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Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 19 July 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.07.19
Seen
Christine Runnegar, Curt Tilmes, Daniel Garijo, Graham Klyne, Hook Hua, James Cheney, Luc Moreau, Paolo Missier, Paul Groth, Sandro Hawke, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Stian Soiland-Reyes, Timothy Lebo, Tom De Nies, Trung Huynh
Regrets
Curt Tilmes, Hook Hua, Stephan Zednik, Graham Klyne, Sandro Hawke
Chair
Paul Groth
Scribe
Tom De Nies
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of the July 05, 2012 Telecon link
  2. Minutes of the July 12, 2012 Telecon link
  3. for the owl file that comes back from the prov namespace - (solution 2.2. ) Use owl:import and return full merge of PROV-O and all Notes link
Topics
  1. Admin

    Minutes of last two weeks of meetings approved.

  2. Prov-Constraints

    Prov-constraints document to be available Friday, July 20th for review by the group for release as last call. Simon, Stian, Tim, and Paul agreed to review. One week was given for the review period. August 2nd would be the vote on releasing as last call.

  3. Draft of Dublin Core Mappings

    Daniel is working on putting the mappings in W3C Note style is hopeful to have this done by next week. Daniel will make this available as an Editor's draft. A more formal review of the document for release as a working draft will be done in September.

  4. XML Schema

    From a note in the agenda, Hook, Stephan and Curt will be reviewing the current version of the xml schema July 20. Luc will get in touch with them to see what they aim to do. He will also make the xml schema available and request comments.

  5. Dictionary

    A rough editor's draft of the Dictionary Note has been made. Stian will be editing the Note and working on it at the end of August/beginning of September. Paolo, Tim agreed to help.

  6. Timetable

    For the month of August volunteers were signed up for handling incoming public comments on the last call releases.

  7. Prov Namespace

    The group adopted a resolution on an approach for handling what owl gets returned on dereferencing the provenance namespace.

  8. Etc

    A discussion on exit criteria was delayed to next week. The group was asked to think about their implementations. In addition, Tim asked about the process of editing after Last Call. Paul agreed to check on the process.

15:03:05 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/07/19-prov-irc

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15:03:09 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be

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15:03:10 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

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15:03:10 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:03:11 <trackbot> Date: 19 July 2012
15:03:13 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV

Paul Groth: Zakim, this will be PROV

15:03:13 <Zakim> ok, pgroth, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pgroth, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started

15:03:28 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.07.19
15:03:36 <Zakim> +??P30

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15:03:41 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
15:03:42 <TomDN> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Tom De Nies: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:03:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomDN, ??P2, Luc, ??P11, stain, ??P25, ??P27, ??P30

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see TomDN, ??P2, Luc, ??P11, stain, ??P25, ??P27, ??P30

15:03:47 <pgroth> Scribe: TomDN

(Scribe set to Tom De Nies)

15:03:49 <Zakim> -??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P25

15:03:57 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P25 is me

Paul Groth: Zakim, ??P25 is me

15:03:57 <Zakim> I already had ??P25 as ??P25, pgroth

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P25 as ??P25, pgroth

15:04:11 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public

Paul Groth: rrsagent, make logs public

15:04:28 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25

15:04:32 <stain> I'm amazed - Zakim recognized me today..

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I'm amazed - Zakim recognized me today..

15:04:37 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P25 is me

Daniel Garijo: Zakim, ??P25 is me

15:04:37 <Zakim> + +44.131.467.aaaa - is perhaps jcheney?

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.131.467.aaaa - is perhaps jcheney?

15:04:37 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it

15:04:52 <TomDN> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me

15:04:52 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

15:04:59 <pgroth> Regrets: Curt Tilmes, Hook Hua, Stephan Zednik, Graham Klyne, Sandro Hawke
15:05:06 <jcheney> zakim, aaaa is me

James Cheney: zakim, aaaa is me

15:05:07 <pgroth> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

Summary: Minutes of last two weeks of meetings approved.

