Meeting Record

W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2007-09-06, 15:00 UTC

Minutes of 06 September 2007

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0037.html

Seen

Unknown McCarron, Unknown Michael_Hausenblas, Unknown Ralph, Unknown RalphS, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown Steven, Unknown benadida, Unknown markbirbeck, Unknown mhausenblas, Unknown msporny

Chair

Unknown Ben

Scribe

Unknown mhausenblas, Unknown ralphs

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

test 37 approved link
test 38 approved link
test 41 approved link
test 42 approved, modulo predicate link
test 43 approved, modulo predicate link

Topics

Action Items
New Test Cases
Documents - Thoughts, Reviews
Schedule over the next 2 weeks

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14:40:19 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)

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14:40:29 <mhausenblas> Meeting: W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2007-09-06, 15:00 UTC

14:40:37 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0037.html

14:40:44 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2007-08-30

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14:41:54 <mhausenblas> Chair: Ben

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14:42:04 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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15:02:48 <Zakim> +Ralph

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15:02:54 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

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15:02:54 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

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15:04:08 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who is on the call?

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15:04:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Hausenblas, msporny, Ralph, markbirbeck

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15:04:33 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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15:05:17 <benadida> zakim, aabb is me

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15:06:18 <mhausenblas> Topic: Action Items

1. Action Items

15:06:27 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

-> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary ←

15:08:17 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben add an isbn: resource example to the Primer to illustrate @resource overriding @href [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben add an isbn: resource example to the Primer to illustrate @resource overriding @href [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-08] ←

15:08:57 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:09:05 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben ask Michael to duplicate tests 34-36 omitting @about [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben ask Michael to duplicate tests 34-36 omitting @about [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:09:27 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:09:33 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben ask Michael to duplicate tests 34-36 with @rev in place of @rel [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben ask Michael to duplicate tests 34-36 with @rev in place of @rel [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:09:35 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:09:41 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben ask Michael to write versions of tests 34-36 including all of @src, @href, and @resource [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben ask Michael to write versions of tests 34-36 including all of @src, @href, and @resource [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-10] ←

15:09:44 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:09:52 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben send mail to the TF list when the Primer editors' draft is ready for the TF to read [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben send mail to the TF list when the Primer editors' draft is ready for the TF to read [recorded in ACTION-14]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-14] ←

15:09:56 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:10:04 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ralph ask Eric Prud'hommeaux if there's a clever way to write a variant of tests 34-36 without @rel [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

[NEW] ACTION: Ralph ask Eric Prud'hommeaux if there's a clever way to write a variant of tests 34-36 without @rel [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] ←

15:10:12 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:11:12 <Zakim> +McCarron

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15:11:58 <RalphS> Ralph: Eric's solution would require us to be able to identify some tests as returning '0' for a Pass result

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Unknown Ralph: Eric's solution would require us to be able to identify some tests as returning '0' for a Pass result [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:12:12 <RalphS> ... all the current tests expect '1' to be the Pass result

Unknown RalphS: ... all the current tests expect '1' to be the Pass result ←

15:12:38 <RalphS> Michael: with 'ASK' we're checking that the triple exists

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Unknown Michael: with 'ASK' we're checking that the triple exists [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:12:45 <RalphS> ... the expected answer is 'Yes'

Unknown RalphS: ... the expected answer is 'Yes' ←

15:13:00 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#ask

-> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#ask ←

15:13:47 <RalphS> Michael: in the test suite document we could define whether 'Yes' means Pass or Fail

Unknown Michael: in the test suite document we could define whether 'Yes' means Pass or Fail [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:14:51 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/Overview.html RDF Testsuite

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/Overview.html RDF Testsuite ←

15:15:30 <RalphS> Michael: my proposal is to leave the current test cases as they are and define how we interpret the 'Yes' response

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15:15:41 <RalphS> Mark: for some tests we say 'Yes' means Fail

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Unknown Mark: for some tests we say 'Yes' means Fail [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:15:52 <RalphS> Michael: yes, I have to confirm that this is feasible

Unknown Michael: yes, I have to confirm that this is feasible [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:16:05 <RalphS> ... to date we have assume that 'Yes' means Pass

Unknown RalphS: ... to date we have assume that 'Yes' means Pass ←

15:17:35 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Michael make sure to that the ASK SPARQL queries evaluate (yes/no)

ACTION: Michael make sure to confirm a design for checking that the ASK SPARQL queries evaluate (yes/no) ←

15:18:39 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Shane send email to the TF list when the editor's draft is ready for the TF to read [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

