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Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 28 March 2013

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.03.28
Seen
Christine Runnegar, Craig Trim, Daniel Garijo, Graham Klyne, Hook Hua, Ivan Herman, James Cheney, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Paolo Missier, Paul Groth, Sam Coppens, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Stian Soiland-Reyes, Tom De Nies
Chair
Luc Moreau
Scribe
Daniel Garijo
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. last week's minutes link
Topics
  1. prov-xml

    Feedback was received about the mime-type application. Stephan to draft a response. The issue on JAXB is not resolved yet, but the editors propose to try a solution, and share it with the group early next week. The plan is to have the document ready for internal review by Thursday (04/04).

  2. prov-aq

    Document is out for review. Stian and Sam will review the document. Any other volunteer? Reviews due by next call on (04/04).

  3. prov-primer

    Editors are still making a few changes. Document is planned to be out tomorrow. Paul and Craig to review prov-primer. Any other volunteer? Reviews due by the next teleconference (04/04).

  4. prov-dc

    Daniel to finalize the document by tomorrow. Paul and Simon to review. Any other volunteer? Reviews due by the next teleconference (04/04(.

  5. prov-dictionary

    Sam and Tom finalizing the document. It should be ready tomorrow. Simon and Luc to review the document. Any other volunteer? Reviews due by next teleconference.

  6. prov-overview

    Suggestions were due by today. Document will be ready for review at the next teleconference.

  7. prov-links

    Document is out for review. Simon and Tom will review it, Graham just completed a review. Any other volunteer? Reviews due in by next teleconference on 04/04.

  8. Updates to FAQ / posts / other

    We spent some time reminding group members to get their Ac Rep to vote for prov recommendations. Stian, Daniel and Paolo drafted some blogs. Paul is happy to post them (or a link to them) on the W3C Semantic Web blog. Daniel made a suggestion for the FAQ entry. Membership invited to think about good topics to add to the FAQ.

14:50:52 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/03/28-prov-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/03/28-prov-irc

14:50:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world

14:50:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:50:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes

14:50:56 <Luc> zakim, this will be PROV

Luc Moreau: zakim, this will be PROV

14:50:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:50:57 <trackbot> Date: 28 March 2013
14:50:58 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes

14:51:07 <Luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.03.28
14:51:22 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
14:52:00 <Luc> Scribe: dgarijo

(Scribe set to Daniel Garijo)

14:52:23 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, make logs public

14:55:35 <dgarijo> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.03.28
14:56:39 <Luc> Hi daniel, are you OK to scribe?

Luc Moreau: Hi daniel, are you OK to scribe?

14:57:55 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

14:58:03 <Zakim> + +44.238.059.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.238.059.aaaa

14:58:32 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

14:58:53 <Luc> zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me

Luc Moreau: zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me

14:58:54 <Zakim> +Luc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc; got it

14:59:08 <Luc> Hi daniel, are you OK to scribe?

Luc Moreau: Hi daniel, are you OK to scribe?

14:59:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:59:15 <GK> zakim, ??p2 is me

Graham Klyne: zakim, ??p2 is me

14:59:15 <Zakim> +GK; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it

14:59:34 <dgarijo> Hi Luc, yes, I'm ok.

Hi Luc, yes, I'm ok.

15:00:03 <Zakim> +??P13

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13

15:00:09 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P13 is me

Zakim, ??P13 is me

15:00:10 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it

15:00:55 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.818.731.aabb

15:01:24 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.818.731.aabb

15:01:47 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.818.731.aacc

15:01:59 <dgarijo> scribe: dgarijo
15:02:23 <dgarijo> Luc: today we are going to Luc at the documents we are going to release+ organize reviews.

Luc Moreau: today we are going to Luc at the documents we are going to release+ organize reviews.

15:02:25 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-03-21

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-03-21

15:02:26 <GK> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.03.28

Graham Klyne: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.03.28

15:02:34 <Luc> Proposed: approved last week's minutes

PROPOSED: approved last week's minutes

15:02:43 <Zakim> +jcheney

Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney

15:02:46 <dgarijo> dgarijo:+0 (I wasn't)

Daniel Garijo: +0 (I wasn't)

15:02:51 <Luc> zakim, who is here?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here?

15:02:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc, GK, [IPcaller], dgarijo, +1.818.731.aacc, jcheney

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Luc, GK, [IPcaller], dgarijo, +1.818.731.aacc, jcheney

15:02:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see christine, hook, jcheney, Paolo, zednik, GK, khalidBelhajjame, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, GK-alt, TallTed, ivan, stain, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see christine, hook, jcheney, Paolo, zednik, GK, khalidBelhajjame, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, GK-alt, TallTed, ivan, stain, trackbot

15:02:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

15:03:06 <GK> I'm here

Graham Klyne: I'm here

15:03:08 <dgarijo> me :)

me :)

15:03:10 <jcheney> here

James Cheney: here

15:03:16 <hook> here

Hook Hua: here

15:03:16 <christine> Zakim, [IPcaller.a] is christine

Christine Runnegar: Zakim, [IPcaller.a] is christine

15:03:16 <Zakim> +christine; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +christine; got it

15:03:18 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:03:19 <Zakim> +SamCoppens

Zakim IRC Bot: +SamCoppens

15:03:19 <GK> Wasn't present last week meeting.

