I heard Mark correctly, we might agree on 52 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:52:04 <markbirbeck> <div about="#me" rel="foaf:knows" instanceof="foaf:Person">

Unknown markbirbeck: <div about="#me" rel="foaf:knows" instanceof="foaf:Person"> ←

15:52:04 <markbirbeck>   <div rel="foaf:knows" instanceof="foaf:Person">

Unknown markbirbeck: <div rel="foaf:knows" instanceof="foaf:Person"> ←

15:52:04 <markbirbeck>     <div rel="foaf:knows" instanceof="foaf:Person">

Unknown markbirbeck: <div rel="foaf:knows" instanceof="foaf:Person"> ←

15:52:04 <markbirbeck>       ...for ever...

Unknown markbirbeck: ...for ever... ←

15:52:04 <markbirbeck>     </div>

Unknown markbirbeck: </div> ←

15:52:05 <markbirbeck>   </div>

Unknown markbirbeck: </div> ←

15:52:07 <markbirbeck> </div>

Unknown markbirbeck: </div> ←

15:52:15 <markbirbeck> We used to make the object/subject line up.

Unknown markbirbeck: We used to make the object/subject line up. ←

15:52:25 <Ralph> Ben: Mark's example in irc is a good example

Unknown Ben: Mark's example in irc is a good example [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:52:36 <markbirbeck> If we were to explicitly 'align' them, would that resolve it for you, Ben?

Unknown markbirbeck: If we were to explicitly 'align' them, would that resolve it for you, Ben? ←

15:53:13 <Ralph> Mark: in the case of 52, I see @resource working just like @about

Unknown Mark: in the case of 52, I see @resource working just like @about [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:53:21 <Ralph> Michael: needs #me again

Unknown Michael: needs #me again [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:53:45 <Ralph> Mark, Ben: agree on 52

Unknown Ralph: Mark, Ben: agree on 52 ←

15:53:58 <Ralph> Mark: the example I just posted in irc ...

Unknown Mark: the example I just posted in irc ... [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:54:21 <Ralph> ... when we first had chaining (before we'd removed and readded it), it was more explicit that the object of one became the subject of the other

Unknown Ralph: ... when we first had chaining (before we'd removed and readded it), it was more explicit that the object of one became the subject of the other ←

15:54:36 <Ralph> ... with one more rule, I think this addresses Ben's use case

Unknown Ralph: ... with one more rule, I think this addresses Ben's use case ←

15:55:01 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 52 approved, pending addition of #me

RESOLVED: test 52 approved, pending addition of #me ←

15:55:05 <Ralph> -- test 53

Unknown Ralph: -- test 53 ←

15:55:32 <Ralph> Ben: one triple is missing from the SPARQL

Unknown Ben: one triple is missing from the SPARQL [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:55:37 <Ralph> ... add #me again

Unknown Ralph: ... add #me again ←

15:56:27 <Ralph> Michael: in the future, I will clean proposed test cases for semantic bugs first before adding them to the test suite

Unknown Michael: in the future, I will clean proposed test cases for semantic bugs first before adding them to the test suite [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:56:35 <Ralph> ... for discussion

Unknown Ralph: ... for discussion ←

15:57:07 <Ralph> Manu: consider completely different properties; e.g. type foaf:Document

Unknown Manu: consider completely different properties; e.g. type foaf:Document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:57:47 <msporny>       ASK WHERE {

Unknown msporny: ASK WHERE { ←

15:57:47 <msporny>          <http://www.example.org>

Unknown msporny: <http://www.example.org> ←

15:57:47 <msporny>          <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type>

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> ←

15:57:47 <msporny>          <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Person> .

Unknown msporny: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Person> . ←

15:57:47 <msporny>          <http://www.example.org>

Unknown msporny: <http://www.example.org> ←

15:57:48 <msporny>          <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/name>

Unknown msporny: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/name> ←

15:57:50 <msporny>          "John Doe".

Unknown msporny: "John Doe". ←

15:57:52 <msporny>       }

Unknown msporny: } ←

15:58:42 <Ralph> Ben, Mark: agree with Manu's triples in irc

Unknown Ralph: Ben, Mark: agree with Manu's triples in irc ←

15:58:51 <Ralph> RESOLVED, test 53 accepted pending addition of #me

Unknown Ralph: RESOLVED, test 53 accepted pending addition of #me ←

15:59:11 <Ralph> -- test 54

Unknown Ralph: -- test 54 ←

15:59:35 <Ralph> (multiple properites)

