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14:52:56 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-irc
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14:53:04 <RalphS> Meeting: RDFa Task Force
14:53:17 <RalphS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jun/0144.html
14:53:46 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-minutes previous 2007-06-21
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Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-minutes previous 2007-06-21 ←
14:53:52 <RalphS> rrsagent, please make record public
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Unknown RalphS: rrsagent, please make record public ←
14:55:23 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
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14:55:31 <Zakim> +Michael_Hausenblas
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14:56:39 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
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Unknown mhausenblas: Zakim, who's here? ←
14:56:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Hausenblas
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14:56:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, RalphS, Steven, mhausenblas, kwijibo, ShaneM_
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14:57:47 <Zakim> +??P2
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14:57:51 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas
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14:57:52 <Zakim> +Michael_Hausenblas
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14:57:54 <ShaneM> zakim, ??p2 is ShaneM
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14:57:54 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
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14:58:23 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
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Unknown mhausenblas: Zakim, who's here? ←
14:58:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Hausenblas, ShaneM
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14:58:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, RalphS, Steven, mhausenblas, kwijibo, ShaneM
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15:00:10 <Zakim> +Ralph
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15:01:13 <benadida> nope, just on IRC
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Unknown benadida: nope, just on IRC ←
15:01:16 <benadida> am on another call
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Unknown benadida: am on another call ←
15:02:06 <RalphS> Chair: Shane
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15:03:32 <RalphS> Scribe: Ralph
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15:04:12 <Zakim> +??P16
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15:04:23 <Simone> Zakim, ??P16 is me
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15:04:23 <Zakim> +Simone; got it
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15:05:03 <RalphS> Michael: @about in HEAD is causing 2 of the test cases to not validate on new W3C validator
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Unknown Michael: @about in HEAD is causing 2 of the test cases to not validate on new W3C validator [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:05:18 <RalphS> ... cases 12 and 13
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Unknown RalphS: ... cases 12 and 13 ←
15:05:32 <RalphS> Shane: @about not permitted on HEAD
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Unknown Shane: @about not permitted on HEAD [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:05:52 <RalphS> ... there's a collection of attributes called COMMON, which includes @about
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Unknown RalphS: ... there's a collection of attributes called COMMON, which includes @about ←
15:05:58 <RalphS> ... but HEAD does not accept COMMON
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Unknown RalphS: ... but HEAD does not accept COMMON ←
15:06:08 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
15:06:08 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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15:06:09 <Zakim> +Steven
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15:06:14 <RalphS> ... this may be more of an XHTML question
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Unknown RalphS: ... this may be more of an XHTML question ←
15:06:18 <Zakim> +??P33
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15:06:23 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
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Unknown markbirbeck: zakim, i am ? ←
15:06:23 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
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15:08:32 <RalphS> Topic: Action Item Review
15:08:37 <RalphS> all actions still PENDING
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Unknown RalphS: all actions still PENDING ←
15:08:52 <RalphS> Topic: Test Cases
15:09:13 <RalphS> Michael: we should review the XHTML1.1 test cases today
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Unknown Michael: we should review the XHTML1.1 test cases today [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:09:22 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaTC wiki discuss
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Unknown mhausenblas: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaTC wiki discuss ←
15:09:58 <RalphS> RDFaTC (last edited 2007-06-28 12:19:20 by MichaelHausenblas)
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Unknown RalphS: RDFaTC (last edited 2007-06-28 12:19:20 by MichaelHausenblas) ←
15:10:13 <Steven> I get 404 on the actual tests
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Unknown Steven: I get 404 on the actual tests ←
15:10:29 <RalphS> Michael: I removed a couple of cases because they were out of date w.r.t. current syntax
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Unknown Michael: I removed a couple of cases because they were out of date w.r.t. current syntax [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:11:07 <RalphS> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0001
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Unknown RalphS: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0001 ←
15:11:44 <RalphS> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/
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Unknown RalphS: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/ ←