<pgroth> Summary: Minutes of last two weeks of meetings approved.
15:05:11 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

15:05:18 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-07-05

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-07-05

15:05:21 <jcheney> zakim, +44.131.467.aaaa is me

James Cheney: zakim, +44.131.467.aaaa is me

15:05:23 <pgroth> Minutes of the July 05, 2012 Telecon

Paul Groth: Minutes of the July 05, 2012 Telecon

15:05:24 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named '+44.131.467.aaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named '+44.131.467.aaaa'

15:05:27 <Luc> zakim, who is here?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here?

15:05:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomDN (muted), ??P2, Luc, ??P11, stain, ??P27, ??P30, dgarijo, jcheney?

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see TomDN (muted), ??P2, Luc, ??P11, stain, ??P27, ??P30, dgarijo, jcheney?

15:05:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see christine, RRSAgent, dgarijo, jcheney, Zakim, Paolo, smiles, Luc, Dong, pgroth, TomDN, MacTed, trackbot, stain, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see christine, RRSAgent, dgarijo, jcheney, Zakim, Paolo, smiles, Luc, Dong, pgroth, TomDN, MacTed, trackbot, stain, sandro

15:05:36 <TomDN> +0 (did not attend)

+0 (did not attend)

15:05:41 <smiles> 0

Simon Miles: 0

15:05:42 <dgarijo> +0

Daniel Garijo: +0

15:05:49 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:05:51 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:05:59 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:06:19 <pgroth> accepted: Minutes of the July 05, 2012 Telecon

RESOLVED: Minutes of the July 05, 2012 Telecon

15:06:26 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-07-12

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-07-12

15:06:39 <pgroth> Minutes of the July 12, 2012 Telecon

Paul Groth: Minutes of the July 12, 2012 Telecon

15:06:51 <smiles> 0

Simon Miles: 0

15:06:53 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:06:59 <dgarijo> 0

Daniel Garijo: 0

15:07:00 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:07:06 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:07:31 <Zakim> +??P38

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P38

15:07:50 <pgroth> accepted: Minutes of the July 12, 2012 Telecon

RESOLVED: Minutes of the July 12, 2012 Telecon

15:07:52 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:08:21 <TomDN> pgroth: Paolo and Paul still have an action

Paul Groth: Paulo and Paul still have an action

15:08:34 <pgroth> s/Paolo/Paulo/
15:08:41 <Zakim> + +238055aabb

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15:08:48 <pgroth> Topic: Prov-Constraints

2. Prov-Constraints

Summary: Prov-constraints document to be available Friday, July 20th for review by the group for release as last call. Simon, Stian, Tim, and Paul agreed to review. One week was given for the review period. August 2nd would be the vote on releasing as last call.

<pgroth> Summary: Prov-constraints document to be available Friday, July 20th for review by the group for release as last call. Simon, Stian, Tim, and Paul agreed to review. One week was given for the review period. August 2nd would be the vote on releasing as last call.
15:09:11 <TomDN> pgroth: There has been a lot of email traffic on the constraints, and we're trying to get something out for review

Paul Groth: There has been a lot of email traffic on the constraints, and we're trying to get something out for review

15:09:39 <TomDN> jcheney: There's a clear plan to release something for review in the next day or two

James Cheney: There's a clear plan to release something for review in the next day or two

15:09:49 <jcheney> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-constraints.html

James Cheney: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-constraints.html

15:09:55 <TomDN> luc: aim for release for internal review is tomorrow

Luc Moreau: aim for release for internal review is tomorrow

15:10:48 <TomDN> jcheney: There's been some discussion on the mailing list and some off-line discussion, but most results will be incorporated in the document for review

James Cheney: There's been some discussion on the mailing list and some off-line discussion, but most results will be incorporated in the document for review

15:11:09 <TomDN> pgroth: By when would this be reviewed?

Paul Groth: By when would this be reviewed?

15:11:37 <TomDN> jcheney: goal is to get release LC on august 2nd

James Cheney: goal is to vote on release LC on august 2nd

15:11:48 <TomDN> s/get/vote on
15:12:10 <TomDN> luc: reviews would be due by next Friday (July 27th)

Luc Moreau: reviews would be due by next Friday (July 27th)

15:12:42 <TomDN> jcheney: hopefully minor things after review can be fixed by august 2nd

James Cheney: hopefully minor things after review can be fixed by august 2nd

15:13:07 <TomDN> ... Hopefully no problems that are too big arise

... Hopefully no problems that are too big arise

15:13:10 <Luc> could we ask GK to do it?