Unknown Ralph: (multiple properites) ←

15:59:44 <Ralph> Ben, Mark: look good to us

Unknown Ralph: Ben, Mark: look good to us ←

15:59:51 <Ralph> RESOLVED, test 54 accepted

Unknown Ralph: RESOLVED, test 54 accepted ←

15:59:55 <Ralph> -- test 55

Unknown Ralph: -- test 55 ←

16:00:03 <Ralph> Ben: 55 uses @rel instead of @property

Unknown Ben: 55 uses @rel instead of @property [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:00:31 <Ralph> Ben, Mark: 55 looks good to us

Unknown Ralph: Ben, Mark: 55 looks good to us ←

16:00:35 <Ralph> RESOLVED, test 55 accepted

Unknown Ralph: RESOLVED, test 55 accepted ←

16:00:47 <Ralph> -- test 56

Unknown Ralph: -- test 56 ←

16:00:52 <Ralph> Michael: 56 is a smorgasbord

Unknown Michael: 56 is a smorgasbord [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:01:27 <Ralph> Ben: if it's a reasonable and correct example, I see no reason to refuse it as a test

Unknown Ben: if it's a reasonable and correct example, I see no reason to refuse it as a test [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:01:40 <Ralph> Michael: I want to understand if it introduces anything new

Unknown Michael: I want to understand if it introduces anything new [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:01:45 <Ralph> ... it's a matter of time

Unknown Ralph: ... it's a matter of time ←

16:01:52 <Ralph> ... I don't see anything new in test 56

Unknown Ralph: ... I don't see anything new in test 56 ←

16:02:11 <Ralph> Manu: might catch if a developer has inserted a whole bunch of hacks

Unknown Manu: might catch if a developer has inserted a whole bunch of hacks [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:02:44 <Ralph> Mark: consider numbering such tests starting with a higher number

Unknown Mark: consider numbering such tests starting with a higher number [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:02:49 <Ralph> Ralph: how about 200 ? :)

Unknown Ralph: how about 200 ? :) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:02:53 <Ralph> Manu: like torture tests?

Unknown Manu: like torture tests? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:03:15 <Ralph> Michael: I'll pick 1000

Unknown Michael: I'll pick 1000 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:03:47 <msporny> ASK WHERE {

Unknown msporny: ASK WHERE { ←

16:03:47 <msporny> <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0056.xhtml#event1>

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0056.xhtml#event1> ←

16:03:47 <msporny> <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type>

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> ←

16:03:47 <msporny> <http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/icaltzd#Vevent> .

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/icaltzd#Vevent> . ←

16:03:47 <msporny> <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0056.xhtml#event1>

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0056.xhtml#event1> ←

16:03:48 <msporny> <http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/icaltzd#summary> "Weekend off in Iona" .

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/icaltzd#summary> "Weekend off in Iona" . ←

16:03:50 <msporny> <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0056.xhtml#event1>

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0056.xhtml#event1> ←

16:03:52 <msporny> <http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/icaltzd#dtstart>

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/icaltzd#dtstart> ←

16:03:55 <msporny> "2006-10-21"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#date> .

Unknown msporny: "2006-10-21"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#date> . ←

16:03:56 <msporny> <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0056.xhtml#event1>

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0056.xhtml#event1> ←

16:03:58 <msporny> <http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/icaltzd#dtend>

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/icaltzd#dtend> ←

16:04:00 <msporny> "2006-10-23"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#date> .

Unknown msporny: "2006-10-23"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#date> . ←

16:04:02 <msporny> <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0056.xhtml#event1>

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0056.xhtml#event1> ←

16:04:04 <msporny> <http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/icaltzd#url> <http://freetime.example.org/> .

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/icaltzd#url> <http://freetime.example.org/> . ←

16:04:06 <msporny> <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0056.xhtml#event1>

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0056.xhtml#event1> ←

16:04:08 <msporny> <http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/icaltzd#location> "Iona, UK" .

Unknown msporny: <http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/icaltzd#location> "Iona, UK" . ←

16:04:10 <msporny> }

Unknown msporny: } ←

16:04:12 <msporny> "rdf:type" needed to be expanded, also missing a "." at the end of

Unknown msporny: "rdf:type" needed to be expanded, also missing a "." at the end of ←

16:04:14 <msporny>       the next-to-last statement.

