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Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 19 April 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.04.19
Seen
Curt Tilmes, Daniel Garijo, Graham Klyne, James Cheney, Jun Zhao, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Paolo Missier, Paul Groth, Sam Coppens, Sandro Hawke, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Stephen Cresswell, Ted Thibodeau, Timothy Lebo, Tom De Nies, Yolanda Gil
Regrets
Graham Klyne, Jun Zhao
Chair
Paul Groth
Scribe
Curt Tilmes
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Following internal and external feedback, the first deliverable (referred to as "D1. PIL Conceptual Model" in the charter) is reorganized into three separate documents. The three documents are now known by their respective short names: prov-dm, prov-constraints, prov-n. These documents are intended to become W3C Recommendations. link
  2. Release the current version of prov-dm document as fourth public working draft link
  3. Release the current version of prov-constraints document as first public working draft link
  4. Release the current version of prov-n document as first public working draft link
  5. Release the current version of prov-o document as second public working draft link
  6. Release the current version of prov-primer document as second public working draft link
  7. rename prov:Collection into prov:Dictionary for this synchronous release link
  8. Incorporate the invalidation/destruction in prov-dm for immediate release link
  9. the ontology will be based on OWL-RL and any deviations from that profile will be documented in the ontology documentation link
Topics
  1. Admin

    Minutes were approved. Action items were cleared-up

  2. PAQ Reviews

    All reviewers were making progress on their reviews of the paq.

  3. Release of Documents

    Editors gave a summary of their updates based on the reviews provided by the group. The group unanimously voted to release prov-dm, prov-constraints, prov-n, prov-o and the prov-primer as working drafts. Editors agreed to have their documents ready for publication by April 30 for publication May 3.

  4. Collection and Dictionary

    Discussion on the mailing list suggested that there was consensus to rename the current prov:Collections to prov:Dictionary. The group agreed that this was a good idea and approved a proposal to make this change in the upcoming release. The group agreed to continue and discuss collections as a whole on the list.

  5. Invalidation/Destruction

    Luc put together a revised proposal for invalidation and destruction which seemed to have support on the mailing list. The group approved the integration of this proposal into the upcoming release of the documents.

  6. Discussion on OWL RL

    There is a requirement that the ontology be "lightweight". This has been operationalized by ensuring that the ontology is compatible with OWL-RL. However, this was causing difficulty in appropriately mapping to the DM. Through discussion on the mailing list, a new approach was suggested where OWL-RL was treated as a baseline but certain deviations were allowed but needed to be documented. The group agreed that this was guidance the editors of prov-o should follow.

14:51:55 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/04/19-prov-irc

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14:51:59 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be

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14:52:00 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:52:00 <trackbot> Date: 19 April 2012
14:52:01 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV

Paul Groth: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:52:01 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

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14:52:25 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.04.19
14:52:33 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
14:52:44 <pgroth> Scribe: Curt Tilmes

(Scribe set to Curt Tilmes)

14:52:51 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public

Paul Groth: rrsagent, make logs public

14:53:03 <pgroth> Regrets: Jun Zhao
14:56:25 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

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14:56:32 <Zakim> +Curt_Tilmes

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14:56:45 <pgroth> hi curt

Paul Groth: hi curt

14:56:48 <pgroth> it's all set-up

Paul Groth: it's all set-up

14:57:02 <Curt> got it

got it

14:57:33 <Zakim> +??P1

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14:58:14 <Zakim> +??P6

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15:00:35 <Zakim> +Sandro

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15:00:58 <Curt> regrets: Graham, Jun
15:00:58 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

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15:01:09 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:01:09 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

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15:01:12 <Zakim> +??P3

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15:01:24 <Zakim> +??P12

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15:01:42 <Zakim> + +1.315.723.aaaa

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15:01:48 <tlebo> zakim, I am aaaa

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15:01:48 <Zakim> +tlebo; got it

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15:01:59 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