Luc Moreau: could we ask GK to do it?

15:13:14 <smiles> I will

Simon Miles: I will

15:13:16 <stain> I will

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I will

15:13:37 <christine> Not sure I am suitably technically qualified to do a review.

Christine Runnegar: Not sure I am suitably technically qualified to do a review.

15:14:00 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:14:06 <stain> @christine - why not give it a go - that might be a good position to review from as well?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: @christine - why not give it a go - that might be a good position to review from as well?

15:14:57 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:15:13 <TomDN> luc: I'm a bit concerned about the timetable. We will have to discuss off-line that it's possible.

Luc Moreau: I'm a bit concerned about the timetable. We will have to discuss off-line that it's possible.

15:15:19 <pgroth> reviewers - simon, stain, paul for prov-constraints

Paul Groth: reviewers - simon, stain, paul for prov-constraints

15:15:27 <Dong> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Trung Huynh: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:15:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomDN (muted), ??P2, Luc, ??P11, stain, ??P27, ??P30, dgarijo, jcheney?, ??P38, +238055aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see TomDN (muted), ??P2, Luc, ??P11, stain, ??P27, ??P30, dgarijo, jcheney?, ??P38, +238055aabb

15:15:28 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:15:32 <Zakim> +tlebo

Zakim IRC Bot: +tlebo

15:15:45 <TomDN> pgroth: thanks to all who are working on it

Paul Groth: thanks to all who are working on it

15:15:45 <pgroth> Topic: Draft of Dublin Core Mappings

3. Draft of Dublin Core Mappings

Summary: Daniel is working on putting the mappings in W3C Note style is hopeful to have this done by next week. Daniel will make this available as an Editor's draft. A more formal review of the document for release as a working draft will be done in September.

<pgroth> Summary: Daniel is working on putting the mappings in W3C Note style is hopeful to have this done by next week. Daniel will make this available as an Editor's draft. A more formal review of the document for release as a working draft will be done in September.
15:16:24 <TomDN> dgarijo: I'm working on it, will deliver it in the next days

Daniel Garijo: I'm working on it, will deliver it in the next days

15:17:02 <TomDN> ... By beginning of next week. I'd like some people to review it then

... By beginning of next week. I'd like some people to review it then

15:17:56 <TomDN> pgroth: It would be nice to have it as a working draft (note) before august, but might not be possible

Paul Groth: It would be nice to have it as a working draft (note) before august, but might not be possible

15:18:16 <TomDN> dgarijo: Should be no problem, since I am working on it alone

Daniel Garijo: Should be no problem, since I am working on it alone

15:18:42 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:18:59 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:19:00 <TomDN> pgroth: We need to get it into W3C format, include a link in the working draft list, and then get people's reviews/comments on it

Paul Groth: We need to get it into W3C format, include a link in the working draft list, and then get people's reviews/comments on it

15:19:09 <TomDN> ... Comments on this?

... Comments on this?

15:19:11 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:19:56 <pgroth> plan is to have an editor's draft early next week

Paul Groth: plan is to have an editor's draft early next week

15:20:00 <TomDN> Luc: Sounds good. If we get a document ready for internal release by early September, that's good.

Luc Moreau: Sounds good. If we get a document ready for internal release by early September, that's good.

15:20:12 <pgroth> a formal review process in sept

Paul Groth: a formal review process in sept

15:20:45 <TomDN> pgroth: We have a number of other working drafts

Paul Groth: We have a number of other working drafts

15:21:22 <stain> I would want to talk about Dictionary draft afterwards to figure out the who/when bit

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I would want to talk about Dictionary draft afterwards to figure out the who/when bit

15:21:24 <TomDN> ... First: Working draft XML

... First: Working draft XML

15:21:34 <TomDN> ... Has this team been in contact with Luc?

