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14:51:08 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/03/30-rdf-wg-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/03/30-rdf-wg-irc ←
14:51:23 <gavinc> rrsagent, make records public
Gavin Carothers: rrsagent, make records public ←
14:51:44 <gavinc> Scribe: gavinc
(Scribe set to Gavin Carothers)
14:53:54 <gavinc> zakim, this is rdfwg
zakim, this is rdfwg ←
14:53:54 <Zakim> ok, gavinc; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, gavinc; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM ←
14:55:56 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
14:56:04 <Zakim> +Tony
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tony ←
14:56:07 <yvesr> Zakim, +??P19 is yvesr
Yves Raimond: Zakim, +??P19 is yvesr ←
14:56:07 <Zakim> sorry, yvesr, I do not recognize a party named '+??P19'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yvesr, I do not recognize a party named '+??P19' ←
14:56:13 <yvesr> Zakim, P19 is yvesr
Yves Raimond: Zakim, P19 is yvesr ←
14:56:13 <Zakim> sorry, yvesr, I do not recognize a party named 'P19'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yvesr, I do not recognize a party named 'P19' ←
14:56:32 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←
14:56:36 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P19 is yvesr
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P19 is yvesr ←
14:56:36 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it ←
14:56:39 <SteveH__> Zakim, ??P21 is me
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P21 is me ←
14:56:39 <Zakim> +SteveH__; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH__; got it ←
14:57:01 <gavinc> zakim, who is here
zakim, who is here ←
14:57:01 <Zakim> gavinc, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, you need to end that query with '?' ←
14:57:03 <gavinc> zakim, who is here?
zakim, who is here? ←
14:57:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.707.861.aaaa, yvesr, Tony, SteveH__
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.707.861.aaaa, yvesr, Tony, SteveH__ ←
14:57:14 <gavinc> zakim, +1.707 is me
zakim, +1.707 is me ←
14:57:14 <Zakim> +gavinc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc; got it ←
14:57:17 <Zakim> +David
Zakim IRC Bot: +David ←
14:57:19 <yvesr> Zakim, mute me
Yves Raimond: Zakim, mute me ←
14:57:19 <Zakim> yvesr should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: yvesr should now be muted ←
14:57:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:58:17 <mbrunati> zakim, [IPCaller] is me
Matteo Brunati: zakim, [IPCaller] is me ←
14:58:17 <Zakim> +mbrunati; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mbrunati; got it ←
14:59:17 <Zakim> + +20598aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +20598aabb ←
14:59:18 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres ←
14:59:34 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby ←
14:59:38 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
14:59:58 <Zakim> +zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2 ←
15:00:03 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
15:00:11 <zwu2> zakim, mute me
15:00:11 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted ←
15:00:13 <AndyS> zakim, what is the conference code?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, what is the conference code? ←
15:00:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), AndyS ←
15:00:26 <AndyS> zakim, thank you
Andy Seaborne: zakim, thank you ←
15:00:26 <Zakim> you are very welcome, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: you are very welcome, AndyS ←
15:00:47 <davidwood> Chair: Guus Schreiber
15:00:54 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:01:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:01:14 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me ←
15:01:14 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:01:20 <Zakim> + +1.443.212.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.443.212.aacc ←
15:01:24 <davidwood> zakim, who is here?
David Wood: zakim, who is here? ←
15:01:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see gavinc, yvesr (muted), Tony, SteveH__, David, mbrunati, +20598aabb, AxelPolleres, OlivierCorby, Peter_Patel-Schneider, zwu2 (muted), EricP, Sandro, AndyS,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see gavinc, yvesr (muted), Tony, SteveH__, David, mbrunati, +20598aabb, AxelPolleres, OlivierCorby, Peter_Patel-Schneider, zwu2 (muted), EricP, Sandro, AndyS, ←
15:01:31 <Zakim> ... +1.443.212.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.443.212.aacc ←
15:01:45 <gavinc> zakim, mute me
zakim, mute me ←
15:01:45 <Zakim> gavinc should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc should now be muted ←
15:01:49 <AlexHall> zakim, +1.443.212.aacc is me
Alex Hall: zakim, +1.443.212.aacc is me ←
15:01:49 <Zakim> +AlexHall; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexHall; got it ←
15:02:06 <gavinc> zakim, unmute me
zakim, unmute me ←
15:02:06 <Zakim> gavinc should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc should no longer be muted ←
15:02:20 <hsbauer> zakim, who is on the call?
Scott Bauer: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:02:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see gavinc, yvesr (muted), Tony, SteveH__, David, mbrunati, +20598aabb, AxelPolleres, OlivierCorby, Peter_Patel-Schneider, zwu2 (muted), EricP, Sandro, AndyS,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see gavinc, yvesr (muted), Tony, SteveH__, David, mbrunati, +20598aabb, AxelPolleres, OlivierCorby, Peter_Patel-Schneider, zwu2 (muted), EricP, Sandro, AndyS, ←
15:02:24 <Zakim> ... AlexHall
Zakim IRC Bot: ... AlexHall ←
15:02:40 <gavinc> Topic: Admin
15:03:11 <Zakim> +Ronald
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ronald ←
15:03:17 <sandro> zakim, who is making noise?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:03:28 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +20598aabb (22%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +20598aabb (22%) ←
15:03:31 <AZ> Zakim, I think Ronald is me
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, I think Ronald is me ←
15:03:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I think Ronald is me', AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'I think Ronald is me', AZ ←
15:03:42 <AZ> Zakim, Ronald is me
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, Ronald is me ←
15:03:42 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it ←
15:03:47 <sandro> zakim, who is making noise?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:03:58 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds ←
15:04:02 <sandro> zakim, who is making noise?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:04:07 <zwu2> subway?