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15:02:51 <Zakim> +??P2

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15:02:58 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P2 is me

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15:03:00 <Zakim> +[ISI]

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15:03:13 <Zakim> +khalidbelhajjame; got it

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15:03:14 <Zakim> +Luc

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15:03:22 <Zakim> + +329331aabb

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15:03:25 <Zakim> -??P3

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15:03:32 <Zakim> +??P3

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15:03:47 <TomDN> Zakim, +329331aabb is me

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15:03:47 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it

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15:03:53 <Zakim> +??P15

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15:03:59 <jcheney> Zakim, ??P15 is me

James Cheney: Zakim, ??P15 is me

15:03:59 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it

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15:04:40 <pgroth> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

Summary: Minutes were approved. Action items were cleared-up

<pgroth> Summary: Minutes were approved. Action items were cleared-up
15:04:49 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.04.19

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.04.19

15:04:57 <Curt> +1

+1

15:04:58 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

15:04:59 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:05:04 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:05:11 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:05:25 <smiles> Isn't that link just the agenda?

Simon Miles: Isn't that link just the agenda?

15:05:31 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:05:36 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-04-12

Timothy Lebo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-04-12

15:05:52 <pgroth> Approved- Minutes of the April 12 2012 Telecon

Paul Groth: Approved- Minutes of the April 12 2012 Telecon

15:06:09 <TomDN> Note Sam is held up in an overlapping meeting atm. He will join us shortly

Tom De Nies: Note Sam is held up in an overlapping meeting atm. He will join us shortly

15:06:34 <Curt> pgroth: action 70, review of 84,262,263,268

Paul Groth: ACTION-70, review of 84,262,263,268

15:06:37 <Curt> luc: completed

Luc Moreau: completed

15:06:50 <Curt> pgroth: action 73

Paul Groth: ACTION-73

15:06:57 <Curt> stephen: can be closed

Stephen Cresswell: can be closed

15:07:26 <Curt> pgroth: action 74,76,77 use cases for collections have been provided

Paul Groth: ACTION-74,76,77 use cases for collections have been provided

15:07:36 <Curt> pgroth: scribes, need them

Paul Groth: scribes, need them

15:07:43 <pgroth> Topic: PAQ Reviews

2. PAQ Reviews

Summary: All reviewers were making progress on their reviews of the paq.

<pgroth> Summary: All reviewers were making progress on their reviews of the paq.
15:08:13 <Curt> pgroth: how is review coming?

Paul Groth: how is review coming?

15:08:20 <Curt> curt: in progress

Curt Tilmes: in progress

15:08:31 <Curt> pgroth: olaf in progress

Paul Groth: olaf in progress

15:08:47 <tlebo> \me looking forward to reviewing it when he finds time.

Timothy Lebo: \me looking forward to reviewing it when he finds time.

15:08:49 <Curt> TomDN: Sam will submit PAQ review tomorrow

Tom De Nies: Sam will submit PAQ review tomorrow

15:09:04 <Curt> tlebo: will review soon

Timothy Lebo: will review soon

15:09:13 <Curt> luc: will review soon, finishing off other documents first

Luc Moreau: will review soon, finishing off other documents first

15:09:41 <Curt> pgroth: after week-end for PAQ reviews should be ok

Paul Groth: after week-end for PAQ reviews should be ok

15:10:04 <jcheney> NB - the minutes say: "Curt, Olaf, Sam, Tim and Luc agreed to review it, mostly by around April 20"

James Cheney: NB - the minutes say: "Curt, Olaf, Sam, Tim and Luc agreed to review it, mostly by around April 20"

15:10:15 <pgroth> Topic: Release of Documents

3. Release of Documents

Summary: Editors gave a summary of their updates based on the reviews provided by the group. The group unanimously voted to release prov-dm, prov-constraints, prov-n, prov-o and the prov-primer as working drafts. Editors agreed to have their documents ready for publication by April 30 for publication May 3.

