F2F4 minutes were approved.
Luc summarized the timetable to CR publication. CR documents must be ready by noon GMT on November 26th, for final check by chairs and Ivan. Announcement on Nov 27th. CR transition teleconference on Dec 6, and planned publication on Dec 11th. Notes to be ready for staging on Dec 5th. Vote for release of notes on Nov 29th. Questionnaires must be ready by Dec 11th.
Review of Actions assigned at F2F4
We spent the best part of 45m inutes going through all actions and closing those that were complete.
Implementation Questionnaire and Test Cases
Paul updated us on attempts to port the questionnaire to W3C WBS system. So far, so good. The outstanding question is whether it supports, in some way, multiple submissions by an individual. Dong updated the constraints testcase document, and seeded the repository with a few test cases. Interested parties should review this document: Jun, Paolo, James, Luc, Paul agreed to provide feedback on it. Khalid offered to copy the examples from the prov-dm document to the test case repository. Dong will copy the examples from the prov-o document.
Prov-dm/n/constraints are staged (so, is prov-o but it still needs Tim's final pass). Simon checked prov-dm, Dong will check prov-n, Satya is checking prov-o. Members are invited to make quick checks to find remaining buglets, before final freeze on Monday.
Update on Note-track documents
prov-primer is almost ready to go, and waiting for final approval from Robert and Stephan. Figures will be edited during the week.
Simon and Craig have agreed to review prov-dc. We are asking reviewers to tell us before Thursday, whether the document is ready to be released as FPWD.
The notes on mention and overview will be released during the week for fpwd vote on Thursday. Paolo agreed to comment on overview. Nobody on the call volunteer for mention: maybe Curt and Hook would be willing to look at it when ready?
Jun will draft a response to the GLD Working Group. It will be circulated to the PROV-WG for feedback and sent to GLD WG by Nov 25 (their LC deadline).
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15:29:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:29:05 <trackbot> Date: 22 November 2012
15:42:57 <Luc> trackbot, start telcon
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15:43:02 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV
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15:43:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
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15:43:03 <trackbot> Date: 22 November 2012
15:43:19 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
15:43:32 <Luc> Scribe: DanielG
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15:43:39 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public
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15:43:43 <Luc> zakim, who is here?
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15:43:43 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has not yet started, Luc
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15:43:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Luc, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, stain
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15:45:34 <Luc> Regrets: Timothy Lebo, Stephan Zednik, Deborah McGuinness, Curt Tilmes, Craig Trim, Hook Hua, Graham Klyne
15:45:59 <Luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.11.22
15:49:55 <Luc> action-123?
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15:49:55 <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Luc Moreau to editor check -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN
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15:59:52 <Luc> Hi daniel, everything is ready for you
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16:00:12 <dgarijo> @Luc: thanks
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16:00:56 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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16:02:20 <pgroth> hello
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16:02:26 <Luc> hi
Luc Moreau: hi ←
16:02:34 <dgarijo> hello
hello ←
16:02:42 <Luc> topic: admin
Summary: F2F4 minutes were approved.
<Luc>Summary: F2F4 minutes were approved.
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16:03:24 <dgarijo> Luc: long agenda, although we are not many due to thanksgiving
Luc Moreau: long agenda, although we are not many due to thanksgiving ←
16:03:31 <Luc> proposed: minutes of the F2F4 meeting
PROPOSED: minutes of the F2F4 meeting ←
16:03:44 <ivan> +1
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16:03:44 <jcheney> +1
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16:03:45 <dgarijo> I wasn't there: +0
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16:03:49 <khalidBelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
16:03:50 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
16:03:55 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-11-09
Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-11-09 ←
16:03:59 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-11-10
Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-11-10 ←
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16:04:07 <jun> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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16:04:18 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
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16:04:22 <Luc> accepted: minutes of the F2F4 meeting
RESOLVED: minutes of the F2F4 meeting ←
16:04:41 <Luc> topic: Summary of Timetable to CR
Summary: Luc summarized the timetable to CR publication. CR documents must be ready by noon GMT on November 26th, for final check by chairs and Ivan. Announcement on Nov 27th. CR transition teleconference on Dec 6, and planned publication on Dec 11th. Notes to be ready for staging on Dec 5th. Vote for release of notes on Nov 29th. Questionnaires must be ready by Dec 11th.
<Luc>Summary: Luc summarized the timetable to CR publication. CR documents must be ready by noon GMT on November 26th, for final check by chairs and Ivan. Announcement on Nov 27th. CR transition teleconference on Dec 6, and planned publication on Dec 11th. Notes to be ready for staging on Dec 5th. Vote for release of notes on Nov 29th. Questionnaires must be ready by Dec 11th.
16:04:43 <dgarijo> Luc: Action review
Luc Moreau: Action review ←
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16:04:58 <Zakim> +??P8
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16:05:22 <Luc> Chairs announcing intent to publish CR (Nov 27th)
Luc Moreau: Chairs announcing intent to publish CR (Nov 27th) ←
16:05:28 <dgarijo> Luc we voted to submit the CRs so that we can announe a release on the 27th.
Luc we voted to submit the CRs so that we can announe a release on the 27th. ←
16:05:41 <Luc> CR transition teleconference (Dec 7th)
Luc Moreau: CR transition teleconference (Dec 7th) ←
16:05:59 <Zakim> +??P9
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16:06:00 <Luc> CR publication (Dec 11th)
Luc Moreau: CR publication (Dec 11th) ←
16:06:08 <Luc> Documents ready by November 26th, noon GMT
Luc Moreau: Documents ready by November 26th, noon GMT ←
16:06:08 <dgarijo> ... so we have a week to deal with final comments
... so we have a week to deal with final comments ←
16:06:18 <pgroth> really loud!!!
Paul Groth: really loud!!! ←
16:06:50 <pgroth> ??P8 is me
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16:06:58 <pgroth> zakim, ??P8 is me
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16:06:58 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
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16:07:02 <dgarijo> we are talking about 4 documents for recommendations. The notes can be ready at a later stage.
we are talking about 4 documents for recommendations. The notes can be ready at a later stage. ←
16:07:03 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:07:06 <smiles> zakim, ??P9 is me
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16:07:07 <Dong> one might be me
Trung Huynh: one might be me ←
16:07:08 <dgarijo> ... any questions?
