Meeting Record

W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2007-07-12, 15:00 UTC

Minutes of 12 July 2007

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jul/0080.html

Seen

Unknown Ben, Unknown Ben_Adida, Unknown Mark, Unknown McCarron, Unknown Michael_Hausenblas, Unknown Ralph, Unknown RalphS, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown Steven, Unknown benadida, Unknown markbirbeck, Unknown mhausenblas

Regrets

Unknown Simone_Onofri

Chair

Unknown Ben

Scribe

Unknown mhausenblas

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

None.

Topics

Action Item Review
@href/@resource everywhere
@class/@role/@new_attribute
@rel everywhere
@src

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14:01:12 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-rdfa-irc

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14:01:17 <Steven> zakim, this will be rdfa

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14:01:17 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 59 minutes

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14:01:29 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public

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14:03:33 <ShaneM>  I am going to be on the call... btu I expect I will be on the road when doing it.  sry

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Unknown ShaneM: I am going to be on the call... btu I expect I will be on the road when doing it. sry ←

14:04:57 <Steven> ok

Unknown Steven: ok ←

14:05:10 <Steven> When you have time

Unknown Steven: When you have time ←

14:05:29 <Steven> I need advice on what exactly to do to convert an html doc to mhtml

Unknown Steven: I need advice on what exactly to do to convert an html doc to mhtml ←

14:05:34 <Steven> (for your system)

Unknown Steven: (for your system) ←

14:17:44 <Steven> hi

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14:19:17 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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Unknown mhausenblas: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

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14:19:30 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public

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14:20:19 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)

Unknown mhausenblas: zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa) ←

14:20:19 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 40 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 40 minutes ←

14:20:37 <mhausenblas> Meeting: W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2007-07-12, 15:00 UTC

14:20:43 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jul/0080.html

14:20:50 <mhausenblas> Regrets: Simone_Onofri

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14:20:56 <mhausenblas> Chair: Ben

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14:21:01 <mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas

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14:21:07 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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14:55:41 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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14:55:49 <Zakim> +Michael_Hausenblas

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14:56:14 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who is here?

Zakim, who is here? ←

14:56:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Hausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Michael_Hausenblas ←

14:56:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see RalphS, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, kwijibo, markbirbeck

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14:56:30 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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14:56:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

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14:56:55 <Zakim> +Ralph

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14:59:42 <Zakim> +Ben

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14:59:48 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617 ←

14:59:48 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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14:59:50 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←

15:00:25 <Zakim> +McCarron

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15:00:29 <benadida> zakim, who is on the call?

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Unknown benadida: zakim, who is on the call? ←

15:00:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph, Ben, Steven, McCarron

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph, Ben, Steven, McCarron ←

15:00:53 <mhausenblas> Topic: Action Item Review

1. Action Item Review

15:01:10 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/07/05-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

-> http://www.w3.org/2007/07/05-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary ←

15:01:25 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/07/05-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2007-07-05

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Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2007/07/05-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2007-07-05 ←

15:02:01 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?

Unknown Steven: zakim, who is noisy? ←

15:02:12 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 5 (37%), Michael_Hausenblas (21%), Ben (70%), Ralph (0%), Steven (0%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 5 (37%), Michael_Hausenblas (21%), Ben (70%), Ralph (0%), Steven (0%) ←

15:02:18 <Zakim> -Ben

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15:02:23 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?

Unknown Steven: zakim, who is noisy? ←

15:02:29 <ShaneM>  that chop is likely from ben's IP phone

Unknown ShaneM: that chop is likely from ben's IP phone ←

15:02:34 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 4 (68%), Michael_Hausenblas (5%), Ralph (19%), Steven (66%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 4 (68%), Michael_Hausenblas (5%), Ralph (19%), Steven (66%) ←

15:02:46 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida

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15:03:41 <markbirbeck> zakim, codes?

