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Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 02 May 2013

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.05.02
Seen
Curt Tilmes, Hook Hua, Ivan Herman, James Cheney, Luc Moreau, Paul Groth, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Stian Soiland-Reyes, Ted Thibodeau, Timothy Lebo, Tom De Nies, Trung Huynh
Regrets
Curt Tilmes
Chair
Luc Moreau
Scribe
Simon Miles
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of April 25, 2013 Telcon link
  2. to terminate the activities of the Provenance Working Group on May 17, 2013 link
Topics
  1. Admin

  2. congratulations

    Congratulations to the group, all our specifications have now been published.

  3. Provenance Working Group End Date

    The group agreed to terminate the activities of the PROV working group on May 17th.

  4. provenance of documents

    prov-family.provn will be finalized next week (luc) and the other representations will be cleaned up/checked by Paul, Tim, and Stephan.

  5. Finalizing /ns

    Paul will produce a first version of the landing page for the group to review.

  6. Wikis

    A few minor edits will be made on the wiki by the chairs.

  7. FAQ

    The FAQ needs some serious reorganization and clean up. Paul or Graham should look at the PAQ related entries, and remove/complete the todos. Help needed by other group members.

  8. Dissemination/Announcement

    Keep on announcing our documents. Further blogs are planned to be posted.

14:56:00 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-prov-irc

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14:56:02 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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14:56:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:56:04 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

14:56:05 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV

Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:56:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:56:05 <trackbot> Date: 02 May 2013
14:56:06 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

14:56:22 <Luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.05.02
14:56:48 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
14:56:59 <Luc> Regrets: Curt Tilmes
14:57:09 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, make logs public

14:57:14 <Luc> zakim, who is here?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here?

14:57:14 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has not yet started, Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has not yet started, Luc

14:57:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Luc, pgroth, ivan, TallTed, stain, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Luc, pgroth, ivan, TallTed, stain, trackbot

14:57:52 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

14:57:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:58:09 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Paul Groth: Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:58:09 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it

14:59:36 <Zakim> +Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc

14:59:48 <Zakim> +tlebo

Zakim IRC Bot: +tlebo

15:00:08 <Luc> hello, anybody willing to scribe?

Luc Moreau: hello, anybody willing to scribe?

15:00:11 <Zakim> +??P39

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P39

15:00:21 <smiles> zakim, ??P39 is me

Simon Miles: zakim, ??P39 is me

15:00:21 <Zakim> +smiles; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +smiles; got it

15:00:25 <tlebo> Sorry, @luc, I can only stay for 30 minutes

Timothy Lebo: Sorry, @luc, I can only stay for 30 minutes

15:00:28 <smiles> I can scribe

Simon Miles: I can scribe

15:00:35 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: Provenance WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ -- agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.05.02

Ted Thibodeau: TallTed has changed the topic to: Provenance WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ -- agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.05.02

15:00:41 <Luc> thanks Simon

Luc Moreau: thanks Simon

15:00:42 <ivan> zakim, code?

Ivan Herman: zakim, code?

15:00:43 <Zakim> the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan

15:00:48 <Luc> everything is set up

Luc Moreau: everything is set up

15:00:51 <Luc> scribe: smiles

(Scribe set to Simon Miles)

15:00:52 <smiles> ok, thanks

ok, thanks

15:01:01 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[OpenLink]

15:01:11 <TallTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is OpenLink_Software

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [OpenLink] is OpenLink_Software

15:01:11 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software; got it

15:01:13 <Luc> topic: Admin

1. Admin

15:01:18 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:01:19 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it

15:01:20 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:01:20 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

15:01:26 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

15:02:27 <Zakim> +jcheney

Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney

15:02:35 <Luc> PROPOSED: to accept Minutes of April 25, 2013 Telcon

PROPOSED: to accept Minutes of April 25, 2013 Telcon

15:02:43 <Luc> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/prov/2013-04-25

Luc Moreau: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/prov/2013-04-25

15:02:48 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.818.731.aaaa

15:02:59 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:03:00 <smiles> +1

+1

15:03:03 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:03:04 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:03:19 <Luc> ACCEPTED:  Minutes of April 25, 2013 Telcon

RESOLVED: Minutes of April 25, 2013 Telcon

15:03:26 <Luc> Topic: congratulations

2. congratulations

Summary: Congratulations to the group, all our specifications have now been published.