... any questions? ←
16:07:11 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:07:23 <Dong> zakim, ??P9 is me
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16:07:23 <Zakim> I already had ??P9 as smiles, Dong
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16:07:25 <Luc> topic: Review of Actions assigned at F2F4
Summary: We spent the best part of 45m inutes going through all actions and closing those that were complete.
16:07:38 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open
Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open ←
<Luc>Summary: We spent the best part of 45m inutes going through all actions and closing those that were complete.
16:07:38 <dgarijo> Luc: Review of the f2f meeting actions.
Luc Moreau: Review of the f2f meeting actions. ←
16:07:44 <dgarijo> ... a long list
... a long list ←
16:07:45 <pgroth> zakim, who is loud?
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16:07:45 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, pgroth.
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16:07:47 <Luc> action-116?
16:07:47 <trackbot> ACTION-116 -- Timothy Lebo to implement cross referencing for issue 461 -- due 2012-12-13 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-116 -- Timothy Lebo to implement cross referencing for ISSUE-461 -- due 2012-12-13 -- OPEN ←
16:07:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/116
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16:08:10 <dgarijo> ... a purely editorial issue that can be done after CR
... a purely editorial issue that can be done after CR ←
16:08:11 <Luc> action-122?
16:08:11 <trackbot> ACTION-122 -- Luc Moreau to - add example of document/bundle to faq explaining validity -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-122 -- Luc Moreau to - add example of document/bundle to faq explaining validity -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN ←
16:08:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/122
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16:08:23 <Luc> action-123?
16:08:23 <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Luc Moreau to editor check -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-123 -- Luc Moreau to editor check -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN ←
16:08:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/123
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16:08:25 <dgarijo> ... Luc has not done it yet
... Luc has not done it yet ←
16:08:29 <pgroth> Zakim, who is noisy?
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16:08:40 <Zakim> pgroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ivan (24%)
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16:08:54 <dgarijo> ... 123-> Do we need a final check on this? Paul, what do you think?
... 123-> Do we need a final check on this? Paul, what do you think? ←
16:08:55 <ivan> zakim, mute me
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16:08:55 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
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16:09:11 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
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16:09:11 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
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16:09:18 <Zakim> + +329331aacc
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16:09:18 <dgarijo> Luc: Ivan, should we do anything here?
Luc Moreau: Ivan, should we do anything here? ←
16:09:29 <dgarijo> Ivan: what specific check do you need?
Ivan Herman: what specific check do you need? ←
16:09:36 <SamCoppens> zakim, +329331aacc is me
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16:09:39 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:09:39 <dgarijo> Luc: I'm happy with the result of my action.
Luc Moreau: I'm happy with the result of my action. ←
16:10:00 <dgarijo> Ivan: maybe you should do a last check on the abstract and references. That's it
Ivan Herman: maybe you should do a last check on the abstract and references. That's it ←
16:10:03 <Luc> close action-123
Luc Moreau: close ACTION-123 ←
16:10:03 <trackbot> ACTION-123 Editor check closed
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16:10:06 <ivan> zakim, mute me
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16:10:06 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
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16:10:09 <dgarijo> Luc: it's still on the to do list
Luc Moreau: it's still on the to do list ←
16:10:09 <Luc> action-124?
16:10:09 <trackbot> ACTION-124 -- Luc Moreau to prov-n editor check -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-124 -- Luc Moreau to prov-n editor check -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN ←
16:10:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/124
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16:10:09 <pgroth> q-
Paul Groth: q- ←
16:10:14 <dgarijo> Luc: will close it
Luc Moreau: will close it ←
16:10:16 <pgroth> no
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16:10:30 <Luc> close action-124
Luc Moreau: close ACTION-124 ←
16:10:30 <trackbot> ACTION-124 Prov-n editor check closed
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16:10:36 <dgarijo> Luc: action 124: a last check of the provn document. Can be closed, as it's done
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16:10:43 <Luc> action-127?
16:10:43 <trackbot> ACTION-127 -- Timothy Lebo to add hadActivity example to prov-o -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN
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16:10:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/127
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16:11:01 <dgarijo> Luc: action 127->Tim, about adding examples for hadActivity
Luc Moreau: ACTION-127->Tim, about adding examples for hadActivity ←
16:11:09 <dgarijo> Luc: Jun, can you update us
Luc Moreau: Jun, can you update us ←
16:11:12 <dgarijo> ?
? ←
16:11:23 <dgarijo> Jun: done it
16:11:42 <dgarijo> ok ok
ok ok ←
16:11:59 <dgarijo> LUc: Daniel will review the examples by Jun
Luc Moreau: Daniel will review the examples by Jun ←
16:12:00 <pgroth> yes
Paul Groth: yes ←
16:12:03 <Luc> close action-127
Luc Moreau: close ACTION-127 ←
16:12:03 <trackbot> ACTION-127 Add hadActivity example to prov-o closed
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16:12:08 <dgarijo> Luc: 127 closed.
Luc Moreau: 127 closed. ←
16:12:10 <Luc> action-128?
16:12:10 <trackbot> ACTION-128 -- Timothy Lebo to add a statement on informative and normative in prov-o -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-128 -- Timothy Lebo to add a statement on informative and normative in prov-o -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN ←
16:12:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/128
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16:12:18 <pgroth> done
Paul Groth: done ←
16:12:21 <pgroth> said it was done
Paul Groth: said it was done ←
16:12:26 <pgroth> on the wiki
Paul Groth: on the wiki ←
16:12:49 <Luc> ivan?
Luc Moreau: ivan? ←
16:12:54 <dgarijo> Luc: 128->Tim. He sent a message and it's done. Given the importance of the normative section it would be good if somene could check it. Ivan?
Luc Moreau: 128->Tim. He sent a message and it's done. Given the importance of the normative section it would be good if somene could check it. Ivan? ←
16:12:56 <ivan> zakim, mute me
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16:12:56 <Zakim> Ivan was already muted, ivan
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16:13:06 <Luc> ivan?
Luc Moreau: ivan? ←
16:13:09 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
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16:13:09 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
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16:13:35 <dgarijo> Ivan: I can do that but I don't know when. I'm out after this call.
