Minutes of last week's teleconference were approved.
Paul revised the CR Exit Criteria following last week's call (http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvCRExitCriteria). They were discussed and minor changes suggested. The group is invited to review them and provide feedback. Dong also drafted the process for prov-constraints implementors (http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/constraints/process.html). Feedback is also sought.
Answers to ISSUE-530, ISSUE-520, ISSUE-522, ISSUE-509, ISSUE-526, ISSUE-502 were circulated during the week and these issues were confirmed to be resolved. We then reviewed and approved the proposed split informative/normative for the PROV-DM document. It followed the guidance given to editors two weeks ago at the teleconference. It was confirmed that we want to keep the table in Appendix as normative, since it states which prov-dm terms maps to which prov-o/prov-n term. It was recognized that this table does not (and need not to) provide all the details required for the mapping. It was suggested that a similar table will also be required for prov-xml. Finally, it was discussed how the UML diagram in Figure 8 has been revised, no longer making explicit inheritance from Influence, so as to address an external comment (ISSUE-519 and ISSUE-523). The group is invited to review the changes during the coming week.
Stephan briefed the group on progress on the prov-xml schema and associated document.
14:52:29 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/11-prov-irc
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14:52:33 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV
Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV ←
14:52:33 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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14:52:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
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14:52:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:52:34 <trackbot> Date: 11 October 2012
14:52:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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14:52:47 <Luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.10.10
14:53:47 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public
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14:53:55 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
14:54:10 <Luc> Topic: admin
Summary: Minutes of last week's teleconference were approved.
<luc>Summary: Minutes of last week's teleconference were approved.
14:57:24 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started
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14:57:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:58:05 <pgroth> Zakim, who is on the call?
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14:58:21 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV
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14:58:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller]
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14:58:35 <Zakim> ok, pgroth, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started
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14:58:44 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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14:58:44 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
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14:59:38 <Zakim> +Luc
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14:59:52 <Zakim> +Curt_Tilmes
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15:00:31 <ivan> zakim, code?
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15:00:31 <Zakim> the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
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15:00:36 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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15:00:42 <Luc> hi I am looking for a scribe, thanks
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15:00:43 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
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15:00:45 <Luc> hi I am looking for a scribe, thanks
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15:01:00 <Luc> dong?
Luc Moreau: dong? ←
15:01:02 <Zakim> +ivan
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15:01:18 <Luc> @dong, can you scribe?
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15:01:38 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo
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15:01:50 <Luc> zakim, who is on the phone?
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15:01:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, Luc, Curt_Tilmes, MacTed (muted), ivan, Satya_Sahoo
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15:02:03 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aaaa
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15:02:20 <Luc> scribe: satya
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15:03:35 <Luc> proposed: to approve oct 04, 2012 minutes
PROPOSED: to approve oct 04, 2012 minutes ←
15:03:46 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:03:49 <smiles> 0
Simon Miles: 0 ←
15:03:51 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
15:03:53 <hook> +1
15:03:58 <Dong> @luc: sorry, just dialed in
Trung Huynh: @luc: sorry, just dialed in ←
15:04:04 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
15:04:05 <Dong> +1
Trung Huynh: +1 ←
15:04:20 <Luc> accepted: oct 04, 2012 minutes
RESOLVED: oct 04, 2012 minutes ←
15:04:38 <satya> Luc: Open Actions
Luc Moreau: Open Actions ←
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15:04:46 <ivan> issue-446?
15:04:46 <trackbot> ISSUE-446 -- prov:involvee not documented in PROV-O -- open
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15:04:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/446
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15:04:54 <satya> Luc: Action on Daniel regarding Issue 446
Luc Moreau: Action on Daniel regarding ISSUE-446 ←
15:05:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
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15:05:06 <satya> Luc: Daniel not on call
Luc Moreau: Daniel not on call ←
15:05:15 <satya> Luc: Action on Tim still open
Luc Moreau: Action on Tim still open ←
15:05:31 <Luc> @stian?
Luc Moreau: @stian? ←
15:05:41 <satya> Luc: Action on Stian still open
Luc Moreau: Action on Stian still open ←
15:05:57 <satya> Luc: Action on Paul to revise Exit criteria - completed
Luc Moreau: Action on Paul to revise Exit criteria - completed ←
15:06:03 <Luc> topic: CR Exit Criteria
Summary: Paul revised the CR Exit Criteria following last week's call (http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvCRExitCriteria). They were discussed and minor changes suggested. The group is invited to review them and provide feedback. Dong also drafted the process for prov-constraints implementors (http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/constraints/process.html). Feedback is also sought.
