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15:56:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
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15:56:17 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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15:56:18 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:56:18 <trackbot> Date: 06 March 2013
15:57:41 <AndyS> zakim, this is 73394
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15:57:41 <Zakim> AndyS, I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be 73394".
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15:58:13 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
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15:58:46 <Zakim> + +1.408.992.aaaa
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15:58:51 <Zakim> +Sandro
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15:59:01 <pfps> zakim, aaaa is me
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15:59:36 <Zakim> +GavinC
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15:59:36 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.03.06
Ted Thibodeau: TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.03.06 ←
15:59:55 <Guus> any volunteers for scribing?
Guus Schreiber: any volunteers for scribing? ←
16:00:16 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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16:00:26 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
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16:00:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, AndyS, pfps, Sandro, GavinC, OpenLink_Software
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16:00:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, gkellogg, TallTed, gavinc, markus, sandro, AndyS, ivan, yvesr_, ericP, Arnaud, manu1, manu, mischat, trackbot
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16:01:11 <Zakim> +??P0
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16:01:17 <gkellogg> zakim, I am ??P0
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16:01:20 <Zakim> +??P5
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16:01:54 <Guus> chair: Guus
16:02:04 <yvesr_> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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16:02:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, AndyS, pfps, Sandro, GavinC, TallTed (muted), Arnaud, gkellogg, ??P5
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16:02:14 <yvesr_> Zakim, ??P5 is me
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16:02:14 <Zakim> +yvesr_; got it
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16:02:27 <Zakim> +cygri
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16:02:37 <Guus> zakim, pick a scibe
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16:02:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick a scibe', Guus
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16:02:48 <Guus> zakim, pick a scribe
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16:02:48 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose cygri
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16:03:07 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
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16:03:24 <ericP> [GVoice] is me
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16:03:28 <ericP> Zakim, [GVoice] is me
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16:03:58 <cygri> scribe: cygri
(Scribe set to Richard Cyganiak)
16:04:08 <Zakim> +??P34
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16:04:11 <markus> zakim, ??P34 is me
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16:04:23 <Guus> zaki, who is here?
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16:04:23 <cygri> chair: Guus
16:04:30 <cygri> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.03.06
16:04:48 <pfps> did someone upload the most recent Semantics document for Pat?
Peter Patel-Schneider: did someone upload the most recent Semantics document for Pat? ←
16:04:49 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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16:04:49 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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16:04:51 <Zakim> +Ivan
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16:05:12 <AZ> Zakim, aabb is me
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16:05:12 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
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16:05:17 <cgreer> zakim, aacc is me
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16:05:26 <cygri> topic: Admin
16:05:45 <cygri> guus: For the next three weeks, telecons will be one hour earlier for people in europe
Guus Schreiber: For the next three weeks, telecons will be one hour earlier for people in europe ←
16:06:05 <ivan> zakim, mute me
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16:06:05 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
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16:06:11 <cygri> PROPOSED: to accept the minutes of the 27 February telecon:
PROPOSED: to accept the minutes of the 27 February telecon: ←
16:06:14 <pfps> minutesa re fine
Peter Patel-Schneider: minutesa re fine ←
16:06:20 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2013-02-27
http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2013-02-27 ←
16:06:43 <cygri> RESOLVED: Accept the minutes of the 27 February telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2013-02-27
RESOLVED: Accept the minutes of the 27 February telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2013-02-27 ←
16:06:50 <cygri> guus: Review of action items
Guus Schreiber: Review of action items ←
16:08:28 <cygri> Guus: I did my three actions by putting various things on the agenda
Guus Schreiber: I did my three actions by putting various things on the agenda ←
16:08:36 <cygri> topic: Turtle
16:08:56 <cygri> gavinc: Regarding the test suite, we got a patch on the comments mailing list
Gavin Carothers: Regarding the test suite, we got a patch on the comments mailing list ←
16:09:15 <cygri> ... I'm looking into combining Eric's test suite with the one from Gregg and Andy
... I'm looking into combining Eric's test suite with the one from Gregg and Andy ←
16:09:23 <cygri> ... also, additional tests for more coverage were submitted
... also, additional tests for more coverage were submitted ←
16:09:40 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
16:09:42 <ericP> q+ to discuss sandro's proposal for ordering the tests
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to discuss sandro's proposal for ordering the tests ←
16:09:52 <cygri> ... also a proposal to change the test suite to make it easier to check results
... also a proposal to change the test suite to make it easier to check results ←
16:09:57 <cygri> ... we plan to do all of these things
... we plan to do all of these things ←
16:09:58 <Guus> ack AndyS
Guus Schreiber: ack AndyS ←
16:10:28 <cygri> AndyS: We've already asked people to run the tests. No we change them again. What about the process?