Graham Klyne: Wasn't present last week meeting.

15:03:21 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

15:03:23 <dgarijo> +0

+0

15:03:35 <khalidBelhajjame> +0

Khalid Belhajjame: +0

15:03:35 <ivan> zakim, code?

Ivan Herman: zakim, code?

15:03:35 <Zakim> the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan

15:03:36 <Luc> RESOLVED: last week's minutes

RESOLVED: last week's minutes

15:03:39 <Paolo> 0 (not present)

Paolo Missier: 0 (not present)

15:03:51 <dgarijo> Luc:a few open actions left

Luc Moreau: a few open actions left

15:03:57 <Zakim> +ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +ivan

15:04:00 <dgarijo> ... Paul -> prov overview document

... Paul -> prov overview document

15:04:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

15:04:14 <dgarijo> ... another one for Graham. Is it done (about PAQ).

... another one for Graham. Is it done (about PAQ).

15:04:25 <TomDN> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Tom De Nies: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:04:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc, GK, [IPcaller], dgarijo, +1.818.731.aacc, jcheney, christine, SamCoppens, ivan, [IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Luc, GK, [IPcaller], dgarijo, +1.818.731.aacc, jcheney, christine, SamCoppens, ivan, [IPcaller.a]

15:04:34 <Luc> actuib0-166?

Luc Moreau: actuib0-166?

15:04:39 <GK> Looking...

Graham Klyne: Looking...

15:04:40 <Luc> action-166?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-166?

15:04:40 <trackbot> ACTION-166 -- Graham Klyne to add a bit of text explaining the inconsistency between html/rdf and http -- due 2013-03-21 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-166 -- Graham Klyne to add a bit of text explaining the inconsistency between html/rdf and http -- due 2013-03-21 -- OPEN

15:04:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/166

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/166

15:04:44 <TomDN> Zakim, tomDN is with SamCoppens

Tom De Nies: Zakim, tomDN is with SamCoppens

15:04:44 <Zakim> +tomDN; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tomDN; got it

15:04:51 <GK> Yes, did it.

Graham Klyne: Yes, did it.

15:04:58 <TomDN> Zakim, tomDN is me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, tomDN is me

15:04:58 <Zakim> sorry, TomDN, I do not recognize a party named 'tomDN'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, TomDN, I do not recognize a party named 'tomDN'

15:05:01 <dgarijo> GK: (can't understand).

Graham Klyne: (can't understand).

15:05:08 <GK> I'm going to re-connect

Graham Klyne: I'm going to re-connect

15:05:10 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me

15:05:10 <Zakim> sorry, TomDN, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, TomDN, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

15:05:12 <Zakim> -GK

Zakim IRC Bot: -GK

15:05:22 <TomDN> Zakim, TomDN is with SamCoppens

Tom De Nies: Zakim, TomDN is with SamCoppens

15:05:22 <Zakim> tomDN was already listed in SamCoppens, TomDN

Zakim IRC Bot: tomDN was already listed in SamCoppens, TomDN

15:05:41 <Zakim> +??P32

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P32

15:05:47 <dgarijo> Luc: Action to Paul to talk to james about reviewing xml

Luc Moreau: Action to Paul to talk to james about reviewing xml

15:05:51 <smiles> zakim, ??P32 is smiles

Simon Miles: zakim, ??P32 is smiles

15:05:53 <Zakim> +smiles; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +smiles; got it

15:05:59 <Zakim> +??P1

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1

15:06:02 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:06:06 <GK> zakim, ??p1 is me

Graham Klyne: zakim, ??p1 is me

15:06:06 <Zakim> +GK; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it

15:06:37 <dgarijo> jcheney: ran across Henry Thompson, who is willing in principle o take a look, but not sure. Will try to ask other people

James Cheney: ran across Henry Thompson, who is willing in principle o take a look, but not sure. Will try to ask other people

15:06:45 <dgarijo> Luc: Action is now closed.

Luc Moreau: Action is now closed.

15:06:48 <Luc> topic: prov-xml

1. prov-xml

Summary: Feedback was received about the mime-type application. Stephan to draft a response. The issue on JAXB is not resolved yet, but the editors propose to try a solution, and share it with the group early next week. The plan is to have the document ready for internal review by Thursday (04/04).

<luc>Summary: Feedback was received about the mime-type application. Stephan to draft a response.  The issue on JAXB is not resolved yet, but the editors propose to try a solution, and share it with the group early next week. The plan is to have the document ready for internal review by Thursday (04/04).
15:06:50 <dgarijo> ... PROV-XML

... PROV-XML

15:07:07 <dgarijo> ... we had a few issues. The first one is about the media type

... we had a few issues. The first one is about the media type

15:07:21 <dgarijo> ... we have received some feedback this morning

... we have received some feedback this morning

15:07:33 <dgarijo> ... stephan, have you had a chance to look at it?

... stephan, have you had a chance to look at it?