Ivan Herman: I can do that but I don't know when. I'm out after this call. ←
16:13:46 <pgroth> q+ to ask about timeline
Paul Groth: q+ to ask about timeline ←
16:13:46 <dgarijo> Luc: I'll have a look then
Luc Moreau: I'll have a look then ←
16:13:55 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
16:13:55 <Zakim> pgroth, you wanted to ask about timeline
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16:14:15 <dgarijo> pgroth: what happens if we do it until tuesday?
Paul Groth: what happens if we do it until tuesday? ←
16:14:22 <dgarijo> ... they are checks
... they are checks ←
16:14:24 <dgarijo> Ivan: no
Ivan Herman: no ←
16:14:34 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:14:35 <dgarijo> ... we are not supposed to change those
... we are not supposed to change those ←
16:15:00 <dgarijo> ...The due date is tuesday
...The due date is tuesday ←
16:15:14 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:15:15 <dgarijo> ... so updates on monday are still fine
... so updates on monday are still fine ←
16:15:22 <dgarijo> ... contact me if you need anything else
... contact me if you need anything else ←
16:15:25 <dgarijo> Luc: ok
Luc Moreau: ok ←
16:15:29 <Luc> action-129?
16:15:29 <trackbot> ACTION-129 -- Timothy Lebo to editor check prov-o -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-129 -- Timothy Lebo to editor check prov-o -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN ←
16:15:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/129
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16:15:39 <Luc> action-133?
16:15:39 <trackbot> ACTION-133 -- Paul Groth to draft a first one page overview -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-133 -- Paul Groth to draft a first one page overview -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN ←
16:15:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/133
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16:15:41 <dgarijo> ... Action 129->Tim: still in progress
... ACTION-129->Tim: still in progress ←
16:15:59 <pgroth> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/beb20fc47489/overview/overview.html
Paul Groth: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/beb20fc47489/overview/overview.html ←
16:16:31 <dgarijo> ... Action 133 overview of documents. Paul started it in mercurial. When does this guide need to be done? Tuesday?
... ACTION-133 overview of documents. Paul started it in mercurial. When does this guide need to be done? Tuesday? ←
16:16:36 <dgarijo> Luc, Ivan: no
Luc, Ivan: no ←
16:16:54 <dgarijo> Luc: we need a vote to release as a note, before the 11th
Luc Moreau: we need a vote to release as a note, before the 11th ←
16:17:23 <dgarijo> Ivan: when is our deadlilne within the group for the notes?
Ivan Herman: when is our deadlilne within the group for the notes? ←
16:17:32 <dgarijo> Luc: we want to publish them on December
Luc Moreau: we want to publish them on December ←
16:18:05 <dgarijo> Luc: some need a transition request and a publication request. If we start on the 4th of December, is that fine?
Luc Moreau: some need a transition request and a publication request. If we start on the 4th of December, is that fine? ←
16:18:27 <Zakim> -??P4
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16:18:37 <pgroth> can't hear
Paul Groth: can't hear ←
16:19:05 <dgarijo> Ivan: let's try to help the web master. Sending the request 4,5 6 would be a good idea
Ivan Herman: let's try to help the web master. Sending the request 4,5 6 would be a good idea ←
16:19:32 <dgarijo> ... 5th or 6th should be the publication requiest. Transition request ->3rd
... 5th or 6th should be the publication requiest. Transition request ->3rd ←
16:19:38 <Zakim> +??P4
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16:19:43 <dgarijo> By 3rd the docs should be ready
By 3rd the docs should be ready ←
16:20:06 <dgarijo> Luc: so next week we should be ready to make the decission. That doesn't leave much time, Paul.
Luc Moreau: so next week we should be ready to make the decission. That doesn't leave much time, Paul. ←
16:20:21 <dgarijo> ... Mention, DC is in the same vote
... Mention, DC is in the same vote ←
16:20:39 <dgarijo> ... Mention and Overview at least next thursday.
... Mention and Overview at least next thursday. ←
16:20:58 <dgarijo> ... we need a deadline for the 27th.
... we need a deadline for the 27th. ←
16:21:08 <dgarijo> pgroth: I need monday to create this
Paul Groth: I need monday to create this ←
16:21:19 <dgarijo> .. I need someone to read it on tuesday.
.. I need someone to read it on tuesday. ←
16:21:22 <pgroth> ok
Paul Groth: ok ←
16:21:25 <pgroth> yes
Paul Groth: yes ←
16:21:30 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:21:42 <pgroth> ok
Paul Groth: ok ←
16:21:48 <dgarijo> Luc: I leave the action open
Luc Moreau: I leave the action open ←
16:21:51 <Luc> action-134?
16:21:51 <trackbot> ACTION-134 -- Tom De Nies to draft a timetable for prov-dictionary for the next teleconference -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-134 -- Tom De Nies to draft a timetable for prov-dictionary for the next teleconference -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN ←
16:21:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/134
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/134 ←
16:22:07 <SamCoppens> zakim, unmute me
Sam Coppens: zakim, unmute me ←
16:22:07 <Zakim> SamCoppens should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: SamCoppens should no longer be muted ←
16:22:16 <dgarijo> ... 134->Tom.
... 134->Tom. ←
16:22:26 <pgroth> yes
Paul Groth: yes ←
16:22:41 <dgarijo> Sam: I haven't drafted the timetable yet.
Sam Coppens: I haven't drafted the timetable yet. ←
16:22:46 <dgarijo> ... Tom is away.
... Tom is away. ←
16:23:00 <Luc> action-135?
16:23:00 <trackbot> ACTION-135 -- Luc Moreau to create a mention of document -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-135 -- Luc Moreau to create a mention of document -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN ←
16:23:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/135
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/135 ←
16:23:01 <dgarijo> ... I will have a look at it next week. Will have the timetable for next week
... I will have a look at it next week. Will have the timetable for next week ←
16:23:14 <SamCoppens> zakim, mute me
Sam Coppens: zakim, mute me ←
16:23:14 <Zakim> SamCoppens should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: SamCoppens should now be muted ←
16:23:15 <Luc> action-136?
16:23:15 <trackbot> ACTION-136 -- Luc Moreau to update public response on mention -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-136 -- Luc Moreau to update public response on mention -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN ←
16:23:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/136
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/136 ←
16:23:16 <dgarijo> Luc: 135-> Luc. I started but I keep the action open.