Andy Seaborne: We've already asked people to run the tests. No we change them again. What about the process? ←
16:11:02 <cygri> ... Secondly, there is no right order of triples in the files. Concerned about putting too much emphasis on testing line by line
... Secondly, there is no right order of triples in the files. Concerned about putting too much emphasis on testing line by line ←
16:11:22 <cygri> gavinc: I'm not too concerned about the process. We did not announce availability of a test suite.
Gavin Carothers: I'm not too concerned about the process. We did not announce availability of a test suite. ←
16:11:30 <Guus> ack ericP
Guus Schreiber: ack ericP ←
16:11:30 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to discuss sandro's proposal for ordering the tests
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to discuss sandro's proposal for ordering the tests ←
16:12:18 <cygri> ericP: Regarding ordering of statements, there is indeed no mandated order. One could argue for the order implied by the algebra
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Regarding ordering of statements, there is indeed no mandated order. One could argue for the order implied by the algebra ←
16:12:23 <cygri> ... Dave Beckett's proposed change is very useful for readers.
... Dave Beckett's proposed change is very useful for readers. ←
16:12:58 <cygri> ... So I'm sympathetic to his request, despite agreeing in general that the test suite should depend on graph isomorphism and not order
... So I'm sympathetic to his request, despite agreeing in general that the test suite should depend on graph isomorphism and not order ←
16:13:13 <Guus> q+ to state
Guus Schreiber: q+ to state ←
16:13:42 <cygri> ... Sandro proposed to put the atomic tests before the other tests, to make it clearer why a parser fails the tests
... Sandro proposed to put the atomic tests before the other tests, to make it clearer why a parser fails the tests ←
16:14:54 <cygri> guus: Concerned about timeline. Want to publish ASAP.
Guus Schreiber: Concerned about timeline. Want to publish ASAP. ←
16:15:17 <cygri> gavinc: The test suite was supposed to be published with the PR. Some implementers are complaining why it wasn't.
Gavin Carothers: The test suite was supposed to be published with the PR. Some implementers are complaining why it wasn't. ←
16:15:25 <cygri> ... so would get it out immediately
... so would get it out immediately ←
16:15:57 <cygri> ericP: I appreciate the difficulty of having a moving target for implementers, but this is also where we get help from the community to get the test suite into good shape
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I appreciate the difficulty of having a moving target for implementers, but this is also where we get help from the community to get the test suite into good shape ←
16:16:16 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
16:16:17 <cygri> guus: Decision on March 20 for the test suite needed to go to PR?
Guus Schreiber: Decision on March 20 for the test suite needed to go to PR? ←
16:16:33 <Guus> ack Guus
Guus Schreiber: ack Guus ←
16:16:33 <Zakim> Guus, you wanted to state
Zakim IRC Bot: Guus, you wanted to state ←
16:16:49 <cygri> gavinc: What is the process for updating the document to add link to the test suite, point out changes?
Gavin Carothers: What is the process for updating the document to add link to the test suite, point out changes? ←
16:17:01 <cygri> guus: Sandro said that already
Guus Schreiber: Sandro said that already ←
16:17:13 <cygri> sandro: We can't change the published document
Sandro Hawke: We can't change the published document ←
16:17:29 <cygri> ... but can change our web page
... but can change our web page ←
16:17:48 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
16:17:48 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
16:17:51 <cygri> ericP: We could also republish the document, with editorial changes
Eric Prud'hommeaux: We could also republish the document, with editorial changes ←
16:17:52 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:17:56 <cygri> sandro: I suppose we could
Sandro Hawke: I suppose we could ←
16:18:22 <cygri> ... never heard of anyone doing this, but why not
... never heard of anyone doing this, but why not ←
16:18:32 <gkellogg> ReSpec actually has a way to show the test suite location in the head of the document.
Gregg Kellogg: ReSpec actually has a way to show the test suite location in the head of the document. ←
16:18:47 <cygri> ivan: The document points to the wiki. The wiki has the details. We don't need to change the document.