15:11:50 <RalphS> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0001.xhtml
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Unknown RalphS: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0001.xhtml ←
15:12:34 <RalphS> Michael: the -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/rdfa-xhtml1-test-manifest.rdf manifest file describes the structure
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Unknown Michael: the -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/rdfa-xhtml1-test-manifest.rdf manifest file describes the structure [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:13:22 <RalphS> ACTION: Michael create a .htaccess hack to make the test case identifiers resolve to something useful
ACTION: Michael create a .htaccess hack to make the test case identifiers resolve to something useful ←
15:13:59 <RalphS> Michael: let's go through to decide which are valid
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Unknown Michael: let's go through to decide which are valid [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:14:35 <RalphS> ... do view source on the .xhtml and .sparql
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Unknown RalphS: ... do view source on the .xhtml and .sparql ←
15:15:27 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2006%2F07%2FSWD%2FRDFa%2Ftestsuite%2Fwork%2Fmanifest2html.xslt&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2006%2F07%2FSWD%2FRDFa%2Ftestsuite%2Fxhtml1-testcases%2Frdfa-xhtml1-test-manifest.rdf&content-type=&submit=transform
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Unknown mhausenblas: http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2006%2F07%2FSWD%2FRDFa%2Ftestsuite%2Fwork%2Fmanifest2html.xslt&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2006%2F07%2FSWD%2FRDFa%2Ftestsuite%2Fxhtml1-testcases%2Frdfa-xhtml1-test-manifest.rdf&content-type=&submit=transform ←
15:15:39 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/Overview.html#ManifestFiles
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Unknown mhausenblas: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/Overview.html#ManifestFiles ←
15:16:23 <RalphS> [trying to load the manifest.rdf into http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/tab ]
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Unknown RalphS: [trying to load the manifest.rdf into http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/tab ] ←
15:17:33 <RalphS> Shane: we're talking about XHTML1.1 with RDFa annotation
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Unknown Shane: we're talking about XHTML1.1 with RDFa annotation [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:17:54 <RalphS> ... focussing for the moment on META and LINK, Mark and I have extended the content model for META and LINK
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Unknown RalphS: ... focussing for the moment on META and LINK, Mark and I have extended the content model for META and LINK ←
15:18:03 <RalphS> ... we originally did this in the context of XHTML2
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Unknown RalphS: ... we originally did this in the context of XHTML2 ←
15:18:10 <RalphS> ... is it right to be pulling this back into XHTML1.1 ?
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Unknown RalphS: ... is it right to be pulling this back into XHTML1.1 ? ←
15:18:16 <RalphS> Mark: it was right for XHTML2
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Unknown Mark: it was right for XHTML2 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:18:32 <RalphS> ... it has since emerged that browsers move LINK and META back into HEAD
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Unknown RalphS: ... it has since emerged that browsers move LINK and META back into HEAD ←
15:18:42 <RalphS> ... so we have an issue to consider removing that functionality
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Unknown RalphS: ... so we have an issue to consider removing that functionality ←
15:18:56 <RalphS> Shane: the issue has been raised about META and LINK in BODY
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Unknown Shane: the issue has been raised about META and LINK in BODY [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:19:08 <RalphS> ... but no issue yet on content in META and LINK
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Unknown RalphS: ... but no issue yet on content in META and LINK ←
15:19:20 <RalphS> ... so it occurs to me now that these test cases are probably wrong [for XHTML1.1]
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Unknown RalphS: ... so it occurs to me now that these test cases are probably wrong [for XHTML1.1] ←
15:19:45 <RalphS> Mark: this comes back to the question of changing the host language
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Unknown Mark: this comes back to the question of changing the host language [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:20:09 <RalphS> ... in terms of deployed browsers, it's difficult to permit content in META and LINK
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Unknown RalphS: ... in terms of deployed browsers, it's difficult to permit content in META and LINK ←
15:20:31 <RalphS> ... <META> and </META> are two different elements in [current] parsers
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Unknown RalphS: ... <META> and </META> are two different elements in [current] parsers ←
15:20:57 <RalphS> ... so nothing after <META> is not currently interpreted as a child of META
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Unknown RalphS: ... so nothing after <META> is not currently interpreted as a child of META ←
15:22:02 <RalphS> Michael: I believe TCs 2 and 3 should not be considered right now for XHTML+RDFa
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Unknown Michael: I believe TCs 2 and 3 should not be considered right now for XHTML+RDFa [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:23:52 <RalphS> Michael: so the result of the SPARQL query on TC 1 should be TRUE
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Unknown Michael: so the result of the SPARQL query on TC 1 should be TRUE [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:24:04 <RalphS> Shane: all tests should be structured so TRUE result means 'pass'
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Unknown Shane: all tests should be structured so TRUE result means 'pass' [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:24:15 <RalphS> Mark: what did we decide about language?