... Has this team been in contact with Luc?

15:21:46 <pgroth> Topic: XML Schema

4. XML Schema

Summary: From a note in the agenda, Hook, Stephan and Curt will be reviewing the current version of the xml schema July 20. Luc will get in touch with them to see what they aim to do. He will also make the xml schema available and request comments.

<pgroth> Summary: From a note in the agenda, Hook, Stephan and Curt will be reviewing the current version of the xml schema July 20. Luc will get in touch with them to see what they aim to do. He will also make the xml schema available and request comments.
15:21:58 <TomDN> Luc: Stephan has been in touch to ask for draft XML schema. I don't know what the next step is.

Luc Moreau: Stephan has been in touch to ask for draft XML schema. I don't know what the next step is.

15:22:27 <TomDN> pgroth: Let's talk about this next week, hopefully they will be on the call then.

Paul Groth: Let's talk about this next week, hopefully they will be on the call then.

15:22:28 <stain> feedback on what.. where is it?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: feedback on what.. where is it?

15:22:56 <TomDN> Luc: Maybe also ask for feedback on the draft XML schema by then as well

Luc Moreau: Maybe also ask for feedback on the draft XML schema by then as well

15:23:09 <TomDN> ... We will put it on the wiki

... We will put it on the wiki

15:23:09 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:23:24 <pgroth> Topic: Dictionary

5. Dictionary

Summary: A rough editor's draft of the Dictionary Note has been made. Stian will be editing the Note and working on it at the end of August/beginning of September. Paolo, Tim agreed to help.

<pgroth> Summary: A rough editor's draft of the Dictionary Note has been made. Stian will be editing the Note and working on it at the end of August/beginning of September. Paolo, Tim agreed to help.
15:23:55 <stain> zakim, who is noisy?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: zakim, who is noisy?

15:24:01 <TomDN> pgroth: We agreed to put dictionaries into a separate note

Paul Groth: We agreed to put dictionaries into a separate note

15:24:03 <stain> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dictionary.html

Stian Soiland-Reyes: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dictionary.html

15:24:08 <Zakim> stain, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P27 (83%)

Zakim IRC Bot: stain, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P27 (83%)

15:24:15 <TomDN> ... Who's working on it, and what's the timeline?

... Who's working on it, and what's the timeline?

15:24:51 <TomDN> (sorry, who is speaking?)

(sorry, who is speaking?)

15:25:01 <TomDN> thanks

thanks

15:25:14 <tlebo> Stian is speaking

Timothy Lebo: Stian is speaking

15:25:25 <tlebo> stain ?

Timothy Lebo: stain ?

15:25:42 <TomDN> stain: I volunteered to be editor on this, but nothing has really lifted off yet

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I volunteered to be editor on this, but nothing has really lifted off yet

15:25:56 <TomDN> ... I would have time in august, and could use some people to help on this.

... I would have time in august, and could use some people to help on this.

15:26:10 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:26:22 <TomDN> pgroth: Sounds good. Having something in mid September would be ideal.

Paul Groth: Sounds good. Having something in mid September would be ideal.

15:26:23 <tlebo> sounds good

Timothy Lebo: sounds good

15:26:23 <stain> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:26:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomDN (muted), ??P2, Luc, ??P11, stain, ??P27, ??P30, dgarijo, jcheney?, ??P38, +238055aabb, tlebo

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see TomDN (muted), ??P2, Luc, ??P11, stain, ??P27, ??P30, dgarijo, jcheney?, ??P38, +238055aabb, tlebo

15:26:36 <Paolo> I would like to help

Paolo Missier: I would like to help

15:26:37 <stain> Right - I wondered who could volunteer..

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Right - I wondered who could volunteer..

15:26:50 <Luc> happy to review

Luc Moreau: happy to review

15:26:54 <tlebo> I'm on it :-/

Timothy Lebo: I'm on it :-/

15:26:59 <TomDN> pgroth: any volunteers to help?

Paul Groth: any volunteers to help?