Ivan Herman: The document points to the wiki. The wiki has the details. We don't need to change the document. ←
16:18:57 <cygri> gavinc: There's also an error in the list of changes.
Gavin Carothers: There's also an error in the list of changes. ←
16:19:08 <cygri> guus: We can fix that for PR publication.
Guus Schreiber: We can fix that for PR publication. ←
16:19:26 <cygri> ... So we should change the wiki page now, and fix the list of changes when going to PR.
... So we should change the wiki page now, and fix the list of changes when going to PR. ←
16:19:47 <cygri> gavinc: Where is this link to the test suite in the document? I don't see it in the status section.
Gavin Carothers: Where is this link to the test suite in the document? I don't see it in the status section. ←
16:20:17 <cygri> ivan: In the CR request wiki page
Ivan Herman: In the CR request wiki page ←
16:20:30 <ericP> gavinc, what's inaccurate in the changes since last doc?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: gavinc, what's inaccurate in the changes since last doc? ←
16:20:36 <cygri> ... And that can be fixed, it's just a group-internal document.
... And that can be fixed, it's just a group-internal publicationument. ←
16:20:38 <ericP> s/doc/publication/
16:21:17 <gavinc> ericP, "Renaming for STRING_* productions to STRING_LITERAL_QUOTE style names rather than numbers " "Local part of prefix names can now include ":" " "Turtle in HTML ", were all in Last Call
Gavin Carothers: ericP, "Renaming for STRING_* productions to STRING_LITERAL_QUOTE style names rather than numbers " "Local part of prefix names can now include ":" " "Turtle in HTML ", were all in Last Call ←
16:21:18 <cygri> guus: Gavin, can we get everything complete in two weeks?
Guus Schreiber: Gavin, can we get everything complete in two weeks? ←
16:21:20 <AndyS> CR ends March 26th
Andy Seaborne: CR ends March 26th ←
16:21:20 <cygri> gavinc: Yes.
Gavin Carothers: Yes. ←
16:21:23 <AndyS> q-
Andy Seaborne: q- ←
16:21:54 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
16:22:00 <Guus> ack ivan
Guus Schreiber: ack ivan ←
16:22:28 <gavinc> " The Candidate Recommendation period ends 26 March 2013"
Gavin Carothers: " The Candidate Recommendation period ends 26 March 2013" ←
16:22:37 <cygri> [discussion of when exactly CR ends]
[discussion of when exactly CR ends] ←
16:23:12 <Guus> The minimal duration for this CR period is until 26 March, 2013.
Guus Schreiber: The minimal duration for this CR period is until 26 March, 2013. ←
16:23:13 <cygri> guus: It should have said that it ends no earlier than 26 March (?)
Guus Schreiber: It should have said that it ends no earlier than 26 March (?) ←
16:23:43 <cygri> ericP: My mistake.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: My mistake. ←
16:23:55 <cygri> ... In my defense, I did it from a plane.
... In my defense, I did it from a plane. ←
16:24:06 <cygri> guus: We didn't spot it.
Guus Schreiber: We didn't spot it. ←
16:24:42 <cygri> sandro: We have lots of ways to reach out to the community.
Sandro Hawke: We have lots of ways to reach out to the community. ←
16:25:18 <gkellogg> q+
Gregg Kellogg: q+ ←
16:25:30 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
16:25:30 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
16:25:35 <cygri> ericP: We should decide what the structure will be regarding EARL reports. Do we keep separate syntax and semantic tests, or unify them so that each test has a "parse" and "graph match" result (?)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: We should decide what the structure will be regarding EARL reports. Do we keep separate syntax and semantic tests, or unify them so that each test has a "parse" and "graph match" result (?) ←
16:26:13 <cygri> AndyS: Rather than asking people to do two things on each test, why not just keep them separate?
Andy Seaborne: Rather than asking people to do two things on each test, why not just keep them separate? ←
16:26:34 <cygri> sandro: Being able to parse, but not correctly handle, is not worth reporting.
Sandro Hawke: Being able to parse, but not correctly handle, is not worth reporting. ←
16:27:09 <cygri> gkellogg: The way EARL works, we can't have it report that the test was both parsed and processed.
Gregg Kellogg: The way EARL works, we can't have it report that the test was both parsed and processed. ←
16:27:22 <gkellogg> q-
Gregg Kellogg: q- ←
16:27:33 <cygri> gavinc: We have positivie and negative syntax tests, and evaluation tests.
