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W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2007-03-26, 13:00 UTC

Minutes of 26 March 2007

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Unknown Ralph, Unknown Birbeck, Unknown Steven, Unknown Hausenblas
Regrets
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Unknown Ralph
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Unknown mhausenblas, Unknown Michael, Unknown ralphs
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12:51:09 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/03/26-rdfa-irc

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12:51:46 <mhausenblas> zakim, list conferences

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Unknown mhausenblas: zakim, list conferences

12:51:46 <Zakim> I see Team_SysWeb()8:00AM active

Zakim IRC Bot: I see Team_SysWeb()8:00AM active

12:51:47 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are MWI_DDWG()9:00AM, WS_Team()9:00AM, SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: also scheduled at this time are MWI_DDWG()9:00AM, WS_Team()9:00AM, SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM

12:52:08 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)

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Unknown mhausenblas: zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)

12:52:08 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

12:52:27 <mhausenblas> Meeting: W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2007-03-26, 13:00 UTC
12:53:45 <mhausenblas> agenda+ RDFa Test Cases [mhausenblas]

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Unknown mhausenblas: agenda+ RDFa Test Cases [mhausenblas]

12:53:59 <mhausenblas> agenda?

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Unknown mhausenblas: agenda?

12:56:14 <RalphS> rrsagent, please make record public

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Unknown RalphS: rrsagent, please make record public

12:57:13 <RalphS> did Elias post minutes of last week?

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Unknown RalphS: did Elias post minutes of last week?

12:57:45 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2007-03-19

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Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2007-03-19

12:57:55 <RalphS> well, those are still raw/unedited

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Unknown RalphS: well, those are still raw/unedited

12:58:01 <RalphS> but I suppose they'll have to do

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Unknown RalphS: but I suppose they'll have to do

12:58:26 <RalphS> [checking inbox to be sure I didn't miss mail from Elias with an updated attachment ...]

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Unknown RalphS: [checking inbox to be sure I didn't miss mail from Elias with an updated attachment ...]

12:58:53 <RalphS> [nope, don't see any update]

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Unknown RalphS: [nope, don't see any update]

13:00:22 <Steven> zakim, who is here?

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Unknown Steven: zakim, who is here?

13:00:22 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM has not yet started, Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM has not yet started, Steven

13:00:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see Steven, RalphS, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Steven, RalphS, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas

13:00:52 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM has now started

13:01:00 <Zakim> +Ralph

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ralph

13:01:15 <Zakim> + +043316876aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +043316876aaaa

13:01:15 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBMCambridge]

13:01:19 <wing> zakim, IBMCambridge is wing

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Unknown wing: zakim, IBMCambridge is wing

13:01:19 <Zakim> +wing; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +wing; got it

13:01:42 <RalphS> zakim, aaaa is mhausenblas

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Unknown RalphS: zakim, aaaa is mhausenblas

13:01:42 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas; got it

13:01:57 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617

13:01:57 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made

13:01:59 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven

13:04:50 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#ACTION-01]

13:04:54 <RalphS> -- continues

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Unknown RalphS: -- continues

13:04:58 <RalphS> Topic: Action Review

1. Action Review

13:04:59 <Zakim> + +44.442.076.89.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.442.076.89.aabb

13:05:08 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Ben to get back in touch with Ian about eRDF/RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]

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Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: Ben to get back in touch with Ian about eRDF/RDFa [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-08]

13:05:34 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben to include agenda item for approval of existing tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]

ACTION: Ben to include agenda item for approval of existing tests [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02]

13:05:36 <RalphS> -- continues

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Unknown RalphS: -- continues

13:05:48 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]

ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in ACTION-04]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-04]

13:05:49 <RalphS> -- continues

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Unknown RalphS: -- continues

13:06:04 <RalphS> zakim, aabb is Mark

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Unknown RalphS: zakim, aabb is Mark

13:06:04 <Zakim> +Mark; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Mark; got it

13:06:12 <RalphS> zakim, nick markb is mark

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Unknown RalphS: zakim, nick markb is mark

13:06:12 <Zakim> ok, RalphS, I now associate MarkB with Mark

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, RalphS, I now associate MarkB with Mark

13:06:28 <RalphS> zakim, pick a victim

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Unknown RalphS: zakim, pick a victim

13:06:28 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose mhausenblas

13:06:46 <RalphS> zakim, pick a victim

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Unknown RalphS: zakim, pick a victim

13:06:46 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Mark

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Mark

13:06:59 <RalphS> Chair: Ralph

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13:07:07 <RalphS> Scribe: mhausenblas