[NEW] ACTION: Shane send email to the TF list when the editor's draft is ready for the TF to read [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←

15:18:45 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:18:58 <mhausenblas> -- really done

-- really done ←

15:19:06 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in ACTION-04]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-04] ←

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15:19:15 <RalphS> s/to that/to confirm a design for checking that/

15:19:40 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to recontact implementors Elias, MarkB, triplr [and Fabien] and post their implementations to http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#Implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to recontact implementors Elias, MarkB, triplr [and Fabien] and post their implementations to http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#Implementations [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] ←

15:19:52 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:20:14 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to work test cases 31 and 32 into primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to work test cases 31 and 32 into primer [recorded in ACTION-14]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-14] ←

15:20:18 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:20:40 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben, Mark, Elias, and other implementors to add xml:lang support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben, Mark, Elias, and other implementors to add xml:lang support [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:21:37 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:21:53 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←

15:21:59 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:22:05 <mhausenblas> Topic: New Test Cases

2. New Test Cases

15:22:12 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0040.html

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0040.html ←

15:22:13 <RalphS> scribenick: ralphs

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15:22:23 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaTC

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15:23:22 <RalphS> Michael: I updated the foaf:img property names

Unknown Michael: I updated the foaf:img property names [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:23:53 <RalphS> Test case 37

Unknown RalphS: Test case 37 ←

15:24:45 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0037 test 37

Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0037 test 37 ←

15:25:48 <RalphS> RESOLVED: test 37 approved

RESOLVED: test 37 approved ←

15:26:23 <RalphS> Michael: tests 38-41 all stem from the same action item; they're the same as 34-37 using @rev instead of @rel

Unknown Michael: tests 38-41 all stem from the same action item; they're the same as 34-37 using @rev instead of @rel [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:26:58 <Zakim> -McCarron

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15:27:00 <Zakim> +ShaneM

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15:27:00 <RalphS> ... uses foaf:depicts as that's the inverse of foaf:depiction

Unknown RalphS: ... uses foaf:depicts as that's the inverse of foaf:depiction ←

15:28:04 <RalphS> ... I tested this with Ivan Herman's implementation and it produced the proposed result

Unknown RalphS: ... I tested this with Ivan Herman's implementation and it produced the proposed result ←

15:28:18 <RalphS> RESOLVED: test 38 approved

RESOLVED: test 38 approved ←

15:29:01 <RalphS> Ben: typo in test 39; still uses @rel

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Unknown Ben: typo in test 39; still uses @rel [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:29:28 <RalphS> ... let's hold approval for this until it's fixed

Unknown RalphS: ... let's hold approval for this until it's fixed ←

15:29:54 <RalphS> ... same typo problem in test 40

Unknown RalphS: ... same typo problem in test 40 ←

15:31:14 <RalphS> test case 41

Unknown RalphS: test case 41 ←

15:31:28 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0041 test 41

Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0041 test 41 ←

15:31:45 <RalphS> RESOLVED: test 41 approved

RESOLVED: test 41 approved ←

15:32:05 <RalphS> Michael: tests 42-45 are same ase 34-37 without @about

Unknown Michael: tests 42-45 are same ase 34-37 without @about [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:32:26 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0042 test 42

Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0042 test 42 ←

15:33:11 <RalphS> Ralph: syntactically correct, but are these semantically correct?

Unknown Ralph: syntactically correct, but are these semantically correct? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:33:44 <RalphS> Michael: foaf:img is a relationship between a person and an image

Unknown Michael: foaf:img is a relationship between a person and an image [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:33:53 <RalphS> ... these may be semantically questionable

Unknown RalphS: ... these may be semantically questionable ←

15:34:14 <RalphS> Mark: could have a screen shot that is an image of the page

Unknown Mark: could have a screen shot that is an image of the page [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:34:50 <RalphS> ... is foaf:img really restricted to Domain foaf:Person?