Gavin Carothers: We have positivie and negative syntax tests, and evaluation tests. ←
16:28:02 <cygri> ericP: We said before that there is no reason that a semantics test isn't also a syntax test.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: We said before that there is no reason that a semantics test isn't also a syntax test. ←
16:28:17 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
16:28:19 <cygri> sandro: Sure, but there is no reason to formalize that.
Sandro Hawke: Sure, but there is no reason to formalize that. ←
16:28:49 <cygri> [scribe missed some discussion]
[scribe missed some discussion] ←
16:29:10 <cygri> sandro: Do we require every implementer to submit EARL? Or is it fine if they just say "I passed all tests"
Sandro Hawke: Do we require every implementer to submit EARL? Or is it fine if they just say "I passed all tests" ←
16:30:23 <sandro> +1 andy: the test suite might change, so "passed all the tests" isn't good enough
Sandro Hawke: +1 andy: the test suite might change, so "passed all the tests" isn't good enough ←
16:30:25 <cygri> AndyS: Concerned about people just saying they passed the tests if we are changing the test
Andy Seaborne: Concerned about people just saying they passed the tests if we are changing the test ←
16:30:37 <cygri> ... Rigorous testing is black and white
... Rigorous testing is black and white ←
16:30:44 <cygri> sandro: I find that compelling.
Sandro Hawke: I find that compelling. ←
16:31:02 <cygri> topic: Semantics
16:31:23 <cygri> guus: Peter was asking whether ED URL is the right version
Guus Schreiber: Peter was asking whether ED URL is the right version ←
16:31:36 <cygri> Peter: Pat got the latest version up.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Pat got the latest version up. ←
16:32:05 <cygri> pfps: I think it's okay for FPWD
Peter Patel-Schneider: I think it's okay for FPWD ←
16:32:18 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:32:23 <cygri> ... It's not yet done, has pointers to things that still need to be done
... It's not yet done, has pointers to things that still need to be done ←
16:32:39 <cygri> ... So none of the issues should need to delay FPWD
... So none of the issues should need to delay FPWD ←
16:32:50 <cygri> ... One issue, as far as I know
... One issue, as far as I know ←
16:33:00 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
16:33:00 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
16:33:04 <cygri> ... Antoine noted correctly that the WG decided something
... Antoine noted correctly that the WG decided something ←
16:33:41 <cygri> ... The term "vocabulary" is overloaded
... The term "vocabulary" is overloaded ←
16:33:58 <cygri> ... Pat changed the technical definition, and Antoine thinks it's a significant change
... Pat changed the technical definition, and Antoine thinks it's a significant change ←
16:34:09 <AZ> it does not change the world, but it changes something
Antoine Zimmermann: it does not change the world, but it changes something ←
16:34:09 <cygri> ... My impression is that it's a technical issue internal to the semantics
... My impression is that it's a technical issue internal to the semantics ←
16:35:03 <AZ> e.g., {<s> <p> <o>} would entail {<a> rdf:type rdfs:Resource}
Antoine Zimmermann: e.g., {<s> <p> <o>} would entail {<a> rdf:type rdfs:Resource} ←
16:35:05 <cygri> ... I think Antoine is technically correct, but it doesn't matter, at least not to implementations
... I think Antoine is technically correct, but it doesn't matter, at least not to implementations ←
16:35:14 <AZ> q+
Antoine Zimmermann: q+ ←
16:35:46 <cygri> q+
q+ ←
16:36:08 <cygri> ... Also, blank node scope. It's a hot potato being passed back and forth between semantics and concepts
... Also, blank node scope. It's a hot potato being passed back and forth between semantics and concepts ←
16:36:19 <cygri> ... Pat passed it back to concepts, but concepts doesn't have it yet
... Pat passed it back to concepts, but concepts doesn't have it yet ←
16:36:39 <cygri> ... Can be sorted out after FPWD
... Can be sorted out after FPWD ←
16:39:17 <cygri> cygri: I can review the document, saying if I see any issues with moving to FPWD. I will have more detailed comments too, but this can wait
Richard Cyganiak: I can review the document, saying if I see any issues with moving to FPWD. I will have more detailed comments too, but this can wait ←
16:39:40 <cygri> AZ: If we want to change the way interpretations are defined, then it needs a collective WG resolution.