15:27:08 <stain> sounds good

Stian Soiland-Reyes: sounds good

15:27:11 <TomDN> ... thanks Paolo, Luc, Tim

... thanks Paolo, Luc, Tim

15:27:31 <pgroth> Topic: Timetable

6. Timetable

Summary: For the month of August volunteers were signed up for handling incoming public comments on the last call releases.

<pgroth> Summary: For the month of August volunteers were signed up for handling incoming public comments on the last call releases.
15:27:43 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Tracking_Public_Comments

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Tracking_Public_Comments

15:28:07 <TomDN> pgroth: We need someone coordinating incoming public comments

Paul Groth: We need someone coordinating incoming public comments

15:28:19 <TomDN> ... Please sign up through this link

... Please sign up through this link

15:28:51 <smiles> Yes

Simon Miles: Yes

15:28:53 <stain> yes

Stian Soiland-Reyes: yes

15:28:56 <dgarijo> Me too

Daniel Garijo: Me too

15:29:00 <smiles> OK

Simon Miles: OK

15:29:02 <TomDN> ... It's 1 week/person. Just keeping track of emails and providing replies

... It's 1 week/person. Just keeping track of emails and providing replies

15:29:41 <smiles> If needs be, I can do that too

Simon Miles: If needs be, I can do that too

15:29:51 <TomDN> I can do 6-12

I can do 6-12

15:29:57 <TomDN> (needed to check agenda)

(needed to check agenda)

15:29:58 <dgarijo> I'm all august available

Daniel Garijo: I'm all august available

15:30:05 <dgarijo> ok

Daniel Garijo: ok

15:30:16 <tlebo> (I already took Aug 20 - Aug 26)

Timothy Lebo: (I already took Aug 20 - Aug 26)

15:30:32 <Luc> have got to go, bye bye

Luc Moreau: have got to go, bye bye

15:30:33 <stain> I can do 26th-

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I can do 26th-

15:30:39 <Zakim> -Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc

15:31:00 <TomDN> pgroth: good, that covers most of august for public comments, thanks.

Paul Groth: good, that covers most of august for public comments, thanks.

15:31:26 <pgroth> Topic: Prov Namespace

7. Prov Namespace

Summary: The group adopted a resolution on an approach for handling what owl gets returned on dereferencing the provenance namespace.

<pgroth> Summary: The group adopted a resolution on an approach for handling what owl gets returned on dereferencing the provenance namespace.
15:32:00 <TomDN> pgroth: What do we do with dereferencability, especially if you have multiple nodes

Paul Groth: What do we do with dereferencability, especially if you have multiple nodes

15:32:15 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvNamespaceManagement

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvNamespaceManagement

15:32:27 <TomDN> pgroth: This documents the various approaches

Paul Groth: This documents the various approaches

15:32:35 <TomDN> ... We need to settle on one.

... We need to settle on one.

15:33:20 <TomDN> pgroth: Solution 1: Merge all owl files into one namespace owl

Paul Groth: Solution 1: Merge all owl files into one namespace owl

15:33:34 <TomDN> ... Here the idea is that each note would maintain a separate owl file.

... Here the idea is that each note would maintain a separate owl file.

15:33:45 <TomDN> ... Solution 2.1 Use owl:import, but return only PROV-O

... Solution 2.1 Use owl:import, but return only PROV-O

15:33:58 <TomDN> ... This hybrid solution is a single OWL file with the content of ProvenanceOntology.owl (PROV-O) - but with the additional owl:imports for the modules. It will include provenance to the OWL of the official REC that it is derived from.

... This hybrid solution is a single OWL file with the content of ProvenanceOntology.owl (PROV-O) - but with the additional owl:imports for the modules. It will include provenance to the OWL of the official REC that it is derived from.

15:34:24 <TomDN> ... There were some modifications to this, which lead to Solution 2.2 Use owl:import and return full merge of PROV-O and all Notes

... There were some modifications to this, which lead to Solution 2.2 Use owl:import and return full merge of PROV-O and all Notes

15:34:52 <TomDN> ... and lastly: Solution 3 Define all terms in a single OWL file

... and lastly: Solution 3 Define all terms in a single OWL file

15:35:17 <TomDN> ... Terms that are not formally part of PROV-O would be described using just annotation properties (rdfs:label, rdfs:comment), so they don't show up in Ontology processing tools, but are still present for documentary purposes when the namespace is dereferenced.