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Unknown markbirbeck: zakim, codes? ←

15:03:41 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, markbirbeck.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, markbirbeck. ←

15:03:48 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

Unknown markbirbeck: zakim, code? ←

15:03:48 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck ←

15:03:51 <Steven> zakim, code?

Unknown Steven: zakim, code? ←

15:03:51 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven ←

15:03:59 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?

Unknown Steven: zakim, who is noisy? ←

15:04:10 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 5 (50%), Michael_Hausenblas (23%), Ben_Adida (17%), Ralph (4%), Steven (28%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 5 (50%), Michael_Hausenblas (23%), Ben_Adida (17%), Ralph (4%), Steven (28%) ←

15:04:26 <Zakim> + +1.208.761.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.208.761.aaaa ←

15:04:40 <RalphS> zakim, aaaa is Mark

Unknown RalphS: zakim, aaaa is Mark ←

15:04:40 <Zakim> +Mark; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Mark; got it ←

15:04:56 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben make a scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben make a scribe schedule [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/07/05-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:04:58 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:05:06 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben summarize the state of @rel everywhere [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben summarize the state of @rel everywhere [recorded in ACTION-16]">http://www.w3.org/2007/07/05-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-16] ←

15:05:08 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:05:18 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to send to mailing list PROPOSE: LINK and META appear only in HEAD with no changes to content model [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben to send to mailing list PROPOSE: LINK and META appear only in HEAD with no changes to content model [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2007/07/05-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←

15:05:22 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:05:31 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben/Ralph to figure out the RDFa-GRDDL-profile URI (at w3.org) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben/Ralph to figure out the RDFa-GRDDL-profile URI (at w3.org) [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←

15:05:34 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:05:46 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in ACTION-04]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-04] ←

15:06:22 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:06:27 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]

[PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-10] ←

15:06:30 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:06:44 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark get input from Joost on @HREF everywhere [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]

[PENDING] ACTION: Mark get input from Joost on @HREF everywhere [recorded in ACTION-14]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-14] ←

15:06:49 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jul/0056.html Scribe schedule

Unknown RalphS: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jul/0056.html Scribe schedule ←

15:07:26 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:07:57 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jul/0072.html

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jul/0072.html ←

15:08:05 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25]

[PENDING] ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in ACTION-25]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-25] ←

15:08:08 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:08:14 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Shane investigate the @xml:base validation issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]

[PENDING] ACTION: Shane investigate the @xml:base validation issue [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02] ←

15:08:16 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:08:22 <mhausenblas> Topic: @href/@resource everywhere

2. @href/@resource everywhere

15:08:28 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jul/0059

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jul/0059 ←

15:08:42 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jul/0072.html revised scribe schedule

Unknown RalphS: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jul/0072.html revised scribe schedule ←

15:09:06 <mhausenblas> Ben: XHTML 1.1: it would be useful to have an attrib

Unknown Ben: XHTML 1.1: it would be useful to have an attrib ←

15:09:19 <mhausenblas> ... issues: clickable

... issues: clickable ←

15:09:46 <mhausenblas> Steven: XHTML 2 all URL need to be navigable

Unknown Steven: XHTML 2 all URL need to be navigable ←

15:10:13 <mhausenblas> ... but not the same as clickable (as <a>)

... but not the same as clickable (as <a>) ←

15:10:24 <RalphS> q+ to note implications for "RDFa-knowledgeble" clients

Unknown RalphS: q+ to note implications for "RDFa-knowledgeble" clients ←

15:10:40 <mhausenblas> ... I opt for dereference URL

... I opt for dereference URL ←

15:11:18 <mhausenblas> Mark: Cf. to RDF URIRef

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Unknown Mark: Cf. to RDF URIRef ←

15:11:35 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Mark's interpretation might be too strict

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Unknown Ralph: Mark's interpretation might be too strict ←