<luc>Summary: Congratulations to the group, all our specifications have now been published.
15:03:30 <pgroth> YEAH!!!

Paul Groth: YEAH!!!

15:03:40 <smiles> Luc: Congratulations on all the documents being published on Tuesday!

Luc Moreau: Congratulations on all the documents being published on Tuesday!

15:03:57 <tlebo> :-)

Timothy Lebo: :-)

15:04:04 <pgroth> hey luc - how long was it?

Paul Groth: hey luc - how long was it?

15:04:13 <ivan> clap clap clap clap

Ivan Herman: clap clap clap clap

15:04:20 <Zakim> +TomDN

Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN

15:04:31 <TomDN> congrats everyone :)

Tom De Nies: congrats everyone :)

15:04:34 <pgroth> 2 years on the nose

Paul Groth: 2 years on the nose

15:04:34 <smiles> Luc: Last Sunday was the second anniversary of the WG

Luc Moreau: Last Sunday was the second anniversary of the WG

15:04:34 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me

15:04:34 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

15:04:39 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-04-28

Timothy Lebo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-04-28

15:05:00 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:05:03 <smiles> Luc: Any comment on this news?

Luc Moreau: Any comment on this news?

15:05:08 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:05:10 <TomDN> (Sam send his regards and congratulations, he is abroad at the moment)

Tom De Nies: (Sam send his regards and congratulations, he is abroad at the moment)

15:05:11 <smiles> Just well done!

Just well done!

15:05:15 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

15:05:16 <Luc> Topic: Provenance Working Group End Date

3. Provenance Working Group End Date

Summary: The group agreed to terminate the activities of the PROV working group on May 17th.

<luc>Summary: The group agreed to terminate the activities of the PROV working group on May 17th.
15:05:21 <pgroth> later

Paul Groth: later

15:05:24 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.818.731.aaaa

15:05:57 <smiles> Luc: When are we going to close the WG? Last week, we said 2 to 3 weeks to complete remaining tasks

Luc Moreau: When are we going to close the WG? Last week, we said 2 to 3 weeks to complete remaining tasks

15:06:17 <smiles> ... Proposal to terminate on May 17th, after last telecon on 16th

... Proposal to terminate on May 17th, after last telecon on 16th

15:06:18 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:06:24 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:06:35 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.818.731.aabb

15:06:55 <smiles> pgroth: Do we need more telecons?

Paul Groth: Do we need more telecons?

15:07:20 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:07:26 <tlebo> If you want stuff from me, you should have me in a telecon...

Timothy Lebo: If you want stuff from me, you should have me in a telecon...

15:07:29 <smiles> ... Will discuss with Luc after this call whether more are needed

... Will discuss with Luc after this call whether more are needed

15:07:44 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:07:58 <Luc> PROPOSED: to terminate the activities of the Provenance Working Group on May 17, 2013

PROPOSED: to terminate the activities of the Provenance Working Group on May 17, 2013

15:08:03 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:08:03 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:08:03 <smiles> +1

+1

15:08:04 <pgroth> +1

Paul Groth: +1

15:08:07 <Dong> +1

Trung Huynh: +1

15:08:07 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

15:08:07 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:08:08 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:08:19 <Luc> ACCEPTED: to terminate the activities of the Provenance Working Group on May 17, 2013

RESOLVED: to terminate the activities of the Provenance Working Group on May 17, 2013

15:08:21 <jcheney_> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:08:23 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

15:08:39 <pgroth> :-)

Paul Groth: :-)

15:08:42 <pgroth> invalidation!

Paul Groth: invalidation!

15:08:46 <tlebo> invalidation!

Timothy Lebo: invalidation!