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Unknown Mark: what did we decide about language? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:24:25 <RalphS> Michael: see Section 3 of Test Suite overview
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Unknown Michael: see Section 3 of Test Suite overview [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:24:29 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/Overview.html#Conformance
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Unknown mhausenblas: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/Overview.html#Conformance ←
15:24:36 <RalphS> Mark: best practice in XHTML is to include xml:lang
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Unknown Mark: best practice in XHTML is to include xml:lang [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:25:09 <RalphS> Shane: on the HTML element?
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Unknown Shane: on the HTML element? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:25:19 <RalphS> Mark: yes, but need to check that this is current best practice
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Unknown Mark: yes, but need to check that this is current best practice [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:25:26 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
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Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←
15:26:01 <RalphS> Steven: yes, normally the HTML element should have @xml:lang but I'm not sure what is best for our test cases
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Unknown Steven: yes, normally the HTML element should have @xml:lang but I'm not sure what is best for our test cases [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:26:03 <Zakim> +??P33
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15:26:06 <RalphS> ... do we want a lang triple?
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Unknown RalphS: ... do we want a lang triple? ←
15:26:13 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
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Unknown markbirbeck: zakim, i am ? ←
15:26:13 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
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15:28:16 <RalphS> Ralph: so we do not expect that there is more than one triple that MUST be generated in TC1?
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Unknown Ralph: so we do not expect that there is more than one triple that MUST be generated in TC1? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:28:18 <RalphS> Michael: yes
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Unknown Michael: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:29:34 <RalphS> RESOLVED: TC1 accepted
RESOLVED: TC1 accepted ←
15:29:47 <RalphS> Michael: 2 through 4 should be removed until syntax questions are settled
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Unknown Michael: 2 through 4 should be removed until syntax questions are settled [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:30:05 <RalphS> RESOLVED: TC2, TC3, and TC4 to be removed
RESOLVED: TC2, TC3, and TC4 to be removed ←
15:30:20 <RalphS> Michael: I suggest removing TC5 as well
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Unknown Michael: I suggest removing TC5 as well [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:30:29 <RalphS> RESOLVED: TC5 to be removed
RESOLVED: TC5 to be removed ←
15:32:05 <RalphS> [yay! http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/rdfa-xhtml1-test-manifest.rdf does load in Tabulator. The Purpose property seems to be the description I'm looking for]
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Unknown RalphS: [yay! http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/rdfa-xhtml1-test-manifest.rdf does load in Tabulator. The Purpose property seems to be the description I'm looking for] ←
15:32:08 <ShaneM> There are assertions in hee: http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2006%2F07%2FSWD%2FRDFa%2Ftestsuite%2Fwork%2Fmanifest2html.xslt&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2006%2F07%2FSWD%2FRDFa%2Ftestsuite%2Fxhtml1-testcases%2Frdfa-xhtml1-test-manifest.rdf&content-type=&submit=transform
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Unknown ShaneM: There are assertions in hee: http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2006%2F07%2FSWD%2FRDFa%2Ftestsuite%2Fwork%2Fmanifest2html.xslt&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2006%2F07%2FSWD%2FRDFa%2Ftestsuite%2Fxhtml1-testcases%2Frdfa-xhtml1-test-manifest.rdf&content-type=&submit=transform ←
15:32:55 <RalphS> Mark: we shouldn't drop an @xml:base test -- so we should revise TC4 rather than remove it
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Unknown Mark: we shouldn't drop an @xml:base test -- so we should revise TC4 rather than remove it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:34:14 <mhausenblas> http://validator-test.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2006%2F07%2FSWD%2FRDFa%2Ftestsuite%2Fxhtml1-testcases%2F0004.xhtml&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
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Unknown mhausenblas: http://validator-test.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2006%2F07%2FSWD%2FRDFa%2Ftestsuite%2Fxhtml1-testcases%2F0004.xhtml&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0 ←
15:34:40 <RalphS> Shane: it's ok to put @xml:base on SPAN but the test then needs to put something in the content to test
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Unknown Shane: it's ok to put @xml:base on SPAN but the test then needs to put something in the content to test [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:35:03 <RalphS> Michael: but the markup doesn't currently validate
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Unknown Michael: but the markup doesn't currently validate [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:35:17 <RalphS> ACTION: Shane investigate the @xml:base validation issue
ACTION: Shane investigate the @xml:base validation issue ←
15:35:30 <RalphS> Shane: @xml:base should work everywhere; the DTDs may be broken
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Unknown Shane: @xml:base should work everywhere; the DTDs may be broken [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:36:07 <RalphS> Michael: I don't want to propose any test cases that the W3C validator rejects
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Unknown Michael: I don't want to propose any test cases that the W3C validator rejects [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:36:22 <RalphS> Shane: but this case seems to be a bug in the validator, which I'll look into
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Unknown Shane: but this case seems to be a bug in the validator, which I'll look into [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:37:27 <RalphS> Michael: call test case 4 "on hold"
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Unknown Michael: call test case 4 "on hold" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:38:14 <RalphS> Mark: similarly, TC2 and TC3 have no particular reason to be in BODY; the important parts of those tests could just as well be done in HEAD
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Unknown Mark: similarly, TC2 and TC3 have no particular reason to be in BODY; the important parts of those tests could just as well be done in HEAD [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:38:54 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html#s_structuremodule
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Unknown Steven: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html#s_structuremodule ←
15:39:06 <ShaneM> ACTION: SHANE to correct DTD to permit RDFa attributes on the head element.