Luc Moreau: 135-> Luc. I started but I keep the action open. ←
16:23:42 <dgarijo> ... 136->Luc: I sent an email asking for feedback, but no answer yet.
... 136->Luc: I sent an email asking for feedback, but no answer yet. ←
16:23:55 <pgroth> i think this is fine
Paul Groth: i think this is fine ←
16:24:00 <dgarijo> ... it is the response to Graham
... it is the response to Graham ←
16:24:16 <Luc> close action-136
Luc Moreau: close ACTION-136 ←
16:24:16 <trackbot> ACTION-136 Update public response on mention closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-136 Update public response on mention closed ←
16:24:21 <Luc> action-137?
16:24:21 <trackbot> ACTION-137 -- Paul Groth to organize closure of issues closed pending review -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-137 -- Paul Groth to organize closure of issues closed pending review -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN ←
16:24:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/137
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/137 ←
16:24:23 <dgarijo> Ivan: we should not be overly formal with this one, because he's been part of the discussions.
Ivan Herman: we should not be overly formal with this one, because he's been part of the discussions. ←
16:24:57 <Luc> close action-137
Luc Moreau: close ACTION-137 ←
16:24:57 <trackbot> ACTION-137 Organize closure of issues closed pending review closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-137 Organize closure of issues closed pending review closed ←
16:24:58 <dgarijo> ... 137-> Paul. Paul guessed was for the PAQ. All issues were either closed or reopened.
... 137-> Paul. Paul guessed was for the PAQ. All issues were either closed or reopened. ←
16:25:03 <Luc> action-139?
16:25:03 <trackbot> ACTION-139 -- Paul Groth to change the respec style for implementation report -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-139 -- Paul Groth to change the respec style for implementation report -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN ←
16:25:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/139
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/139 ←
16:25:04 <dgarijo> paul: done
Paul Groth: done ←
16:25:18 <Luc> close action-139
Luc Moreau: close ACTION-139 ←
16:25:18 <trackbot> ACTION-139 Change the respec style for implementation report closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-139 Change the respec style for implementation report closed ←
16:25:20 <dgarijo> Luc: 139->Paul. Luc did it. Let's close it
Luc Moreau: 139->Paul. Luc did it. Let's close it ←
16:25:24 <Luc> action-142?
16:25:24 <trackbot> ACTION-142 -- Stephan Zednik to create 3/4 questionnaires instead of a single branching one (+ remove mention) -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-142 -- Stephan Zednik to create 3/4 questionnaires instead of a single branching one (+ remove mention) -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN ←
16:25:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/142
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/142 ←
16:25:25 <jcheney> q+ to point out that I marked my actions 130-132 pending review, so can we review/close them
James Cheney: q+ to point out that I marked my actions 130-132 pending review, so can we review/close them ←
16:25:58 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:26:03 <Luc> ack jcheney
Luc Moreau: ack jcheney ←
16:26:03 <Zakim> jcheney, you wanted to point out that I marked my actions 130-132 pending review, so can we review/close them
Zakim IRC Bot: jcheney, you wanted to point out that I marked my actions 130-132 pending review, so can we review/close them ←
16:26:05 <dgarijo> ... 142-> Stephan. Creation of 3-4 questionaires instead of one. Paul can give an update for later. It's still open.
... 142-> Stephan. Creation of 3-4 questionaires instead of one. Paul can give an update for later. It's still open. ←
16:26:17 <dgarijo> jcheney: my actions are pending review.
James Cheney: my actions are pending review. ←
16:26:40 <dgarijo> ... those are all done.
... those are all done. ←
16:26:46 <jcheney> 130, 131, 132
James Cheney: 130, 131, 132 ←
16:26:53 <Luc> action-143?
16:26:53 <trackbot> ACTION-143 -- Stephan Zednik to look at wbs for the implementation questionnaire -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-143 -- Stephan Zednik to look at wbs for the implementation questionnaire -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN ←
16:26:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/143
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/143 ←
16:26:53 <dgarijo> Luc: 131, 132, 130 closed
Luc Moreau: 131, 132, 130 closed ←
16:27:13 <Luc> action-145?
16:27:13 <trackbot> ACTION-145 -- Stephan Zednik to add a question to ask about use of constraints by applications (e.g. "or the features that you implement, do you support the PROV-CONSTRAINTS?") -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-145 -- Stephan Zednik to add a question to ask about use of constraints by applications (e.g. "or the features that you implement, do you support the PROV-CONSTRAINTS?") -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN ←
16:27:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/145
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/145 ←
16:27:15 <dgarijo> Luc: 143. Paul will report later, it's open.
Luc Moreau: 143. Paul will report later, it's open. ←
16:27:27 <Luc> action-146?
16:27:27 <trackbot> ACTION-146 -- Graham Klyne to talk to Jun about implementation of constraints and specifically test cases -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-146 -- Graham Klyne to talk to Jun about implementation of constraints and specifically test cases -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN ←
16:27:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/146
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/146 ←
16:27:29 <dgarijo> Luc... 145->Stephan. Action open.
Luc... 145->Stephan. Action open. ←
16:27:49 <dgarijo> ... 146 Graham to talk to Jun about the constraints.
... 146 Graham to talk to Jun about the constraints. ←
16:28:06 <pgroth> no timeline
Paul Groth: no timeline ←
16:28:10 <dgarijo> Jun: GK didn't talk to me yet. I have started an implementation. What is the timeline?
Jun Zhao: GK didn't talk to me yet. I have started an implementation. What is the timeline? ←
16:28:16 <pgroth> well before feb 1
Paul Groth: well before feb 1 ←
16:28:37 <dgarijo> Luc: by 31st of Jan we hope to have the implementations complete
Luc Moreau: by 31st of Jan we hope to have the implementations complete ←
16:28:49 <dgarijo> Jun: ok.
16:29:06 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:29:42 <dgarijo> Luc: The impl should be independent.