15:08:47 <smiles> Luc: Can now complete provenance of PROV family with invalidation on 17 May

Luc Moreau: Can now complete provenance of PROV family with invalidation on 17 May

15:08:48 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:08:53 <pgroth> never thought that would be useful… :-)

Paul Groth: never thought that would be useful… :-)

15:08:59 <smiles> Luc: Any comment on this?

Luc Moreau: Any comment on this?

15:09:02 <Luc> topic: provenance of documents

4. provenance of documents

Summary: prov-family.provn will be finalized next week (luc) and the other representations will be cleaned up/checked by Paul, Tim, and Stephan.

<Luc>Summary: prov-family.provn will be finalized next week (luc) and the other representations will be cleaned up/checked by Paul, Tim, and Stephan.
15:09:11 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:09:30 <smiles> Luc: Now have reasonable files edited last week, need to be finalised

Luc Moreau: Now have reasonable files edited last week, need to be finalised

15:09:49 <stain> Hm, but the 17th of May is my country's national day! It's going to be both a sad and happy day for me!

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Hm, but the 17th of May is my country's national day! It's going to be both a sad and happy day for me!

15:10:00 <smiles> ... Will add end of WG, and make a couple of corrections in the use of roles

... Will add end of WG, and make a couple of corrections in the use of roles

15:10:14 <pgroth> @stain - you can join another wg? :-)

Paul Groth: @stain - you can join another wg? :-)

15:10:19 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:10:30 <smiles> ... Once finalised, it would be good to have someone look at the Turtle, someone at the XML

... Once finalised, it would be good to have someone look at the Turtle, someone at the XML

15:10:42 <pgroth> I can do the turtle if tlebo helps

Paul Groth: I can do the turtle if tlebo helps

15:10:46 <smiles> zednik: I can look at the XML

Stephan Zednik: I can look at the XML

15:11:06 <tlebo> I already looked at the TTL. I can take another look at the attribution.

Timothy Lebo: I already looked at the TTL. I can take another look at the attribution.

15:11:46 <smiles> Luc: A number of comments in the PROV-N are lost in the translation

Luc Moreau: A number of comments in the PROV-N are lost in the translation

15:12:01 <smiles> ... and the translations have different chronological order

... and the translations have different chronological order

15:12:15 <smiles> pgroth: Do not need to be exactly the same, but will look at them

Paul Groth: Do not need to be exactly the same, but will look at them

15:12:33 <stain> should the comments be made into something like rdfs:comment?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: should the comments be made into something like rdfs:comment?

15:12:39 <smiles> Luc: Aim to finalise by Mon/Tue next week, then pgroth and zednik to edit

Luc Moreau: Aim to finalise by Mon/Tue next week, then pgroth and zednik to edit

15:12:43 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:12:43 <Zakim> + +44.442.380.55.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.442.380.55.aacc

15:12:54 <Luc> topic: Finalizing /ns

5. Finalizing /ns

Summary: Paul will produce a first version of the landing page for the group to review.

<luc>Summary: Paul will produce a first version of the landing page for the group to review.
15:13:28 <smiles> Luc: We have all the schema files, but don't know if they need editing

Luc Moreau: We have all the schema files, but don't know if they need editing

15:14:08 <smiles> pgroth: For the HTML file, I need to redo the dummy version; the overview is up to date but just a placeholder

Paul Groth: For the HTML file, I need to redo the dummy version; the overview is up to date but just a placeholder

15:14:19 <smiles> Luc: When will there be an HTML file we can look at?

Luc Moreau: When will there be an HTML file we can look at?

15:14:34 <tlebo> Everything is concatenated at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/namespace/releases/prov-20130430

Timothy Lebo: Everything is concatenated at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/namespace/releases/prov-20130430

15:14:35 <smiles> pgroth: Will work on it Sunday/Monday, for review mid-next week

Paul Groth: Will work on it Sunday/Monday, for review mid-next week

15:15:00 <smiles> Luc: Do they need any further curation?

Luc Moreau: Do they need any further curation?