15:11:47 <mhausenblas> ... support Steven's POV

... support Steven's POV ←

15:12:33 <mhausenblas> ... compare with CSS-aware client

... compare with CSS-aware client ←

15:13:11 <mhausenblas> Mark: If information resource is derefable, it should be used

Unknown Mark: If information resource is derefable, it should be used ←

15:13:22 <mhausenblas> ... isbn-URI

... isbn-URN ←

15:13:39 <mhausenblas> s/isbn-URI/isbn-URN

15:13:58 <mhausenblas> Ben: Ok, let's take the book example

Unknown Ben: Ok, let's take the book example ←

15:14:07 <mhausenblas> ... has an URN (ISBN)

... has an URN (ISBN) ←

15:14:50 <RalphS> q+ to ask what's the problem with <a href="urn:..."> ?

Unknown RalphS: q+ to ask what's the problem with <a href="urn:..."> ? ←

15:15:03 <RalphS> q+ to ask what's the problem with <span href="urn:..."> ?

Unknown RalphS: q+ to ask what's the problem with <span href="urn:..."> ? ←

15:15:22 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Try to understand Mark's POV

Unknown Ralph: Try to understand Mark's POV ←

15:15:40 <mhausenblas> ... see example <span href="urn:...">

... see example <span href="urn:..."> ←

15:16:43 <mhausenblas> Mark: You could create UI for user, but need the metadata

Unknown Mark: You could create UI for user, but need the metadata ←

15:16:58 <mhausenblas> ... what is the default behaviour

... what is the default behaviour ←

15:17:35 <mhausenblas> Ralph: A non-metadata client might not have a default behaviour

Unknown Ralph: A non-metadata client might not have a default behaviour ←

15:18:06 <mhausenblas> Mark: Example: Page with hundreds of books

Unknown Mark: Example: Page with hundreds of books ←

15:18:26 <mhausenblas> ... linking to, say, amazon

... linking to, say, amazon ←

15:18:41 <mhausenblas> ... with how many clickable links you end up?

... with how many clickable links you end up? ←

15:19:17 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Interpreting Steven, it depends on the client to figure out what to do

Unknown Ralph: Interpreting Steven, it depends on the client to figure out what to do ←

15:19:25 <mhausenblas> ... with a link (derefable)

... with a link (derefable) ←

15:20:06 <mhausenblas> Mark: Think about smart browser

Unknown Mark: Think about smart browser ←

15:20:21 <mhausenblas> ... but what if there is nothing to go

... but what if there is nothing to go ←

15:21:08 <mhausenblas> Ralph: The concern might be

Unknown Ralph: The concern might be ←

15:21:22 <mhausenblas> that the author has no way to determine the way

that the author has no way to determine the way ←

15:21:36 <mhausenblas> ... a user might follow the link

... a user might follow the link ←

15:21:51 <mhausenblas> Mark: We deal with RDF resources vs. navigable links

Unknown Mark: We deal with RDF resources vs. navigable links ←

15:22:18 <mhausenblas> Steven: Subject and Objects are intersting things to follow

Unknown Steven: Subject and Objects are intersting things to follow ←

15:22:40 <mhausenblas> Mark: currently only object

Unknown Mark: currently only object ←

15:22:56 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Any time there is a URL

Unknown Ralph: Any time there is a URL ←

15:23:29 <mhausenblas> ... display context sensitive menu that allows for exploring a URL(I) content

... display context sensitive menu that allows for exploring a URL(I) content ←

15:24:10 <mhausenblas> Ben: So there may be cases for @resource

Unknown Ben: So there may be cases for @resource ←

15:24:32 <mhausenblas> Mark: Don't mind @href everywhere

Unknown Mark: Don't mind @href everywhere ←

15:25:10 <mhausenblas> ... but different layers (triple layer, render, etc.)