Luc Moreau: The impl should be independent. ←
16:29:43 <Luc> close action-147
Luc Moreau: close ACTION-147 ←
16:29:43 <trackbot> ACTION-147 Editor's check on the primer closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-147 Editor's check on the primer closed ←
16:29:52 <Luc> close action-146
Luc Moreau: close ACTION-146 ←
16:29:52 <trackbot> ACTION-146 Talk to Jun about implementation of constraints and specifically test cases closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-146 Talk to Jun about implementation of constraints and specifically test cases closed ←
16:30:18 <dgarijo> ... action 146 -> Simon.
... ACTION-146 -> Simon. ←
16:30:19 <Luc> action-147?
16:30:19 <trackbot> ACTION-147 -- Simon Miles to editor's check on the primer -- due 2012-11-17 -- CLOSED
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-147 -- Simon Miles to editor's check on the primer -- due 2012-11-17 -- CLOSED ←
16:30:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/147
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/147 ←
16:30:30 <dgarijo> smiles: I checked through the primer
Simon Miles: I checked through the primer ←
16:30:44 <dgarijo> ... but not sure if I have addressed the issue.
... but not sure if I have addressed the issue. ←
16:30:57 <dgarijo> ... is there any specific thing to be done?
... is there any specific thing to be done? ←
16:31:03 <Luc> open action-147
Luc Moreau: open ACTION-147 ←
16:31:15 <Luc> action-148?
16:31:15 <trackbot> ACTION-148 -- Luc Moreau to produce js file with biblio entries for prov documents -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-148 -- Luc Moreau to produce js file with biblio entries for prov documents -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN ←
16:31:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/148
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/148 ←
16:31:16 <pgroth> mute, smiles
Paul Groth: mute, smiles ←
16:31:18 <dgarijo> Luc: ok, so the action is still open
Luc Moreau: ok, so the action is still open ←
16:31:33 <Luc> close action-148
Luc Moreau: close ACTION-148 ←
16:31:33 <trackbot> ACTION-148 Produce js file with biblio entries for prov documents closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-148 Produce js file with biblio entries for prov documents closed ←
16:31:38 <dgarijo> Luc: 148->js file for the bibliographic entries. Done.
Luc Moreau: 148->js file for the bibliographic entries. Done. ←
16:31:40 <Luc> action-149?
16:31:40 <trackbot> ACTION-149 -- Paul Groth to check for the current version of dublin core mapping + then send email to tim and craig for review -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-149 -- Paul Groth to check for the current version of dublin core mapping + then send email to tim and craig for review -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN ←
16:31:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/149
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/149 ←
16:31:52 <Luc> close action-149
Luc Moreau: close ACTION-149 ←
16:31:52 <trackbot> ACTION-149 Check for the current version of dublin core mapping + then send email to tim and craig for review closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-149 Check for the current version of dublin core mapping + then send email to tim and craig for review closed ←
16:31:54 <dgarijo> ... 149: Paul to check the current version of DC. It's done.
... 149: Paul to check the current version of DC. It's done. ←
16:32:06 <Luc> close action-150
Luc Moreau: close ACTION-150 ←
16:32:06 <trackbot> ACTION-150 Remind simon what he's supposed to do closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-150 Remind simon what he's supposed to do closed ←
16:32:10 <dgarijo> ...150, done.
...150, done. ←
16:32:20 <Luc> action-151?
16:32:20 <trackbot> ACTION-151 -- Paul Groth to add a section on implementing prov and why and how -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-151 -- Paul Groth to add a section on implementing prov and why and how -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN ←
16:32:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/151
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/151 ←
16:33:02 <Luc> action-152?
16:33:02 <trackbot> ACTION-152 -- Craig Trim to trim to write a paragraph motivating needs for provenance -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-152 -- Craig Trim to trim to write a paragraph motivating needs for provenance -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN ←
16:33:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/152
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/152 ←
16:33:02 <Dong> Paul, we have some material: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Call_For_Implementations
Trung Huynh: Paul, we have some material: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Call_For_Implementations ←
16:33:06 <dgarijo> ... 151->Paul. Make the implementors understand why they should adopt PROV. Paul is going to delay this.
... 151->Paul. Make the implementors understand why they should adopt PROV. Paul is going to delay this. ←
16:33:31 <dgarijo> ... 152-> Craig. Is someone going to put this in the wiki?
... 152-> Craig. Is someone going to put this in the wiki? ←
16:33:45 <dgarijo> pgroth: yes, put an action on me to do that
Paul Groth: yes, put an action on me to do that ←
16:33:55 <Luc> action pgroth to put the Craig's use cases on the wiki
Luc Moreau: action pgroth to put the Craig's use cases on the wiki ←
16:33:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-153 - Put the Craig's use cases on the wiki [on Paul Groth - due 2012-11-29].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-153 - Put the Craig's use cases on the wiki [on Paul Groth - due 2012-11-29]. ←
16:34:02 <Luc> close action-152
Luc Moreau: close ACTION-152 ←
16:34:02 <trackbot> ACTION-152 Trim to write a paragraph motivating needs for provenance closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-152 Trim to write a paragraph motivating needs for provenance closed ←
16:34:07 <dgarijo> Luc: closing 152
Luc Moreau: closing 152 ←
16:34:18 <Luc> Topic: Implementation Questionnaire and Test Cases
Summary: Paul updated us on attempts to port the questionnaire to W3C WBS system. So far, so good. The outstanding question is whether it supports, in some way, multiple submissions by an individual. Dong updated the constraints testcase document, and seeded the repository with a few test cases. Interested parties should review this document: Jun, Paolo, James, Luc, Paul agreed to provide feedback on it. Khalid offered to copy the examples from the prov-dm document to the test case repository. Dong will copy the examples from the prov-o document.
<Luc>Summary: Paul updated us on attempts to port the questionnaire to W3C WBS system. So far, so good. The outstanding question is whether it supports, in some way, multiple submissions by an individual. Dong updated the constraints testcase document, and seeded the repository with a few test cases. Interested parties should review this document: Jun, Paolo, James, Luc, Paul agreed to provide feedback on it. Khalid offered to copy the examples from the prov-dm document to the test case repository. Dong will copy the examples from the prov-o document.
16:34:47 <Dong> @Paul, sorry, I mistook the action with Tim's request for an implementation report landing page
Trung Huynh: @Paul, sorry, I mistook the action with Tim's request for an implementation report landing page ←
16:34:50 <Zakim> -??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P4 ←
16:34:59 <dgarijo> pgroth: had a chat with stephan. First draft in ?Wbf?