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Unknown ShaneM: ACTION: SHANE to correct DTD to permit RDFa attributes on the head element. ←
15:39:34 <RalphS> Michael: so TC2 and TC3 should be changed to "on hold" and I will move the LINK and META to the HEAD
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Unknown Michael: so TC2 and TC3 should be changed to "on hold" and I will move the LINK and META to the HEAD [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:41:04 <RalphS> Michael: TC6 is about @rel and @rev
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Unknown Michael: TC6 is about @rel and @rev [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:41:14 <RalphS> Steven: was concerned for a moment about IMG but looks fine
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Unknown Steven: was concerned for a moment about foaf:img but looks fine [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:41:27 <Steven> s/IMG/foaf:img/
15:41:29 <RalphS> RESOLVED: TC6 accepted
RESOLVED: TC6 accepted ←
15:41:44 <RalphS> Mark: can we get rid of excess namespaces at the top?
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Unknown Mark: can we get rid of excess namespaces at the top? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:42:15 <RalphS> Ralph: yeah, I think stripping the test cases down to the essentials is better
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Unknown Ralph: yeah, I think stripping the test cases down to the essentials is better [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:42:23 <RalphS> Steven: I'm happy with TC7
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Unknown Steven: I'm happy with TC7 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:42:47 <RalphS> Shane: I agree that test cases should be minimal; excess stuff could be a perturbation
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Unknown Shane: I agree that test cases should be minimal; excess stuff could be a perturbation [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:43:04 <RalphS> RESOLVED: TC7 ok
RESOLVED: TC7 ok ←
15:43:56 <RalphS> TC8 - empty string @about
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Unknown RalphS: TC8 - empty string @about ←
15:45:15 <RalphS> Ralph: the triple would be the same if @about were missing
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Unknown Ralph: the triple would be the same if @about were missing [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:45:21 <RalphS> Steven: that's worth testing also
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Unknown Steven: that's worth testing also [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:46:35 <RalphS> Ralph: I'd suggest a separate test case that omits @about
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Unknown Ralph: I'd suggest a separate test case that omits @about [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:46:59 <RalphS> RESOLVED: TC8 ok
RESOLVED: TC8 ok ←
15:47:13 <RalphS> ACTION: Michael add a test case that test for omitted @about
ACTION: Michael add a test case that test for omitted @about ←
15:47:57 <RalphS> TC9 - @rev
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Unknown RalphS: TC9 - @rev ←
15:48:44 <RalphS> Mark: might want to change the TC order; e.g. test @rev, @rel independently then test the combination
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Unknown Mark: might want to change the TC order; e.g. test @rev, @rel independently then test the combination [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:48:53 <RalphS> Shane: good test cases are independent, which includes order
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Unknown Shane: good test cases are independent, which includes order [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:49:19 <RalphS> Mark: given that we're using example.org I think it's worthwile adding fragment identifiers
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Unknown Mark: given that we're using example.org I think it's worthwile adding fragment identifiers [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:49:32 <RalphS> ... so that these aren't information resources
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Unknown RalphS: ... so that these aren't information resources ←
15:49:58 <RalphS> RESOLVED: TC9 ok, with #frag added
RESOLVED: TC9 ok, with #frag added ←
15:50:24 <RalphS> TC10 - @rel, @rev, @href
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Unknown RalphS: TC10 - @rel, @rev, @href ←
15:50:41 <RalphS> RESOLVED: TC10 ok, with #frag added
RESOLVED: TC10 ok, with #frag added ←
15:51:15 <RalphS> TC11 - XMLLiteral
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Unknown RalphS: TC11 - XMLLiteral ←
15:51:56 <RalphS> Shane: the SPARQL doesn't escape '<' and '>' -- does it need to?
