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Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 28 February 2013

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.28
Seen
Craig Trim, Curt Tilmes, Daniel Garijo, Graham Klyne, Hook Hua, Ivan Herman, James Cheney, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Paolo Missier, Paul Groth, Sam Coppens, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Stian Soiland-Reyes, Ted Thibodeau, Tom De Nies, Trung Huynh
Regrets
Luc Moreau, Stephan Zednik
Chair
Paul Groth
Scribe
Curt Tilmes
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of Feb 21, 2013 telcon link
  2. to publhash prov-dc as a WD Note. link
  3. to publhash prov-sem as a first public working draft link
  4. to publish prov-xml as a working draft note link
  5. release prov-aq as a working draft if there are no objections by Monday March 4, 2013 link
  6. to publish prov-primer, prov-overview, prov- links as working drafts link
Topics
  1. Admin

    Minutes were approved

  2. PR update

    the group was informed about the date of the proposed recommendation director's call. Also, the group was informed that the prov:hasProvenance relation was changed to prov:has_provenance in order to be more compatibly with the link header specifications.

  3. wasQuotedFrom

    There was no objection to Simon's response to a public comment on wasQuotedFrom in the primer.

  4. Notes

    The group was informed of the need to stage all notes by March 5 for publication March 12.

    1. prov-dc

      All reviewers were positive for release and minor hassues were address. The group agreed to publhash prov-dc as working draft note. In addition, the editors will let the DC community know about thhas working draft for review.

    2. prov-sem

      The group agree to publhash prov-sem as working draft note.

    3. prov-xml

      A review of the current status of prov-xml was given. The group agreed to publhash prov-xml as a working draft note.

    4. PROV-AQ

      PROV-AQ had just been updated. The group was asked to do a brief rereview by monday if there were any major objections to release as a working draft note.

    5. other notes

15:53:04 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-prov-irc

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15:53:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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15:53:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, thhas will be PROV

15:53:08 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes

15:53:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:53:09 <trackbot> Date: 28 February 2013
15:53:16 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV

Paul Groth: Zakim, thhas will be PROV

15:53:16 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes

15:53:28 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.28
15:53:39 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
15:53:46 <pgroth> Scribe: Curt Tilmes

(Scribe set to Curt Tilmes)

15:53:52 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public

Paul Groth: rrsagent, make logs public

15:54:21 <pgroth> Regrets: Luc Moreau, Stephan Zednik
15:57:14 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

15:57:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:57:33 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Paul Groth: Zakim, [IPcaller] has me

15:57:33 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it

15:57:35 <Zakim> +Curt_Tilmes

Zakim IRC Bot: +Curt_Tilmes

15:57:51 <Zakim> + +1.661.382.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.661.382.aaaa

15:58:02 <Zakim> +??P28

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P28

15:58:04 <ctrim> ctrim: Zakim, aaaa is me

Craig Trim: Zakim, aaaa has me [ Scribe Assist by Craig Trim ]

15:58:11 <ctrim> Zakim, aaaa is me

Craig Trim: Zakim, aaaa has me

15:58:11 <Zakim> +ctrim; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ctrim; got it

15:58:12 <smiles> zakim, ??P28 is me

Simon Miles: zakim, ??P28 has me

15:58:13 <Zakim> +smiles; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +smiles; got it

15:58:31 <Zakim> +??P30

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30

15:58:47 <GK> zakim, ??p30 is me

Graham Klyne: zakim, ??p30 has me

15:58:48 <Zakim> +GK; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it

15:59:45 <stain> stain has changed the topic to: Provenance WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ - http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.28

Stian Soiland-Reyes: stain has changed the topic to: Provenance WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ - http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.28

16:00:00 <stain> (love it when zakim just gives up before asking for the code..)

Stian Soiland-Reyes: (love it when zakim just gives up before asking for the code..)