<pgroth> Summary: Editors gave a summary of their updates based on the reviews provided by the group. The group unanimously voted to release prov-dm, prov-constraints, prov-n, prov-o and the prov-primer as working drafts. Editors agreed to have their documents ready for publication by April 30 for publication May 3.
15:10:38 <tlebo> [ a prov:Entity; prov:value "mostly by around April 20. "; prov:wasQuotedFrom <http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-04-12> ] .

Timothy Lebo: [ a prov:Entity; prov:value "mostly by around April 20. "; prov:wasQuotedFrom <http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-04-12> ] .

15:10:41 <Curt> pgroth: several changes need to be done/have been discussed

Paul Groth: several changes need to be done/have been discussed

15:11:01 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/diff.html

Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/diff.html

15:11:06 <Curt> ... invalidation/collection vs. dictionary

... invalidation/collection vs. dictionary

15:11:18 <Curt> luc: worked on DM, changes circulated

Luc Moreau: worked on DM, changes circulated

15:11:40 <Curt> ... paolo/james may talk about other documents

... paolo/james may talk about other documents

15:11:52 <Curt> ... all changes recommended by reviewers have been addressed

... all changes recommended by reviewers have been addressed

15:12:03 <Curt> ... accounts/annotations not covered in this release

... accounts/annotations not covered in this release

15:12:13 <Curt> ... a draft for invalidation has been proposed

... a draft for invalidation has been proposed

15:12:38 <Curt> ... assuming PROV-O team can include invalidation, should all be ready

... assuming PROV-O team can include invalidation, should all be ready

15:12:48 <Curt> ... there was a suggestion to rename collection to dictionary

... there was a suggestion to rename collection to dictionary

15:12:58 <Curt> ... may want to incorporate that change now

... may want to incorporate that change now

15:14:03 <Curt> jcheney: prov-constraints changes

James Cheney: prov-constraints changes

15:14:06 <jcheney> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/working-copy/wd5-prov-dm-constraints-revised.html

James Cheney: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/working-copy/wd5-prov-dm-constraints-revised.html

15:14:30 <Curt> ... starting from last reviewed version

... starting from last reviewed version

15:14:30 <jcheney> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/working-copy/wd5-prov-dm-constraints.html

James Cheney: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/working-copy/wd5-prov-dm-constraints.html

15:14:56 <Curt> ... two major criticisms from tim/graham/james -- organization and lack of clarity of purpose

... two major criticisms from tim/graham/james -- organization and lack of clarity of purpose

15:14:56 <Luc> ^^^ not the right  url

Luc Moreau: ^^^ not the right url

15:14:59 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm-constraints.html

Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm-constraints.html

15:15:23 <Curt> ... first part easier to address.  reorganized what was there to group similar things together

... first part easier to address. reorganized what was there to group similar things together

15:15:35 <Curt> ... sections on inferences, and different types of constraints

... sections on inferences, and different types of constraints

15:15:51 <Curt> ... haven't invented a complete story fitting this document into the overall context

... haven't invented a complete story fitting this document into the overall context

15:16:04 <Curt> ... added notes about some things that still need explanation

... added notes about some things that still need explanation

15:16:31 <Curt> ... graham/james asked the overall purpose for this document

... graham/james asked the overall purpose for this document

15:16:54 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me

15:16:54 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

15:17:12 <Curt> ... taken the view that this document adds additional information to a provenance description

... taken the view that this document adds additional information to a provenance description

15:17:23 <Curt> ... wants guidance from group

... wants guidance from group

15:17:40 <Curt> ... if we release, should emphasize that this is a working draft

... if we release, should emphasize that this is a working draft

15:17:54 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:17:57 <Curt> ... still internalizing some aspects of the document

... still internalizing some aspects of the document

15:18:03 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:18:12 <Paolo> PROV-N - http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-n.html

Paolo Missier: PROV-N - http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-n.html

15:18:50 <Curt> paolo: prov-n changes incorporated - sections rearranged for clarification of scope, organization