... Terms that are not formally part of PROV-O would be described using just annotation properties (rdfs:label, rdfs:comment), so they don't show up in Ontology processing tools, but are still present for documentary purposes when the namespace is dereferenced.

15:35:20 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:35:30 <TomDN> pgroth: So which do you guys think is best?

Paul Groth: So which do you guys think is best?

15:35:44 <tlebo> +1 to the one I suggested :-) http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvNamespaceManagement#Solution_2.2_Use_owl:import_and_return_full_merge_of_PROV-O_and_all_Notes

Timothy Lebo: +1 to the one I suggested :-) http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvNamespaceManagement#Solution_2.2_Use_owl:import_and_return_full_merge_of_PROV-O_and_all_Notes

15:36:01 <stain> In preference: 2.2, 2.1, 2, 3, 1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: In preference: 2.2, 2.1, 2, 3, 1

15:36:35 <TomDN> pgroth: I would be inclined to do 2.2 as well, which is basically the concatenation of everything

Paul Groth: I would be inclined to do 2.2 as well, which is basically the concatenation of everything

15:36:41 <dgarijo> I like 2.1 better, in case you don't want to handle everything at once.

Daniel Garijo: I like 2.1 better, in case you don't want to handle everything at once.

15:36:47 <TomDN> ... Are there any objections to this?

... Are there any objections to this?

15:36:50 <stain> you are just restating what is true - if you saved that file again from protege the merged things should disappear as they are implied by the import

Stian Soiland-Reyes: you are just restating what is true - if you saved that file again from protege the merged things should disappear as they are implied by the import

15:37:06 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:37:08 <tlebo> @dgarijo but what makes provo so special?

Timothy Lebo: @dgarijo but what makes provo so special?

15:37:43 <stain> @dgarijo, if you don't want to, then import the version IRI of PROV-O (or whatever) instead

Stian Soiland-Reyes: @dgarijo, if you don't want to, then import the version IRI of PROV-O (or whatever) instead

15:37:48 <Dong> I prefer to see all the terms defined by the WG

Trung Huynh: I prefer to see all the terms defined by the WG

15:37:59 <dgarijo> @stian, tim:I see.

Daniel Garijo: @stian, tim:I see.

15:38:16 <pgroth> for the owl file that comes back from the prov namespace - (solution 2.2. ) Use owl:import and return full merge of PROV-O and all Notes

Paul Groth: for the owl file that comes back from the prov namespace - (solution 2.2. ) Use owl:import and return full merge of PROV-O and all Notes

15:38:28 <pgroth> proposed: for the owl file that comes back from the prov namespace - (solution 2.2. ) Use owl:import and return full merge of PROV-O and all Notes

PROPOSED: for the owl file that comes back from the prov namespace - (solution 2.2. ) Use owl:import and return full merge of PROV-O and all Notes

15:38:34 <smiles> +0.5 (fine as far as I understand, but not my expertise)

Simon Miles: +0.5 (fine as far as I understand, but not my expertise)

15:38:35 <tlebo> @stain right to @dgarijo , just grab the owl:imports and take those that you want (ignore everything else that comes back).

Timothy Lebo: @stain right to @dgarijo , just grab the owl:imports and take those that you want (ignore everything else that comes back).

15:38:42 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:38:43 <TomDN> +1

+1

15:38:45 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:38:50 <Dong> +1

Trung Huynh: +1

15:38:54 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:39:04 <stain> if it does not actually work we can change it, right? This is not part of a REC

Stian Soiland-Reyes: if it does not actually work we can change it, right? This is not part of a REC

15:39:20 <TomDN> pgroth: Indeed

Paul Groth: Indeed

15:39:27 <pgroth> accepted: for the owl file that comes back from the prov namespace - (solution 2.2. ) Use owl:import and return full merge of PROV-O and all Notes

RESOLVED: for the owl file that comes back from the prov namespace - (solution 2.2. ) Use owl:import and return full merge of PROV-O and all Notes

15:39:42 <stain> I'm sure Tim has some tricks up his sleeve for that

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I'm sure Tim has some tricks up his sleeve for that

15:39:54 <TomDN> pgroth: Tim, do you have anything laying around to do this?