15:04:12 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +20598aabb (28%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +20598aabb (28%) ←
15:04:14 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
15:04:17 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
15:04:18 <sandro> zakim, mute aabb
Sandro Hawke: zakim, mute aabb ←
15:04:18 <Zakim> +20598aabb should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: +20598aabb should now be muted ←
15:04:25 <zwu2> :)
15:04:27 <AZ> zakim, mute me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, mute me ←
15:04:27 <Zakim> AZ should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: AZ should now be muted ←
15:04:27 <sandro> zakim, unmute aabb
Sandro Hawke: zakim, unmute aabb ←
15:04:29 <Zakim> +20598aabb should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: +20598aabb should no longer be muted ←
15:04:40 <sandro> AZ, you were making the noise.
Sandro Hawke: AZ, you were making the noise. ←
15:04:46 <webr3> Zakim, i am ??P8
Nathan Rixham: Zakim, i am ??P8 ←
15:04:46 <Zakim> +webr3; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +webr3; got it ←
15:04:53 <Zakim> +Souri_
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri_ ←
15:05:28 <gavinc> Guus: Proposing accepting minutes, no objections, accepted.
Guus Schreiber: Proposing accepting minutes, no objections, accepted. ←
15:05:35 <hsbauer> Sorry looks like i was not marked present.
Scott Bauer: Sorry looks like i was not marked present. ←
15:05:41 <pfps> Minutes OK, but we should figure out who Tony is.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Minutes OK, but we should figure out who Tony is. ←
15:06:16 <hsbauer> My name didn't make the list
Scott Bauer: My name didn't make the list ←
15:06:28 <gavinc> zakim, who is here
zakim, who is here ←
15:06:28 <Zakim> gavinc, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, you need to end that query with '?' ←
15:06:30 <gavinc> zakim, who is here?
zakim, who is here? ←
15:06:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see gavinc, yvesr (muted), Tony, SteveH__, David, mbrunati, +20598aabb, AxelPolleres, OlivierCorby, Peter_Patel-Schneider, zwu2 (muted), EricP, Sandro, AndyS,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see gavinc, yvesr (muted), Tony, SteveH__, David, mbrunati, +20598aabb, AxelPolleres, OlivierCorby, Peter_Patel-Schneider, zwu2 (muted), EricP, Sandro, AndyS, ←
15:06:36 <Zakim> ... AlexHall, AZ (muted), ??P5, webr3, Souri_
Zakim IRC Bot: ... AlexHall, AZ (muted), ??P5, webr3, Souri_ ←
15:07:02 <gavinc> Subtopic: Actions
15:07:15 <webr3> thomas sent regrets too
Nathan Rixham: thomas sent regrets too ←
15:07:28 <gavinc> Guus: Most people with actions are not here.
Guus Schreiber: Most people with actions are not here. ←
15:07:57 <gavinc> Guus: Richard did Nathans action, group JOSN use cases on wiki
Guus Schreiber: Richard did Nathans action, group JOSN use cases on wiki ←
15:08:00 <sandro> close action-22
Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-22 ←
15:08:01 <trackbot> ACTION-22 Group json use cases on wiki closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-22 Group json use cases on wiki closed ←
15:08:13 <Zakim> + +1.850.377.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.850.377.aadd ←
15:08:25 <gavinc> Subtopic: F2F1
15:08:40 <Souri> regrets for F2F
Souripriya Das: regrets for F2F ←
15:08:44 <gavinc> Guus: Has everyone confirmed attendance?
Guus Schreiber: Has everyone confirmed attendance? ←
15:09:05 <cmatheus> Zakim, i am ??P5
Christopher Matheus: Zakim, i am ??P5 ←
15:09:05 <Zakim> +cmatheus; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cmatheus; got it ←
15:09:12 <gavinc> Guus: Some people still haven't RSVP'd
Guus Schreiber: Some people still haven't RSVP'd ←
15:09:26 <gavinc> Guus: Remote will be hard with timezones.
Guus Schreiber: Remote will be hard with timezones. ←
15:09:34 <Souri> well, I'll remotely attend the audio portion, if we have a tel#
Souripriya Das: well, I'll remotely attend the audio portion, if we have a tel# ←
15:09:44 <gavinc> Topic: Turtle Task Force
15:10:00 <Souri> q+
Souripriya Das: q+ ←
15:10:01 <pathayes> apologies for 10 mins late.
Patrick Hayes: apologies for 10 mins late. ←
15:10:20 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/products/3
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/products/3 ←
15:10:26 <gavinc> Guus: Only two open issues, likely need more
Guus Schreiber: Only two open issues, likely need more ←
15:10:44 <gavinc> Guus: ??? had a thread on Turtle issues.
Guus Schreiber: Peter and Eric had a thread on Turtle issues. ←
15:10:57 <sandro> s/???/Peter and Eric/
15:11:25 <gavinc> Eric: We need a mapping from Turtle to Triples
Peter Patel-Schneider: We need a mapping from Turtle to Triples ←
15:11:57 <gavinc> Sandro: Are we going to produce such a mapping?