Paul Groth: had a chat with stephan. First draft in ?Wbf? ←
16:35:02 <Luc> we lost you paul
Luc Moreau: we lost you paul ←
16:35:15 <pgroth> sorry
Paul Groth: sorry ←
16:35:20 <dgarijo> Luc: let's move to the next item until paul comes back
Luc Moreau: let's move to the next item until paul comes back ←
16:35:21 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
16:35:30 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:36:03 <dgarijo> pgroth: stephan has done a first draft. We're having a discussion currently.
Paul Groth: stephan has done a first draft. We're having a discussion currently. ←
16:36:12 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:36:37 <dgarijo> pgroth: we are still figuring out things.
Paul Groth: we are still figuring out things. ←
16:36:38 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:36:48 <Luc> ack iv
Luc Moreau: ack iv ←
16:37:36 <pgroth> ok
Paul Groth: ok ←
16:37:38 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:37:47 <dgarijo> Ivan: as far as i know, wpf is not prepared for several entries from the same person. That being said, the call for transition had a reference to the questionaire to the google doc. We should not forget to move that as well
Ivan Herman: as far as i know, wbf is not prepared for several entries from the same person. That being said, the call for transition had a reference to the questionaire to the google doc. We should not forget to move that as well ←
16:37:57 <dgarijo> pgroth: timetible?
Paul Groth: timetible? ←
16:38:05 <ivan> s/wpf/wbf/
16:38:18 <dgarijo> Ivan: by tuesday we should know whether we use wbf or not.
Ivan Herman: by tuesday we should know whether we use wbf or not. ←
16:38:31 <dgarijo> pgroth: we need a bit more time to look at it.
Paul Groth: we need a bit more time to look at it. ←
16:38:55 <dgarijo> Ivan: we can remove the reference
Ivan Herman: we can remove the reference ←
16:39:17 <pgroth> sounds good
Paul Groth: sounds good ←
16:39:19 <dgarijo> Luc: I'm happy to leave that link. It shows the kind of info we aim to capture.
Luc Moreau: I'm happy to leave that link. It shows the kind of info we aim to capture. ←
16:39:20 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:39:23 <dgarijo> Ivan : ok
Ivan : ok ←
16:39:46 <dgarijo> Luc: test cases. Dong?
Luc Moreau: test cases. Dong? ←
16:39:58 <Dong> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/process.html
Trung Huynh: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/process.html ←
16:40:01 <dgarijo> dong: I received feedback and updated the process accordingly
Trung Huynh: I received feedback and updated the process accordingly ←
16:40:24 <dgarijo> ... if you go to that page you'll see some examples and testcases from different sources
... if you go to that page you'll see some examples and testcases from different sources ←
16:40:28 <Dong> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/default/testcases/constraints
Trung Huynh: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/default/testcases/constraints ←
16:40:44 <dgarijo> feedback welcome
feedback welcome ←
16:41:17 <Paolo> Looking at it...
Paolo Missier: Looking at it... ←
16:41:35 <pgroth> fine with me
Paul Groth: fine with me ←
16:41:38 <dgarijo> Luc: 4/5 people have strong interest in the constraints. Please look at those 2 documents. Jun, Paolo, James, Luc, Paul report before the next telecon.
Luc Moreau: 4/5 people have strong interest in the constraints. Please look at those 2 documents. Jun, Paolo, James, Luc, Paul report before the next telecon. ←
16:41:40 <Dong> sounds good
Trung Huynh: sounds good ←
16:41:41 <jun> ok for me
16:41:42 <jcheney> sure
James Cheney: sure ←
16:41:45 <Paolo> Yes sure
Paolo Missier: Yes sure ←
16:41:54 <Luc> paul, paolo, jun, james, luc
Luc Moreau: paul, paolo, jun, james, luc ←
16:42:17 <pgroth> @dong it looks like the examples don't match the naming convention
Paul Groth: @dong it looks like the examples don't match the naming convention ←
16:42:22 <dgarijo> Dong has started to add examples
Dong has started to add examples ←
16:42:41 <dgarijo> Luc: could more people help to populate the repository
Luc Moreau: could more people help to populate the repository ←
16:42:41 <pgroth> q+ to respond
Paul Groth: q+ to respond ←
16:42:50 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:42:51 <dgarijo> ... we need help for this.
... we need help for this. ←
16:43:01 <dgarijo> pgroth: I thought we agreed not to do that
Paul Groth: I thought we agreed not to do that ←
16:43:46 <dgarijo> ... we should get more examples to be used for constraints but not what we already have in the documents.
... we should get more examples to be used for constraints but not what we already have in the documents. ←
16:44:23 <dgarijo> Luc: I understood that we need those examples. What we can't do is specify which constraint is being exercise by those examples.
Luc Moreau: I understood that we need those examples. What we can't do is specify which constraint is being exercise by those examples. ←
16:44:50 <dgarijo> pgroth: different naming scheme for the examples?
Paul Groth: different naming scheme for the examples? ←
16:44:52 <pgroth> ok
Paul Groth: ok ←
16:44:58 <pgroth> ok
Paul Groth: ok ←
16:44:59 <dgarijo> Luc: let's solve it offline
Luc Moreau: let's solve it offline ←
16:45:00 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:45:03 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
16:45:03 <Zakim> pgroth, you wanted to respond
Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth, you wanted to respond ←
16:45:26 <dgarijo> Luc: it would be good to have people to do some examples
Luc Moreau: it would be good to have people to do some examples ←
16:45:33 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:45:34 <dgarijo> ... who is willing to encode them?
... who is willing to encode them? ←
16:45:51 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:45:54 <Dong> @Paul, please note that the identifier scheme has been changed a bit
Trung Huynh: @Paul, please note that the identifier scheme has been changed a bit ←
16:46:07 <dgarijo> ... extract the text from the document and putting in the file
... extract the text from the document and putting in the file ←
16:46:20 <dgarijo> pgroth: we have a catalog example
Paul Groth: we have a catalog example ←
16:46:24 <Dong> They are, but in a same file
Trung Huynh: They are, but in a same file ←
16:46:50 <dgarijo> pgroth: can someone check?