16:00:11 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

16:00:22 <stain> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, [IPcaller] has me

16:00:22 <Zakim> +stain; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +stain; got it

16:01:12 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

16:01:30 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.818.731.aabb

16:01:53 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

16:02:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

16:02:21 <pgroth> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

Summary: Minutes were approved

<pgroth> Summary: Minutes were approved
16:02:32 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-02-21

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-02-21

16:02:41 <Curt> scribe: Curt
16:02:50 <pgroth> Minutes of Feb 21, 2013

Paul Groth: Minutes of Feb 21, 2013

16:02:54 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

16:02:55 <Curt> +1

+1

16:03:01 <stain> 0 (not there)

Stian Soiland-Reyes: 0 (not there)

16:03:08 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

16:03:12 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

16:03:32 <GK> +1

Graham Klyne: +1

16:03:53 <Zakim> +??P13

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13

16:03:54 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo

16:03:56 <pgroth> accepted: Minutes of Feb 21, 2013 telcon

RESOLVED: Minutes of Feb 21, 2013 telcon

16:04:00 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P13 is me

Daniel Garijo: Zakim, ??P13 has me

16:04:01 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it

16:04:03 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: -Satya_Sahoo

16:04:07 <Zakim> + +44.131.467.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.131.467.aacc

16:04:13 <jcheney> zakim, aacc is me

James Cheney: zakim, aacc has me

16:04:13 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney; got it

16:04:34 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo

16:04:41 <pgroth> Topic: PR update

2. PR update

Summary: the group was informed about the date of the proposed recommendation director's call. Also, the group was informed that the prov:hasProvenance relation was changed to prov:has_provenance in order to be more compatibly with the link header specifications.

<pgroth> Summary: the group was informed about the date of the proposed recommendation director's call. Also, the group was informed that the prov:hasProvenance relation was changed to prov:has_provenance in order to be more compatibly with the link header specifications.
16:04:42 <Curt> pgroth: scribes, need them

Paul Groth: scribes, need them

16:05:06 <Curt> pgroth: director's call for PR coming up

Paul Groth: director's call for PR coming up

16:05:13 <Curt> pgroth: next friday

Paul Groth: next friday

16:05:23 <Curt> pgroth: everything should be staged by then

Paul Groth: everything should be staged by then

16:05:58 <pgroth>-  prov:hasProvenance

Paul Groth: - prov:hasProvenance

16:05:59 <Curt> pgroth: need to update link headers to lowercase for link relations

Paul Groth: need to update link headers to lowercase for link relations

16:06:03 <pgroth> - prov:has_provenance

Paul Groth: - prov:has_provenance

16:06:24 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

16:06:24 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call has being made

16:06:25 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

16:06:47 <Zakim> +TomDN

Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN

16:06:53 <Zakim> +Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc

16:06:59 <pgroth> topic: wasQuotedFrom

3. wasQuotedFrom

Summary: There was no objection to Simon's response to a public comment on wasQuotedFrom in the primer.

<pgroth> Summary: There was no objection to Simon's response to a public comment on wasQuotedFrom in the primer.
16:07:05 <SamCoppens> zakim, TomDN is me

Sam Coppens: zakim, TomDN has me

16:07:05 <pgroth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2013Feb/0289.html

Paul Groth: http://lhasts.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2013Feb/0289.html

16:07:05 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SamCoppens; got it

16:07:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.aa]

16:07:17 <SamCoppens> zakim, mute me

Sam Coppens: zakim, mute me

16:07:17 <Zakim> SamCoppens should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: SamCoppens should now be muted

16:07:45 <Curt> pgroth: reviewer issue with primer description of wasQuotedFrom, proposed response circulated

Paul Groth: reviewer hassue with primer description of wasQuotedFrom, proposed response circulated

16:08:26 <Curt> smiles: changed example to be very clear about the quote relationship

Simon Miles: changed example to be very clear about the quote relationship

16:08:39 <Curt> pgroth: any objections to that response?

Paul Groth: any objections to that response?