15:15:50 <smiles> tlebo: No plans to do anything else, though having problems loading into Protege

Timothy Lebo: No plans to do anything else, though having problems loading into Protege

15:15:59 <tlebo> "# The following was imported from http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-o#"

Timothy Lebo: "# The following was imported from http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-o#"

15:16:15 <smiles> ... Added string above between each of concatenated files

... Added string above between each of concatenated files

15:16:16 <tlebo> prov\:wasDerivedFrom <http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-aq#>, <http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-dc#>, <http://www

Timothy Lebo: prov\:wasDerivedFrom <http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-aq#>, <http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-dc#>, <http://www

15:16:29 <pgroth> yes

Paul Groth: yes

15:16:42 <smiles> ... Along with assertion above, this should be everything wanted

... Along with assertion above, this should be everything wanted

15:16:47 <pgroth> i think I also define things again in prov-aq

Paul Groth: i think I also define things again in prov-aq

15:17:10 <smiles> Luc: When will you hand over to Stian to look at?

Luc Moreau: When will you hand over to Stian to look at?

15:17:23 <smiles> tlebo: Just sent out email to WG during this meeting

Timothy Lebo: Just sent out email to WG during this meeting

15:17:44 <smiles> Luc: No further editing expected?

Luc Moreau: No further editing expected?

15:17:51 <smiles> tlebo: No

Timothy Lebo: No

15:18:35 <pgroth> xsd file

Paul Groth: xsd file

15:18:38 <pgroth> xsd files

Paul Groth: xsd files

15:18:58 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:19:00 <smiles> zednik: For the XSD files, there is no intention to change them further

Stephan Zednik: For the XSD files, there is no intention to change them further

15:19:32 <zednik> @pgroth thanks, I was confused :-)

Stephan Zednik: @pgroth thanks, I was confused :-)

15:19:36 <smiles> Luc: For the OWL files, small issue, XSD are fine, and HTML files ready mid next week, so well on track to complete

Luc Moreau: For the OWL files, small issue, XSD are fine, and HTML files ready mid next week, so well on track to complete

15:19:51 <tlebo> q+

Timothy Lebo: q+

15:19:54 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:19:59 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

15:20:00 <smiles> pgroth: Do we also want to put the PROV-N grammar there?

Paul Groth: Do we also want to put the PROV-N grammar there?

15:20:02 <pgroth> we don't have to

Paul Groth: we don't have to

15:20:28 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo

15:20:35 <smiles> Luc: The grammar is linked from the PROV-N document, as it is already completely inside the document and just convenient standalone file

Luc Moreau: The grammar is linked from the PROV-N document, as it is already completely inside the document and just convenient standalone file

15:20:50 <smiles> ... Could put in /ns but not sure what MIME type it would be

... Could put in /ns but not sure what MIME type it would be

15:20:55 <pgroth> ok no prov-n

Paul Groth: ok no prov-n

15:21:13 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:21:15 <smiles> ivan: If it does not have a media type, then can't do it

Ivan Herman: If it does not have a media type, then can't do it

15:21:17 <tlebo> I only got feedback from Paul on the ns concatenation -- nothing from editors. Shall I assume that they are happy with its result?

Timothy Lebo: I only got feedback from Paul on the ns concatenation -- nothing from editors. Shall I assume that they are happy with its result?

15:21:26 <pgroth> ack tlebo

Paul Groth: ack tlebo

15:21:31 <pgroth> ack ivan

Paul Groth: ack ivan

15:21:55 <smiles> tlebo: Only feedback from Paul on namespace concatentation, but concerns multiple  notes (DC, AQ...) , so would like to know editors are happy with it

Timothy Lebo: Only feedback from Paul on namespace concatentation, but concerns multiple notes (DC, AQ...) , so would like to know editors are happy with it

15:22:03 <pgroth> well I did it for aq

Paul Groth: well I did it for aq

15:22:05 <Luc> ack tle

Luc Moreau: ack tle

15:22:18 <pgroth> i took him off the queue

Paul Groth: i took him off the queue

15:22:21 <pgroth> :-)

Paul Groth: :-)

15:22:35 <tlebo> thanks, @ivan :-)

Timothy Lebo: thanks, @ivan :-)

15:22:58 <pgroth> the only thing left is html

Paul Groth: the only thing left is html

15:23:09 <smiles> ivan: Can Luc or Paul tell me when all files are ready, not having many requests over the day

Ivan Herman: Can Luc or Paul tell me when all files are ready, not having many requests over the day

15:23:24 <pgroth> but we can do it in bulk

Paul Groth: but we can do it in bulk

15:23:34 <pgroth> when I do it when the html

Paul Groth: when I do it when the html

15:23:37 <tlebo> FWIW, there is https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/ec6859fefebf/namespace/bin/test-w3org.sh to make sure we have it right...

