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RDF Working Group

Minutes of 23 January 2013

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.01.23
Seen
Andy Seaborne, Antoine Zimmermann, Arnaud Le Hors, David Wood, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Fabien Gandon, Gregg Kellogg, Guus Schreiber, Patrick Hayes, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Richard Cyganiak, Souripriya Das, Ted Thibodeau, Yves Raimond, Zhe Wu
Chair
David Wood
Scribe
Eric Prud'hommeaux, Andy Seaborne, Richard Cyganiak
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Close ISSUE-25 by saying that this WG will not deprecate reification of statements. We will note informatively in the RDF Schema spec that named graphs and RDF datasets are another mechanism to accomplish the same goals. link
Topics
15:58:40 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/01/23-rdf-wg-irc

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15:58:47 <davidwood> Zakim, this will be RDF

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15:59:06 <davidwood> chair: David Wood
15:59:10 <cygri> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.01.23
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16:02:22 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?

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16:02:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see davidwood, AndyS, gkellogg, OpenLink_Software, yvesr, Guus

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16:02:24 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

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16:02:36 <Zakim> +Souri

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16:02:46 <Zakim> +EricP

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16:02:58 <davidwood> Zakim, who is here?

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16:02:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see davidwood, AndyS, gkellogg, TallTed (muted), yvesr, Guus, Souri, EricP (muted)

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16:03:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see Arnaud, Souri, TallTed, RRSAgent, pchampin, Zakim, AndyS, markus, Guus, LeeF, yvesr, SteveH, gkellogg, davidwood, gavinc, manu, mischat, manu1, trackbot, sandro, ericP

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16:04:29 <ericP> scribe: ericP

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16:04:46 <Zakim> +Arnaud

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16:05:24 <Zakim> +??P29

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16:05:31 <davidwood> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 16 January telecon:   http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2013-01-16

David Wood: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 16 January telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2013-01-16

16:05:56 <davidwood> RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 16 January telecon:   http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2013-01-16

David Wood: RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 16 January telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2013-01-16

16:05:59 <Guus> +1

Guus Schreiber: +1

16:06:01 <ericP> +1

+1

16:06:08 <pchampin> zakim, ??p29 is me

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16:06:08 <davidwood> topic: Review of action items

1. Review of action items

16:06:08 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview

David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview

16:06:08 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open

David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open

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16:07:25 <davidwood> Guus, we lost you.  Will you be able to rejoin?

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16:07:49 <davidwood> Zakim, who is here?

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16:07:51 <Zakim> ... sandro, ericP

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16:08:34 <Zakim> +Guus

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16:08:42 <ericP> topic: Turtle

2. Turtle

16:09:01 <AndyS> guus: draft progress?

Guus Schreiber: draft progress? [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ]

16:09:03 <Zakim> +AZ

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16:09:39 <AndyS> ericP: actions in progress (for eric and gavin) ...

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16:09:41 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ - current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.01.23

Ted Thibodeau: TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ - current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.01.23

16:09:59 <AndyS> guus: waiting for confirmation for ready to go

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16:10:17 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS

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16:10:30 <AndyS> ACTION-220?

ACTION-220?

16:10:30 <trackbot> ACTION-220 -- Eric Prud'hommeaux to change the AtRisk styling to allow searching documents for the words "feature" and "risk" to find Features At Risk -- due 2013-01-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-220 -- Eric Prud'hommeaux to change the AtRisk styling to allow searching documents for the words "feature" and "risk" to find Features At Risk -- due 2013-01-16 -- OPEN

16:10:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/220

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16:10:57 <Zakim> +cygri

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16:11:30 <AndyS> ericP: action should be on gavin as tech expert?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: action should be on gavin as tech expert?

16:11:41 <AndyS> ACTION-190?

ACTION-190?

16:11:41 <trackbot> ACTION-190 -- Gavin Carothers to respond for i18n 186 -- due 2012-10-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-190 -- Gavin Carothers to respond for i18n 186 -- due 2012-10-17 -- OPEN

16:11:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/190

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/190

16:11:47 <AndyS> ACTION-191?

ACTION-191?