... but different layers (triple layer, render, etc.) ←

15:26:21 <mhausenblas> Mark: Misuse is possible, but that might not be a problem

Unknown Mark: Misuse is possible, but that might not be a problem ←

15:26:47 <mhausenblas> Ben: Try to find an agreement

Unknown Ben: Try to find an agreement ←

15:26:55 <mhausenblas> ... @href should be everywhere

... @href should be everywhere ←

15:27:09 <mhausenblas> ... but also need @resource

... but also need @resource ←

15:29:59 <RalphS> q+ to ask what our HTML5 position is w.r.t. @href

Unknown RalphS: q+ to ask what our HTML5 position is w.r.t. @href ←

15:30:45 <mhausenblas> Mark: One step at a time

Unknown Mark: One step at a time ←

15:31:04 <mhausenblas> ... @href might need to  become derefable

... @href might need to become derefable ←

15:32:16 <mhausenblas> Ralph: A bit confused ...

Unknown Ralph: A bit confused ... ←

15:32:37 <mhausenblas> ... in Mark's mail @href and @resource not the same semantics wrt RDFa

... in Mark's mail @href and @resource not the same semantics wrt RDFa ←

15:33:01 <mhausenblas> Mark: In XHTML 2 context not a problem

Unknown Mark: In XHTML 2 context not a problem ←

15:33:13 <mhausenblas> ... we can't enforce it in XHTML 1

... we can't enforce it in XHTML 1 ←

15:33:33 <mhausenblas> ... RDFa is about RDF - in (X)HTML

... RDFa is about RDF - in (X)HTML ←

15:33:59 <mhausenblas> ... not change the behaviour of host language

... not change the behaviour of host language ←

15:34:32 <mhausenblas> Ralph: But we can define how to behave wrt @resource

Unknown Ralph: But we can define how to behave wrt @resource ←

15:35:30 <mhausenblas> Mark: What I mean is, we try here to add functionality in the UA

Unknown Mark: What I mean is, we try here to add functionality in the UA ←

15:36:35 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Have a foot in both fields (RDF and HTML)

Unknown Ralph: Have a foot in both fields (RDF and HTML) ←

15:37:51 <mhausenblas> ACTION Ben to sum up @href/@resource everywhere proposal

ACTION Ben to sum up @href/@resource everywhere proposal ←

15:38:09 <mhausenblas> Topic: @class/@role/@new_attribute

3. @class/@role/@new_attribute

15:38:57 <mhausenblas> I'd opt for a new attrib (liked @instanceOf)

I'd opt for a new attrib (liked @instanceOf) ←

15:39:26 <mhausenblas> Ben: Preferences for new attribute?

Unknown Ben: Preferences for new attribute? ←

15:39:46 <mhausenblas> Ralph: No strong opinion

Unknown Ralph: No strong opinion ←

15:39:49 <RalphS> Ralph: from the pure RDF perspective, @href and @resource may have identical semantics.  We can also say that we do not expect UAs to go to great lengths to make @resource "navigable".  I would not, however, _prohibit_ UAs from making @resource have some interface representation

Unknown Ralph: from the pure RDF perspective, @href and @resource may have identical semantics. We can also say that we do not expect UAs to go to great lengths to make @resource "navigable". I would not, however, _prohibit_ UAs from making @resource have some interface representation [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:40:06 <mhausenblas> Steven: happy with new attrib

Unknown Steven: happy with new attrib ←

15:40:15 <mhausenblas> Ralph: new attrib would be ok

Unknown Ralph: new attrib would be ok ←

15:40:40 <mhausenblas> Ben: Looks like I'm the only one who prefers @class

Unknown Ben: Looks like I'm the only one who prefers @class ←

15:41:01 <RalphS> Ralph: architecturally, I believe a new attribute is the right choice

Unknown Ralph: architecturally, I believe a new attribute is the right choice [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:41:05 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Architectural POV would be good

Unknown Ralph: Architectural POV would be good ←

15:41:31 <RalphS> ... however I respect the well-adopted precedents in the community

Unknown RalphS: ... however I respect the well-adopted precedents in the community ←