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Unknown Shane: the SPARQL doesn't escape '<' and '>' -- does it need to? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:52:15 <RalphS> Michael: that's the way RDF defines XMLLiteral
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Unknown Michael: that's the way RDF defines XMLLiteral [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:53:18 <RalphS> Ralph: the SPARQL expression is not itself encoded in XML so the special characters do not need to be escaped there
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Unknown Ralph: the SPARQL expression is not itself encoded in XML so the special characters do not need to be escaped there [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:53:22 <RalphS> RESOLVED: TC11 ok
RESOLVED: TC11 ok ←
15:53:55 <RalphS> TC12 - @xml:lang
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Unknown RalphS: TC12 - @xml:lang ←
15:53:58 <RalphS> RESOLVED: TC12 ok
RESOLVED: TC12 ok ←
15:54:43 <RalphS> TC13 - @xml:lang inheritance
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Unknown RalphS: TC13 - @xml:lang inheritance ←
15:54:50 <RalphS> Michael: same issue with @about
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Unknown Michael: same issue with @about [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:55:00 <RalphS> RESOLVED: TC13 ok
RESOLVED: TC13 ok ←
15:55:14 <RalphS> TC14 - @datatype, xsd:integer
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Unknown RalphS: TC14 - @datatype, xsd:integer ←
15:55:54 <RalphS> RESOLVED: TC14 ok
RESOLVED: TC14 ok ←
15:56:33 <RalphS> TC15 - Blank node via meta and link
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Unknown RalphS: TC15 - Blank node via meta and link ←
15:57:14 <RalphS> RESOLVED: TC15 ok
RESOLVED: TC15 ok ←
15:57:52 <RalphS> Steven: does 15 really produce a blank node?
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Unknown Steven: does 15 really produce a blank node? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:57:57 <RalphS> Michael: the title is misleading
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Unknown Michael: the title is misleading [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:58:03 <RalphS> ACTION: Michael correct TC15 title
ACTION: Michael correct TC15 title ←
15:58:51 <RalphS> TC16 - Blank node, explicit
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Unknown RalphS: TC16 - Blank node, explicit ←
15:58:58 <RalphS> Michael: propose to put TC16 on hold
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Unknown Michael: propose to put TC16 on hold [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:59:09 <RalphS> Mark: the test does what it claims, the question is about CURIEs
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Unknown Mark: the test does what it claims, the question is about CURIEs [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:59:40 <RalphS> Michael: same applies to TC17
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Unknown Michael: same applies to TC17 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:59:53 <RalphS> RESOLVED: TC16, TC17 on hold pending CURIE decision
RESOLVED: TC16, TC17 on hold pending CURIE decision ←
16:01:01 <RalphS> TC18 - @rel for predicate
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Unknown RalphS: TC18 - @rel for predicate ←
16:01:07 <RalphS> Shane: what does this do differently?
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Unknown Shane: what does this do differently? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
16:01:16 <RalphS> Mark: this tests @rel alone
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Unknown Mark: this tests @rel alone [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
16:01:20 <RalphS> RESOLVED: TC18 ok
RESOLVED: TC18 ok ←
16:01:52 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
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16:01:53 <Zakim> -Steven
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16:01:53 <RalphS> [adjourned]
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Unknown RalphS: [adjourned] ←
16:01:55 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas
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16:02:07 <Zakim> -Ralph
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16:02:08 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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16:02:10 <mhausenblas> Thank you all for the hard work!!!
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Unknown mhausenblas: Thank you all for the hard work!!! ←
16:02:28 <Zakim> -Simone
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16:02:29 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended ←
16:02:31 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Hausenblas, ShaneM, Ralph, Simone, Steven, markbirbeck
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16:02:33 <RalphS> [I think you did most of the truly hard work, Michael!]
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Unknown RalphS: [I think you did most of the truly hard work, Michael!] ←
16:02:51 <RalphS> [or, at least, the tedious work]
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Unknown RalphS: [or, at least, the tedious work] ←
16:03:04 <mhausenblas> well elias and wing did - i just had the pleasure to present it ...