Sandro Hawke: Maybe the ISSUE is: Are we going to produce such a mapping? ←
15:12:02 <sandro> s/Eric/Peter/
15:12:02 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-parsing Editor's Draft to which pfps referred
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-parsing Editor's Draft to which pfps referred ←
15:12:17 <ericP> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2008Jan/0128
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2008Jan/0128 ←
15:12:35 <sandro> s/Are we/Maybe the ISSUE is: Are we/
15:13:17 <gavinc> Eric: Recursive or linear definition? How does concatenation work?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Recursive or linear definition? How does concatenation work? ←
15:13:24 <Souri> q-
Souripriya Das: q- ←
15:14:49 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Mar/0693.html
Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Mar/0693.html ←
15:15:05 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.03.30
Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.03.30 ←
15:15:09 <gavinc> Guus: Can see a perpose for both of them
Guus Schreiber: Can see a perpose for both of them ←
15:15:11 <gavinc> Guus: Can see a purpose for both of them. Might mean adding an appendix or section to current document.
Guus Schreiber: Can see a purpose for both of them. Might mean adding an appendix or section to current document. ←
15:15:12 <gavinc> Eric: Was going to code up both, but sprained wrist
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Was going to code up both, but sprained wrist ←
15:15:14 <gavinc> Guus: Is that do able?
Guus Schreiber: Is that do able? ←
15:15:15 <gavinc> Peter: I am only interested in having a good spec. I have my own ideas on what is best, but think having more then one way is worse.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I am only interested in having a good spec. I have my own ideas on what is best, but think having more then one way is worse. ←
15:15:17 <pfps> I don't want to have two ways to turn Turtle to triples.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't want to have two ways to turn Turtle to triples. ←
15:15:35 <gavinc> Eric: It is somewhat distracting to have two
Eric Prud'hommeaux: It is somewhat distracting to have two ←
15:15:40 <gavinc> Peter: Agree.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Agree. ←
15:16:09 <gavinc> Guus: Is there a way to work this out?
Guus Schreiber: Is there a way to work this out? ←
15:16:15 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:16:28 <gavinc> Eric: I don't think either of us think the other is wrong.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I don't think either of us think the other is wrong. ←
15:16:33 <gavinc> Peter: Just misguided
Peter Patel-Schneider: Just misguided ←
15:17:02 <gavinc> Pat: Are we sure they are different?
Patrick Hayes: Are we sure they are different? ←
15:17:39 <gavinc> ???: Sounds like we have agreement, accept for agreement
Patrick Hayes: Sounds like we have agreement, accept for agreement ←
15:17:45 <sandro> s/???/Pat/
15:18:00 <webr3> general note: pfps' approach is perhaps more similar to other well used specs (html and webapps ones) and thus may be more familiar to readers
Nathan Rixham: general note: pfps' approach is perhaps more similar to other well used specs (html and webapps ones) and thus may be more familiar to readers ←
15:19:49 <gavinc> Peter: A good spec doesn't have different interpretations. A recipe often does.
Peter Patel-Schneider: A good spec doesn't have different interpretations. A recipe often does. ←
15:20:25 <gavinc> Eric: My main objection is to the recursive method vs the linner method
Eric Prud'hommeaux: My main objection is to the recursive method vs the linear method ←
15:20:42 <sandro> andy: A good set of test cases will help
Andy Seaborne: A good set of test cases will help [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:20:59 <webr3> s/linner/linear
15:21:22 <gavinc> AndyS: What happens around BNodes, what happens around escaping
Andy Seaborne: What happens around BNodes, what happens around escaping ←
15:21:24 <sandro> andy: layering -- escaping, identifying terminals, etc
Andy Seaborne: layering -- escaping, identifying terminals, etc [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:22:22 <ericP> q+
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ ←
15:22:34 <ericP> q-
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q- ←
15:22:40 <gavinc> AndyS: Deifine how each part is converted into each bit of a triple so that it can be reused (??)
Andy Seaborne: Deifine how each part is converted into each bit of a triple so that it can be reused (??) ←
15:23:44 <gavinc> EricP: Using this grammer in TriG. Notion of reusing the grammer was part of the reason for giving it a linear parsing model. So that it could be reused in cases where there is a document after. Stole what I could from SPARQL
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Using this grammer in TriG. Notion of reusing the grammer was part of the reason for giving it a linear parsing model. So that it could be reused in cases where there is a document after. Stole what I could from SPARQL ←
15:24:04 <gavinc> EricP: Reuse of shared understanding from one spec or another
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Reuse of shared understanding from one spec or another ←
15:24:40 <sandro> andy: Yes, sharing between SPARQL and Turtle spec is good.
Andy Seaborne: Yes, sharing between SPARQL and Turtle spec is good. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:24:45 <webr3> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2008Jan/0128 this one
Nathan Rixham: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2008Jan/0128 this one ←
15:25:01 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:25:08 <gavinc> Sandro: Reusing and sharing grammer?
Sandro Hawke: Reusing and sharing grammer? ←
15:25:12 <ericP> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2008Jan/0128 pfps's mapping from Turtle grammar to an RDF graph
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2008Jan/0128 pfps's mapping from Turtle grammar to an RDF graph ←
15:25:15 <gavinc> Peter: There is no grammer in mine.