16:08:41 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:08:52 <smiles> OK, thanks, will do

Simon Miles: OK, thanks, will do

16:09:03 <Curt> pgroth: smiles should send the response

Paul Groth: smiles should send the response

16:09:10 <pgroth> Topic: Notes

4. Notes

Summary: The group was informed of the need to stage all notes by March 5 for publication March 12.

<pgroth> Summary: The group was informed of the need to stage all notes by March 5 for publication March 12.
16:09:35 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PublicationRequestMarch12

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PublicationRequestMarch12

16:09:53 <Curt> pgroth: All notes should be ready for synchronized release on March 12

Paul Groth: All notes should be ready for synchronized release on March 12

16:10:03 <SamCoppens> zakim, TomDN is with me

Sam Coppens: zakim, TomDN has with me

16:10:03 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN; got it

16:10:27 <Curt> pgroth: need to be sent by March 5 to be ready to publish on March 12

Paul Groth: need to be sent by March 5 to be ready to publhash on March 12

16:10:35 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:10:51 <TomDN> Zakim, TomDN is with SamCoppens

Tom De Nies: Zakim, TomDN has with SamCoppens

16:10:51 <Zakim> TomDN was already listed in SamCoppens, TomDN

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN was already lhasted in SamCoppens, TomDN

16:11:11 <pgroth> subtopic: prov-dc

4.1. prov-dc

Summary: All reviewers were positive for release and minor hassues were address. The group agreed to publhash prov-dc as working draft note. In addition, the editors will let the DC community know about thhas working draft for review.

<pgroth> Summary: All reviewers were positive for release and minor issues were address. The group agreed to publish prov-dc as working draft note. In addition, the editors will let the DC community know about this working draft for review.
16:11:43 <Curt> dgarijo: some small issues will be addressed today or tomorrow

Daniel Garijo: some small hassues will be addressed today or tomorrow

16:11:48 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:12:05 <pgroth> PROPOSED: to publish prov-dc as a WD Note.

PROPOSED: to publhash prov-dc as a WD Note.

16:12:12 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:12:13 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

16:12:13 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

16:12:15 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

16:12:15 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

16:12:20 <Dong> +1

Trung Huynh: +1

16:12:21 <Curt> +1

+1

16:12:23 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

16:12:24 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

16:12:26 <dgarijo> +q

Daniel Garijo: +q

16:12:27 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

16:12:28 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

16:12:39 <GK> (abstain - not reviewed)

Graham Klyne: (abstain - not reviewed)

16:12:59 <Curt> dgarijo: Kai engaged DC people to solicit feedback after release

Daniel Garijo: Kai engaged DC people to solicit feedback after release

16:13:05 <pgroth> accepted:  to publish prov-dc as a WD Note.

RESOLVED: to publhash prov-dc as a WD Note.

16:13:06 <GK> Is this being released as NOTEW or WD?

Graham Klyne: Is thhas being released as NOTEW or WD?

16:13:21 <GK> Ah, thanks.  Then +1

Graham Klyne: Ah, thanks. Then +1

16:13:24 <Curt> pgroth: will be a working draft, not yet a released note

Paul Groth: will be a working draft, not yet a released note

16:13:58 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:14:00 <Curt> pgroth: We will refer the WD to the DC community for their review and for them to recommend as part of DC recommendations

Paul Groth: We will refer the WD to the DC community for their review and for them to recommend as part of DC recommendations

16:14:01 <pgroth> ack dgarijo

Paul Groth: ack dgarijo

16:14:07 <dgarijo> Also, we have to explore the relation between dct:provenance and prov:has_provenance

Daniel Garijo: Also, we have to explore the relation between dct:provenance and prov:has_provenance

16:14:13 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:14:20 <pgroth> subtopic: prov-sem

4.2. prov-sem

Summary: The group agree to publhash prov-sem as working draft note.