Timothy Lebo: FWIW, there is https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/ec6859fefebf/namespace/bin/test-w3org.sh to make sure we have it right...

15:23:41 <smiles> Luc: Yes, there will be multiple edits, and once these are done we can send a single requests for all

Luc Moreau: Yes, there will be multiple edits, and once these are done we can send a single requests for all

15:24:42 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:26:30 <pgroth> you need to run it from the namespace directory

Paul Groth: you need to run it from the namespace directory

15:26:32 <pgroth> not in bin

Paul Groth: not in bin

15:26:44 <Luc> Topic: Wikis

6. Wikis

Summary: A few minor edits will be made on the wiki by the chairs.

<luc>Summary: A few minor edits will be made on the wiki by the chairs.
15:27:12 <smiles> Luc: We have tidied up the front page of the PROV Wiki

Luc Moreau: We have tidied up the front page of the PROV Wiki

15:27:33 <smiles> ... A few more things to do on closure of the WG, but can do offline

... A few more things to do on closure of the WG, but can do offline

15:27:54 <smiles> pgroth: We need to copy some outreach and new information over, other than that its fine

Paul Groth: We need to copy some outreach and new information over, other than that its fine

15:28:16 <smiles> Luc: By copy, we mean copy to SW Wiki and put link from PROV Wiki

Luc Moreau: By copy, we mean copy to SW Wiki and put link from PROV Wiki

15:28:30 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV

Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV

15:28:56 <smiles> ivan: I updated above page yesterday, uses Semantic MediaWiki tricks listing tools relating to provenance

Ivan Herman: I updated above page yesterday, uses Semantic MediaWiki tricks listing tools relating to provenance

15:28:57 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Tools

Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Tools

15:29:24 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/R2RML_Parser example

Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/R2RML_Parser example

15:29:38 <smiles> ... Currently it is empty, but if add to above Tools page would automatically appear elsewhere on Wiki

... Currently it is empty, but if add to above Tools page would automatically appear elsewhere on Wiki

15:29:52 <smiles> ... See the R2RML example above

... See the R2RML example above

15:30:08 <pgroth> can we not copy our implementation report

Paul Groth: can we not copy our implementation report

15:30:08 <tlebo> q+ confused

Timothy Lebo: q+ confused

15:30:09 <pgroth> ?

Paul Groth: ?

15:30:15 <smiles> ... If there are tools from the CR phase, would be good to add

... If there are tools from the CR phase, would be good to add

15:30:55 <pgroth> q+ to ask about this in bulk

Paul Groth: q+ to ask about this in bulk

15:31:14 <smiles> ivan: List technologies your tool is relevant for (PROV), and for category put category as on Tool page

Ivan Herman: List technologies your tool is relevant for (PROV), and for category put category as on Tool page

15:31:17 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Category:Tool

Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Category:Tool

15:31:49 <pgroth> per technology

Paul Groth: per technology

15:32:17 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:32:23 <pgroth> raises hand

Paul Groth: raises hand

15:32:29 <smiles> Luc: Will send an action to all to add tools

Luc Moreau: Will send an action to all to add tools

15:32:31 <Luc> ack con

Luc Moreau: ack con

15:33:00 <smiles> pgroth: We have a implementation report, should we convert?

Paul Groth: We have a implementation report, should we convert?