Antoine Zimmermann: If we want to change the way interpretations are defined, then it needs a collective WG resolution. ←
16:40:12 <cygri> ... And Semantics used blank node scope, which Concepts doesn't define yet.
... And Semantics used blank node scope, which Concepts doesn't define yet. ←
16:40:19 <AZ> q-
Antoine Zimmermann: q- ←
16:40:20 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
16:40:26 <cygri> ... No other critical issues.
... No other critical issues. ←
16:40:41 <cygri> guus: Then I can put decision about Semantics FPWD on next week's agenda
Guus Schreiber: Then I can put decision about Semantics FPWD on next week's agenda ←
16:40:41 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
16:40:44 <cygri> ack me
ack me ←
16:41:10 <cygri> ... Thanks to Pat and Peter for moving this forward so quickly
... Thanks to Pat and Peter for moving this forward so quickly ←
16:41:13 <cygri> Topic: Concepts
16:41:35 <cygri> We have open issue on scope of blank nodes
We have open issue on scope of blank nodes ←
16:41:40 <cygri> ISSUE-107?
16:41:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-107 -- Revised definition of blank nodes -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-107 -- Revised definition of blank nodes -- open ←
16:41:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/107
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/107 ←
16:42:00 <markus> scribe: markus
(Scribe set to Markus Lanthaler)
16:42:01 <yvesr> i can do
Yves Raimond: i can do ←
16:42:27 <markus> cygri: the issue has been open for a while... we had some concrete proposals
Richard Cyganiak: the issue has been open for a while... we had some concrete proposals ←
16:43:03 <markus> ... now that we have a semantics draft that relies on this makes the issue more pressing
... now that we have a semantics draft that relies on this makes the issue more pressing ←
16:43:22 <markus> ... it is a joint issue between the 2 documents
... it is a joint issue between the 2 documents ←
16:43:35 <markus> ... we need to ensure to keep them consistent
... we need to ensure to keep them consistent ←
16:44:17 <markus> ... I'm quite busy at the moment so I can't spend much time on concepts at the moment
... I'm quite busy at the moment so I can't spend much time on concepts at the moment ←
16:44:30 <markus> ... this won't change in the next 2 weeks
... this won't change in the next 2 weeks ←
16:45:25 <markus> We are under time pressure.. according our schedule we should publish it in two weeks
We are under time pressure.. according our schedule we should publish it in two weeks ←
16:46:01 <markus> cygri: Given that semantics is just going to FPWD concepts isn't that late
Richard Cyganiak: Given that semantics is just going to FPWD concepts isn't that late ←
16:46:37 <markus> ... the docs have tight dependencies.. the sooner we go LC with concepts the bigger the risk for semantics if we need to change something
... the docs have tight dependencies.. the sooner we go LC with concepts the bigger the risk for semantics if we need to change something ←
16:46:45 <pfps> q+
16:46:49 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:47:00 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
16:47:00 <Zakim> Ivan was not muted, ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan was not muted, ivan ←
16:47:03 <markus> ... they should probably be updated in lock step and ideally should go to LC at the same time
... they should probably be updated in lock step and ideally should go to LC at the same time ←
16:47:39 <markus> guus: I will put it back on the agenda in two weeks, is that OK?
Guus Schreiber: I will put it back on the agenda in two weeks, is that OK? ←
16:47:42 <markus> cygri: sure
Richard Cyganiak: sure ←
16:47:50 <cygri> scribe: cygri
(Scribe set to Richard Cyganiak)
16:47:57 <cygri> guus: I will put it on the agenda for March 20
Guus Schreiber: I will put it on the agenda for March 20 ←
16:47:58 <pfps> q-
16:48:07 <cygri> q?
q? ←
16:48:14 <Guus> ack ivan
Guus Schreiber: ack ivan ←
16:48:53 <cygri> ivan: As an FPWD, I would be okay with publishing the Semantics today
Ivan Herman: As an FPWD, I would be okay with publishing the Semantics today ←
16:49:18 <cygri> q+
q+ ←
16:49:37 <cygri> FPWD has administrative work attached etc
FPWD has administrative work attached etc ←
16:49:44 <AndyS> +1 to publish ASAP for FPWD. (?? Just add a list of items to discuss in the status.)