<pgroth> Summary: The group agree to publish prov-sem as working draft note.
16:14:36 <TomDN> @Graham: everything is WD-NOTE except PROV-DM, -Constraints, -N and -O I think

Tom De Nies: @Graham: everything has WD-NOTE except PROV-DM, -Constraints, -N and -O I think

16:15:16 <Curt> jcheney: current version has clearly marked places for more work, released monday, some reviews in, waiting for Paolo

James Cheney: current version has clearly marked places for more work, released monday, some reviews in, waiting for Paolo

16:15:41 <Curt> jcheney: general consensus to release WD, some questions remain to resolve

James Cheney: general consensus to release WD, some questions remain to resolve

16:15:41 <satya> @James, Paolo also sent comments on Feb 27

Satya Sahoo: @James, Paolo also sent comments on Feb 27

16:15:58 <GK> @Tom thanks (proposal was originally just NOTE)

Graham Klyne: @Tom thanks (proposal was originally just NOTE)

16:16:09 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:16:15 <Paolo> I  can send them again

Paolo Missier: I can send them again

16:16:26 <pgroth> proposed: to publish prov-sem as a first public working draft

PROPOSED: to publhash prov-sem as a first public working draft

16:16:33 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

16:16:34 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

16:16:37 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

16:16:39 <Curt> +1

+1

16:16:39 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

16:16:39 <khalidBelhajjame> +1 (University of Manchester)

Khalid Belhajjame: +1 (University of Manchester)

16:16:41 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

16:16:41 <pgroth> +1

Paul Groth: +1

16:16:41 <GK> @Tom, or so I thought p- I read "WG Note" ;)

Graham Klyne: @Tom, or so I thought p- I read "WG Note" ;)

16:16:47 <GK> +1

Graham Klyne: +1

16:16:52 <Dong> +1

Trung Huynh: +1

16:17:07 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:17:09 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

16:17:14 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

16:17:19 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

16:17:23 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

16:17:40 <pgroth> accepted: to publish prov-sem as a first public working draft

RESOLVED: to publhash prov-sem as a first public working draft

16:17:41 <jcheney> @Paolo: I found it, no need to resend.

James Cheney: @Paolo: I found it, no need to resend.

16:17:50 <jcheney> thx

James Cheney: thx

16:17:56 <pgroth> subtopic: prov-xml

4.3. prov-xml

Summary: A review of the current status of prov-xml was given. The group agreed to publhash prov-xml as a working draft note.

<pgroth> Summary: A review of the current status of prov-xml was given. The group agreed to publish prov-xml as a working draft note.
16:18:32 <GK> Curt: believes most comments have been addresses

Curt Tilmes: believes most comments have been addresses [ Scribe Assist by Graham Klyne ]

16:18:40 <hook> q+

Hook Hua: q+

16:18:51 <pgroth> ack hook

Paul Groth: ack hook

16:19:06 <GK> … Question about whether qnames have to be qualified … in examples?

Graham Klyne: … Question about whether qnames have to be qualified … in examples?

16:19:17 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:19:33 <Curt> q+

q+

16:19:43 <pgroth> ack curt

Paul Groth: ack curt

16:20:13 <stain> <:fred> is not a valid qname, but <fred> is

Stian Soiland-Reyes: <:fred> has not a valid qname, but <fred> has

16:20:24 <stain> s/is/has/g
16:20:49 <Curt> q+

q+

16:20:54 <pgroth> ack Curt

Paul Groth: ack Curt

16:21:56 <GK> I note that http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/#Conformance defines a notion of namespace-well-formed separately from XML well-formed

Graham Klyne: I note that http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/#Conformance defines a notion of namespace-well-formed separately from XML well-formed

16:21:58 <Curt> It would be fine to go either way, it is a minor issue

It would be fine to go either way, it is a minor issue

16:22:37 <Curt> pgroth: have tim and stain reviewed yet?

Paul Groth: have tim and stain reviewed yet?

16:23:02 <GK> "Namespace constraint: Prefix Declared

Graham Klyne: "Namespace constraint: Prefix Declared

16:23:02 <GK> The namespace prefix, unless it is xml or xmlns, MUST have been declared in a namespace declaration attribute in either the start-tag of the element where the prefix is used or in an ancestor element (i.e., an element in whose http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#dt-content the prefixed markup occurs)."