15:06:09 <satya> Luc: Next topic: PROV Exit Criteria
Luc Moreau: Next topic: PROV Exit Criteria ←
<luc> Summary: Paul revised the CR Exit Criteria following last week's call (http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvCRExitCriteria). They were discussed and minor changes suggested. The group is invited to review them and provide feedback. Dong also drafted the process for prov-constraints implementors (http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/constraints/process.html). Feedback is also sought.
15:06:20 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvCRExitCriteria
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvCRExitCriteria ←
15:06:47 <satya> Paul: New set of exit criteria proposed based on comments during last call
Paul Groth: New set of exit criteria proposed based on comments during last call ←
15:07:05 <satya> Paul: Exit criteria for PROV-O and PROV-N are same
Paul Groth: Exit criteria for PROV-O and PROV-N are same ←
15:07:23 <Luc> 'provenance feature' ? is same as 'feature'?
Luc Moreau: 'provenance feature' ? is same as 'feature'? ←
15:07:26 <satya> Paul: Reviewing the exit criteria points
Paul Groth: Reviewing the exit criteria points ←
15:07:34 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:08:36 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:08:41 <satya> Paul: Notes at the end of the page describes the type of implementations
Paul Groth: Notes at the end of the page describes the type of implementations ←
15:09:38 <satya> Paul: Features for models in the implementation are concepts in PROV-O and constraints in PROV-Constraints
Paul Groth: Features for models in the implementation are concepts in PROV-O and constraints in PROV-Constraints ←
15:10:03 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:10:08 <satya> Paul: Evidence to illustrate that the conceptual model was useful for the implementation
Paul Groth: Evidence to illustrate that the conceptual model was useful for the implementation ←
15:10:12 <Luc> ack iv
Luc Moreau: ack iv ←
15:10:44 <satya> Ivan: Clarify that two implementations should be independent (not from same department etc.)
Ivan Herman: Clarify that two implementations should be independent (not from same department etc.) ←
15:11:19 <satya> Luc: Developing two toolboxes - would they qualify to be independent?
Luc Moreau: Developing two toolboxes - would they qualify to be independent? ←
15:11:31 <pgroth> +Q
Paul Groth: +Q ←
15:11:32 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:11:39 <satya> Ivan: Depends on the relation between the toolbox and the implementation
Ivan Herman: Depends on the relation between the toolbox and the implementation ←
15:12:37 <satya> Paul: Downloaded the toolbox from Luc at VU Amsterdam - modified by student, does this qualify?
Paul Groth: Downloaded the toolbox from Luc at VU Amsterdam - modified by student, does this qualify? ←
15:12:58 <Luc> it is your student who decide which feature to use, and not the toolbox!
Luc Moreau: it is your student who decide which feature to use, and not the toolbox! ←
15:13:30 <satya> Ivan: Depends on the type of modifications
Ivan Herman: Depends on the type of modifications ←
15:13:58 <Zakim> +??P27
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15:14:02 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:14:06 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
15:14:12 <satya> Ivan: The W3C directors need to be convinced regarding independence of the implementations
Ivan Herman: The W3C directors need to be convinced regarding independence of the implementations ←
15:14:37 <hook> +q
15:14:49 <satya> Luc: Confusing to use different terms - use "feature" consistently
Luc Moreau: Confusing to use different terms - use "feature" consistently ←
15:14:52 <satya> Paul: Agree
Paul Groth: Agree ←
15:15:05 <zednik> q+
Stephan Zednik: q+ ←
15:15:17 <satya> Luc: Relevant to distinguish between types of implementations
Luc Moreau: Relevant to distinguish between types of implementations ←
15:15:30 <satya> Paul: Already cover that in the questionaire
Paul Groth: Already cover that in the questionaire ←
15:15:54 <Luc> ack hook
Luc Moreau: ack hook ←
15:15:55 <hook> http://semanticweb.org/wiki/RDFReactor
Hook Hua: http://semanticweb.org/wiki/RDFReactor ←
15:16:19 <pgroth> that's definitely an implemenatiaon
Paul Groth: that's definitely an implemenatiaon ←
15:16:52 <satya> Hook: Leveraged a tool to auto-generate provenance trace(?) - clarify if it is an implementation or data mining app?