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Unknown mhausenblas: well elias and wing did - i just had the pleasure to present it ... ←
16:03:12 <mhausenblas> more or less ;)
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Unknown mhausenblas: more or less ;) ←
16:03:36 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben get further input from Creative Commons on @RESOURCE and @HREF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]
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Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Ben get further input from Creative Commons on @RESOURCE and @HREF [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←
16:03:44 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark get input from Joost on @HREF everywhere [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
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Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Mark get input from Joost on @HREF everywhere [recorded in ACTION-14]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-14] ←
16:03:58 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben send email to SWD WG list summarizing RDFa document status [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
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Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Ben send email to SWD WG list summarizing RDFa document status [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02] ←
16:03:58 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to figure out the RDFa-GRDDL-profile URI (at w3.org) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]
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Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to figure out the RDFa-GRDDL-profile URI (at w3.org) [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←
16:04:06 <mhausenblas> ralph hang on for a second pls
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Unknown mhausenblas: ralph hang on for a second pls ←
16:04:11 <RalphS> ok
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Unknown RalphS: ok ←
16:04:28 <RalphS> oops, actually I wonder if Ben's SWD WG list action is done?
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Unknown RalphS: oops, actually I wonder if Ben's SWD WG list action is done? ←
16:04:47 <mhausenblas> yep
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Unknown mhausenblas: yep ←
16:05:12 <RalphS> yea, done, -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0155.html An Update on RDFa Schedule and Docs
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Unknown RalphS: yea, done, -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0155.html An Update on RDFa Schedule and Docs ←
16:05:58 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action01]
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Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←
16:06:04 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa/RDFCoverage
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Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa/RDFCoverage ←
16:06:04 <RalphS> [12:04] <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are
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Unknown RalphS: [12:04] <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are ←
16:06:17 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa/RDFCoverage RDF Coverage
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Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa/RDFCoverage RDF Coverage ←
16:06:26 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
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Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in ACTION-04]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-04] ←
16:06:33 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]
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Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-10] ←
16:06:39 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]
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Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-08] ←
16:06:45 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25]
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Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in ACTION-25]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-25] ←
16:08:29 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
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Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←
16:08:32 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
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Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←
16:08:43 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
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Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←
16:09:20 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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Unknown RalphS: rrsagent, please draft minutes ←
16:09:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS ←
16:10:28 <RalphS> actually, it's fun to look at the manifest in tabulator
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Unknown RalphS: actually, it's fun to look at the manifest in tabulator ←
16:10:37 <RalphS> I'll think about what may make it even more fun :)
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Unknown RalphS: I'll think about what may make it even more fun :) ←
16:10:46 <mhausenblas> I'll have a look (but zitgist is alos nice :)
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Unknown mhausenblas: I'll have a look (but zitgist is alos nice :) ←
16:11:17 <RalphS> Regrets: Ben
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16:12:59 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Ben send email to SWD WG list summarizing RDFa document status [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
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Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: Ben send email to SWD WG list summarizing RDFa document status [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02] ←
16:14:30 <RalphS> ooh, yeah, http://browser.zitgist.com:8890/?uri=http%3A//www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/rdfa-xhtml1-test-manifest.rdf is nice too
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Unknown RalphS: ooh, yeah, http://browser.zitgist.com:8890/?uri=http%3A//www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/rdfa-xhtml1-test-manifest.rdf is nice too ←
16:14:40 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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Unknown RalphS: rrsagent, please draft minutes ←
16:14:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS
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16:15:00 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
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Unknown RalphS: rrsagent, bye ←
16:15:00 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-actions.rdf : ←
16:15:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael create a .htaccess hack to make the test case identifiers resolve to something useful [1]
ACTION: Michael create a .htaccess hack to make the test case identifiers resolve to something useful [1] ←
16:15:00 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-irc#T15-13-22
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-irc#T15-13-22 ←
16:15:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane investigate the @xml:base validation issue [2]
ACTION: Shane investigate the @xml:base validation issue [2] ←
16:15:00 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-irc#T15-35-17
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-irc#T15-35-17 ←
16:15:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SHANE to correct DTD to permit RDFa attributes on the head element. [3]
ACTION: SHANE to correct DTD to permit RDFa attributes on the head element. [3] ←
16:15:00 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-irc#T15-39-06
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-irc#T15-39-06 ←
16:15:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael add a test case that test for omitted @about [4]
ACTION: Michael add a test case that test for omitted @about [4] ←
16:15:00 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-irc#T15-47-13
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-irc#T15-47-13 ←
16:15:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael correct TC15 title [5]
ACTION: Michael correct TC15 title [5] ←
16:15:00 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-irc#T15-58-03
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-rdfa-irc#T15-58-03 ←
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