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(Scribe set to Unknown mhausenblas)

13:07:07 <mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas

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13:07:15 <RalphS> Scribe: Michael

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(Scribe set to Unknown Michael)

13:07:37 <RalphS> ACTION: MarkB to ask Shane to make his document public [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action23]

ACTION: MarkB to ask Shane to make his document public [recorded in ACTION-23]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-23]

13:07:39 <RalphS> -- continues

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Unknown RalphS: -- continues

13:07:45 <mhausenblas> Present: Ralph, Mark Birbeck, Steven, Wing Michael Hausenblas

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13:07:59 <mhausenblas> Regrets: Ben

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13:08:05 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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Unknown mhausenblas: RRSAgent, draft minutes

13:08:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/26-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/26-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

13:08:13 <RalphS> ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25]

ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in ACTION-25]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-25]

13:08:13 <mhausenblas> agenda?

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Unknown mhausenblas: agenda?

13:08:22 <RalphS> -- continues

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Unknown RalphS: -- continues

13:08:47 <RalphS> Mark: that came from IPTC work; element content becomes rdfs:label

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Unknown Mark: that came from IPTC work; element content becomes rdfs:label [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:08:51 <RalphS> ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11]

13:08:55 <mhausenblas> Topic: Action Items

2. Action Items

13:09:09 <wing> http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/testSchema#

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Unknown wing: http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/testSchema#

13:09:11 <wing> http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/testSchema#discussion

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Unknown wing: http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/testSchema#discussion

13:09:13 <wing> http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/testSchema#issue

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Unknown wing: http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/testSchema#issue

13:09:50 <RalphS> -- done

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Unknown RalphS: -- done

13:10:00 <RalphS> Wing: I'll add some examples into the existing test cases

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Unknown Wing: I'll add some examples into the existing test cases [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:10:11 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0001.html to see if issue has been resolved [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]

ACTION: Ben to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0001.html to see if issue has been resolved [recorded in ACTION-17]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-17]

13:10:15 <RalphS> -- continues

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Unknown RalphS: -- continues

13:10:27 <RalphS> ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]

ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-08]

13:10:30 <RalphS> -- continues

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13:10:53 <RalphS> ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]

ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-06]

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13:11:19 <RalphS> Mark: still needs a public version, plus some questions from Shane to me to which he'd like answers

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Unknown Mark: still needs a public version, plus some questions from Shane to me to which he'd like answers [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:11:30 <RalphS> ... Shane may be holding public version awaiting my answers

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Unknown RalphS: ... Shane may be holding public version awaiting my answers

13:11:54 <RalphS> ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module using XML Schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]

ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module using XML Schema [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-06]

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13:12:04 <RalphS> Mark: that's part of discussion with Shane

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Unknown Mark: that's part of discussion with Shane [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:12:19 <RalphS> [DONE ]ACTION: Michael continue work on the FAQ template that Elias started [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]

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Unknown RalphS: [DONE ]ACTION: Michael continue work on the FAQ template that Elias started [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-10]

13:12:21 <mhausenblas> --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Mar/0076.html FAQ Wiki update by Simone

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Unknown mhausenblas: --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Mar/0076.html FAQ Wiki update by Simone

13:12:44 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Michael to prepare RDF/XML - RDFa comparison wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action09]

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Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: Michael to prepare RDF/XML - RDFa comparison wiki page [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-09]

13:12:48 <RalphS> Michael: Simone did that one

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Unknown Michael: Simone did that one [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:12:58 <RalphS> ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-01]

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13:13:09 <RalphS> zakim, is elias here?

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Unknown RalphS: zakim, is elias here?

13:13:09 <Zakim> RalphS, I do not see Elias anywhere

Zakim IRC Bot: RalphS, I do not see Elias anywhere

13:13:29 <RalphS> ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]

ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-10]

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13:13:40 <RalphS> ACTION: Elias to look for cases where plain literal is more of a common use. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action24]

ACTION: Elias to look for cases where plain literal is more of a common use. [recorded in ACTION-24]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-24]

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13:13:56 <RalphS> agenda?

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Unknown RalphS: agenda?