15:07:54 <dgarijo> zednik:will read it and provide a response before the end of the day

Stephan Zednik: will read it and provide a response before the end of the day

15:08:12 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:08:25 <dgarijo> Luc: next item is the jaxb issue

Luc Moreau: next item is the jaxb issue

15:08:53 <dgarijo> hook: we may have a potential candidate solution.

Hook Hua: we may have a potential candidate solution.

15:09:27 <dgarijo> ... it may be depending the jaxb implementation.

... it may be depending the jaxb implementation.

15:10:44 <Luc> zakim, who is noisy?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is noisy?

15:10:50 <dgarijo> ... One possible solution is to remove the sequence inside to ??? (I'm getting a lot of noise).

... One possible solution is to remove the sequence inside to ??? (I'm getting a lot of noise).

15:10:55 <Zakim> Luc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (8%), GK (18%), +1.818.731.aacc (94%), ivan (43%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Luc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (8%), GK (18%), +1.818.731.aacc (94%), ivan (43%)

15:11:09 <GK> That\'s odd - I'm muted.

Graham Klyne: That\'s odd - I'm muted.

15:11:18 <GK> Reconnecting again.

Graham Klyne: Reconnecting again.

15:11:21 <Zakim> -GK

Zakim IRC Bot: -GK

15:11:23 <ivan> I muted myself

Ivan Herman: I muted myself

15:11:26 <ivan> is it better?

Ivan Herman: is it better?

15:11:29 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo

15:12:00 <Zakim> +??P1

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1

15:12:08 <GK> zakim, ??p1 is me

Graham Klyne: zakim, ??p1 is me

15:12:08 <Zakim> +GK; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it

15:12:17 <dgarijo> Luc: what is the timetable, was it today? How are you planning to move towards a decission.

Luc Moreau: what is the timetable, was it today? How are you planning to move towards a decission.

15:12:26 <zednik> q+

Stephan Zednik: q+

15:12:59 <Luc> ack z

Luc Moreau: ack z

15:13:02 <dgarijo> hook: we may need to get some confirmation. The possible solution requires one edit, but that will be the only change (adding the document bundling class).

Hook Hua: we may need to get some confirmation. The possible solution requires one edit, but that will be the only change (adding the document bundling class).

15:13:10 <Zakim> +CraigTrim

Zakim IRC Bot: +CraigTrim

15:13:48 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/WorkplanTillFinalPublication

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/WorkplanTillFinalPublication

15:13:55 <dgarijo> zednik: We are going to add a level of indirection to the xml serialization. I was not aware that we were going to release something today.

Stephan Zednik: We are going to add a level of indirection to the xml serialization. I was not aware that we were going to release something today.

15:14:41 <dgarijo> Luc: somebody said that in the current timetable. If that's not the case then we should correct it. This will be the final internal review.

Luc Moreau: somebody said that in the current timetable. If that's not the case then we should correct it. This will be the final internal review.

15:14:49 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:15:05 <dgarijo> Luc: when could we hope to have a proposal to the group.

Luc Moreau: when could we hope to have a proposal to the group.

15:15:08 <dgarijo> ... ?

... ?

15:15:27 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:16:26 <dgarijo> hook: it will be a very small edit change. It can be done shortly after we get confirmation to the solution.

Hook Hua: it will be a very small edit change. It can be done shortly after we get confirmation to the solution.

15:16:37 <dgarijo> zednik: by next thursday would be good?

Stephan Zednik: by next thursday would be good?

15:16:52 <dgarijo> Luc: we need to have the document staged by the 23 of April.

Luc Moreau: we need to have the document staged by the 23 of April.

15:17:23 <dgarijo> ... If there is a vote on the 4th and a release on the 11th then we are tight on time.

... If there is a vote on the 4th and a release on the 11th then we are tight on time.

15:17:37 <dgarijo> zednik: ok, we will have it by tuesday.

Stephan Zednik: ok, we will have it by tuesday.

15:17:39 <dgarijo> Luc: ok

Luc Moreau: ok

15:18:07 <dgarijo> ... the we don't need to set up reviewers yet.

... the we don't need to set up reviewers yet.

15:18:16 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:18:17 <dgarijo> zednik: ok. I'll stage the document as well.

Stephan Zednik: ok. I'll stage the document as well.

15:18:21 <dgarijo> Luc: thanks.

Luc Moreau: thanks.

15:18:27 <Luc> topic: prov-aq

2. prov-aq

Summary: Document is out for review. Stian and Sam will review the document. Any other volunteer? Reviews due by next call on (04/04).

<luc>Summary: Document is out for review. Stian and Sam will review the document. Any other volunteer?  Reviews due by next call on (04/04).
15:18:41 <dgarijo> Luc: Is the doc ready for review?

Luc Moreau: Is the doc ready for review?

15:18:54 <GK> Yes, dpocument is ready

Graham Klyne: Yes, dpocument is ready

15:19:00 <dgarijo> GK: I'll write down my responses

Graham Klyne: I'll write down my responses

15:19:03 <GK> See http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/5

Graham Klyne: See http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/5

15:19:18 <TomDN> Sam volunteers

Tom De Nies: Sam volunteers

15:19:24 <dgarijo> Luc: reviewers for PROV-AQ?