15:33:16 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:33:16 <Zakim> pgroth, you wanted to ask about this in bulk and to  and to

Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth, you wanted to ask about this in bulk and to and to

15:33:17 <smiles> ivan: No, other people should do it themselves where they want the tools publicised

Ivan Herman: No, other people should do it themselves where they want the tools publicised

15:33:48 <tlebo> @paul add a link to the implementation report

Timothy Lebo: @paul add a link to the implementation report

15:33:51 <smiles> pgroth: Would like to give (correct) impression that we have a lot of tools, but Wiki will be spartan

Paul Groth: Would like to give (correct) impression that we have a lot of tools, but Wiki will be spartan

15:33:54 <pgroth> yeah

Paul Groth: yeah

15:33:55 <Luc> +1

Luc Moreau: +1

15:34:18 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV#All_relevant_tools

Timothy Lebo: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV#All_relevant_tools

15:34:21 <smiles> Luc: Tim's suggestion of a link to the implementation report is good

Luc Moreau: Tim's suggestion of a link to the implementation report is good

15:34:23 <pgroth> in big bold letters

Paul Groth: in big bold letters

15:35:11 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-prov-implementations-20130430/

Timothy Lebo: http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-prov-implementations-20130430/

15:35:26 <TomDN> or http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-implementations/

Tom De Nies: or http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-implementations/

15:35:37 <smiles> ivan: Have to make clear it was status of implementation as of now, will be irrelevant late

Ivan Herman: Have to make clear it was status of implementation as of now, will be irrelevant late

15:35:48 <tlebo> w00t http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV

Timothy Lebo: w00t http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV

15:37:33 <smiles> ivan: Could add something more on SW Wiki main PROV page to make more self-explanatory, today would be nice; can add sub-pages to help keep up community; etc.

Ivan Herman: Could add something more on SW Wiki main PROV page to make more self-explanatory, today would be nice; can add sub-pages to help keep up community; etc.

15:37:41 <tlebo> :-)

Timothy Lebo: :-)

15:37:45 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:37:57 <tlebo> q+

Timothy Lebo: q+

15:38:00 <TomDN> Were we going to make the FAQ editable after the closing as well?

Tom De Nies: Were we going to make the FAQ editable after the closing as well?

15:38:07 <pgroth> i'll do some updating

Paul Groth: i'll do some updating

15:38:16 <Luc> Topic: FAQ

7. FAQ

Summary: The FAQ needs some serious reorganization and clean up. Paul or Graham should look at the PAQ related entries, and remove/complete the todos. Help needed by other group members.

<Luc>Summary: The FAQ needs some serious reorganization and clean up. Paul or Graham should look at the PAQ related entries, and remove/complete the todos.  Help needed by other group members.
15:38:23 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:38:27 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV-FAQ

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV-FAQ

15:38:31 <TomDN> (nevermind :) )

Tom De Nies: (nevermind :) )

15:38:47 <smiles> Luc: Is the FAQ finished?

Luc Moreau: Is the FAQ finished?

15:38:56 <tlebo> q-

Timothy Lebo: q-

15:39:01 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:39:23 <tlebo> q+ to point out that you need to "no-op edit" http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV to get it to refresh the listing of tools.

Timothy Lebo: q+ to point out that you need to "no-op edit" http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV to get it to refresh the listing of tools.

15:39:24 <smiles> pgroth: It needs to be cleaned up, some sections are a bit overloaded

Paul Groth: It needs to be cleaned up, some sections are a bit overloaded

15:39:47 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:39:54 <tlebo> @ivan, "All relevant tools" is a bit closed-world for a SW wiki...

Timothy Lebo: @ivan, "All relevant tools" is a bit closed-world for a SW wiki...

15:40:20 <Luc> ack tl

Luc Moreau: ack tl

15:40:20 <Zakim> tlebo, you wanted to point out that you need to "no-op edit" http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV to get it to refresh the listing of tools.

Zakim IRC Bot: tlebo, you wanted to point out that you need to "no-op edit" http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV to get it to refresh the listing of tools.