13:14:18 <mhausenblas> agenda+ XMLLiteral [Steven]

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Unknown mhausenblas: agenda+ XMLLiteral [Steven]

13:14:34 <RalphS> zakim, move to next agendum

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Unknown RalphS: zakim, move to next agendum

13:14:34 <Zakim> agendum 1. "RDFa Test Cases" taken up [from mhausenblas]

3. RDFa Test Cases

13:14:42 <RalphS> scribenick: ralphs

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13:14:54 <RalphS> Michael: Wing is working hard on adapting all the new test cases

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Unknown Michael: Wing is working hard on adapting all the new test cases [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:15:19 <RalphS> ... I'm waiting for approval from the group to move 29 or 30 more in

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Unknown RalphS: ... I'm waiting for approval from the group to move 29 or 30 more in

13:15:27 <RalphS> ... does this approval need to come from TF or from the WG?

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Unknown RalphS: ... does this approval need to come from TF or from the WG?

13:15:35 <RalphS> ... these 29 or 30 will be the initial set

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Unknown RalphS: ... these 29 or 30 will be the initial set

13:15:44 <RalphS> ... can then make more from Primer or from the mailing list

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Unknown RalphS: ... can then make more from Primer or from the mailing list

13:15:59 <RalphS> ... hope to have inital ones done this week

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Unknown RalphS: ... hope to have initial ones done this week

13:16:08 <RalphS> ... can think about using test suite for REC-track

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Unknown RalphS: ... can think about using test suite for REC-track

13:16:20 <Steven> s/inital/initial/
13:16:50 <RalphS> ... please look at what's there and comment

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Unknown RalphS: ... please look at what's there and comment

13:17:19 <mhausenblas> --> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/ RDFa Test Suite

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Unknown mhausenblas: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/ RDFa Test Suite

13:17:49 <RalphS> Ralph: regarding 'approval', I suggest that Task Force approval is sufficient and we'll get review from the two WGs when we propose to publish a document

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Unknown Ralph: regarding 'approval', I suggest that Task Force approval is sufficient and we'll get review from the two WGs when we propose to publish a document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:18:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/26-rdfa-minutes.html Steven

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/26-rdfa-minutes.html Steven

13:19:03 <RalphS> Mark: I've been using the data but most of my work is client-side so I haven't been trying to use the test suite directly

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Unknown Mark: I've been using the data but most of my work is client-side so I haven't been trying to use the test suite directly [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:19:35 <Steven> s/-->/->/
13:19:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/26-rdfa-minutes.html Steven

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/26-rdfa-minutes.html Steven

13:20:02 <RalphS> Mark: ... I have a client-side RDFa parser that supports plug-ins

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Unknown Mark: ... I have a client-side RDFa parser that supports plug-ins [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:20:28 <RalphS> ... xforms processor allows 'selenium' plug-ins too

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Unknown RalphS: ... xforms processor allows 'selenium' plug-ins too

13:20:37 <MarkB> It's called Selenium...

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Unknown MarkB: It's called Selenium...

13:20:47 <MarkB> ...and it's by OpenQA.

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Unknown MarkB: ...and it's by OpenQA.

13:20:55 <Steven> http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/2007/03/formsplayer-provides-support-for.html

Unknown Steven: http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/2007/03/formsplayer-provides-support-for.html

13:21:22 <Steven> http://www.openqa.org/selenium/

Unknown Steven: http://www.openqa.org/selenium/

13:22:31 <mhausenblas> next agendum

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Unknown mhausenblas: next agendum

13:22:37 <RalphS> zakim, move to next agendum

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Unknown RalphS: zakim, move to next agendum

13:22:37 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, RalphS

Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 2 was just opened, RalphS

13:22:43 <RalphS> zakim, move to agendum 2

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Unknown RalphS: zakim, move to agendum 2

13:22:43 <Zakim> agendum 2. "XMLLiteral" taken up [from Steven via mhausenblas]

4. XMLLiteral

13:23:49 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Who wants to sum up?

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Unknown Ralph: Who wants to sum up? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mhausenblas ]

13:24:05 <mhausenblas> Steven: Looks like we are converging

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Unknown Steven: Looks like we are converging [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mhausenblas ]

13:24:12 <RalphS> scribenick: mhausenblas

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13:24:39 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Anybody implemented current proposal?

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Unknown Ralph: Anybody implemented current proposal?

13:24:58 <mhausenblas> Mark: I did

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Unknown Mark: I did

13:26:20 <Steven> Steven: It looks like we are converging on a consensus position of "If there is markup it is a literal, if not, it is plain text, and values of @datatype are available to override the default"

Unknown Steven: It looks like we are converging on a consensus position of "If there is markup it is a literal, if not, it is plain text, and values of @datatype are available to override the default" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Steven ]

13:26:56 <mhausenblas> Mark: Regarding lookahead (SAX) ... some worries from Elias

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Unknown Mark: Regarding lookahead (SAX) ... some worries from Elias

13:27:20 <mhausenblas> ... though possible to do

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... though possible to do

13:27:42 <mhausenblas> ... One thing not commented on the list is (from Ivan)

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... One thing not commented on the list is (from Ivan)

13:28:10 <mhausenblas> ... does author know what to do with the markup?