Peter Patel-Schneider: There is no grammer in mine. ←
15:25:29 <gavinc> Peter: It takes the AST, and turns the AST into triples
Peter Patel-Schneider: It takes the AST, and turns the AST into triples ←
15:25:50 <gavinc> Peter: Takes AST, silent to sequences, silent to Turtle doc
Peter Patel-Schneider: Takes AST, silent to sequences, silent to Turtle doc ←
15:26:30 <gavinc> Sandro: Add Peters spec to Turtle document?
Guus Schreiber: Add Peters spec to Turtle document? ←
15:26:37 <gavinc> s/Sandro/Guus
15:26:51 <gavinc> Peter: Silly to have a recipe and then a spec
Peter Patel-Schneider: Silly to have a recipe and then a spec ←
15:26:59 <gavinc> Eric: Both are recipes
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Both are recipes ←
15:27:12 <gavinc> Peter: Silly have a ??? followed by a ???
Peter Patel-Schneider: Silly have a procedural spec followed by a procedural spec ←
15:27:46 <pfps> s/???/procedural spec/ s/???/non-procedural spec/
15:27:48 <sandro> eric: Who has looked at both of these?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Who has looked at both of these? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:28:06 <sandro> gavin: I did.
Gavin Carothers: I did. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:28:12 <sandro> andy: As did I
Andy Seaborne: As did I [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:28:24 <sandro> gavin: I got stuck on how whitespace is to be handled in Turtle.
Gavin Carothers: I got stuck on how whitespace is to be handled in Turtle. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:28:39 <sandro> gavin: Got it mostly working, but I have no idea if this is correct.
Gavin Carothers: Got it mostly working, but I have no idea if this is correct. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:28:52 <webr3> 10.
Nathan Rixham: 10. ←
15:29:02 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
15:29:27 <AndyS> My parser does tokenization then parsing -- and it's streaming so working on a unit of same-subject makes sense.
Andy Seaborne: My parser does tokenization then parsing -- and it's streaming so working on a unit of same-subject makes sense. ←
15:29:27 <sandro> ISSUE: How do we parse "18." in Turtle?
ISSUE: How do we parse "18." in Turtle? ←
15:29:28 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-18 - How do we parse "18." in Turtle? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/18/edit .
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-18 - How do we parse "18." in Turtle? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/18/edit . ←
15:29:50 <yvesr> ah - i thougt i raised that one but must have forgot
Yves Raimond: ah - i thougt i raised that one but must have forgot ←
15:30:16 <yvesr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Feb/0131.html
Yves Raimond: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Feb/0131.html ←
15:30:38 <gavinc> Guus: Peter do you mind being on Turtle TF?
Guus Schreiber: Peter do you mind being on Turtle TF? ←
15:30:47 <gavinc> Peter: I like Graphs more then Turtle ;)
Peter Patel-Schneider: I like Graphs more then Turtle ;) ←
15:31:28 <yvesr> i can edit the issue
Yves Raimond: i can edit the issue ←
15:31:40 <gavinc> Guus: Two other issues with Turtle
Guus Schreiber: Two other issues with Turtle ←
15:31:47 <yvesr> (ISSUE-18)
15:32:20 <gavinc> Eric: I think all the terminals have an s at the end of them are supposed to be defined in the sparql spec.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I think all the terminals have an s at the end of them are supposed to be defined in the sparql spec. ←
15:32:35 <gavinc> Eric: Lexical tokens are all the same as SPARQL
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Lexical tokens are all the same as SPARQL ←
15:32:41 <sandro> eric: re ISSUE-1 I think all the terminals have a link back to the SPARQL spec, except BASE and PREFIX. A few of the lower level productions are different, but the lack of variables makes it difference.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: re ISSUE-1 I think all the terminals have a link back to the SPARQL spec, except BASE and PREFIX. A few of the lower level productions are different, but the lack of variables makes it difference. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:32:42 <AndyS> close but not the same e.g. [ :p 123 ] .
Andy Seaborne: close but not the same e.g. [ :p 123 ] . ←
15:33:07 <AndyS> close but not the same e.g. [ ns:property 123 ] . (due to Ivan)
Andy Seaborne: close but not the same e.g. [ ns:property 123 ] . (due to Ivan) ←
15:33:08 <SteveH> INSER DATA { } doesn't allow variables does it?
Steve Harris: INSERT DATA { } doesn't allow variables does it? ←
15:33:10 <sandro> ISSUE: Should TURTLE allow triples like "[ :p 123 ]." as SPARQL does ?
ISSUE: Should TURTLE allow triples like "[ :p 123 ]." as SPARQL does ? ←
15:33:10 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-19 - Should TURTLE allow triples like "[ :p 123 ]." as SPARQL does ? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/19/edit .
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-19 - Should TURTLE allow triples like "[ :p 123 ]." as SPARQL does ? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/19/edit . ←
15:33:12 <SteveH> *INSERT
Steve Harris: *INSERT ←
15:33:44 <AndyS> Same with "(1 2 3) ." -- uncommon
Andy Seaborne: Same with "(1 2 3) ." -- uncommon ←
15:33:49 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-grammar-grammar
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-grammar-grammar ←
15:34:16 <webr3> the diagram from n3 is quite good [related] http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/diagrams/n3/venn
Nathan Rixham: the diagram from n3 is quite good [related] http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/diagrams/n3/venn ←
15:34:39 <Souri> s/INSER DATA/INSERT DATA/
15:34:57 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-diff-sparql
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-diff-sparql ←
15:35:01 <gavinc> Sandro: How are the languages related? How do I get from one to the other?