Paul Groth: can someone check? ←
16:46:54 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
16:47:17 <jun> They are in individual files for each individual class and property
Jun Zhao: They are in individual files for each individual class and property ←
16:47:36 <jun> It's here; http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/examples/eg-24-prov-o-html-examples/rdf/create/rdf
Jun Zhao: It's here; http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/examples/eg-24-prov-o-html-examples/rdf/create/rdf ←
16:47:42 <satya> I think they are in : http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/examples/eg-24-prov-o-html-examples/rdf/create/rdf
Satya Sahoo: I think they are in : http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/examples/eg-24-prov-o-html-examples/rdf/create/rdf ←
16:48:28 <dgarijo> Luc: will check and come back to you in case we have any problems
Luc Moreau: will check and come back to you in case we have any problems ←
16:48:36 <dgarijo> ... can someone take care of DM?
... can someone take care of DM? ←
16:48:36 <khalidBelhajjame> the DM means prov-n examples?
Khalid Belhajjame: the DM means prov-n examples? ←
16:48:38 <Dong> @jun, are those different to the ones in http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/beb20fc47489/examples/eg-28-prov-o-embedded-in-prov-o-html
Trung Huynh: @jun, are those different to the ones in http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/beb20fc47489/examples/eg-28-prov-o-embedded-in-prov-o-html ←
16:48:55 <dgarijo> @Dong: yes
@Dong: yes ←
16:49:10 <Dong> ok, will do
Trung Huynh: ok, will do ←
16:49:15 <dgarijo> @those are from other parts of the document
@those are from other parts of the document ←
16:49:21 <jun> @Dong, not sure about your link. That's not used in our prov-o spec. But the link we just sent does
Jun Zhao: @Dong, not sure about your link. That's not used in our prov-o spec. But the link we just sent does ←
16:49:33 <Luc> topic: Update on Rec-track documents
Summary: Prov-dm/n/constraints are staged (so, is prov-o but it still needs Tim's final pass). Simon checked prov-dm, Dong will check prov-n, Satya is checking prov-o. Members are invited to make quick checks to find remaining buglets, before final freeze on Monday.
<Luc>Summary: Prov-dm/n/constraints are staged (so, is prov-o but it still needs Tim's final pass). Simon checked prov-dm, Dong will check prov-n, Satya is checking prov-o. Members are invited to make quick checks to find remaining buglets, before final freeze on Monday.
16:49:39 <dgarijo> @Jun, yes they are included. In another part
@Jun, yes they are included. In another part ←
16:50:02 <Dong> @dgarijo, @jun, Thanks
Trung Huynh: @dgarijo, @jun, Thanks ←
16:50:07 <dgarijo> Luc: we still have something to check in the status of the doc section, but documents are ready
Luc Moreau: we still have something to check in the status of the doc section, but documents are ready ←
16:50:14 <dgarijo> ... prov-o still in progress
... prov-o still in progress ←
16:50:35 <dgarijo> ... Will somebody spend 10 min checking that there are no bugs?
... Will somebody spend 10 min checking that there are no bugs? ←
16:50:46 <dgarijo> ... no necessary to read the content
... no necessary to read the content ←
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16:50:57 <pgroth> i really really can't sorry
Paul Groth: i really really can't sorry ←
16:51:10 <dgarijo> I am quite overloaded, but I could try.
I am quite overloaded, but I could try. ←
16:51:38 <smiles> I checked the DM text, I can also check some links and the references this weekend
Simon Miles: I checked the DM text, I can also check some links and the references this weekend ←
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16:51:42 <dgarijo> I'll try to do a check tomorrow.
I'll try to do a check tomorrow. ←
16:52:09 <dgarijo> smiles: I already sent an email with my review.
Simon Miles: I already sent an email with my review. ←
16:52:22 <dgarijo> ... I didnt' check all the links
... I didnt' check all the links ←
16:52:26 <Dong> I can check PROV-N
Trung Huynh: I can check PROV-N ←
16:52:32 <dgarijo> Luc: not all the links can work
Luc Moreau: not all the links can work ←
16:52:36 <satya> I am checking prov-o
Satya Sahoo: I am checking prov-o ←
16:52:59 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:53:04 <dgarijo> Luc: somebody for constraints?
Luc Moreau: somebody for constraints? ←
16:53:10 <Paolo> I sent some comments to James earlier?
Paolo Missier: I sent some comments to James earlier? ←
16:53:23 <Paolo> Ok.
Paolo Missier: Ok. ←
16:53:39 <dgarijo> Luc: will have a look on monday
Luc Moreau: will have a look on monday ←
16:53:44 <Luc> topic: Update on Note-track documents
Summary: prov-primer is almost ready to go, and waiting for final approval from Robert and Stephan. Figures will be edited during the week.
<Luc>Summary: prov-primer is almost ready to go, and waiting for final approval from Robert and Stephan. Figures will be edited during the week.
16:54:06 <dgarijo> ... don't know about prov-xml. Prov primer?
... don't know about prov-xml. Prov primer? ←
16:54:16 <dgarijo> smiles: all of the corrections are done
Simon Miles: all of the corrections are done ←
16:54:25 <dgarijo> .. I haven't got a confirmation on the issues
.. I haven't got a confirmation on the issues ←
16:54:32 <pgroth> can we do prov-overview next?
Paul Groth: can we do prov-overview next? ←
16:54:45 <dgarijo> ... Issue from Robert, Stefan, they have to confirm.
... Issue from Robert, Stefan, they have to confirm. ←
16:55:01 <dgarijo> ... issues with the color scheme
... issues with the color scheme ←
16:55:12 <Luc> topic: PROV-DC
Summary: Simon and Craig have agreed to review prov-dc. We are asking reviewers to tell us before Thursday, whether the document is ready to be released as FPWD.
<Luc>Summary: Simon and Craig have agreed to review prov-dc. We are asking reviewers to tell us before Thursday, whether the document is ready to be released as FPWD.