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... does author know what to do with the markup?

13:28:42 <mhausenblas> ... lots of UC that are applicable

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... lots of UC that are applicable

13:29:27 <mhausenblas> ... two issues: what is the default from a RDF store

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... two issues: what is the default from a RDF store

13:30:00 <mhausenblas> ... second issue (separate): should there be a kind of lossless markup

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... second issue (separate): should there be a kind of lossless markup

13:30:33 <mhausenblas> ... example: table with person props from FOAF

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... example: table with person props from FOAF

13:30:50 <RalphS> q+

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Unknown RalphS: q+

13:30:59 <mhausenblas> ... here, the markup is not expected in the output

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... here, the markup is not expected in the output

13:31:51 <mhausenblas> ... put aside XMLLiteral, start with markup

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... put aside XMLLiteral, start with markup

13:31:53 <mhausenblas> ack Ralph

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ack Ralph

13:32:45 <mhausenblas> q+ to as how uf handle this

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q+ to as how uf handle this

13:33:38 <mhausenblas> Mark: Is the mode of detection correct?

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Unknown Mark: Is the mode of detection correct?

13:33:53 <mhausenblas> ... imposing plain literal thing

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... imposing plain literal thing

13:34:09 <mhausenblas> ... other way round: found markup - now let's use it

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... other way round: found markup - now let's use it

13:34:18 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Find out via UC

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Unknown Ralph: Find out via UC

13:34:39 <mhausenblas> Mark: Should we take this to the HTML WG?

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Unknown Mark: Should we take this to the HTML WG?

13:35:05 <mhausenblas> q?

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q?

13:35:43 <Steven> +1 to Ralph

Unknown Steven: +1 to Ralph

13:35:45 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to as how uf handle this

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to as how uf handle this

13:36:01 <RalphS> Michael: the microformat community has somehow been dealing with this question

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Unknown Michael: the microformat community has somehow been dealing with this question [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:36:10 <RalphS> ... do we know what they've done?

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Unknown RalphS: ... do we know what they've done?

13:36:23 <RalphS> ... could we invite someone from microformats to chat with us?

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Unknown RalphS: ... could we invite someone from microformats to chat with us?

13:36:24 <Steven> q+

Unknown Steven: q+

13:36:35 <RalphS> Mark: microformats gets around this problem by writing very specific examples

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Unknown Mark: microformats gets around this problem by writing very specific examples [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:36:50 <RalphS> ... they've mostly not worried about generalizing

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Unknown RalphS: ... they've mostly not worried about generalizing

13:37:26 <mhausenblas> Steven: UC RSS

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Unknown Steven: UC RSS

13:37:40 <RalphS> Steven: one of my major use cases is to be able to embed RSS in my documents, so I absolutely would want XMLliteral as the default

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Unknown Steven: one of my major use cases is to be able to embed RSS in my documents, so I absolutely would want XMLliteral as the default [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:38:16 <MarkB> zakim, q+

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Unknown MarkB: zakim, q+

13:38:16 <Zakim> I see Mark on the speaker queue

Zakim IRC Bot: I see Mark on the speaker queue

13:38:18 <mhausenblas> q+ to propose another solution

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q+ to propose another solution

13:40:03 <mhausenblas> q?

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q?

13:41:36 <mhausenblas> Mark: Agree with Steven, need input from Elias - maybe generate both

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Unknown Mark: Agree with Steven, need input from Elias - maybe generate both

13:41:43 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to propose another solution

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to propose another solution

13:42:01 <RalphS> Mark: we could consider generating both plain literal and XML literal

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Unknown Mark: we could consider generating both plain literal and XML literal [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:42:10 <RalphS> ... there's already a way to use bnodes

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Unknown RalphS: ... there's already a way to use bnodes

13:42:22 <RalphS> Michael: perhaps let the author specify a per-document default

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Unknown Michael: perhaps let the author specify a per-document default [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:43:10 <RalphS> Mark: something like xml:space='preserve'; the author can specify which way the parser should work

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Unknown Mark: something like xml:space='preserve'; the author can specify which way the parser should work [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:43:27 <RalphS> ... or maybe SPAN has one behaviour and TABLE has another