16:11:47 <trackbot> ACTION-191 -- Gavin Carothers to add escaping to Turtle in HTML -- due 2012-10-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-191 -- Gavin Carothers to add escaping to Turtle in HTML -- due 2012-10-17 -- OPEN

16:11:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/191

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16:12:03 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/I18n-Comments

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/I18n-Comments

16:12:28 <cygri> scribe: cygri

(Scribe set to Richard Cyganiak)

16:12:53 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/186 I18N issue 186

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/186 I18N ISSUE-186

16:13:38 <cygri> ericP: there was internal debate in I18N on this

Eric Prud'hommeaux: there was internal debate in I18N on this

16:13:46 <ericP> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2012JulSep/0119 Martin J. Dürst says a document has an encoding

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2012JulSep/0119 Martin J. Dürst says a document has an encoding

16:14:23 <cygri> ... Addison wanted us to say that a document is a sequence of Unicode chars, but Martin said, no, a document has an encoding

... Addison wanted us to say that a document is a sequence of Unicode chars, but Martin said, no, a document has an encoding

16:14:40 <cygri> ... I believe Martin is always right

... I believe Martin is always right

16:14:53 <cygri> ... They asked us to support any encoding

... They asked us to support any encoding

16:15:03 <cygri> ... We said we only do UTF-8

... We said we only do UTF-8

16:15:26 <cygri> ... I can send an email saying we go with Martin's story

... I can send an email saying we go with Martin's story

16:16:06 <cygri> davidwood: ok, I have re-assigned ACTION-190 to you

David Wood: ok, I have re-assigned ACTION-190 to you

16:16:58 <cygri> ericP: This (?) is tricky to do in ReSpec but easy at publication time, so please go ahead with the publication request

Eric Prud'hommeaux: This (?) is tricky to do in ReSpec but easy at publication time, so please go ahead with the publication request

16:17:28 <cygri> ericP: This (?) is tricky to do in ReSpec but easy at publication time, so please go ahead with the publication request, and I'll make the fix in the preparation for publication

Eric Prud'hommeaux: This (?) is tricky to do in ReSpec but easy at publication time, so please go ahead with the publication request, and I'll make the fix in the preparation for publication

16:18:07 <cygri> ACTION-191?

ACTION-191?

16:18:07 <trackbot> ACTION-191 -- Gavin Carothers to add escaping to Turtle in HTML -- due 2012-10-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-191 -- Gavin Carothers to add escaping to Turtle in HTML -- due 2012-10-17 -- OPEN

16:18:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/191

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/191

16:18:25 <cygri> Guus: We did that.

Guus Schreiber: We did that.

16:18:52 <ericP> -> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html Turtle Ed draft

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html Turtle Ed draft

16:19:45 <cygri> (discussion of the date in the ED)

(discussion of the date in the ED)

16:19:59 <davidwood> Looking at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#in-html it looks like action 191 is complete.

David Wood: Looking at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#in-html it looks like ACTION-191 is complete.

16:20:55 <Zakim> +FabGandon

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16:20:55 <cygri> davidwood: The section on embedding Turtle in HTML appears to be talking sufficiently about escaping.

David Wood: The section on embedding Turtle in HTML appears to be talking sufficiently about escaping.

16:21:19 <davidwood> Close ACTION-191

David Wood: Close ACTION-191

16:21:19 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-191 Add escaping to Turtle in HTML.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-191 Add escaping to Turtle in HTML.

16:21:21 <cygri> Guus: Let's call ACTION-191 done

Guus Schreiber: Let's call ACTION-191 done

16:22:04 <ericP> scribenick: ericP

(Scribe set to Eric Prud'hommeaux)

16:22:17 <cygri> topic: Semantics

3. Semantics

16:22:29 <ericP> davidwood: hard to address issue 109 without Pat and Peter

David Wood: hard to address ISSUE-109 without Pat and Peter

16:22:32 <cygri> davidwood: Pat and Peter not around, so let's move on from this one

David Wood: Pat and Peter not around, so let's move on from this one [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ]

16:22:44 <cygri> topic: Cleanup items

4. Cleanup items

16:23:11 <ericP> davidwood: four open issues

David Wood: four open issues

16:23:16 <cygri> davidwood: Four open issues here. Can we get through a couple of them?