Hook Hua: Leveraged a tool to auto-generate provenance trace(?) - clarify if it is an implementation or data mining app? ←
15:17:07 <satya> Paul: It should qualify as an implementation
Paul Groth: It should qualify as an implementation ←
15:17:29 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:17:46 <Luc> is there a requirement to make the code available?
Luc Moreau: is there a requirement to make the code available? ←
15:17:55 <Zakim> + +1.713.754.aabb
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15:18:00 <pgroth> no
Paul Groth: no ←
15:18:03 <Luc> ok
Luc Moreau: ok ←
15:18:14 <pgroth> the only thing is that you right a report
Paul Groth: the only thing is that you write a report ←
15:18:22 <pgroth> s/right/write/
15:18:30 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:18:37 <satya> Hook: The implementation ensures that the traces are PROV-O compliant
Hook Hua: The implementation ensures that the traces are PROV-O compliant ←
15:19:26 <pgroth> +q
Paul Groth: +q ←
15:19:27 <satya> StephanZ: Add a point to questionaire to describe the tool used in the implementation
Stephan Zednik: Add a point to questionaire to describe the tool used in the implementation ←
15:19:32 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:19:33 <satya> Luc: Agree
Luc Moreau: Agree ←
15:19:35 <Luc> ack ze
Luc Moreau: ack ze ←
15:20:11 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
15:20:40 <satya> Paul: Do we have question in questionaire to explicitly describe use of PROV?
Paul Groth: Do we have question in questionaire to explicitly describe use of PROV? ←
15:21:18 <satya> Luc: What is evidence of the conceptual model being helpful
Luc Moreau: What is evidence of the conceptual model being helpful ←
15:21:35 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:21:59 <satya> Paul: Self-reported description in the implementation documentation
Paul Groth: Self-reported description in the implementation documentation ←
15:22:03 <satya> Luc: What is the next step?
Luc Moreau: What is the next step? ←
15:22:52 <satya> Paul: Up for discussion till next telcon
Paul Groth: Up for discussion till next telcon ←
15:23:24 <satya> Paul: Dong will have example documentation for submission process of implementations
Paul Groth: Dong will have example documentation for submission process of implementations ←
15:23:44 <satya> Luc: What documentation needs to be created?
Luc Moreau: What documentation needs to be created? ←
15:24:02 <satya> Ivan: Current documentation/wiki by Paul is fine
Ivan Herman: Current documentation/wiki by Paul is fine ←
15:24:06 <hook> regarding decoupling models being helpful: the ISO community also takes this approach of decoupling models from encodings. has been quite useful, particularly for ISO 19115:2003 Geographic information -- Metadata http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=26020
Hook Hua: regarding decoupling models being helpful: the ISO community also takes this approach of decoupling models from encodings. has been quite useful, particularly for ISO 19115:2003 Geographic information -- Metadata http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=26020 ←
15:24:27 <satya> Luc: Cataloging of test cases
Luc Moreau: Cataloging of test cases ←
15:24:33 <Dong> The draft test process here: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/constraints/process.html
Trung Huynh: The draft test process here: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/constraints/process.html ←
15:25:29 <satya> Paul: Dong has set of test cases available on web site - implementation will output text file, which will be evaluated (pass/fail)
Paul Groth: Dong has set of test cases available on web site - implementation will output text file, which will be evaluated (pass/fail) ←
15:25:38 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:25:40 <pgroth> thanks Dong!
Paul Groth: thanks Dong! ←
15:26:09 <satya> Luc: Is this approach used only for constraints?
Luc Moreau: Is this approach used only for constraints? ←
15:26:30 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:26:36 <satya> Paul: Yes, for other features we will use Stephan's questionnaire
Paul Groth: Yes, for other features we will use Stephan's questionnaire ←
15:27:02 <pgroth> other than me and you
Paul Groth: other than me and you ←
15:27:03 <pgroth> ?
Paul Groth: ? ←
15:27:03 <satya> Luc: Feedback from implementors of constraints?