Sandro Hawke: How are the languages related? How do I get from one to the other? ←
15:35:16 <sandro> sandro: I want a complete and precise listing in this spec of how it differs from SPARQL. (base, prefix, variables, maybe terms - as - triples)
Sandro Hawke: I want a complete and precise listing in this spec of how it differs from SPARQL. (base, prefix, variables, maybe terms - as - triples) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:35:39 <AndyS> SPARQL grammar cheats - just says "don't use variables" -- not part of formal grammar (grammar explosion)
Andy Seaborne: SPARQL grammar cheats - just says "don't use variables" -- not part of formal grammar (grammar explosion) ←
15:36:28 <sandro> sandro: just the bit of SPARQL that INSERT { ... }
Sandro Hawke: just the bit of SPARQL that INSERT { ... } [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:37:06 <sandro> sandro: it's smaller than BGP, it's just the INSERT part, not the WHERE part.
Sandro Hawke: it's smaller than BGP, it's just the INSERT part, not the WHERE part. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:37:32 <AndyS> INSERT DATA can include GRAPH :-)
Andy Seaborne: INSERT DATA can include GRAPH :-) ←
15:39:11 <SteveH> AndyS, true
Steve Harris: AndyS, true ←
15:39:28 <AlexHall> CONSTRUCT template then?
Alex Hall: CONSTRUCT template then? ←
15:39:29 <sandro> sandro: why don't 6-16 have links to SPARQL?
Sandro Hawke: why don't 6-16 have links to SPARQL? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:39:40 <sandro> eric: they are very similar, but different eg in allowing variables.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: they are very similar, but different eg in allowing variables. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:39:57 <gavinc> Eric: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-grammer 4.4, numbers with s at the end are the same as SPARQL. 6-16 don't match as Turtle doesn't have variables
Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-grammer 4.4, numbers with s at the end are the same as SPARQL. 6-16 don't match as Turtle doesn't have variables ←
15:41:12 <sandro> peter: The SPARQL spec does the standard cheat of saying "you need whitespace where you need whitespace". ... a b 18. a b ...
Peter Patel-Schneider: The SPARQL spec does the standard cheat of saying "you need whitespace where you need whitespace". ... a b 18. a b ... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:41:33 <sandro> eric: greedy lexer consumes the dot, simpler solution.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: greedy lexer consumes the dot, simpler solution. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:41:34 <zwu2> agree
15:41:38 <yvesr> sandro: the turtle spec does the same...
Yves Raimond: sandro, the turtle spec does the same... ←
15:41:50 <sandro> s/:/,/
15:41:50 <yvesr> "White space (production ws) is used to separate two tokens which would otherwise be (mis-)recognized as one token"
Yves Raimond: "White space (production ws) is used to separate two tokens which would otherwise be (mis-)recognized as one token" ←
15:42:05 <sandro> yes
Sandro Hawke: yes ←
15:42:09 <sandro> I hate that.
Sandro Hawke: I hate that. ←
15:42:10 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:42:35 <sandro> gavin: i have an issue on that. I can parse everything, unless it's a double. I can't figure out how to parse what you just said.
Gavin Carothers: i have an issue on that. I can parse everything, unless it's a double. I can't figure out how to parse what you just said. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:43:08 <sandro> gavin: parser had to comment out the bit with numbers with dots in them.
Gavin Carothers: parser had to comment out the bit with numbers with dots in them. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:43:15 <AndyS> double has an 'e'
Andy Seaborne: double has an 'e' ←
15:43:22 <sandro> peter: typically, you do a greedy lexer, doing doubles and decimals.
Peter Patel-Schneider: typically, you do a greedy lexer, doing doubles and decimals. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:43:40 <sandro> peter: just about every programming language has this.
Peter Patel-Schneider: just about every programming language has this. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:44:19 <gavinc> gavin: https://github.com/norcalrdf/pymantic/blob/master/pymantic/parsers.py
Gavin Carothers: https://github.com/norcalrdf/pymantic/blob/master/pymantic/parsers.py ←
15:44:20 <sandro> AndyS: re LALR(1) parser. I think we want to go for LL(1), actually, so it can be done via Recursive Descent. Still need the right tokenizer.
Andy Seaborne: re LALR(1) parser. I think we want to go for LL(1), actually, so it can be done via Recursive Descent. Still need the right tokenizer. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:44:47 <sandro> ericP: I haven't noticed the difference manifesting for this.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I haven't noticed the difference manifesting for this. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:45:24 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
15:45:28 <AndyS> q-
Andy Seaborne: q- ←
15:46:00 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:46:10 <gavinc> Sandro: Speaking as user. Not a grammar geek. Don't want to have to put a space before the period. I don't care if makes the parser harder.
Sandro Hawke: Speaking as user. Not a grammar geek. Don't want to have to put a space before the period. I don't care if makes the parser harder. ←
15:46:53 <sandro> peter: you only need to space after a number.
Peter Patel-Schneider: you only need to space after a number. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:47:01 <sandro> sandro: so code puts a space there
Sandro Hawke: so code puts a space there [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:47:16 <gavinc> AndyS: SPARQL allows for 18. to represent a number, the charter would not allow us to change that
Andy Seaborne: SPARQL allows for 18. to represent a number, the charter would not allow us to change that ←
15:47:24 <sandro> andy: SPARQL 1.0 for better or worse requires the space after a number, and SPARQL 1.1 by its charter can't change that.