David Wood: Four open issues here. Can we get through a couple of them? [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ]

16:23:27 <cygri> ISSUE-25?

Richard Cyganiak: ISSUE-25?

16:23:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-25 -- Should we deprecate (RDF 2004) reification of statements? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-25 -- Should we deprecate (RDF 2004) reification of statements? -- open

16:23:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/25

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/25

16:23:58 <cygri> subtopic: ISSUE-25 Deprecation of reification?

4.1. ISSUE-25 Deprecation of reification?

16:23:59 <ericP> davidwood: last input from WG member was in Oct 2011

David Wood: last input from WG member was in Oct 2011

16:24:40 <ericP> ... discussion about marking reification or aspects of reification archaic

... discussion about marking reification or aspects of reification archaic

16:24:50 <ericP> ... we should close noting that resolution

... we should close noting that resolution

16:25:14 <davidwood> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-25 by saying that this WG will not deprecate reification of statements.

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-25 by saying that this WG will not deprecate reification of statements.

16:25:18 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

16:25:22 <AndyS> +1 to do nothing for or against reification (let it quietly slip away)

Andy Seaborne: +1 to do nothing for or against reification (let it quietly slip away)

16:25:22 <Arnaud> would be nice to briefly say why

Arnaud Le Hors: would be nice to briefly say why

16:25:24 <davidwood> ack cygri

David Wood: ack cygri

16:26:03 <ericP> cygri: it might be a good idea to note informatively in the relevent spec section (RDF Schema) that named graphs and RDF datasets are another mechanism to accomplish the same goals

Richard Cyganiak: it might be a good idea to note informatively in the relevent spec section (RDF Schema) that named graphs and RDF datasets are another mechanism to accomplish the same goals

16:26:14 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

16:26:16 <ericP> davidwood: yes, and we have to republish RDF Schema

David Wood: yes, and we have to republish RDF Schema

16:26:31 <ericP> ... Arnaud said it would be nice to know why.

... Arnaud said it would be nice to know why.

16:26:43 <ericP> ... fundamental issue is that the WG couldn't gain concensus

... fundamental issue is that the WG couldn't gain concensus

16:27:48 <yvesr> +1, but it is added 'noise' to the spec, which will make it harder to understand for new-comers

Yves Raimond: +1, but it is added 'noise' to the spec, which will make it harder to understand for new-comers

16:27:53 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

16:28:01 <ericP> ericP: are there folks using it?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: are there folks using it?

16:28:16 <cygri> q+ to mention Talis changesets

Richard Cyganiak: q+ to mention Talis changesets

16:28:24 <ericP> Arnaud: i used to tell people at IBM that reification was going away

Arnaud Le Hors: i used to tell people at IBM that reification was going away

16:28:30 <davidwood> ack AndyS

David Wood: ack AndyS

16:28:34 <ericP> ... can we doc why we don't have consensus?

... can we doc why we don't have consensus?

16:28:47 <Zakim> +PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH

16:28:55 <ericP> AndyS: i'd rather not make a value judgement about reification.

Andy Seaborne: i'd rather not make a value judgement about reification.

16:28:58 <davidwood> ack cygri

David Wood: ack cygri

16:28:58 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to mention Talis changesets

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to mention Talis changesets

16:29:10 <ericP> ... it's used in fewer cases than before, but still sometimes the right thing to do

... it's used in fewer cases than before, but still sometimes the right thing to do

16:29:36 <ericP> cygri: at the beginning of the WG, we mentioned that Talis used reification for their change sets

Richard Cyganiak: at the beginning of the WG, we mentioned that Talis used reification for their change sets

16:29:36 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

16:29:36 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

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16:30:23 <ericP> ... they've left that line of business ('cause of reificiation...?)

... they've left that line of business ('cause of reificiation...?)

16:30:42 <ericP> macted: they've left the public service part of that business but still do it in private

Ted Thibodeau: they've left the public service part of that business but still do it in private

16:31:27 <davidwood> q?