Luc Moreau: reviewers for PROV-AQ?

15:20:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.aa]

15:20:08 <dgarijo> Luc: it would be nice to have Tim's input as well.

Luc Moreau: it would be nice to have Tim's input as well.

15:20:16 <stain> Zakim, IPcaller.aa is me

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, IPcaller.aa is me

15:20:16 <Zakim> +stain; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +stain; got it

15:20:31 <TomDN> (I'll take a look at it as well, but will integrate my comments in Sam's review)

Tom De Nies: (I'll take a look at it as well, but will integrate my comments in Sam's review)

15:20:35 <dgarijo> Luc: stian?

Luc Moreau: stian?

15:20:58 <dgarijo> stain: ok, I'll do a quick one

Stian Soiland-Reyes: ok, I'll do a quick one

15:21:06 <stain> log that Stian won't do an evil review this time

Stian Soiland-Reyes: log that Stian won't do an evil review this time

15:21:17 <dgarijo> :D

:D

15:21:21 <GK> For reviewers, the comments in the tracker may help you locate the chamnges

Graham Klyne: For reviewers, the comments in the tracker may help you locate the chamnges

15:21:30 <dgarijo> Luc: anything else?

Luc Moreau: anything else?

15:21:38 <GK> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/5

Graham Klyne: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/5

15:21:48 <GK> Also change log in document.

Graham Klyne: Also change log in document.

15:22:02 <dgarijo> ... the intent is that we'd like to have the reviews complete by the 4th of April.

... the intent is that we'd like to have the reviews complete by the 4th of April.

15:22:06 <GK> Mercurial can provide diffs if required.

Graham Klyne: Mercurial can provide diffs if required.

15:22:08 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:22:22 <dgarijo> Luc: prov-primer

Luc Moreau: prov-primer

15:22:24 <Luc> topic: prov-primer

3. prov-primer

Summary: Editors are still making a few changes. Document is planned to be out tomorrow. Paul and Craig to review prov-primer. Any other volunteer? Reviews due by the next teleconference (04/04).

<luc>Summary: Editors are still making a few changes. Document is planned to be out tomorrow. Paul and Craig to review prov-primer.  Any other volunteer? Reviews due by the next teleconference (04/04).
15:22:46 <dgarijo> Luc: status?

Luc Moreau: status?

15:23:04 <dgarijo> smiles: I thiyght that it was going to be easy, but I'm struggling a bit.

Simon Miles: I thiyght that it was going to be easy, but I'm struggling a bit.

15:23:18 <dgarijo> r/thiyght/thought

r/thiyght/thought

15:23:27 <dgarijo> ... I'm aiming to finish tomorrow

... I'm aiming to finish tomorrow

15:23:29 <dgarijo> Luc: ok

Luc Moreau: ok

15:23:43 <dgarijo> ... will the document be staged tomorrow?

... will the document be staged tomorrow?

15:23:49 <dgarijo> smiles: I don't know.

Simon Miles: I don't know.

15:24:00 <dgarijo> ... working as fast as I can

... working as fast as I can

15:24:23 <dgarijo> Luc: ok, as soon as you can stage the document

Luc Moreau: ok, as soon as you can stage the document

15:24:30 <dgarijo> smiles: sure.

Simon Miles: sure.

15:24:59 <stain> zakim, who is noisy?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: zakim, who is noisy?

15:25:09 <dgarijo> I can have a look at the primer

I can have a look at the primer

15:25:10 <Zakim> stain, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

Zakim IRC Bot: stain, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

15:25:22 <stain> zakim, who is noisy?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: zakim, who is noisy?

15:25:33 <Zakim> stain, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (36%), smiles (91%)

Zakim IRC Bot: stain, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (36%), smiles (91%)

15:26:02 <dgarijo> smiles: influence relationship. Should that be included in the primer?

Simon Miles: influence relationship. Should that be included in the primer?

15:26:13 <Luc> +1

Luc Moreau: +1

15:26:20 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:26:51 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:27:27 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:27:30 <dgarijo> smiles: I have the feeling that it might not be that important. Is there any objection to include bundles and collections?

Simon Miles: I have the feeling that it might not be that important. Is there any objection to include bundles and collections?

15:27:31 <stain> +1 - it could also be used for "other provenance" we don't quite cover - like I've used wasInfluencedBy as a superproperty of purl.org/pav/html#http://purl.org/pav/sourceAccessedAt

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 - it could also be used for "other provenance" we don't quite cover - like I've used wasInfluencedBy as a superproperty of purl.org/pav/html#http://purl.org/pav/sourceAccessedAt

15:28:01 <dgarijo> Luc: you can include a small section for provenance of provenance.

Luc Moreau: you can include a small section for provenance of provenance.

15:28:06 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:28:13 <Luc> ack Luc

Luc Moreau: ack Luc

15:28:20 <dgarijo> +1 for provenance of provenance section

+1 for provenance of provenance section

15:28:40 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/WorkplanTillFinalPublication

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/WorkplanTillFinalPublication

15:28:44 <dgarijo> Luc: Simon, please update the timetable.

Luc Moreau: Simon, please update the timetable.