Paul Groth: Tim, do you have anything laying around to do this?

15:40:20 <TomDN> tlebo: I'll look in my box of owl-magic tricks

Timothy Lebo: I'll look in my box of owl-magic tricks

15:40:42 <TomDN> ... (yes, I will look into it)

... (yes, I will look into it)

15:40:48 <stain> here's one implementation: https://github.com/wf4ever/taverna-prov  - it would not cover a big % as of today

Stian Soiland-Reyes: here's one implementation: https://github.com/wf4ever/taverna-prov - it would not cover a big % as of today

<pgroth> Topic: Etc

8. Etc

Summary: A discussion on exit criteria was delayed to next week. The group was asked to think about their implementations. In addition, Tim asked about the process of editing after Last Call. Paul agreed to check on the process.

<pgroth> Summary: A discussion on exit criteria was delayed to next week. The group was asked to think about their implementations. In addition, Tim asked about the process of editing after Last Call. Paul agreed to check on the process.
15:41:01 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvCRExitCriteria

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvCRExitCriteria

15:41:15 <TomDN> pgroth: If you are thinking about implementations of PROV, this is a good time to start talking about them

Paul Groth: If you are thinking about implementations of PROV, this is a good time to start talking about them

15:41:17 <tlebo> @stain add it to http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvImplementations

Timothy Lebo: @stain add it to http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvImplementations

15:41:17 <Dong> @pgroth, do we have a timetable for the implementation todos?

Trung Huynh: @pgroth, do we have a timetable for the implementation todos?

15:41:45 <TomDN> ... Please take a look at the exit criteria, and see if you can implement (some of) them

... Please take a look at the exit criteria, and see if you can implement (some of) them

15:42:02 <TomDN> ... Implementation period will be 4-6 weeks

... Implementation period will be 4-6 weeks

15:42:23 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:42:30 <TomDN> ... But we'd like to start way before that, and definitely think about the report as well

... But we'd like to start way before that, and definitely think about the report as well

15:42:47 <tlebo> q+

Timothy Lebo: q+

15:43:12 <jcheney> q+

James Cheney: q+

15:43:24 <TomDN> tlebo: Now that stuff is released for LC, how do we deal with change management?

Timothy Lebo: Now that stuff is released for LC, how do we deal with change management?

15:43:37 <TomDN> pgroth: Same as always, just create a new editor's draft

Paul Groth: Same as always, just create a new editor's draft

15:44:15 <TomDN> ... but do be careful about technical changes (since this is LC), but we can still make editorial changes.

... but do be careful about technical changes (since this is LC), but we can still make editorial changes.

15:44:26 <tlebo> e.g. http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/456 ?

Timothy Lebo: e.g. http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/456 ?

15:44:56 <stain> @dgarijo would the PROV mapping for roevo and wfprov in wf4ever count for application page? Will we formalize those into the OWLs?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: @dgarijo would the PROV mapping for roevo and wfprov in wf4ever count for application page? Will we formalize those into the OWLs?

15:45:00 <TomDN> tlebo: I have a request to change the domain. Is this too much change, or not?

Timothy Lebo: I have a request to change the domain. Is this too much change, or not?

15:45:18 <TomDN> pgroth: I'll email sandro to make sure we don't make mistakes

Paul Groth: I'll email sandro to make sure we don't make mistakes

15:45:32 <pgroth> ack tlebo

Paul Groth: ack tlebo

15:45:59 <TomDN> jcheney: Will Tim review the constraints as well?

James Cheney: Will Tim review the constraints as well?

15:46:05 <TomDN> tlebo: Absolutely

Timothy Lebo: Absolutely

15:46:36 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:46:39 <pgroth> ack jcheney

Paul Groth: ack jcheney

15:46:48 <tlebo> bye bye

Timothy Lebo: bye bye

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