Unknown RalphS: ... is foaf:img really restricted to Domain foaf:Person? ←

15:35:06 <mhausenblas> -> http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_img

Unknown mhausenblas: -> http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_img ←

15:36:05 <RalphS> Michael: yes, foaf:img has rdfs:Domain foaf:Person

Unknown Michael: yes, foaf:img has rdfs:Domain foaf:Person [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:36:26 <Steven> It contradicts itself

Unknown Steven: It contradicts itself ←

15:36:34 <Steven> the description says "An image that can be used to represent some thing"

Unknown Steven: the description says "An image that can be used to represent some thing" ←

15:36:42 <Steven> (not some person)

Unknown Steven: (not some person) ←

15:36:58 <RalphS> Ralph: we ought to be able to find some semantically reasonable relationship between the page and the image

Unknown Ralph: we ought to be able to find some semantically reasonable relationship between the page and the image [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:37:27 <RalphS> Ben: let's approve these tests based on syntax and assign Michael an action to look for a better property

Unknown Ben: let's approve these tests based on syntax and assign Michael an action to look for a better property [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:38:30 <RalphS> ACTION: Michael look for a more semantically correct predicate for tests 42-45

ACTION: Michael look for a more semantically correct predicate for tests 42-45 ←

15:38:46 <RalphS> RESOLVED: test 42 approved, modulo predicate

RESOLVED: test 42 approved, modulo predicate ←

15:39:01 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0043 test 43

Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0043 test 43 ←

15:39:20 <RalphS> Michael: showing @href overriding @src

Unknown Michael: showing @href overriding @src [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:39:50 <RalphS> RESOLVED: test 43 approved, modulo predicate

RESOLVED: test 43 approved, modulo predicate ←

15:40:02 <RalphS> Mark: how will we confirm the corrected versions of these tests?

Unknown Mark: how will we confirm the corrected versions of these tests? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:40:38 <RalphS> Michael: I have an action, and we'll check when I finish that action

Unknown Michael: I have an action, and we'll check when I finish that action [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:41:07 <RalphS> Mark: we should put these on hold, then, rather than accept them now

Unknown Mark: we should put these on hold, then, rather than accept them now [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:41:56 <RalphS> RESOVLED: tests 42-45 put on hold pending identification of a semantically correct predicate

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Unknown RESOVLED: tests 42-45 put on hold pending identification of a semantically correct predicate [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:42:05 <mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas

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15:42:11 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

15:42:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

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15:42:19 <mhausenblas> Topic: Documents - Thoughts, Reviews

3. Documents - Thoughts, Reviews

15:42:28 <mhausenblas> Ben: Where to start?

Unknown Ben: Where to start? ←

15:42:36 <mhausenblas> Steven: Everywhere

Unknown Steven: Everywhere ←

15:43:08 <mhausenblas> Mark: Ivan gave great feedback

Unknown Mark: Ivan gave great feedback ←

15:43:37 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Which section will be subject to greates change?

Unknown Ralph: Which section will be subject to greates change? ←

15:44:16 <mhausenblas> Mark: The 'Processing Model'  (rules) section is new

Unknown Mark: The 'Processing Model' (rules) section is new ←

15:44:48 <mhausenblas> ... we are now matching all the other sections with this new rules section

... we are now matching all the other sections with this new rules section ←

15:45:18 <mhausenblas> ... the blue boxes detailed out

... the blue boxes detailed out ←

15:45:53 <mhausenblas> ... eg @xml:lang in rules it just says it is used

... eg @xml:lang in rules it just says it is used ←

15:46:22 <mhausenblas> ... then in the detailed sections it exaplains how to use it, examples

... then in the detailed sections it exaplains how to use it, examples ←

15:46:35 <mhausenblas>  RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

15:46:52 <mhausenblas> Ben: Regarding review

Unknown Ben: Regarding review ←

15:47:10 <RalphS> q+ to ask about/suggest a 'latest version' mechanism

Unknown RalphS: q+ to ask about/suggest a 'latest version' mechanism ←

15:47:14 <mhausenblas> ... can we start right now, where to start?

... can we start right now, where to start? ←

15:47:32 <mhausenblas> Mark: Final changes on next Monday

Unknown Mark: Final changes on next Monday ←

15:48:54 <mhausenblas> ... all sections may be reviewed, but they'll get ready bit by bit

... all sections may be reviewed, but they'll get ready bit by bit ←

15:49:47 <mhausenblas> ack RalphS

ack RalphS ←

15:49:47 <Zakim> RalphS, you wanted to ask about/suggest a 'latest version' mechanism

Zakim IRC Bot: RalphS, you wanted to ask about/suggest a 'latest version' mechanism ←

15:51:08 <mhausenblas> Ben: We agreed are while ago that it will be titled "XHTML 1 + RDFa"

Unknown Ben: We agreed are while ago that it will be titled "XHTML 1 + RDFa" ←

15:51:49 <mhausenblas> Mark: There used to be more generic things in there, but it is getting more specific

Unknown Mark: There used to be more generic things in there, but it is getting more specific ←

15:51:57 <mhausenblas> ... sitll not sure how to name it

... sitll not sure how to name it ←

15:51:58 <RalphS> [I see div.issue rendered as light green]