Graham Klyne: The namespace prefix, unless it is xml or xmlns, MUST have been declared in a namespace declaration attribute in either the start-tag of the element where the prefix is used or in an ancestor element (i.e., an element in whose http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#dt-content the prefixed markup occurs)."

16:23:02 <Curt> stain: I have not yet done so, but I don't think there are major problems

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I have not yet done so, but I don't think there are major problems

16:23:12 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:23:24 <Curt> pgroth: Other issues with PROV-XML?

Paul Groth: Other issues with PROV-XML?

16:23:41 <pgroth> PROPOSED: to publish prov-xml as a working draft note

PROPOSED: to publish prov-xml as a working draft note

16:23:48 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

16:23:49 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

16:23:50 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

16:23:50 <Curt> +1

+1

16:23:52 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:23:55 <GK> +1

Graham Klyne: +1

16:23:56 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

16:23:56 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

16:23:56 <Dong> +1

Trung Huynh: +1

16:23:58 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

16:24:04 <stain> which thread describes this qname issue btw..?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: which thread describes this qname issue btw..?

16:24:35 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

16:24:40 <smiles> +0 (not reviewed)

Simon Miles: +0 (not reviewed)

16:24:43 <pgroth> accepted: to publish prov-xml as a working draft note

RESOLVED: to publish prov-xml as a working draft note

16:24:43 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

16:24:52 <stain> ah, but that would just be the empty namespace if there is none defined. That's a valid qname, but probably does not make much sense in PROV-DM land.

Stian Soiland-Reyes: ah, but that would just be the empty namespace if there is none defined. That's a valid qname, but probably does not make much sense in PROV-DM land.

16:25:11 <Curt> @stain subject "Re: review of prov-xml"

@stain subject "Re: review of prov-xml"

16:25:23 <pgroth> hard to hear you

Paul Groth: hard to hear you

16:25:32 <stain> it's xmlns=""

Stian Soiland-Reyes: it's xmlns=""

16:25:41 <TomDN> we get about 2 words per sentence

Tom De Nies: we get about 2 words per sentence

16:25:49 <stain> it breaks out as if there's auto-mute

Stian Soiland-Reyes: it breaks out as if there's auto-mute

<pgroth> subtopic: PROV-AQ

4.4. PROV-AQ

Summary: PROV-AQ had just been updated. The group was asked to do a brief rereview by monday if there were any major objections to release as a working draft note.

<pgroth> Summary: PROV-AQ had just been updated. The group was asked to do a brief rereview by monday if there were any major objections to release as a working draft note.
16:27:02 <Curt> GK: PROV-AQ has mostly editorial work, 2 major issues: service description, a property relating to the service document

Graham Klyne: PROV-AQ has mostly editorial work, 2 major issues: service description, a property relating to the service document

16:27:24 <Curt> GK: a change to the ping back specification, discussed, changes being documented in the WD

Graham Klyne: a change to the ping back specification, discussed, changes being documented in the WD

16:27:50 <Curt> GK: ping back is really another discovery mechanism for provenance

Graham Klyne: ping back is really another discovery mechanism for provenance

16:28:14 <Curt> GK: change target uri to entity uri, changing back to target uri, fundamentally editorial, but pervasive

Graham Klyne: change target uri to entity uri, changing back to target uri, fundamentally editorial, but pervasive

16:29:47 <Curt> pgroth: We have already voted to release PROV-AQ as a working draft, but there was an objection by stain, but that has now been addressed

Paul Groth: We have already voted to release PROV-AQ as a working draft, but there was an objection by stain, but that has now been addressed

16:30:10 <Curt> pgroth: By Monday, people who did review it, take a final look for blockers to releasing as a WD

Paul Groth: By Monday, people who did review it, take a final look for blockers to releasing as a WD

16:30:29 <Curt> pgroth: If there are no objections, will release as a WD

Paul Groth: If there are no objections, will release as a WD

16:30:58 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:31:00 <GK> BTW, I've one more thing to do: update the revision log (copied from mercurial log) - but that shouldn't affect reviews

Graham Klyne: BTW, I've one more thing to do: update the revision log (copied from mercurial log) - but that shouldn't affect reviews

16:31:12 <stain> what does "by Monday" mean in clock sense?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: what does "by Monday" mean in clock sense?