Andy Seaborne: SPARQL 1.0 for better or worse requires the space after a number, and SPARQL 1.1 by its charter can't change that. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:47:36 <sandro> andy: I'm not saying it's a good decision, but that's where we are.
Andy Seaborne: I'm not saying it's a good decision, but that's where we are. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:47:56 <gavinc> andy: Prefix names do not end in a .
Andy Seaborne: Prefix names do not end in a . ←
15:47:59 <sandro> AndyS: Prefix names in SPARQL do not end with a .
Andy Seaborne: Prefix names in SPARQL do not end with a . [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:48:01 <AndyS> ack AndyS
Andy Seaborne: ack AndyS ←
15:48:11 <sandro> ack sandro
Sandro Hawke: ack sandro ←
15:48:21 <gavinc> Subtopic: Turtle and Triples
15:48:57 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
15:48:59 <gavinc> Guus: Deprecate N-Triples and just use Turtle? N-Triples developed for test cases.
Guus Schreiber: Deprecate N-Triples and just use Turtle? N-Triples developed for test cases. ←
15:49:21 <ericP> +1 to deprecating ntriples
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to deprecating ntriples ←
15:49:31 <sandro> peter: Yes, get rid of N-Triples!
Peter Patel-Schneider: Yes, get rid of N-Triples! [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:49:51 <zwu2> q+
15:49:58 <zwu2> zakim, unmute me
15:49:58 <Zakim> zwu2 should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should no longer be muted ←
15:50:18 <gavinc> AndyS: Easier to put N-Triples into Turtle, used as a dump format and import format
Andy Seaborne: Easier to put N-Triples into Turtle, used as a dump format and import format ←
15:50:25 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
15:50:55 <AxelPolleres>
15:51:10 <sandro> eric: repeating AndyS: I'd like a standard around N-Triples, it is out there, it is used, lets put it on a standards basis.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: repeating AndyS: I'd like a standard around N-Triples, it is out there, it is used, lets put it on a standards basis. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:51:11 <ericP> turtle: <http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/암스테르담> a <Foo> .
Eric Prud'hommeaux: turtle: <http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/암스테르담> a <Foo> . ←
15:51:12 <ericP> ntriple: <http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%95%94%EC%8A%A4%ED%85%8C%EB%A5%B4%EB%8B%B4> a <Foo> .
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ntriple: <http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%95%94%EC%8A%A4%ED%85%8C%EB%A5%B4%EB%8B%B4> a <Foo> . ←
15:51:28 <webr3> +1 to and a mime type
Nathan Rixham: +1 to and a mime type ←
15:51:28 <ericP> q+ to discuss differences between turtle and ntriples
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to discuss differences between turtle and ntriples ←
15:51:35 <pfps> what is required to turn an n-triples doc into a Turtle doc?
Peter Patel-Schneider: what is required to turn an n-triples doc into a Turtle doc? ←
15:51:38 <sandro> sandro: Can it be done as a small section of the Turtle grammar, specifuing the restrictions?
Sandro Hawke: Can it be done as a small section of the Turtle grammar, specifuing the restrictions? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:51:44 <sandro> AndyS: Yes, and the mime type.
Andy Seaborne: Yes, and the mime type. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:52:05 <webr3> pfps, nothing iirc
Nathan Rixham: pfps, nothing iirc ←
15:52:26 <sandro> sandro: would N-Triples be a sublanguage of Turtle?
Sandro Hawke: would N-Triples be a sublanguage of Turtle? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:52:29 <sandro> AndyS: Yes.
Andy Seaborne: Yes. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:52:59 <sandro> AndyS: Could call it N-Turtle, if we want to distinguish it from N-Triples.
Andy Seaborne: Could call it N-Turtle, if we want to distinguish it from N-Triples. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:53:38 <sandro> ericP: Difference is in IRIs. In N-triples, we we have to do percent-decoding.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Difference is in IRIs. In N-triples, we we have to do percent-decoding. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:53:52 <Guus> [sorry, wasn't looking at the q]
Guus Schreiber: [sorry, wasn't looking at the q] ←
15:54:04 <webr3> ericP, we need it to be UTF-8 and a subset of turtle
Nathan Rixham: ericP, we need it to be UTF-8 and a subset of turtle ←
15:54:13 <sandro> AndyS: I would make N-Turtle, and have it be utf-8.
Andy Seaborne: I would make N-Turtle, and have it be utf-8. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:54:44 <sandro> AndyS: I do come across utf-8 N-triples, and also ascii, with percent-encoding.