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Unknown RalphS: ... or maybe SPAN has one behaviour and TABLE has another

13:43:29 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Nov/0024.html something like this

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Nov/0024.html something like this

13:44:03 <RalphS> Mark: maybe specify the default processing on a per-element basis

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Unknown Mark: maybe specify the default processing on a per-element basis [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:44:17 <RalphS> Steven: doesn't appeal to me; I prefer that the markup be generic

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Unknown Steven: doesn't appeal to me; I prefer that the markup be generic [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:44:31 <RalphS> Michael: the only one who knows what is meant to happen with his/her triples is the page author

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Unknown Michael: the only one who knows what is meant to happen with his/her triples is the page author [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:45:16 <RalphS> Mark: if we acknowledge that triple stores do have a problem [I disgree], don't we have to insure that things come out consistently?

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Unknown Mark: if we acknowledge that triple stores do have a problem [I disgree], don't we have to insure that things come out consistently? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:45:34 <RalphS> ... if we agree there's an issue then it needs to be solved in the markup

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Unknown RalphS: ... if we agree there's an issue then it needs to be solved in the markup

13:45:54 <RalphS> ... an author not familiar with these issues would not think to turn off XMLLiteral processing

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Unknown RalphS: ... an author not familiar with these issues would not think to turn off XMLLiteral processing

13:46:02 <RalphS> ... we have to decide our fundamental assumptions

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Unknown RalphS: ... we have to decide our fundamental assumptions

13:46:35 <RalphS> ... when I was testing Ivan's examples ages ago, I rewrote his queries using functions that extracted literal lexical values and they worked fine

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Unknown RalphS: ... when I was testing Ivan's examples ages ago, I rewrote his queries using functions that extracted literal lexical values and they worked fine

13:46:46 <RalphS> ... but people now seem to be saying this isn't the right way to do it

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Unknown RalphS: ... but people now seem to be saying this isn't the right way to do it

13:48:43 <mhausenblas> agenda?

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agenda?

13:49:55 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Basis should be implementations, evaluations, and research

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Unknown Ralph: Basis should be implementations, evaluations, and research

13:50:35 <mhausenblas> ... also relevant for TC

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... also relevant for TC

13:53:27 <mhausenblas> Mark: We first need to understand more from the RDF triple store issue from Elias before we can proceed

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Unknown Mark: We first need to understand more from the RDF triple store issue from Elias before we can proceed

13:54:23 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Right. Process is first to identify how presence of markup means

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Unknown Ralph: Right. Process is first to identify how presence of markup means

13:54:35 <mhausenblas> ... then agree on how to flag that

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... then agree on how to flag that

13:55:24 <mhausenblas> Mark: Might not be sufficient; we might not be able to tell from markup presence

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Unknown Mark: Might not be sufficient; we might not be able to tell from markup presence

13:57:29 <mhausenblas> ... when RDF store can handle this downstream, we are able to keepo everything

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... when RDF store can handle this downstream, we are able to keep everything

13:57:54 <RalphS> "keep everything" means use XMLliteral

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Unknown RalphS: "keep everything" means use XMLliteral

13:57:59 <mhausenblas> ,,, that is preserve all the markup (Elias will bring in results)

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... that is preserve all the markup (Elias will bring in results)

13:58:08 <RalphS> and "handle this" may be at the SPARQL query level

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Unknown RalphS: and "handle this" may be at the SPARQL query level

13:58:16 <mhausenblas> s/,,,/...
13:58:27 <mhausenblas> s/keepo/keep
13:58:58 <RalphS> next meeting: April 2

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Unknown RalphS: next meeting: April 2

13:59:09 <Zakim> -Mark

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13:59:10 <MarkB> for example, by using a query that compares on lexical values

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Unknown MarkB: for example, by using a query that compares on lexical values

13:59:11 <Zakim> -Steven

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13:59:12 <RalphS> Steven: April 9 is Easter holidy

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Unknown Steven: April 9 is Easter holidy [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ]

13:59:21 <Zakim> -wing

Zakim IRC Bot: -wing

13:59:27 <Zakim> -Ralph

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ralph

13:59:29 <Zakim> -mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: -mhausenblas

13:59:30 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM has ended

13:59:32 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, +043316876aaaa, wing, mhausenblas, Steven, +44.442.076.89.aabb, Mark

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Ralph, +043316876aaaa, wing, mhausenblas, Steven, +44.442.076.89.aabb, Mark

13:59:55 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes

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Unknown RalphS: rrsagent, please draft minutes

13:59:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/26-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/26-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS



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