Luc Moreau: Feedback from implementors of constraints? ←
15:27:12 <jcheney> not sure i'll have time, paolo is interested
James Cheney: not sure i'll have time, paolo is interested ←
15:27:34 <jcheney> reza had mentioned at f2f3 that oracle is interested; his recent email seems to back this up
James Cheney: reza had mentioned at f2f3 that oracle is interested; his recent email seems to back this up ←
15:27:43 <jun> q+
15:27:45 <satya> Luc: Concerned that WG may not have enough implementations
Luc Moreau: Concerned that WG may not have enough implementations ←
15:27:46 <pgroth> +q
Paul Groth: +q ←
15:28:06 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:28:41 <Luc> ack jun
Luc Moreau: ack jun ←
15:28:56 <satya> Jun: Has implemented some of the constraints - uses SPARQL queries to create collection of test cases for identifying violations of constraints
Jun Zhao: Has implemented some of the constraints - uses SPARQL queries to create collection of test cases for identifying violations of constraints ←
15:29:07 <pgroth> yes
Paul Groth: yes ←
15:29:15 <CraigTrim> zakim, who is on the phone?
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15:29:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, Luc, Curt_Tilmes, MacTed (muted), ivan, Satya_Sahoo, +1.818.731.aaaa, jcheney, [IPcaller], Dong, ??P1, [IPcaller.a], ??P27, +1.713.754.aabb
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15:29:31 <pgroth> good point
Paul Groth: good point ←
15:29:38 <jun> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/constraints/process.html
Jun Zhao: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/constraints/process.html ←
15:29:48 <satya> Jun: Not sure about some of the points in Table 2 of constraint testing process
Jun Zhao: Not sure about some of the points in Table 2 of constraint testing process ←
15:30:08 <CraigTrim> CraigTrim: zakim, I am aabb
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15:30:15 <CraigTrim> zakim, I am aabb
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15:30:19 <Luc> shouldn't identifiers be uris?
Luc Moreau: shouldn't identifiers be uris? ←
15:30:31 <satya> Paul: Agree, some of the points need to be reviewed
Paul Groth: Agree, some of the points need to be reviewed ←
15:30:45 <Dong> Thanks Paul
Trung Huynh: Thanks Paul ←
15:30:57 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:31:14 <Dong> The 2nd column is meant to list the constraints each test case cover
Trung Huynh: The 2nd column is meant to list the constraints each test case cover ←
15:31:33 <satya> Luc: Need to clarify the naming issue (?)
Luc Moreau: Need to clarify the naming issue (?) ←
15:31:59 <pgroth> @jun excited that you are doing the constraints
Paul Groth: @jun excited that you are doing the constraints ←
15:32:00 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:32:05 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
15:32:36 <satya> Paul: Do not intend to implement all the constraints
Paul Groth: Do not intend to implement all the constraints ←
15:32:56 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:32:57 <Dong> BTW, building a complete test suite takes significant effort, I'd like to invite anyone who has constructed test cases for constraints to share them with the group
Trung Huynh: BTW, building a complete test suite takes significant effort, I'd like to invite anyone who has constructed test cases for constraints to share them with the group ←
15:32:59 <satya> Paul: Hence, need more implementors
Paul Groth: Hence, need more implementors ←
15:33:25 <satya> Jun: Implementation is in context of the Workflow4Ever project
Jun Zhao: Implementation is in context of the Workflow4Ever project ←
15:33:47 <pgroth> ack
Paul Groth: ack ←
15:33:49 <pgroth> sorry
Paul Groth: sorry ←
15:34:01 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:34:05 <satya> Luc: Review the document and provide feedback
Luc Moreau: Review the document and provide feedback ←
15:34:10 <Luc> topic: prov-dm issues
Summary: Answers to ISSUE-530, ISSUE-520, ISSUE-522, ISSUE-509, ISSUE-526, ISSUE-502 were circulated during the week and these issues were confirmed to be resolved. We then reviewed and approved the proposed split informative/normative for the PROV-DM document. It followed the guidance given to editors two weeks ago at the teleconference. It was confirmed that we want to keep the table in Appendix as normative, since it states which prov-dm terms maps to which prov-o/prov-n term. It was recognized that this table does not (and need not to) provide all the details required for the mapping. It was suggested that a similar table will also be required for prov-xml. Finally, it was discussed how the UML diagram in Figure 8 has been revised, no longer making explicit inheritance from Influence, so as to address an external comment (ISSUE-519 and ISSUE-523). The group is invited to review the changes during the coming week.