Unknown msporny: the next-to-last statement. ←

16:04:17 <Ralph> Manu: there are two errors in the SPARQL; missing rdf:type

Unknown Manu: there are two errors in the SPARQL; missing rdf:type [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:04:42 <Ralph> Mark, Ben: 56 looks good to us

Unknown Ralph: Mark, Ben: 56 looks good to us ←

16:04:52 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 56 accepted, renamed to 1001

RESOLVED: test 56 accepted, renamed to 1001 ←

16:05:02 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0173.html Ivan's concerns on approved TC

Unknown mhausenblas: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0173.html Ivan's concerns on approved TC ←

16:05:33 <Ralph> Michael: Ivan asked us to reconsider tests 11 and 29

Unknown Michael: Ivan asked us to reconsider tests 11 and 29 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:05:49 <Ralph> ... both concern the handling of whitespace

Unknown Ralph: ... both concern the handling of whitespace ←

16:06:02 <Ralph> Ben: Ivan has a good point particularly w.r.t. handling of PRE

Unknown Ben: Ivan has a good point particularly w.r.t. handling of PRE [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:06:21 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben enter Ivan's concerns in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0173.html as issues in tracker

ACTION: Ben enter Ivan's concerns in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0173.html as issues in tracker ←

16:06:59 <Ralph> Shane: the syntax draft asks "what is the default value for @instanceof"

Unknown Shane: the syntax draft asks "what is the default value for @instanceof" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:07:04 <Ralph> ... this is a schema implementation issue

Unknown Ralph: ... this is a schema implementation issue ←

16:07:09 <Ralph> ... do we know an answer?

Unknown Ralph: ... do we know an answer? ←

16:07:14 <Ralph> Ben: can the default be null?

Unknown Ben: can the default be null? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:07:24 <Ralph> Mark: but that would make every DIV be a bnode

Unknown Mark: but that would make every DIV be a bnode [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:07:33 <Ralph> Ben: that's why I proposed null

Unknown Ben: that's why I proposed null [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:08:05 <Ralph> ... since @instanceof changes the way subject interpretation occurs, it should not have a default value

Unknown Ralph: ... since @instanceof changes the way subject interpretation occurs, it should not have a default value ←

16:08:15 <Ralph> ... @instanceof="" should not be the same as omitting @instanceof

Unknown Ralph: ... @instanceof="" should not be the same as omitting @instanceof ←

16:08:48 <Ralph> Shane: so the answer is there is no default value from a DTD implementation perspective, but there is a default interpretation from an RDFa implementation perspective

Unknown Shane: so the answer is there is no default value from a DTD implementation perspective, but there is a default interpretation from an RDFa implementation perspective [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:09:17 <Ralph> scribenick: mhausenblas

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16:09:19 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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16:09:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/18-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

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16:09:25 <mhausenblas> Topic:  State of Documents

3. State of Documents

16:09:45 <mhausenblas> Shane: Work on Syntax and will forward it to Ralph

Unknown Shane: Work on Syntax and will forward it to Ralph ←

16:10:13 <mhausenblas> Ben: Regarding Primer  I worked in a lot of comments, incl. BobDC

Unknown Ben: Regarding Primer I worked in a lot of comments, incl. BobDC ←

16:10:31 <mhausenblas> ... won't be around on upcoming SWD telecon

... won't be around on upcoming SWD telecon ←

16:11:44 <mhausenblas> Ben: Need to request it via mail

Unknown Ben: Need to request it via mail ←

16:12:13 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Also remind the chairs for critical issues

Unknown Ralph: Also remind the chairs for critical issues ←

16:12:15 <mhausenblas> Topic: Schedule for next Telecons

4. Schedule for next Telecons

16:12:26 <mhausenblas> Next  Friday, 26 Oct 14:00UTC

Next Friday, 26 Oct 14:00UTC ←

16:12:36 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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16:12:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/18-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

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16:12:43 <Zakim> -Manu

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16:12:45 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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16:12:45 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas

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16:12:49 <Zakim> -Ralph

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16:12:54 <Ralph> zakim, list participants

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16:12:54 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph, Manu, markbirbeck, ShaneM, +1.617.395.aaaa, Ben, Simone

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16:13:08 <Zakim> -Simone

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16:14:18 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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16:14:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/18-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

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16:17:42 <Ralph> [I have just changed next week's telecon reservation to Friday, 1 hour earlier -- http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#D20071026 ]

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16:17:51 <Ralph> zakim, bye

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16:17:51 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph, Manu, markbirbeck, ShaneM, +1.617.395.aaaa, Ben, Simone

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16:18:04 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye

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16:18:04 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/18-rdfa-actions.rdf :

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16:18:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael and Manu investigate with Ivan the implementation of the test case validator proposal on w3.org [1]

ACTION: Michael and Manu investigate with Ivan the implementation of the test case validator proposal on w3.org [1] ←

16:18:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/18-rdfa-irc#T15-23-35

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16:18:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben enter Ivan's concerns in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0173.html as issues in tracker [2]

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16:18:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/18-rdfa-irc#T16-06-21

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