15:29:24 <dgarijo> smiles: sure. The timetable should be left as it is.

Simon Miles: sure. The timetable should be left as it is.

15:29:32 <Luc> topic: prov-dc

4. prov-dc

Summary: Daniel to finalize the document by tomorrow. Paul and Simon to review. Any other volunteer? Reviews due by the next teleconference (04/04(.

<luc>Summary: Daniel to finalize the document by tomorrow. Paul and Simon to review. Any other volunteer? Reviews due by the next teleconference (04/04(.
15:29:34 <pgroth> i'm not on the call

Paul Groth: i'm not on the call

15:29:39 <pgroth> but will follow irc

Paul Groth: but will follow irc

15:31:39 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:32:06 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:32:23 <stain> I can volunteer as I've been doing something similar mapping with dcterms recently

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I can volunteer as I've been doing something similar mapping with dcterms recently

15:32:40 <pgroth> i'm already going to read it

Paul Groth: i'm already going to read it

15:32:47 <stain> what is the deadline for the review?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: what is the deadline for the review?

15:32:49 <pgroth> assuming we're talking about prov-dc

Paul Groth: assuming we're talking about prov-dc

15:32:58 <stain> and the URI for what to review

Stian Soiland-Reyes: and the URI for what to review

15:33:05 <stain> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dc-note/dc-note.html ?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dc-note/dc-note.html ?

15:33:34 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:33:37 <dgarijo> Paul and Stian will review prov-dc

Paul and Stian will review prov-dc

15:33:45 <Luc> topic: prov-dictionary

5. prov-dictionary

Summary: Sam and Tom finalizing the document. It should be ready tomorrow. Simon and Luc to review the document. Any other volunteer? Reviews due by next teleconference.

<luc>Summary: Sam and Tom finalizing the document. It should be ready tomorrow.  Simon and Luc to review the document.  Any other volunteer? Reviews due by next teleconference.
15:33:47 <dgarijo> dgarijo: 2 issues remain to be added to tghe document: 1- finish the dc:references debate. 2) add something about prov:hasProvenance.

Daniel Garijo: 2 issues remain to be added to tghe document: 1- finish the dc:references debate. 2) add something about prov:hasProvenance.

15:34:00 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/WorkplanTillFinalPublication

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/WorkplanTillFinalPublication

15:34:03 <dgarijo> Reviews complete by: 2013-04-04

Reviews complete by: 2013-04-04

15:34:20 <dgarijo> dgarijo: Will finish and stage the document tomorrow for internal reviw.

Daniel Garijo: Will finish and stage the document tomorrow for internal reviw.

15:34:21 <TomDN> https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/19

Tom De Nies: https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/19

15:35:02 <dgarijo> Tom: we are running a bit behind but it will be done by the end of today/tomorrow morning.

Tom De Nies: we are running a bit behind but it will be done by the end of today/tomorrow morning.

15:35:16 <stain> dgarijo, is it just the default/dc-note/dc-note.html in mercurial?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: dgarijo, is it just the default/dc-note/dc-note.html in mercurial?

15:35:31 <dgarijo> @stian: yes.

@stian: yes.

15:35:34 <stain> great

Stian Soiland-Reyes: great

15:36:01 <TomDN> changed prov:KeyValuePair to prov:KeyEntityPair; prov:keyValuePair to prov:keyEntityPair; prov:pairValue to prov:pairEntity.

Tom De Nies: changed prov:KeyValuePair to prov:KeyEntityPair; prov:keyValuePair to prov:keyEntityPair; prov:pairValue to prov:pairEntity.

15:36:04 <dgarijo> Tom: I have done a little change to key entity pair in order to make it less ambiguous.

Tom De Nies: I have done a little change to key entity pair in order to make it less ambiguous.

15:36:34 <dgarijo> ... makes things a lot more consistent

... makes things a lot more consistent

15:36:44 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:36:44 <Luc> +1 to this change

Luc Moreau: +1 to this change

15:36:52 <dgarijo> ... if there are objections I can change it back

... if there are objections I can change it back

15:36:53 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:37:22 <Luc> ack L

Luc Moreau: ack L

15:37:24 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.818.731.aacc

15:37:56 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:38:00 <dgarijo> Tom: we don't want to touch the definition of influence, so the proposal is to leave things as they are.

Tom De Nies: we don't want to touch the definition of influence, so the proposal is to leave things as they are.

15:38:09 <dgarijo> Luc: what is the implication for the owl file?

Luc Moreau: what is the implication for the owl file?

15:38:15 <pgroth> +1 for not touching influence

Paul Groth: +1 for not touching influence

15:38:23 <dgarijo> Tom: it still needs to be updated. And the xml schema.

Tom De Nies: it still needs to be updated. And the xml schema.

15:38:51 <dgarijo> Luc: once you've completed the doc it will be fine to inform Tim and Stephan about the latest changes

Luc Moreau: once you've completed the doc it will be fine to inform Tim and Stephan about the latest changes

15:39:21 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:39:26 <dgarijo> Luc: we had identified some reviewer: Luc, Simon. Anybody else?

Luc Moreau: we had identified some reviewer: Luc, Simon. Anybody else?