<luc>Summary: Answers to ISSUE-530, ISSUE-520, ISSUE-522, ISSUE-509, ISSUE-526, ISSUE-502 were circulated during the week and these issues were confirmed to be resolved. We then reviewed and approved the proposed split informative/normative for the PROV-DM document. It followed the guidance given to editors two weeks ago at the teleconference. It was confirmed that we want to keep the table in Appendix as normative, since it states which prov-dm terms maps to which prov-o/prov-n term. It was recognized that this table does not (and need not to) provide all the details required for the mapping. It was suggested that a similar table will also be required for prov-xml. Finally, it was discussed how the UML diagram in Figure 8 has been revised, no longer making explicit inheritance from Influence, so as to address an external comment (ISSUE-519 and ISSUE-523). The group is invited to review the changes during the coming week.
15:34:18 <satya> Luc: Next item: PROV-DM issues
Luc Moreau: Next item: PROV-DM issues ←
15:34:47 <Luc> ISSUE-530, ISSUE-520, ISSUE-522, ISSUE-509, ISSUE-526, ISSUE-502
Luc Moreau: ISSUE-530, ISSUE-520, ISSUE-522, ISSUE-509, ISSUE-526, ISSUE-502 ←
15:34:56 <satya> Luc: all feedback have been incorporated, confirm that the group is happy with the following issues:
Luc Moreau: all feedback have been incorporated, confirm that the group is happy with the following issues: ←
15:35:17 <ivan> ISSUE-530?
15:35:17 <trackbot> ISSUE-530 -- Data Model Section 5.7.2 (Table 6) -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-530 -- Data Model Section 5.7.2 (Table 6) -- open ←
15:35:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/530
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/530 ←
15:35:22 <ivan> Issue-520?
15:35:22 <trackbot> ISSUE-520 -- Data Model Section 5.3.1 -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-520 -- Data Model Section 5.3.1 -- open ←
15:35:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/520
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/520 ←
15:35:29 <ivan> ISSUE-522?
15:35:29 <trackbot> ISSUE-522 -- Data Model Section 5.3.4 -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-522 -- Data Model Section 5.3.4 -- open ←
15:35:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/522
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/522 ←
15:35:37 <ivan> ISSue-509?
Ivan Herman: ISSue-509? ←
15:35:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-509 -- Data Model Figure 5 -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-509 -- Data Model Figure 5 -- open ←
15:35:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/509
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/509 ←
15:35:41 <ivan> Issue-526?
15:35:41 <trackbot> ISSUE-526 -- Data Model Section 5.5.2 -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-526 -- Data Model Section 5.5.2 -- open ←
15:35:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/526
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/526 ←
15:35:46 <ivan> issue-502?
15:35:46 <trackbot> ISSUE-502 -- Data Model Section 2.1.2 -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-502 -- Data Model Section 2.1.2 -- open ←
15:35:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/502
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/502 ←
15:35:57 <satya> Luc: Confirm there is agreement on this issues
Luc Moreau: Confirm there is agreement on this issues ←
15:36:37 <satya> SimonM: Yes
Simon Miles: Yes ←
15:36:47 <Luc> proposed: ISSUE-530, ISSUE-520, ISSUE-522, ISSUE-509, ISSUE-526, ISSUE-502 are confirmed to be resolved
PROPOSED: ISSUE-530, ISSUE-520, ISSUE-522, ISSUE-509, ISSUE-526, ISSUE-502 are confirmed to be resolved ←
15:37:02 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
15:37:02 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
15:37:03 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:37:09 <Dong> +1
Trung Huynh: +1 ←
15:37:23 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
15:37:27 <jun> +1
15:37:31 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:37:42 <Luc> accepted: ISSUE-530, ISSUE-520, ISSUE-522, ISSUE-509, ISSUE-526, ISSUE-502 are confirmed to be resolved
RESOLVED: ISSUE-530, ISSUE-520, ISSUE-522, ISSUE-509, ISSUE-526, ISSUE-502 are confirmed to be resolved ←
15:37:54 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Oct/0051.html
Luc Moreau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Oct/0051.html ←
15:37:59 <satya> Luc: Next item: Normative sections in PROV-DM
Luc Moreau: Next item: Normative sections in PROV-DM ←
15:38:11 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/diff/998d228b4a8e/model/prov-dm.html
Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/diff/998d228b4a8e/model/prov-dm.html ←
15:38:53 <satya> Luc: Introduced a new section on compliance in the document and identifies normative sections
Luc Moreau: Introduced a new section on compliance in the document and identifies normative sections ←
15:39:07 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:39:51 <satya> Luc: Should Appendix A be normative?