David Wood: q?

16:31:35 <ericP> cygri: in private has less weight for us, but yes, we can document that there are multiple ways to accomplish these goals

Richard Cyganiak: in private has less weight for us, but yes, we can document that there are multiple ways to accomplish these goals

16:32:21 <ericP> PatH: it's not correct to say that named graphs provide an alternative 'cause it doesn't have a semantics.

Patrick Hayes: it's not correct to say that named graphs provide an alternative 'cause it doesn't have a semantics.

16:32:46 <ericP> ... reification does have a semantics; it's just not normative

... reification does have a semantics; it's just not normative

16:33:21 <ericP> cygri: the reification semantics are *neither* normative or informative

Richard Cyganiak: the reification semantics are *neither* normative nor formal

16:33:33 <davidwood> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-25 by saying that this WG will not deprecate reification of statements.  We will note informatively in the RDF Schema spec that named graphs and RDF datasets are another mechanism to accomplish the same goals.

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-25 by saying that this WG will not deprecate reification of statements. We will note informatively in the RDF Schema spec that named graphs and RDF datasets are another mechanism to accomplish the same goals.

16:33:40 <cygri> s/or informative/nor formal/
16:33:47 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

16:33:54 <cygri> +1

Richard Cyganiak: +1

16:33:55 <FabGandon> +1

Fabien Gandon: +1

16:33:55 <zwu2> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

16:33:57 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

16:33:59 <ericP> davidwood: i think we don't have agreement about the text for guiding users

David Wood: i think we don't have agreement about the text for guiding users

16:33:59 <gkellogg> +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

16:34:02 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

16:34:02 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

16:34:04 <ericP> ... but this is the best we can do

... but this is the best we can do

16:34:04 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

16:34:04 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

16:34:05 <ericP> +1

+1

16:34:08 <Souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

16:34:12 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

16:34:12 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

16:34:12 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

16:34:20 <cygri> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-25 by saying that this WG will not deprecate reification of statements.  We will note informatively in the RDF Schema spec that named graphs and RDF datasets are another mechanism to accomplish the same goals.

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-25 by saying that this WG will not deprecate reification of statements. We will note informatively in the RDF Schema spec that named graphs and RDF datasets are another mechanism to accomplish the same goals.

16:34:29 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

16:34:29 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

16:35:00 <cygri> subtopic: Errata and comments mailing list

4.2. Errata and comments mailing list

16:36:24 <ericP> davidwood: we have earlier issues, issue-3 and issue-6, about handling errata

David Wood: we have earlier issues, ISSUE-3 and ISSUE-6, about handling errata

16:36:37 <ericP> ... gus summarized the errata in Oct 2012

... Guus summarized the errata in Oct 2012

16:36:50 <ericP> s/gus/Guus/
16:37:02 <ericP> davidwood: any volunteers to cleaning that up?

David Wood: any volunteers to cleaning that up?

16:37:04 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

16:37:09 <davidwood> ack cygri

David Wood: ack cygri

16:37:48 <ericP> cygri: issue-3 seems to be about reviewing everything sent to the mailing list

Richard Cyganiak: ISSUE-3 seems to be about reviewing everything sent to the mailing list

16:37:58 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/errata

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/errata

16:38:06 <ericP> ... issue-6 is about reviewing the well-structured errata page

... ISSUE-6 is about reviewing the well-structured errata page

16:38:26 <davidwood> Guus' summary of errata and issues: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Oct/0234.html

David Wood: Guus' summary of errata and issues: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Oct/0234.html

16:38:58 <ericP> ... some errata for RDF/XML, some for Semantics and 2 for test cases

... some errata for RDF/XML, some for Semantics and 2 for test cases

16:39:59 <ericP> ericP: actions on the spec editors for those specs?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: actions on the spec editors for those specs?

16:40:19 <ericP> PatH: action to review, incorporate and report

Patrick Hayes: action to review, incorporate and report

16:40:42 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

16:40:42 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

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16:41:13 <ericP> Guus: my message has a long list of errata, not separated by doc

Guus Schreiber: my message has a long list of errata, not separated by doc

16:41:23 <ericP> cygri: which were already captured on the errata page?