15:41:39 <mhausenblas> Ben: Might cause problems

Unknown Ben: Might cause problems ←

15:42:12 <mhausenblas> Ben: Agreement to have new attrib

Unknown Ben: Agreement to have new attrib ←

15:42:41 <benadida> PROPOSAL: use a new attribute, not class or role, for syntactic sugar for rdf:type, name to be determined on the mailing list

PROPOSED: use a new attribute, not class or role, for syntactic sugar for rdf:type, name to be determined on the mailing list ←

15:43:01 <mhausenblas> BEN: Any oppostion?

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Unknown BEN: Any oppostion? ←

15:43:11 <benadida> RESOLVED, with ben's reservation regarding changing away from @class

Unknown benadida: RESOLVED, with ben's reservation regarding changing away from @class ←

15:43:24 <mhausenblas> Topic: @rel everywhere

4. @rel everywhere

15:43:30 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jul/0057

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jul/0057 ←

15:43:46 <mhausenblas> Ben: Let's split

Unknown Ben: Let's split ←

15:44:41 <mhausenblas> ... for bNode resolved

... for bNode resolved ←

15:45:16 <mhausenblas> Mark: Can live with @rel everywhere

Unknown Mark: Can live with @rel everywhere ←

15:45:31 <mhausenblas> ... but 'political' level

... but 'political' level ←

15:45:38 <mhausenblas> ... with all new attribs

... with all new attribs ←

15:46:00 <mhausenblas> Ben: So let's keep @rel

Unknown Ben: So let's keep @rel ←

15:46:17 <mhausenblas> ... striping discussed separatly

... striping discussed separatly ←

15:47:32 <mhausenblas> ... remaining issues: what happens when you have @href and @rel everywhere

... remaining issues: what happens when you have @href and @rel everywhere ←

15:47:56 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Fallback wrt HTML 5

Unknown Ralph: Fallback wrt HTML 5 ←

15:51:23 <mhausenblas> Ben: Will be addresses, though wide ranging

Unknown Ben: Will be addresses, though wide ranging ←

15:52:05 <mhausenblas> Shane: Example what @rel without @href means

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Unknown Shane: Example what @rel without @href means ←

15:52:40 <mhausenblas> Steven: New validator is available next week, AFAIK

Unknown Steven: New validator is available next week, AFAIK ←

15:53:03 <mhausenblas> Topic: @src

5. @src

15:53:08 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jul/0041

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jul/0041 ←

15:53:22 <benadida> <img about="s" rel="p" src="o" class="t">

Unknown benadida: <img about="s" rel="p" src="o" class="t"> ←

15:53:31 <benadida> <img about="s" rel="p" src="o" instanceof="t">

Unknown benadida: <img about="s" rel="p" src="o" instanceof="t"> ←

15:53:43 <benadida> s p o

Unknown benadida: s p o ←

15:53:48 <benadida> o rdf:type t

Unknown benadida: o rdf:type t ←

15:53:57 <mhausenblas> +1

+1 ←

15:54:37 <mhausenblas> Ben: As <img> has no content, this causes no prob

Unknown Ben: As <img> has no content, this causes no prob ←

15:54:50 <mhausenblas> ... same for <object>

... same for <object> ←

15:55:04 <RalphS> q+ to ask why it isn't [o rdf:type t]

Unknown RalphS: q+ to ask why it isn't [o rdf:type t] ←

15:55:15 <RalphS> q+ to ask why it isn't [s rdf:type t]

Unknown RalphS: q+ to ask why it isn't [s rdf:type t] ←

15:55:26 <mhausenblas> Ben: <script> may have no content either

Unknown Ben: <script> may have no content either ←

15:56:11 <RalphS> q+ to ask why it isn't [s rdf:type t]

Unknown RalphS: q+ to ask why it isn't [s rdf:type t] ←

15:56:40 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Why it isn't [s rdf:type t]