15:40:03 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:40:06 <dgarijo> ... the reviews are due by next week.

... the reviews are due by next week.

15:40:10 <dgarijo> ... anything else?

... anything else?

15:40:13 <Luc> topic: prov-overview

6. prov-overview

Summary: Suggestions were due by today. Document will be ready for review at the next teleconference.

<luc>Summary: Suggestions were due by today. Document will be ready for review at the next teleconference.
15:40:44 <pgroth> suggestions due today

Paul Groth: suggestions due today

15:40:57 <dgarijo> Luc: There was a call for suggestions and the deadline was today. Paul was going to produce the next version for next week

Luc Moreau: There was a call for suggestions and the deadline was today. Paul was going to produce the next version for next week

15:41:03 <Luc> document ready for review next week?

Luc Moreau: document ready for review next week?

15:41:09 <pgroth> I had some from Tim, Graham, and also outside

Paul Groth: I had some from Tim, Graham, and also outside

15:41:16 <pgroth> it will be ready for review next week

Paul Groth: it will be ready for review next week

15:41:17 <pgroth> yes

Paul Groth: yes

15:41:26 <Luc> thanks

Luc Moreau: thanks

15:41:48 <dgarijo> We have craig also. Anybody else?

We have craig also. Anybody else?

15:41:58 <pgroth> it's not long :-)

Paul Groth: it's not long :-)

15:42:11 <dgarijo> Ivan, it would be nice if you could have a look with your w3c hat.

Ivan, it would be nice if you could have a look with your w3c hat.

15:42:26 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:42:32 <dgarijo> Ivan: I have to go to China, I don't think I'll be able.

Ivan Herman: I have to go to China, I don't think I'll be able.

15:42:42 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:42:58 <dgarijo> ... if the doc is ready at the beggining of next week, I'll do it.

... if the doc is ready at the beggining of next week, I'll do it.

15:43:08 <pgroth> ok

Paul Groth: ok

15:43:11 <TomDN> (Small note on prov-dictionary: there is a small change in the prov-n grammar: the production rules keyValuePairs and keyValuePair changed to keyEntityPairs and keyEntityPair. Will update the grammar file and notify Luc, sorry)

Tom De Nies: (Small note on prov-dictionary: there is a small change in the prov-n grammar: the production rules keyValuePairs and keyValuePair changed to keyEntityPairs and keyEntityPair. Will update the grammar file and notify Luc, sorry)

15:43:14 <pgroth> i'll try and make sure it's up-to-date

Paul Groth: i'll try and make sure it's up-to-date

15:43:18 <pgroth> before then

Paul Groth: before then

15:43:20 <Luc> topic: prov-links

Summary: Document is out for review. Simon and Tom will review it, Graham just completed a review. Any other volunteer? Reviews due in by next teleconference on 04/04.

<luc>Summary: Document is out for review. Simon and Tom will review it, Graham just completed a review. Any other volunteer? Reviews due in by next teleconference on 04/04.
15:43:29 <dgarijo> Luc: PROV-Links is ready for review.

Luc Moreau: PROV-Links is ready for review.

15:43:45 <smiles> Yes

Simon Miles: Yes

15:43:46 <GK> I just sent a brief review of prov-links to the mailing list

Graham Klyne: I just sent a brief review of prov-links to the mailing list

15:43:53 <dgarijo> ... I sent an email earlier today. smiles had volunteeres. Is it still the case?

... I sent an email earlier today. smiles had volunteeres. Is it still the case?

15:43:59 <TomDN> I volunteer for prov-links as well

Tom De Nies: I volunteer for prov-links as well

15:44:00 <GK> (Just now!)

Graham Klyne: (Just now!)

15:44:06 <dgarijo> ...anybody else'

...anybody else'

15:44:10 <dgarijo> ...?

...?

15:44:36 <dgarijo> Tom, Simon and Graham will review prov-links.

Tom, Simon and Graham will review prov-links.

15:44:39 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:44:47 <smiles> q+

Simon Miles: q+

15:44:54 <dgarijo> Do any editors want to bring any issues ?

Do any editors want to bring any issues ?

15:45:03 <Luc> ack sm

Luc Moreau: ack sm

15:45:58 <dgarijo> smiles: section about collections and bundles to the primer. My concern is about prov-o examples. There is no "official" way.

Simon Miles: section about collections and bundles to the primer. My concern is about prov-o examples. There is no "official" way.

15:45:58 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:45:58 <stain> that sounds like the most obvious way to do it

Stian Soiland-Reyes: that sounds like the most obvious way to do it

15:46:04 <stain> q+

Stian Soiland-Reyes: q+

15:46:15 <Luc> ack st

Luc Moreau: ack st

15:46:20 <GK> (I'm checking what PROV-AQ says here - I think it's compatible)

Graham Klyne: (I'm checking what PROV-AQ says here - I think it's compatible)

15:46:43 <Zakim> -CraigTrim

Zakim IRC Bot: -CraigTrim

15:46:54 <dgarijo> stian: yes, prov-o examples are fine. But it's not the only way.

Stian Soiland-Reyes: yes, prov-o examples are fine. But it's not the only way.