Luc Moreau: Should Appendix A be normative? ←
15:39:59 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:40:01 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:40:19 <satya> Ivan: This should be normative
Ivan Herman: This should be normative ←
15:40:23 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:40:37 <Luc> ack iv
Luc Moreau: ack iv ←
15:40:38 <pgroth> q+ to ask about namespace
Paul Groth: q+ to ask about namespace ←
15:40:43 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:40:50 <jcheney> q+
James Cheney: q+ ←
15:40:59 <satya> Paul: Should namespace be normative?
Paul Groth: Should namespace be normative? ←
15:41:04 <satya> Luc: It is
Luc Moreau: It is ←
15:41:08 <ivan> ack pgroth
Ivan Herman: ack pgroth ←
15:41:08 <Zakim> pgroth, you wanted to ask about namespace
Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth, you wanted to ask about namespace ←
15:41:24 <pgroth> 5.74
Paul Groth: 5.74 ←
15:41:26 <pgroth> got it
Paul Groth: got it ←
15:42:06 <Luc> ack jc
Luc Moreau: ack jc ←
15:42:10 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:42:10 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
15:42:14 <satya> JamesC: Not sure if the table is enough to ensure that users are following it
James Cheney: Not sure if the table is enough to ensure that users are following it ←
15:42:36 <satya> Ivan: The documents (PROV-O) have the details
Ivan Herman: The documents (PROV-O) have the details ←
15:42:48 <Dong> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#cross-references-to-prov-o-and-prov-n
Trung Huynh: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#cross-references-to-prov-o-and-prov-n ←
15:44:34 <satya> JamesC: What instructions are present for implementors?
James Cheney: What instructions are present for implementors? ←
15:45:00 <satya> Ivan: No users will implement the mappings
Ivan Herman: No users will implement the mappings ←
15:45:18 <satya> JamesC: Ok, was just wondering if there are additional requirements for implementation
James Cheney: Ok, was just wondering if there are additional requirements for implementation ←
15:45:23 <satya> Ivan: No
Ivan Herman: No ←
15:45:24 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
15:45:40 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
15:45:59 <satya> Luc: Table is relevant for mapping from one serialization to another
Luc Moreau: Table is relevant for mapping from one serialization to another ←
15:46:14 <satya> Ivan: Yes (should not be present in the exit criteria)
Ivan Herman: Yes (should not be present in the exit criteria) ←
15:46:24 <jcheney> OK, so I'm happy with "this table is the starting point", as long as it's clear that it's not (meant to be) a complete spec of the mapping
James Cheney: OK, so I'm happy with "this table is the starting point", as long as it's clear that it's not (meant to be) a complete spec of the mapping ←
15:47:00 <jcheney> Perhaps PROV-XML should have such a table too if it doesn't already
James Cheney: Perhaps PROV-XML should have such a table too if it doesn't already ←
15:47:04 <satya> Paul: Having this section as normative helps the users
Paul Groth: Having this section as normative helps the users ←
15:47:09 <Luc> proposed: to accept the split normative/informative in the current editor's draft of prov-dm
PROPOSED: to accept the split normative/informative in the current editor's draft of prov-dm ←
15:47:12 <ivan> +1 to James
Ivan Herman: +1 to James ←
15:47:13 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:47:15 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
15:47:15 <satya> +1
+1 ←
15:47:28 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
15:47:30 <Dong> +1
Trung Huynh: +1 ←
15:47:31 <pgroth> +1
Paul Groth: +1 ←
15:47:32 <CraigTrim> +1
Craig Trim: +1 ←
15:47:37 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:47:48 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
15:48:00 <Luc> accepted: the split normative/informative in the current editor's draft of prov-dm
RESOLVED: the split normative/informative in the current editor's draft of prov-dm ←
15:48:14 <satya> Ivan/Luc: Have a mapping table in PROV-XML
Ivan/Luc: Have a mapping table in PROV-XML ←
15:48:36 <ivan> great satya
Ivan Herman: great satya ←
15:49:00 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Oct/0050.html
Luc Moreau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Oct/0050.html ←
15:49:11 <satya> Paul: Updates on the DC and XML in the mailing list
Paul Groth: Updates on the DC and XML in the mailing list ←
15:49:32 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Sep/0109.html
Luc Moreau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Sep/0109.html ←
15:49:36 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Sep/0113.html
Luc Moreau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Sep/0113.html ←
15:49:44 <pgroth> @Curt/hook/stephan - can you send a brief update on the list on the status of xml?