Richard Cyganiak: which were already captured on the errata page?

16:41:49 <ericP> Guus: none. I intended to take only those not covered by the errata page

Guus Schreiber: none. I intended to take only those not covered by the errata page

16:42:51 <ericP> davidwood: we need to raise all of these as potential issues and decide which to open

David Wood: we need to raise all of these as potential issues and decide which to open

16:43:41 <ericP> ACTION: Guus to partition by document the issues in his summary and raise issues on the appropriate documents

ACTION: Guus to partition by document the issues in his summary and raise issues on the appropriate documents

16:43:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-223 - Partition by document the issues in his summary and raise issues on the appropriate documents [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-01-30].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-223 - Partition by document the issues in his summary and raise issues on the appropriate documents [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-01-30].

16:44:00 <cygri> subtopic: ISSUE-62, semantic error in test cases manifest

4.3. ISSUE-62, semantic error in test cases manifest

16:44:20 <ericP> davidwood: in issue-62, the test cases manifest has a semantic error

David Wood: in ISSUE-62, the test cases manifest has a semantic error

16:44:39 <ericP> ... we decided 1.5 years ago that we need to look at this.

... we decided 1.5 years ago that we need to look at this.

16:45:02 <ericP> ACTION: PatH to review and report on ISSUE-62

ACTION: PatH to review and report on ISSUE-62

16:45:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-224 - Review and report on ISSUE-62 [on Patrick Hayes - due 2013-01-30].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-224 - Review and report on ISSUE-62 [on Patrick Hayes - due 2013-01-30].

16:45:06 <AndyS> Hmm - it's used by other groups already.

Andy Seaborne: Hmm - it's used by other groups already.

16:45:14 <davidwood> q?

David Wood: q?

16:45:30 <davidwood> Topic: Extension Request

5. Extension Request

16:45:46 <ericP> davidwood: this needs to be done within the week

David Wood: this needs to be done within the week

16:45:48 <davidwood> Draft in progress: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Rdf-extension.html

David Wood: Draft in progress: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Rdf-extension.html

16:45:52 <ericP> ... i have a draft on the wiki

... i have a draft on the wiki

16:46:07 <ericP> ... i'm basing that off of the PROV WG's extension request

... i'm basing that off of the PROV WG's extension request

16:46:10 <davidwood> …based on PROV-WG's extension request: https://www.w3.org/2012/08/prov-extension.html

David Wood: …based on PROV-WG's extension request: https://www.w3.org/2012/08/prov-extension.html

16:46:34 <ericP> ... next step is to make a list of our document states

... next step is to make a list of our document states

16:46:43 <ericP> ... Last Calls, CRs, etc.

... Last Calls, CRs, etc.

16:47:19 <ericP> ... the draft already has a list of docs, but it would be nice if editors would update their versions

... the draft already has a list of docs, but it would be nice if editors would update their versions

16:48:11 <ericP> ... ivan will want to see this done when he gets back from bejing

... ivan will want to see this done when he gets back from bejing

16:51:04 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to update extension request with Turtle publication dates

ACTION: ericP to update extension request with Turtle publication dates

16:51:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-225 - Update extension request with Turtle publication dates [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-01-30].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-225 - Update extension request with Turtle publication dates [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-01-30].

16:52:28 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

16:52:29 <ericP> davidwood: we've been waiting for semantics and concepts to align

David Wood: we've been waiting for semantics and concepts to align

16:52:46 <ericP> ... we spent two years getting consensus

... we spent two years getting consensus

16:52:54 <ericP> ... now that we have that, they should roll out quickly

... now that we have that, they should roll out quickly

16:53:12 <ericP> cygri: and having consensus, the editorial changes are minimal

Richard Cyganiak: and having consensus, the editorial changes are minimal

16:53:16 <davidwood> ack cygri

David Wood: ack cygri

16:53:29 <ericP> PatH: in the Semantics docs, the changes are deletions

Patrick Hayes: in the Semantics docs, the changes are deletions

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