15:46:58 <stain> for instance when using SPARQL it would make more sense to do them as named graphs

Stian Soiland-Reyes: for instance when using SPARQL it would make more sense to do them as named graphs

15:47:10 <smiles> yes thanks

Simon Miles: yes thanks

15:47:21 <dgarijo> Luc: are you fine with this?

Luc Moreau: are you fine with this?

15:47:24 <dgarijo> smiles: yes

Simon Miles: yes

15:47:27 <Luc> topic: Updates to FAQ / posts / other

8. Updates to FAQ / posts / other

Summary: We spent some time reminding group members to get their Ac Rep to vote for prov recommendations. Stian, Daniel and Paolo drafted some blogs. Paul is happy to post them (or a link to them) on the W3C Semantic Web blog. Daniel made a suggestion for the FAQ entry. Membership invited to think about good topics to add to the FAQ.

<luc>Summary: We spent some time reminding group members to get their Ac Rep to vote for prov recommendations. Stian, Daniel and Paolo drafted some blogs. Paul is happy to post them (or a link to them) on the W3C Semantic Web blog.  Daniel made a suggestion for the FAQ entry. Membership invited to think about good topics to add to the FAQ.
15:47:28 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:47:52 <dgarijo> Luc: stian, were you preparing a blog post?

Luc Moreau: stian, were you preparing a blog post?

15:47:53 <GK> Confirm no disagreement with note in PROV-AQ (re bundles in primer discussion)

Graham Klyne: Confirm no disagreement with note in PROV-AQ (re bundles in primer discussion)

15:48:04 <dgarijo> stian: yes, it's a bit long.

Stian Soiland-Reyes: yes, it's a bit long.

15:48:14 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:48:29 <dgarijo> ... I can post it in my blog and then referr from the w3c blog

... I can post it in my blog and then referr from the w3c blog

15:48:33 <dgarijo> Luc: up to you

Luc Moreau: up to you

15:48:38 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:48:46 <Luc> zakim, who is noisy

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is noisy

15:48:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is noisy', Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is noisy', Luc

15:48:48 <Luc> zakim, who is noisy?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is noisy?

15:48:59 <Zakim> Luc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: smiles (60%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Luc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: smiles (60%)

15:49:07 <dgarijo> ivan: we have slightly more than 2 weeks to take all the votes together.

Ivan Herman: we have slightly more than 2 weeks to take all the votes together.

15:49:11 <ivan> iMinds, Apple, VU, NASA, Newcastle Univ, OpenLink, IBM, Pacific Northwest, Wright Univ, INRIA

Ivan Herman: iMinds, Apple, VU, NASA, Newcastle Univ, OpenLink, IBM, Pacific Northwest, Wright Univ, INRIA

15:49:22 <dgarijo> ... large nubmer of members that have not voted.

... large nubmer of members that have not voted.

15:49:29 <Luc> I am talking to my acrep!

Luc Moreau: I am talking to my acrep!

15:49:40 <dgarijo> @ivan: UPM has voted.

@ivan: UPM has voted.

15:49:47 <GK> Hmmm… I did ask our AC rep (Oxford)

Graham Klyne: Hmmm… I did ask our AC rep (Oxford)

15:50:06 <Luc> @tallted, last week you said you would talk to your acrep?

Luc Moreau: @tallted, last week you said you would talk to your acrep?

15:50:14 <dgarijo> ... there are a number of companies that they are not anymore here.

... there are a number of companies that they are not anymore here.

15:50:29 <dgarijo> ivan: yes, UPM has voted.

Ivan Herman: yes, UPM has voted.

15:50:56 <dgarijo> ... we have to get emails to the missing persons in the group and their acrep.

... we have to get emails to the missing persons in the group and their acrep.

15:50:59 <GK> @Ivan, only AC rep can vote?  Or can we as members do it?

Graham Klyne: @Ivan, only AC rep can vote? Or can we as members do it?

15:51:28 <dgarijo> Luc: we have already contacted all members individually, last week.

Luc Moreau: we have already contacted all members individually, last week.

15:51:33 <stain> 9 days ago I got the reminder from Luc

Stian Soiland-Reyes: 9 days ago I got the reminder from Luc

15:51:55 <dgarijo> ivan: do you have the list with the AC rep?

Ivan Herman: do you have the list with the AC rep?

15:52:07 <dgarijo> Luc: very few of them responded to me directly.

Luc Moreau: very few of them responded to me directly.

15:52:22 <dgarijo> ivan: some of them are here.

Ivan Herman: some of them are here.

15:52:52 <dgarijo> ivan: Edinbourgh? Manchester?

Ivan Herman: Edinbourgh? Manchester?

15:52:59 <dgarijo> ... those are here.

... those are here.

15:53:03 <stain> I have just reminded my Manchester contact again, but he's been on holiday this week

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I have just reminded my Manchester contact again, but he's been on holiday this week

15:53:28 <dgarijo> ivan: how do you want to handle that? WHat is the best to do it?

Ivan Herman: how do you want to handle that? WHat is the best to do it?

15:53:43 <dgarijo> Luc: Ted said he would talk to his acrep. Ted?

Luc Moreau: Ted said he would talk to his acrep. Ted?