Andy Seaborne: +1 to publish ASAP for FPWD. (?? Just add a list of items to discuss in the status.) ←
16:50:12 <cygri> ... not necessary to solve all the technical issues
... not necessary to solve all the technical issues ←
16:50:13 <cygri> q-
q- ←
16:50:20 <cygri> ivan: I'd be happy making a decision this week
Ivan Herman: I'd be happy making a decision this week ←
16:50:28 <cygri> guus: I prefer to have two reviews.
Guus Schreiber: I prefer to have two reviews. ←
16:50:31 <pfps> I've already said that I think that the current document is fine for a FPWD. However, for a FPWD I think we need reviews.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I've already said that I think that the current document is fine for a FPWD. However, for a FPWD I think we need reviews. ←
16:50:56 <pfps> I think that a message should go out to the WG that a vote on FPWD is on for next week for semantics.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that a message should go out to the WG that a vote on FPWD is on for next week for semantics. ←
16:50:58 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
16:50:58 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
16:51:27 <cygri> topic: JSON-LD
16:51:54 <cygri> guus: There was an extensive (to say the least) review from Sandro
Guus Schreiber: There was an extensive (to say the least) review from Sandro ←
16:52:07 <cygri> ... Can we get a 2nd review?
... Can we get a 2nd review? ←
16:52:45 <cygri> sandro: Should that review happen before or after my comments are addressed?
Sandro Hawke: Should that review happen before or after my comments are addressed? ←
16:53:15 <cygri> ... Depends on whether the editors want a 2nd opinion on some of the changes
... Depends on whether the editors want a 2nd opinion on some of the changes ←
16:53:35 <cgreer> I'll step up, do my best
Charles Greer: I'll step up, do my best ←
16:54:22 <cygri> gkellogg: We will discuss Sandro's comments in our next call on Tuesday.
Gregg Kellogg: We will discuss Sandro's comments in our next call on Tuesday. ←
16:54:43 <cygri> sandro: I think JSON-LD is great, the design is solid and I have no concerns about it. My comments are mostly editorial.
Sandro Hawke: I think JSON-LD is great, the design is solid and I have no concerns about it. My comments are mostly editorial. ←
16:54:57 <cygri> ... Some issues about how conformance is stated and forward compatibility.
... Some issues about how conformance is stated and forward compatibility. ←
16:55:22 <cygri> ... The main editorial question is regarding editorial division between this document and the API document.
... The main editorial question is regarding editorial division between this document and the API document. ←
16:55:27 <gkellogg> q+
Gregg Kellogg: q+ ←
16:55:38 <cygri> ... I want this document to be complete as an RDF syntax.
... I want this document to be complete as an RDF syntax. ←
16:55:49 <cygri> ... Have a complete mapping to RDF in this document.
... Have a complete mapping to RDF in this document. ←
16:56:08 <Guus> ack gkellogg
Guus Schreiber: ack gkellogg ←
16:56:22 <cygri> gkellogg: I liked your suggestion to have a brief summary of the RDF transformation algorithm
Gregg Kellogg: I liked your suggestion to have a brief summary of the RDF transformation algorithm ←
16:57:10 <cygri> ... Others have commented on explaining the relationship to RDF in the main JSON-LD document
... Others have commented on explaining the relationship to RDF in the main JSON-LD document ←
16:58:02 <Guus> ACTION cgreer to review the JSON-LD syntax document, after Sandro's review has been taken into account
Guus Schreiber: ACTION cgreer to review the JSON-LD syntax document, after Sandro's review has been taken into account ←
16:58:02 <trackbot> Error finding 'cgreer'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'cgreer'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>. ←
16:58:40 <cygri> ACTION: Charles to review the JSON-LD syntax document, after member:Sandro's review has been taken into account
ACTION: Charles to review the JSON-LD syntax document, after member:Sandro's review has been taken into account ←
16:58:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-238 - Review the JSON-LD syntax document, after member:Sandro's review has been taken into account [on Charles Greer - due 2013-03-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-238 - Review the JSON-LD syntax document, after member:Sandro's review has been taken into account [on Charles Greer - due 2013-03-13]. ←
16:59:35 <cygri> guus: We'd like to adjourn now to avoid top-of-the-hour traffic jam on the bridge
Guus Schreiber: We'd like to adjourn now to avoid top-of-the-hour traffic jam on the bridge ←
16:59:39 <Arnaud> regrets for next week, will be chairing the ldp f2f2
Arnaud Le Hors: regrets for next week, will be chairing the ldp f2f2 ←
16:59:56 <Zakim> -pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←
17:00:02 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
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