16:55:14 <dgarijo> Luc: 5th of December is the deadline
Luc Moreau: 5th of December is the deadline ←
16:55:17 <dgarijo> smiles: ok
Simon Miles: ok ←
16:55:21 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:55:42 <dgarijo> pgroth: sent request to simon and craig. In a week
Paul Groth: sent request to simon and craig. In a week ←
16:56:34 <smiles> OK, will check regarding it is ready for FPWD by Thursday
Simon Miles: OK, will check regarding it is ready for FPWD by Thursday ←
16:56:45 <pgroth> q_
Paul Groth: q_ ←
16:56:47 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:57:21 <dgarijo> pgroth: craig sent a bit of a review. Daniel will implement it
Paul Groth: craig sent a bit of a review. Daniel will implement it ←
16:57:37 <pgroth> ack
Paul Groth: ack ←
16:57:39 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
16:57:45 <dgarijo> pgroth: concerns with changes after the deadline
Paul Groth: concerns with changes after the deadline ←
16:57:51 <dgarijo> Ivan, Luc: it's ok.
Ivan, Luc: it's ok. ←
16:57:57 <Luc> topic: other notes
Summary: The notes on mention and overview will be released during the week for fpwd vote on Thursday. Paolo agreed to comment on overview. Nobody on the call volunteer for mention: maybe Curt and Hook would be willing to look at it when ready?
<Luc>Summary: The notes on mention and overview will be released during the week for fpwd vote on Thursday. Paolo agreed to comment on overview. Nobody on the call volunteer for mention: maybe Curt and Hook would be willing to look at it when ready?
16:58:08 <dgarijo> Luc: overview, mention discussed
Luc Moreau: overview, mention discussed ←
16:58:16 <dgarijo> ... we want to have a vote next week
... we want to have a vote next week ←
16:58:35 <pgroth> it's one page :-)
Paul Groth: it's one page :-) ←
16:58:39 <pgroth> the overview
Paul Groth: the overview ←
16:58:46 <dgarijo> ... who would be willing to go through the overview/mention document
... who would be willing to go through the overview/mention document ←
16:58:47 <Paolo> Overview...
Paolo Missier: Overview... ←
16:58:59 <dgarijo> I would like to have a look at the overview too.
I would like to have a look at the overview too. ←
16:59:02 <Paolo> By when again?
Paolo Missier: By when again? ←
16:59:24 <dgarijo> Ivan: happy to look at the overview.
Ivan Herman: happy to look at the overview. ←
16:59:39 <Paolo> I will do it
Paolo Missier: I will do it ←
16:59:55 <dgarijo> Ivan: votes for that should not be a problem
Ivan Herman: votes for that should not be a problem ←
17:00:00 <pgroth> paolo it would be better if you could do mention
Paul Groth: paolo it would be better if you could do mention ←
17:00:05 <dgarijo> ... this is just a draft
... this is just a draft ←
17:00:21 <Paolo> Ok Paul fine by me
Paolo Missier: Ok Paul fine by me ←
17:00:23 <dgarijo> Luc: feedback for thursday
Luc Moreau: feedback for thursday ←
17:00:28 <pgroth> or can you do both?
Paul Groth: or can you do both? ←
17:00:38 <dgarijo> Luc: anybody for mention'
Luc Moreau: anybody for mention' ←
17:00:39 <dgarijo> ?
? ←
17:00:47 <Paolo> Yes If overview is slim I will
Paolo Missier: Yes If overview is slim I will ←
17:00:51 <pgroth> cool
Paul Groth: cool ←
17:00:54 <pgroth> overview is really 1 page
Paul Groth: overview is really 1 page ←
17:00:56 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
17:01:02 <dgarijo> Luc: will have to ask Curt
Luc Moreau: will have to ask Curt ←
17:01:16 <Luc> topic: Organization Ontology
Summary: Jun will draft a response to the GLD Working Group. It will be circulated to the PROV-WG for feedback and sent to GLD WG by Nov 25 (their LC deadline).
<Luc>Summary: Jun will draft a response to the GLD Working Group. It will be circulated to the PROV-WG for feedback and sent to GLD WG by Nov 25 (their LC deadline).
17:01:26 <dgarijo> Luc: Organization Ontology. The prov wg was asked to review this ontology.
Luc Moreau: Organization Ontology. The prov wg was asked to review this ontology. ←
17:01:43 <dgarijo> ... I sent my feedback to Jun, who was happy to produce a response. Jun?
... I sent my feedback to Jun, who was happy to produce a response. Jun? ←
17:01:51 <Luc> end of review Nov 25
Luc Moreau: end of review Nov 25 ←
17:02:04 <dgarijo> Jun: I haven't seen the response yet.
Jun Zhao: I haven't seen the response yet. ←
17:02:11 <dgarijo> ... I'll have a look
... I'll have a look ←
17:02:32 <pgroth> 25 November
Paul Groth: 25 November ←
17:02:34 <dgarijo> ... Ah I see it now. I'll take a look and come back to you
... Ah I see it now. I'll take a look and come back to you ←
17:03:01 <dgarijo> ... the review due by 25th of december. What is the process for us to respond?
... the review due by 25th of december. What is the process for us to respond? ←
17:03:35 <dgarijo> Ivan: the group should know what the response is
Ivan Herman: the group should know what the response is ←
17:03:54 <pgroth> ask for approval by the 25?
Paul Groth: ask for approval by the 25? ←
17:03:56 <jun> ok. I can get it done by Friday
Jun Zhao: ok. I can get it done by Friday ←
17:04:00 <pgroth> cool
Paul Groth: cool ←
17:04:00 <dgarijo> Luc: Jun, then you should draft the response so we can formally answer
Luc Moreau: Jun, then you should draft the response so we can formally answer ←
17:04:16 <dgarijo> jun: ok, will have it tomorrow
Jun Zhao: ok, will have it tomorrow ←
17:04:24 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
17:04:26 <pgroth> wow!
Paul Groth: wow! ←
17:04:39 <dgarijo> Luc: thanks all. See you
Luc Moreau: thanks all. See you ←
17:04:39 <pgroth> @luc I can't talk after this
Paul Groth: @luc I can't talk after this ←
17:04:41 <khalidBelhajjame> bye
Khalid Belhajjame: bye ←
17:04:42 <Paolo> Bye
Paolo Missier: Bye ←
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17:04:45 <ivan> zakim, drop me
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17:04:46 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
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17:04:46 <Luc> @pgroth ok
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17:04:47 <Dong> thanks, bye all
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