15:53:58 <pgroth> open link already voted ?

Paul Groth: open link already voted ?

15:54:05 <dgarijo> ivan: at some point in time we have to contact the acreps

Ivan Herman: at some point in time we have to contact the acreps

15:54:58 <dgarijo> ... I don't want to contact the acreps again. If I have the list of those acreps that don't have an active member, I can contact them

... I don't want to contact the acreps again. If I have the list of those acreps that don't have an active member, I can contact them

15:55:04 <christine> apologies - moving to next call - thank you Luc, all

Christine Runnegar: apologies - moving to next call - thank you Luc, all

15:55:10 <stain> 2013-04-09 23:59 boston time

Stian Soiland-Reyes: 2013-04-09 23:59 boston time

15:55:16 <Zakim> -christine

Zakim IRC Bot: -christine

15:55:23 <dgarijo> ...^^deadline for votes

...^^deadline for votes

15:55:37 <dgarijo> ... next thursday is sort of ok.

... next thursday is sort of ok.

15:56:04 <dgarijo> Luc: thx for bringing that up

Luc Moreau: thx for bringing that up

15:56:15 <GK> I've just sent a chasing email to our AC Rep.

Graham Klyne: I've just sent a chasing email to our AC Rep.

15:56:44 <Luc> action pgroth to post daniel'post

Luc Moreau: action pgroth to post daniel'post

15:56:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-169 - Post daniel'post [on Paul Groth - due 2013-04-04].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-169 - Post daniel'post [on Paul Groth - due 2013-04-04].

15:56:51 <satya> Daniel has sent blog post to Paul

Satya Sahoo: Daniel has sent blog post to Paul

15:57:11 <dgarijo> Luc: many people have given tutorials.

Luc Moreau: many people have given tutorials.

15:57:36 <dgarijo> Paolo: I how do I do it?

Paolo Missier: I how do I do it?

15:57:38 <pgroth> will do

Paul Groth: will do

15:57:48 <pgroth> paolo: you can send the blog post to me

Paolo Missier: you can send the blog post to me [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ]

15:58:14 <Luc> zakim, mute ivan

Luc Moreau: zakim, mute ivan

15:58:14 <Zakim> ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ivan should now be muted

15:58:16 <Paolo> @pgroth I did send it earlier today

Paolo Missier: @pgroth I did send it earlier today

15:58:19 <dgarijo> Luc: send the tutorials to Paul

Luc Moreau: send the tutorials to Paul

15:58:22 <Paolo> will send a slightly revised version

Paolo Missier: will send a slightly revised version

15:58:42 <pgroth> cool

Paul Groth: cool

15:58:51 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV-FAQ

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV-FAQ

15:58:53 <dgarijo> Luc: FAQ brainstorm

Luc Moreau: FAQ brainstorm

15:59:02 <dgarijo> ... what do we want to add?

... what do we want to add?

15:59:03 <dgarijo> +q

+q

15:59:16 <dgarijo> who is going to add it?

who is going to add it?

15:59:25 <Zakim> -smiles

Zakim IRC Bot: -smiles

15:59:37 <Luc> zakim, unmute ivan

Luc Moreau: zakim, unmute ivan

15:59:37 <Zakim> ivan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ivan should no longer be muted

15:59:50 <Luc> zakim, mute ivan

Luc Moreau: zakim, mute ivan

15:59:50 <Zakim> ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ivan should now be muted

15:59:58 <Luc> ack iv

Luc Moreau: ack iv

16:00:13 <Luc> zakim, mute ivan

Luc Moreau: zakim, mute ivan

16:00:13 <Zakim> ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ivan should now be muted

16:00:35 <Paolo> need to go...

Paolo Missier: need to go...

16:00:39 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

16:00:52 <Luc> action dgarijo to draft blog post on provenance as rdfa in html documents

Luc Moreau: action dgarijo to draft blog post on provenance as rdfa in html documents

16:00:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-170 - Draft blog post on provenance as rdfa in html documents [on Daniel Garijo - due 2013-04-04].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-170 - Draft blog post on provenance as rdfa in html documents [on Daniel Garijo - due 2013-04-04].

16:00:53 <dgarijo> dgarijo: draft blog post on rdf-a and PROV.

Daniel Garijo: draft blog post on rdf-a and PROV.

16:01:17 <pgroth> @daniel, I can help with this

Paul Groth: @daniel, I can help with this

16:01:18 <dgarijo> Luc: If you think on something, could you circulate it to the list?

Luc Moreau: If you think on something, could you circulate it to the list?

16:01:24 <dgarijo> @paul: thanks

@paul: thanks

16:01:27 <Zakim> -ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -ivan

16:01:27 <dgarijo> Luc goodbye

Luc goodbye

16:01:30 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo

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16:01:33 <Zakim> -jcheney

Zakim IRC Bot: -jcheney

16:01:34 <Zakim> -dgarijo

Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo

16:01:36 <GK> Bye

Graham Klyne: Bye

16:01:40 <Zakim> -Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc

16:01:41 <Zakim> -GK

Zakim IRC Bot: -GK

16:01:47 <Zakim> -SamCoppens

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16:03:55 <Zakim> -stain

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