16:31:12 <pgroth> proposed: release prov-aq as a working draft if there are no objections by Monday March 4, 2013

PROPOSED: release prov-aq as a working draft if there are no objections by Monday March 4, 2013

16:31:49 <Curt> GK: does that mean we can release Tuesday?

Graham Klyne: does that mean we can release Tuesday?

16:32:01 <Curt> pgroth: Yes, we will need to stage by Tuesday

Paul Groth: Yes, we will need to stage by Tuesday

16:32:39 <stain> so we've got over the weekend to re-review PAQ, and then the week after it goes out with the rest ?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: so we've got over the weekend to re-review PAQ, and then the week after it goes out with the rest ?

16:33:05 <Curt> GK: I'm busy on that day, can Paul stage?

Graham Klyne: I'm busy on that day, can Paul stage?

16:33:09 <Curt> pgroth: yes, I will stage

Paul Groth: yes, I will stage

16:33:26 <stain> mm.. so it's a +1 / -1 kind of review

Stian Soiland-Reyes: mm.. so it's a +1 / -1 kind of review

16:33:49 <stain> fine by me

Stian Soiland-Reyes: fine by me

16:33:53 <Curt> pgroth: We need to know about blockers/major objections by Monday to get it staged and out

Paul Groth: We need to know about blockers/major objections by Monday to get it staged and out

16:33:59 <GK> @stian thanks

Graham Klyne: @stian thanks

16:34:02 <pgroth> proposed: release prov-aq as a working draft if there are no objections by Monday March 4, 2013

PROPOSED: release prov-aq as a working draft if there are no objections by Monday March 4, 2013

16:34:10 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

16:34:10 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

16:34:11 <GK> +1

Graham Klyne: +1

16:34:12 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

16:34:13 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:34:14 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

16:34:14 <Curt> +1

+1

16:34:15 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

16:34:16 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

16:34:17 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

16:34:19 <Dong> +1

Trung Huynh: +1

16:34:19 <stain> +1 (except for the awkward date format! :) )

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 (except for the awkward date format! :) )

16:34:19 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

16:34:50 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

16:35:05 <Curt> pgroth: GK - can you send out an email with the URL to review?

Paul Groth: GK - can you send out an email with the URL to review?

16:35:06 <Curt> GK: yes

Graham Klyne: yes

16:35:07 <stain> [ relevant XKCD: http://xkcd.com/1179/ ]

Stian Soiland-Reyes: [ relevant XKCD: http://xkcd.com/1179/ ]

16:35:19 <pgroth> accepted: release prov-aq as a working draft if there are no objections by Monday March 4, 2013

RESOLVED: release prov-aq as a working draft if there are no objections by Monday March 4, 2013

16:35:43 <pgroth> subtopic: other notes

4.5. other notes

16:36:18 <Curt> pgroth: need final updates on other notes (primer, overview, links) to point to the right versions of everything

Paul Groth: need final updates on other notes (primer, overview, links) to point to the right versions of everything

16:36:19 <Zakim> -ctrim

Zakim IRC Bot: -ctrim

16:36:27 <pgroth> Proposed: to publish prov-primer, prov-overview, prov- links as working drafts

PROPOSED: to publish prov-primer, prov-overview, prov- links as working drafts

16:36:34 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

16:36:35 <Curt> +1

+1

16:36:36 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

16:36:37 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

16:36:37 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

16:36:38 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:36:39 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

16:36:39 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

16:36:39 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

16:36:46 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

16:36:56 <GK> +1

Graham Klyne: +1

16:37:04 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

16:37:11 <pgroth> accepted: to publish prov-primer, prov-overview, prov- links as working drafts

RESOLVED: to publish prov-primer, prov-overview, prov- links as working drafts

16:37:30 <dgarijo> yes

Daniel Garijo: yes

16:38:01 <Curt> pgroth: staging XML?