Unknown Ralph: Why it isn't [s rdf:type t] ←

15:56:55 <Zakim> -McCarron

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15:57:38 <mhausenblas> Mark: Because we are talking about the img

Unknown Mark: Because we are talking about the img ←

15:58:11 <mhausenblas> Michael: This might be a bit too much of syntactic sugar, confusing (new) RDFa users

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Unknown Michael: This might be a bit too much of syntactic sugar, confusing (new) RDFa users ←

15:58:17 <benadida> <div rel="foo:bar" instanceof="foo:Baz">

Unknown benadida: <div rel="foo:bar" instanceof="foo:Baz"> ←

15:58:54 <benadida> <div about="#a" rel="foo:bar" instanceof="foo:Baz">

Unknown benadida: <div about="#a" rel="foo:bar" instanceof="foo:Baz"> ←

15:59:53 <mhausenblas> Mark: Cf. to the 'old way' with link in div (bNode)

Unknown Mark: Cf. to the 'old way' with link in div (bNode) ←

16:00:18 <benadida> <#a> foo:bar [rdf:type foo:Baz]

Unknown benadida: <#a> foo:bar [rdf:type foo:Baz] ←

16:01:28 <mhausenblas> Mark: Nothing stops us writing it all longhand in the examples

Unknown Mark: Nothing stops us writing it all longhand in the examples ←

16:01:57 <mhausenblas> Ben: Can we agree on <img> @src behaves like @rel

Unknown Ben: Can we agree on <img> @src behaves like @rel ←

16:02:08 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Might need to study this deeper

Unknown Ralph: Might need to study this deeper ←

16:02:34 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

16:02:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

16:03:25 <RalphS> zakim, list participants

Unknown RalphS: zakim, list participants ←

16:03:25 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph, Ben, Steven, McCarron, Ben_Adida, +1.208.761.aaaa, Mark

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph, Ben, Steven, McCarron, Ben_Adida, +1.208.761.aaaa, Mark ←

16:03:31 <mhausenblas> Ben: We making good progress

Unknown Ben: We making good progress ←

16:03:37 <mhausenblas> Michael: TC TC TC :)

Unknown Michael: TC TC TC :) ←

16:03:57 <RalphS> q+ to mention f2f

Unknown RalphS: q+ to mention f2f ←

16:04:25 <mhausenblas> Ralph: F2F SWD-WG action

Unknown Ralph: F2F SWD-WG action ←

16:04:36 <mhausenblas> ... Nov TechPlenary meeting

... Nov TechPlenary meeting ←

16:05:05 <mhausenblas> ... but as of our schedule, we might not need a F2F, there

... but as of our schedule, we might not need a F2F, there ←

16:05:20 <mhausenblas> ... if so then in the context of the XHTML 2 WG

... if so then in the context of the XHTML 2 WG ←

16:05:38 <RalphS> ack me

Unknown RalphS: ack me ←

16:05:39 <Zakim> RalphS, you wanted to mention f2f

Zakim IRC Bot: RalphS, you wanted to mention f2f ←

16:06:14 <mhausenblas> Ben: Thanks everyone ... till next week

Unknown Ben: Thanks everyone ... till next week ←

16:06:15 <Zakim> -Mark

Zakim IRC Bot: -Mark ←

16:06:17 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

16:06:18 <Zakim> -Ralph

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ralph ←

16:06:19 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida

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16:06:23 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas

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16:06:32 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

16:06:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

16:06:39 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended ←

16:06:40 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph, Ben, Steven, McCarron, Ben_Adida, +1.208.761.aaaa, Mark

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph, Ben, Steven, McCarron, Ben_Adida, +1.208.761.aaaa, Mark ←

16:08:03 <RalphS> zakim, bye

Unknown RalphS: zakim, bye ←

17:16:24 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye

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Unknown RalphS: rrsagent, bye ←

17:16:24 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←

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