Andy Seaborne: I do come across utf-8 N-triples, and also ascii, with percent-encoding. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:54:44 <webr3> +1 likewise, many didn't know it couldn't be ascii in a recent thread on semantic-web
Nathan Rixham: +1 likewise, many didn't know it couldn't be utf8 in a recent thread on semantic-web ←
15:54:56 <sandro> Eric: Some of it is broken, and which way do we want to unbreak it.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Some of it is broken, and which way do we want to unbreak it. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:55:03 <sandro> +1 use IRIs
Sandro Hawke: +1 use IRIs ←
15:55:04 <AndyS> N-Turtle is preferrable UTF-8
Andy Seaborne: N-Turtle is preferrable UTF-8 ←
15:55:04 <ericP> q-
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q- ←
15:55:04 <webr3> s/ascii/utf8
15:55:05 <ww> +1 and likewise for nquads
William Waites: +1 and likewise for nquads ←
15:55:10 <sandro> Guus: +1 use IRIs
Guus Schreiber: +1 use IRIs [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:55:27 <sandro> steve:+1 Andy
Steve Harris: +1 Andy [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:55:37 <gavinc> SteveH: I agree with Andy. We should make N-Triples a subset of Turtle, give it a mimetype and make it UTF-8
Steve Harris: I agree with Andy. We should make N-Triples a subset of Turtle, give it a mimetype and make it UTF-8 ←
15:55:39 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
15:56:03 <AndyS> Need a different name (RDF-data?) and explain that it's N-Triples made into a standard.
Andy Seaborne: Need a different name (RDF-data?) and explain that it's N-Triples made into a standard. ←
15:56:10 <gavinc> Yvesr: Oracle position, it's really easy to parse
Yves Raimond: Oracle position, it's really easy to parse ←
15:56:17 <sandro> zwu2: Oracle uses N-Triples heavily. We don't want it deprecated. Yes, it's long but it's REALLY EASY TO PARSE. Folks zip it up. So backward compatibility is important to us.
Zhe Wu: Oracle uses N-Triples heavily. We don't want it deprecated. Yes, it's long but it's REALLY EASY TO PARSE. Folks zip it up. So backward compatibility is important to us. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:56:50 <gavinc> zwu2: Existing N-Triples should be valid as well.
Zhe Wu: Existing N-Triples should be valid as well. ←
15:56:54 <sandro> guus: Oracle okay with using IRIs?
Guus Schreiber: Oracle okay with using IRIs? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:57:05 <sandro> zwu2: Yes, I think
Zhe Wu: Yes, I think [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:57:08 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
15:57:13 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P11 is yvesr
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P11 is yvesr ←
15:57:13 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it ←
15:57:26 <sandro> ericP: This change would affect the meaning of any NTriples documents with "%" in them.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: This change would affect the meaning of any NTriples documents with "%" in them. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:57:42 <SteveH> q+ to disagree with ericP
Steve Harris: q+ to disagree with ericP ←
15:57:44 <Souri> +1 to raising an issue
Souripriya Das: +1 to raising an issue ←
15:57:48 <ww> +q to ask rhetorcally if N-Turtle would be harder to parse than N-Triples, pace backwards compatibility
William Waites: +q to ask rhetorcally if N-Turtle would be harder to parse than N-Triples, pace backwards compatibility ←
15:57:50 <zwu2> ack zwu2
15:57:54 <ww> -q
William Waites: -q ←
15:57:57 <zwu2> q-
15:58:28 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
15:58:28 <sandro> ACTION: AndyS to make concrete "N-Turtle" proposal
ACTION: AndyS to make concrete "N-Turtle" proposal ←
15:58:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - Make concrete "N-Turtle" proposal [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-04-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-23 - Make concrete "N-Turtle" proposal [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-04-06]. ←
15:58:42 <ericP> text/ntriples+turtle would be consistent with RFC3023 §7 ¶1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: text/ntriples+turtle would be consistent with RFC3023 §7 ¶1 ←
15:58:43 <SteveH> ericP, I'm not sure http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-testcases/#ntriples says you should decode %s
Steve Harris: ericP, I'm not sure http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-testcases/#ntriples says you should decode %s ←
15:58:44 <SteveH> q-
Steve Harris: q- ←
15:59:09 <AndyS> +1 to Steve.
Andy Seaborne: +1 to Steve. ←
15:59:11 <sandro> SteveH: I'm not sure N-Triples doc says you need to unpack %-encoding
Steve Harris: I'm not sure N-Triples doc says you need to unpack %-encoding [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:59:16 <gavinc> SteveH: N-Triples doesn't say you have to un % encode things
Steve Harris: N-Triples doesn't say you have to un % encode things ←
15:59:18 <sandro> Eric: Oh, that would be excellent
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Oh, that would be excellent [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:59:24 <Guus> ack gavinc
Guus Schreiber: ack gavinc ←
15:59:24 <Zakim> gavinc, you wanted to talk about N-Quads
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, you wanted to talk about N-Quads ←
15:59:35 <ww> Q-Turtle
William Waites: Q-Turtle ←
15:59:43 <AndyS> NT has it's own esacaping via \u
Andy Seaborne: NT has it's own esacaping via \u ←
15:59:49 <SteveH> yah
Steve Harris: yah ←
15:59:49 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
16:00:50 <sandro> sandro: basic non-answer is that N-Quads is part of the [GRAPHS] task force, and it hasn't made enough progress yet to know.
Sandro Hawke: basic non-answer is that N-Quads is part of the [GRAPHS] task force, and it hasn't made enough progress yet to know. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:01:12 <gavinc> Guus: I think that's all the issues. Unless we missed something?
Guus Schreiber: I think that's all the issues. Unless we missed something? ←
16:01:26 <AndyS> raise issue against product turtle so we come back to it when [graph] done with it
Andy Seaborne: raise issue against product turtle so we come back to it when [graph] done with it ←
16:01:42 <gavinc> Sandro: Issue-19, diffrence between SPARQL and Turtle. In N3 and SPARQL you can do a BNode production... you can make a statement by just having it []
Sandro Hawke: ISSUE-19, diffrence between SPARQL and Turtle. In N3 and SPARQL you can do a BNode production... you can make a statement by just having it [] ←
16:01:53 <AndyS> e.g. [ ns:foo 132 ; ns:bar ] .