Paul Groth: staging XML?

16:38:03 <smiles> yes

Simon Miles: yes

16:38:11 <Curt> Curt: will make sure it gets staged

Curt Tilmes: will make sure it gets staged

16:38:24 <Curt> jcheney: will stage PROV-SEM

James Cheney: will stage PROV-SEM

16:38:30 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:38:31 <Curt> jcheney: will discuss process with Luc

James Cheney: will discuss process with Luc

16:38:36 <smiles> Is it a particular time on Tuesday?

Simon Miles: Is it a particular time on Tuesday?

16:38:44 <pgroth> ack ivan

Paul Groth: ack ivan

16:38:49 <TomDN> fyi - we will resolve PROV-Dictionary validation issues on Monday

Tom De Nies: fyi - we will resolve PROV-Dictionary validation issues on Monday

16:38:54 <pgroth> i can't hear you

Paul Groth: i can't hear you

16:39:24 <Curt> ivan: the web links for document provenance (?)

Ivan Herman: the web links for document provenance (?)

16:39:34 <ivan> zakim, unmute

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute

16:39:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmute', ivan

16:39:45 <pgroth> zakim, who's noisy?

Paul Groth: zakim, who's noisy?

16:39:56 <Zakim> pgroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (38%), Ivan (65%)

Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (38%), Ivan (65%)

16:40:26 <Curt> pgroth: If you want to include the provenance for your document, tell Ivan where to point the links

Paul Groth: If you want to include the provenance for your document, tell Ivan where to point the links

16:40:28 <ivan> you guys should give me all the links to the provenance directory before tuesday

Ivan Herman: you guys should give me all the links to the provenance directory before tuesday

16:40:35 <ivan> exactly

Ivan Herman: exactly

16:40:35 <ivan> thanks

Ivan Herman: thanks

16:40:44 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:41:02 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.a]

16:41:04 <dgarijo> bbye

Daniel Garijo: bbye

16:41:04 <khalidBelhajjame> bye

Khalid Belhajjame: bye

16:41:07 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: -Satya_Sahoo

16:41:08 <GK> Bye

Graham Klyne: Bye

16:41:08 <Dong> thanks, bye

Trung Huynh: thanks, bye

16:41:09 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.aa]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.aa]

16:41:09 <Zakim> -jcheney

Zakim IRC Bot: -jcheney

16:41:11 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

16:41:12 <stain> bye

Stian Soiland-Reyes: bye

16:41:12 <Zakim> -pgroth

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgroth

16:41:14 <Zakim> -dgarijo

Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo

16:41:14 <Zakim> -SamCoppens

Zakim IRC Bot: -SamCoppens

16:41:16 <Zakim> -Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc

16:41:18 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.818.731.aabb

16:41:20 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public

Paul Groth: rrsagent, set log public

16:41:21 <Zakim> -stain

Zakim IRC Bot: -stain

16:41:22 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

16:41:24 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes

Paul Groth: rrsagent, draft minutes

16:41:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-prov-minutes.html pgroth

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-prov-minutes.html pgroth

16:41:27 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes

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16:41:29 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon

Paul Groth: trackbot, end telcon

16:41:29 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

16:41:29 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, Curt_Tilmes, +1.661.382.aaaa, ctrim, smiles, GK, stain, TallTed, +1.818.731.aabb, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, dgarijo,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, Curt_Tilmes, +1.661.382.aaaa, ctrim, smiles, GK, stain, TallTed, +1.818.731.aabb, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, dgarijo,

16:41:32 <Zakim> ... +44.131.467.aacc, jcheney, Ivan, Luc, SamCoppens, TomDN

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +44.131.467.aacc, jcheney, Ivan, Luc, SamCoppens, TomDN

16:41:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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16:41:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-prov-minutes.html trackbot

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16:41:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

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16:41:38 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

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