Paul Groth: @Curt/hook/stephan - can you send a brief update on the list on the status of xml? ←
15:49:45 <Luc> ISSUE-519 and ISSUE-523 (Influence Inheritance)
Luc Moreau: ISSUE-519 and ISSUE-523 (Influence Inheritance) ←
15:49:52 <satya> Luc: Next item: Original issues raised by Robert
Luc Moreau: Next item: Original issues raised by Robert ←
15:50:56 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.818.731.aaaa ←
15:52:08 <satya> Luc: Discussing the raised issue, added an extra table for the relations (influencer and influencee)
Luc Moreau: Discussing the raised issue, added an extra table for the relations (influencer and influencee) ←
15:52:09 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/diff/9fb92e012cec/model/prov-dm.html
Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/diff/9fb92e012cec/model/prov-dm.html ←
15:52:18 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:52:19 <pgroth> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/b276b292cd9d/model/prov-dm.html#component3
Paul Groth: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/b276b292cd9d/model/prov-dm.html#component3 ←
15:52:29 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
15:53:24 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
15:53:45 <satya> Luc: Early feedback can be incorporated before next review
Luc Moreau: Early feedback can be incorporated before next review ←
15:54:12 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
15:54:53 <Luc> wasDerivedFrom(e2,e1) implies wasInfluencedBy(e2,e1)
Luc Moreau: wasDerivedFrom(e2,e1) implies wasInfluencedBy(e2,e1) ←
15:55:11 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:55:28 <pgroth> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/b276b292cd9d/model/prov-dm.html#mapping-relations-to-influence-table
Paul Groth: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/b276b292cd9d/model/prov-dm.html#mapping-relations-to-influence-table ←
15:56:48 <satya> Ivan: This is basically a subPropertyOf correspondence between the properties
Ivan Herman: This is basically a subPropertyOf correspondence between the properties ←
15:56:54 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:56:57 <Luc> ack ivan
Luc Moreau: ack ivan ←
15:56:57 <satya> Luc: Yes
Luc Moreau: Yes ←
15:56:59 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:57:12 <satya> Luc: Feedback on the proposal
Luc Moreau: Feedback on the proposal ←
15:57:27 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:57:50 <satya> Ivan: Is this an editorial change for clarification
Ivan Herman: Is this an editorial change for clarification ←
15:57:53 <satya> Luc: Yes
Luc Moreau: Yes ←
15:58:13 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:58:16 <Luc> ack iva
Luc Moreau: ack iva ←
15:58:38 <Luc> topic: prov-xml
Summary: Stephan briefed the group on progress on the prov-xml schema and associated document.
<luc>Summary: Stephan briefed the group on progress on the prov-xml schema and associated document.
15:58:46 <satya> Luc: Next item: PROV-XML
Luc Moreau: Next item: PROV-XML ←
15:58:48 <pgroth> next week
Paul Groth: next week ←
15:59:41 <satya> StephanZ: Discussed feedback from implementations (e.g. Luc) and updated schema
Stephan Zednik: Discussed feedback from implementations (e.g. Luc) and updated schema ←
16:00:25 <satya> StephanZ: Created tools to build automated html pages from concepts descriptions (?)
Stephan Zednik: Created tools to build automated html pages from concepts descriptions (?) ←
16:00:46 <satya> StephanZ: Updates based on feedback progressing smoothly
Stephan Zednik: Updates based on feedback progressing smoothly ←
16:01:16 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:01:48 <ivan> thanks to all, bye
Ivan Herman: thanks to all, bye ←
16:01:52 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
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16:01:53 <jun> bye
16:01:54 <Zakim> -ivan
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16:01:59 <Dong> thanks, bye
Trung Huynh: thanks, bye ←
16:01:59 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes
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16:01:59 <jcheney> bye
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16:02:00 <Zakim> -MacTed
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16:02:26 <Zakim> -pgroth
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16:02:29 <Zakim> -Luc
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16:02:40 <Luc> rrsagent, set log public
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, set log public ←
16:02:44 <Luc> rrsagent, draft minutes
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:02:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/11-prov-minutes.html Luc
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16:02:47 <Luc> trackbot, end telcon
Luc Moreau: trackbot, end telcon ←
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16:02:52 <Zakim> Attendees were pgroth, Luc, Curt_Tilmes, MacTed, ivan, Satya_Sahoo, +1.818.731.aaaa, jcheney, [IPcaller], +1.713.754.aabb, CraigTrim
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