Unknown RalphS: [I see div.issue rendered as light green] ←

15:52:47 <mhausenblas> Mark: I focused on the rules, till now

Unknown Mark: I focused on the rules, till now ←

15:53:07 <mhausenblas> ... though we need to discuss it, here

... though we need to discuss it, here ←

15:53:34 <mhausenblas> ... the idea is that the 'blue boxes' are host language specific

... the idea is that the 'blue boxes' are host language specific ←

15:54:08 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Like the approach, but change the subtitle

Unknown Ralph: Like the approach, but change the subtitle ←

15:55:05 <mhausenblas> Ben: RDFa in XHTML 1.1 Syntax as title

Unknown Ben: RDFa in XHTML 1.1 Syntax as title ←

15:56:16 <RalphS> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/

Unknown RalphS: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/ ←

15:56:50 <ShaneM>  we need a short name for the syntax document.  It should be xhtml-syntax-rdfa

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Unknown ShaneM: we need a short name for the syntax document. It should be xhtml-syntax-rdfa ←

15:57:47 <ShaneM>  note that currently we are using the shorthame rdfa-syntax

Unknown ShaneM: note that currently we are using the shorthame rdfa-syntax ←

15:58:22 <ShaneM>  but I am sure that is unofficial

Unknown ShaneM: but I am sure that is unofficial ←

15:58:39 <RalphS> [I suggest xhtml-rdfa-syntax ]

Unknown RalphS: [I suggest xhtml-rdfa-syntax ] ←

15:59:10 <mhausenblas> Ralph: To get a short name, the WG needs to trigger it

Unknown Ralph: To get a short name, the WG needs to trigger it by making a First Public Working Draft publication request ←

15:59:36 <RalphS> s/trigger it/trigger it by making a First Public Working Draft publication request/

16:01:40 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/primer/ primer

Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/primer/ primer ←

16:01:40 <mhausenblas> Ben: I restructured the Primer

Unknown Ben: I restructured the Primer ←

16:01:49 <RalphS> currently  $Id: 2007-09-06.html,v 1.1 2016/03/10 19:29:25 sandro Exp $

Unknown RalphS: currently $Id: 2007-09-06.html,v 1.1 2016/03/10 19:29:25 sandro Exp $ ←

16:02:35 <mhausenblas> Ben: the mini-syntax section has been removed

Unknown Ben: the mini-syntax section has been removed ←

16:03:59 <mhausenblas> Ben: I am about to change the subtitle

Unknown Ben: I am about to change the subtitle ←

16:05:12 <mhausenblas> Ben: Manu, I'll take your comments and work them in

Unknown Ben: Manu, I'll take your comments and work them in ←

16:05:34 <RalphS> regrets for 13 Sep telecon :(

Unknown RalphS: regrets for 13 Sep telecon :( ←

16:06:22 <mhausenblas> Ben: Mark promised the Syntax is ready for Tuesday morning

Unknown Ben: Mark promised the Syntax is ready for Tuesday morning ←

16:08:05 <mhausenblas> Ben: Let's tentatively say next Friday at 15:00 UTC

Unknown Ben: Let's tentatively say next Friday at 15:00 UTC ←

16:08:12 <mhausenblas> ... 14 Sep 2007

... 14 Sep 2007 ←

16:09:05 <mhausenblas> Topic: Schedule over the next 2 weeks

4. Schedule over the next 2 weeks

16:09:15 <mhausenblas> Ben: Get documents out for review

Unknown Ben: Get documents out for review ←

16:09:28 <mhausenblas> ... everyone in the TF comments on it

... everyone in the TF comments on it ←

16:09:42 <mhausenblas> ... will inform SWD, then and propose to review

... will inform SWD, then and propose to review ←

16:09:55 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

16:09:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

16:12:17 <mhausenblas> Mark: Regarding CURIE []

Unknown Mark: Regarding CURIE [] ←

16:12:53 <mhausenblas> Michael: Don't know, but if you find it please add it to http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa/Resolutions

Unknown Michael: Don't know, but if you find it please add it to http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa/Resolutions ←

16:13:36 <mhausenblas> Mark: It has gone from @href

Unknown Mark: It has gone from @href ←

16:14:11 <mhausenblas> ... but an extended form is worth having it in there

... but an extended form is worth having it in there ←

16:16:21 <mhausenblas> Ben: [] is just used for disambiguation

Unknown Ben: [] is just used for disambiguation ←

16:17:40 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/4 issue 4 (Local) blank node identifiers

Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/4 ISSUE-4 (Local) blank node identifiers ←

16:17:52 <RalphS> [note that issue 4 is marked as resolved]

Unknown RalphS: [note that ISSUE-4 is marked as resolved] ←

16:18:04 <benadida> <div about="#ben" property="foaf:name" content="Ben Adida" rel="foaf:homepage" href="http://ben.adida.net" instanceof="foaf:Person">oy</div>

Unknown benadida: <div about="#ben" property="foaf:name" content="Ben Adida" rel="foaf:homepage" href="http://ben.adida.net" instanceof="foaf:Person">oy</div> ←

16:19:13 <benadida> does this yield:

Unknown benadida: does this yield: ←

16:19:19 <benadida> <#ben> a foaf:Person

Unknown benadida: <#ben> a foaf:Person ←

16:19:20 <benadida> or

Unknown benadida: or ←

16:19:28 <benadida> <http://ben.adida.net> a foaf:Person

Unknown benadida: <http://ben.adida.net> a foaf:Person ←

16:19:55 <RalphS> [I've brought this "what is subject of @instanceof?" up previously and was overruled]

Unknown RalphS: [I've brought this "what is subject of @instanceof?" up previously and was overruled] ←

16:22:03 <RalphS> note that as this is a question we've revisited several time, whatever our conclusion is we should document it in a section of the Primer

Unknown RalphS: note that as this is a question we've revisited several time, whatever our conclusion is we should document it in a section of the Primer ←

16:22:34 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Need an action to resolve it

Unknown Ralph: Need an action to resolve it ←

16:22:49 <mhausenblas> ... Ben to outline it in the Primer

... Ben to outline it in the Primer ←

16:23:18 <mhausenblas> Ben: Too advanced for the Primer

Unknown Ben: Too advanced for the Primer ←

16:23:29 <mhausenblas> Ralph: In the Syntax, then?

Unknown Ralph: In the Syntax, then? ←

16:23:40 <mhausenblas> Ben: I'll have a look at it

Unknown Ben: I'll have a look at it ←

16:24:20 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Ben to write up @instanceof referring to other subjects

ACTION: Ben to write up @instanceof referring to other subjects ←

16:24:39 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

16:24:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

16:25:14 <mhausenblas> Ben: Mission this week is WRITE or REVIEW

Unknown Ben: Mission this week is WRITE or REVIEW ←

16:25:28 <mhausenblas> Michael: or both ;)

Unknown Michael: or both ;) ←

16:25:46 <mhausenblas> Ben: Thanks everyone - till Friday next week

Unknown Ben: Thanks everyone - till Friday next week ←

16:25:58 <Zakim> -msporny

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16:25:59 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

16:26:01 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas

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16:26:02 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←

16:26:04 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←

16:26:04 <Zakim> -Ralph

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ralph ←

16:26:08 <mhausenblas> ... and look out for the documents on Tuesday morning!

... and look out for the documents on Tuesday morning! ←

16:26:11 <Zakim> -benadida

Zakim IRC Bot: -benadida ←

16:26:12 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended ←

16:26:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Hausenblas, msporny, Ralph, +020876aaaa, markbirbeck, Steven, +1.617.395.aabb, benadida, McCarron, ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Michael_Hausenblas, msporny, Ralph, +020876aaaa, markbirbeck, Steven, +1.617.395.aabb, benadida, McCarron, ShaneM ←

16:26:15 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

16:26:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

16:26:20 <mhausenblas> Zakim, list attendees

Zakim, list attendees ←

16:26:20 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mhausenblas, I don't know what conference this is ←

16:32:20 <mhausenblas> quite

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quite ←

17:32:51 <RalphS> zakim, bye

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Unknown RalphS: zakim, bye ←

17:33:04 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye

Unknown RalphS: rrsagent, bye ←

17:33:04 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-actions.rdf : ←

17:33:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael make sure to that the ASK SPARQL queries evaluate (yes/no) [1]

ACTION: Michael make sure to that the ASK SPARQL queries evaluate (yes/no) [1] ←

17:33:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-irc#T15-17-35

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-irc#T15-17-35 ←

17:33:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael look for a more semantically correct predicate for tests 42-45 [2]

ACTION: Michael look for a more semantically correct predicate for tests 42-45 [2] ←

17:33:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-irc#T15-38-30

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-irc#T15-38-30 ←

17:33:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to write up @instanceof referring to other subjects [3]

ACTION: Ben to write up @instanceof referring to other subjects [3] ←

17:33:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-irc#T16-24-20

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