Andy Seaborne: e.g. [ ns:foo 132 ; ns:bar ] . ←
16:02:37 <gavinc> AndyS: Yes, it should be part of Turtle.
Andy Seaborne: Yes, it should be part of Turtle. ←
16:02:45 <sandro> Pat: me too.
Patrick Hayes: me too. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:02:50 <gavinc> Pat: Yes, it should be in Turtle.
Patrick Hayes: Yes, it should be in Turtle. ←
16:02:51 <ericP> sounds good to me
Eric Prud'hommeaux: sounds good to me ←
16:02:57 <webr3> +1
Nathan Rixham: +1 ←
16:03:09 <SteveH> raptor parses it too, fwiw
Steve Harris: raptor parses it too, fwiw ←
16:03:15 <AndyS> Be careful that "[] ." does no parse
Andy Seaborne: Be careful that "[] ." does no parse ←
16:03:32 <AndyS> Be careful that "[] ." does not parse
Andy Seaborne: Be careful that "[] ." does not parse ←
16:03:40 <pfps> I'll speak up here.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll speak up here. ←
16:03:49 <SteveH> [ <foo> 132 ; <bar> 23 ] . = two triples in raptor
Steve Harris: [ <foo> 132 ; <bar> 23 ] . = two triples in raptor ←
16:04:11 <gavinc> Gavin: I think most parsers work this way already
Gavin Carothers: I think most parsers work this way already ←
16:04:17 <gavinc> Sandro: Maybe gather more data?
Sandro Hawke: Maybe gather more data? ←
16:04:20 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
16:04:25 <AndyS> Jena RIOT accepts it (as 2 triples)
Andy Seaborne: Jena RIOT accepts it (as 2 triples) ←
16:04:46 <sandro> excellent, if Jena and Raptor and rdflib are happy with it, I'm happy with it. :-)
Sandro Hawke: excellent, if Jena and Raptor and rdflib are happy with it, I'm happy with it. :-) ←
16:04:48 <webr3> my parsers do too, two triples.
Nathan Rixham: my parsers do too, two triples. ←
16:04:58 <gavinc> Guus: I hope we can make some progress on this at the F2F
Guus Schreiber: I hope we can make some progress on this at the F2F ←
16:05:02 <pathayes> the parsers speak...
Patrick Hayes: the parsers speak... ←
16:05:22 <gavinc> Topic: General Issues
16:05:36 <gavinc> Sandro: Should we talk more about the F2F?
Sandro Hawke: Should we talk more about the F2F? ←
16:05:57 <gavinc> Guus: We won't get to these general issues today.
Guus Schreiber: We won't get to these general issues today. ←
16:06:32 <gavinc> Guus: Are there any women in this WG?
Guus Schreiber: Are there any women in this WG? ←
16:06:34 <gavinc> Gavin: No.
Gavin Carothers: No. ←
16:06:42 <Zakim> -cmatheus
Zakim IRC Bot: -cmatheus ←
16:07:11 <AndyS> ACTION: Andy to write collect issues and write a proposal standardizing N-Triples.
ACTION: Andy to write collect issues and write a proposal standardizing N-Triples. ←
16:07:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Write collect issues and write a proposal standardizing N-Triples. [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-04-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-24 - Write collect issues and write a proposal standardizing N-Triples. [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-04-06]. ←
16:07:53 <mbrunati> me on JSON TF, I'll try to do my best .) for the F2F
Matteo Brunati: me on JSON TF, I'll try to do my best .) for the F2F ←
16:08:14 <Zakim> -webr3
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16:09:06 <gavinc> Sandro: Job of the presentor is to make sure the people at the F2F have a good idea of what's going on
Sandro Hawke: Job of the presentor is to make sure the people at the F2F have a good idea of what's going on ←
16:09:29 <pathayes> you dont have to use powerpoint....
Patrick Hayes: you dont have to use powerpoint.... ←
16:09:57 <gavinc> SteveH: Yeah, I'll do the Turtle TF presentation at the F2F
Steve Harris: Yeah, I'll do the Turtle TF presentation at the F2F ←
16:10:42 <gavinc> Guus: Richard in the best position to give this overview
Guus Schreiber: Richard in the best position to give Graph overview ←
16:11:04 <gavinc> s/this/Graph
16:11:52 <gavinc> Guus: JSON, hard to summarize
Guus Schreiber: JSON, hard to summarize ←
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16:13:02 <gavinc> Sandro: I'll ask Thomas to present JSON TF at the F2F
Sandro Hawke: I'll ask Thomas to present JSON TF at the F2F ←
16:13:14 <gavinc> Guus: Good to do a summary of the Other Things.
Guus Schreiber: Good to do a summary of the Other Things. ←
16:13:46 <gavinc> Sandro: Willing to present deprecation issues
Sandro Hawke: Willing to present deprecation issues ←
16:13:59 <gavinc> Sandro: Make Ivan do the other ones.
Sandro Hawke: Make Ivan do the other ones. ←
16:14:32 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
16:14:45 <gavinc> Guus: Thank you all. See you next week.
Guus Schreiber: Thank you all. See you next week. ←
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