15:40:32 <smiles> tlebo: Just to mention, when you add your tool to the SW Wiki, need to refresh (edit and save) PROV page for tool to be included

Timothy Lebo: Just to mention, when you add your tool to the SW Wiki, need to refresh (edit and save) PROV page for tool to be included

15:40:36 <pgroth> yes

Paul Groth: yes

15:40:43 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:41:34 <smiles> Luc: There are to-dos for Tim, under PAQ, and regarding JAXB; are authors planning to complete?

Luc Moreau: There are to-dos for Tim, under PAQ, and regarding JAXB; are authors planning to complete?

15:41:40 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:41:45 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:42:12 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:42:14 <smiles> pgroth: To-dos from PAQ are just dumped there, so I or Graham need to clean up

Paul Groth: To-dos from PAQ are just dumped there, so I or Graham need to clean up

15:42:24 <pgroth> yes

Paul Groth: yes

15:42:27 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:42:33 <smiles> Luc: If no-one can complete the tasks, then remove to-dos

Luc Moreau: If no-one can complete the tasks, then remove to-dos

15:42:38 <Luc> Topic: Dissemination/Announcement

8. Dissemination/Announcement

Summary: Keep on announcing our documents. Further blogs are planned to be posted.

<Luc>Summary: Keep on announcing our documents. Further blogs are planned to be posted.
15:42:53 <ivan> For the records: interview with Luc and Paul: http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/04/interview_paul_groth_and_luc_m.html

Ivan Herman: For the records: interview with Luc and Paul: http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/04/interview_paul_groth_and_luc_m.html

15:42:54 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:42:58 <pgroth> Q=

Paul Groth: Q=

15:43:00 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:43:03 <smiles> Luc: Planning write blog entry on PROV family of documents next week

Luc Moreau: Planning write blog entry on PROV family of documents next week

15:43:23 <smiles> pgroth: Will do summary/close blog post

Paul Groth: Will do summary/close blog post

15:43:26 <tlebo> I addressed http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV-FAQ#Why_doesn.27t_PROV_use_FOAF.3F by deferring to the general design approach.

Timothy Lebo: I addressed http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV-FAQ#Why_doesn.27t_PROV_use_FOAF.3F by deferring to the general design approach.

15:43:58 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:44:17 <smiles> pgroth: Anything sent to W3C mailing lists?

Paul Groth: Anything sent to W3C mailing lists?

15:44:35 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:44:37 <smiles> ivan: Put on Twitter and Google+, but probably worth also sending to mailing list

Ivan Herman: Put on Twitter and Google+, but probably worth also sending to mailing list

15:44:45 <smiles> pgroth: Will do that

Paul Groth: Will do that

15:44:47 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:45:15 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:45:18 <pgroth> yes

Paul Groth: yes

15:45:32 <pgroth> yes

Paul Groth: yes

15:45:49 <pgroth> well probably the week before

Paul Groth: well probably the week before

15:46:16 <smiles> Luc: Probably not a call next week, but will confirm this by email; probably will be a call before closing, TBC

Luc Moreau: Probably not a call next week, but will confirm this by email; probably will be a call before closing, TBC

15:46:24 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me

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15:46:24 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted

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15:46:25 <pgroth> bye

Paul Groth: bye

15:46:25 <Zakim> -tlebo

Zakim IRC Bot: -tlebo

15:46:27 <pgroth> and congrats

Paul Groth: and congrats

15:46:27 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo

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15:46:27 <Dong> bye all

Trung Huynh: bye all

15:46:28 <smiles> OK thanks!

OK thanks!

15:46:28 <Zakim> -jcheney

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15:46:29 <Zakim> -Ivan

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15:46:31 <Zakim> -Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc

15:46:32 <pgroth> if we don't talk again

Paul Groth: if we don't talk again

15:46:33 <Zakim> -TallTed

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15:46:33 <Zakim> -TomDN

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15:46:34 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

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15:46:36 <Zakim> -pgroth

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15:46:50 <Zakim> -smiles

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15:49:54 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended

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15:49:54 <Zakim> Attendees were pgroth, Luc, tlebo, smiles, TallTed, Ivan, jcheney, +1.818.731.aaaa, TomDN, +1.818.731.aabb, [IPcaller], +44.442.380.55.aacc, Satya_Sahoo

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