Paolo Missier: prov-n changes incorporated - sections rearranged for clarification of scope, organization

15:19:17 <Curt> ... new section 1, 2 explain scope/context

... new section 1, 2 explain scope/context

15:20:03 <Curt> ... simon suggested discuss arguments of each expression clearly, new version clarifies that for each example

... simon suggested discuss arguments of each expression clearly, new version clarifies that for each example

15:20:20 <Curt> ... includes different meanings for optional arguments

... includes different meanings for optional arguments

15:21:02 <Zakim> +??P38

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15:21:13 <Curt> ... tim suggested hyperlink nodes to yacc description, still need to add some yacc/html stuff

... tim suggested hyperlink nodes to yacc description, still need to add some yacc/html stuff

15:21:15 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P38 is me

Daniel Garijo: Zakim, ??P38 is me

15:21:16 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it

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15:21:28 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:21:31 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

15:21:33 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:21:43 <tlebo> latest draft to release:  http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/e35dff3bbd37/ontology/spwd/2012-04-18-vote-for-public-release/prov-o.html#Start

Timothy Lebo: latest draft to release: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/e35dff3bbd37/ontology/spwd/2012-04-18-vote-for-public-release/prov-o.html#Start

15:21:44 <Curt> tlebo: prov-o

Timothy Lebo: prov-o

15:22:03 <tlebo> reworked expanded terms section reworked collections section added infrastructure and stubs for examples in cross reference sections.

Timothy Lebo: reworked expanded terms section reworked collections section added infrastructure and stubs for examples in cross reference sections.

15:22:05 <Curt> ... 3 biggest changes: rework terms section, collections section

... 3 biggest changes: rework terms section, collections section

15:22:16 <Curt> ... thanks stain/khalid

... thanks stain/khalid

15:22:31 <Curt> ... crossreference, added stubs for examples

... crossreference, added stubs for examples

15:22:35 <tlebo> last round of comments being managed at http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Prov-o_draft_review_2_April_2012

Timothy Lebo: last round of comments being managed at http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Prov-o_draft_review_2_April_2012

15:23:06 <Curt> ... issues being addressed/closed there ^^

... issues being addressed/closed there ^^

15:23:13 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:23:27 <dgarijo> thanks Tim for including everything so fast.

Daniel Garijo: thanks Tim for including everything so fast.

15:23:30 <Curt> smiles: primer

Simon Miles: primer

15:23:41 <smiles> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/primer/Primer.html

Simon Miles: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/primer/Primer.html

15:23:42 <Curt> ... addressed all reviews

... addressed all reviews

15:23:53 <Curt> ... added images to illustrate examples

... added images to illustrate examples

15:23:56 <Curt> ... many other minor things

... many other minor things

15:24:05 <tlebo> += "thanks to daniel for help on reworked expaned terms section"

Timothy Lebo: += "thanks to daniel for help on reworked expaned terms section"

15:24:08 <Curt> ... up to date with regard to prov-dm prov-n

... up to date with regard to prov-dm prov-n

15:24:25 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:24:27 <Curt> ... explaining things in a more intuitive way

... explaining things in a more intuitive way

15:24:39 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:24:42 <Curt> pgroth: proposals to vote on

Paul Groth: proposals to vote on

15:24:48 <pgroth> ack luc

Paul Groth: ack luc

15:25:04 <Curt> luc: simon brought up how we use prov and prov-dm

Luc Moreau: simon brought up how we use prov and prov-dm

15:25:14 <Curt> ... should use prov instead of prov-dm in some places

... should use prov instead of prov-dm in some places

15:25:30 <TomDN> Zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN

Tom De Nies: Zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN

15:25:30 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SamCoppens; got it

15:25:32 <Curt> ... looked at constraints, that apply to prov model

... looked at constraints, that apply to prov model

15:25:58 <Curt> ... should call prov-constraints instead of prov-dm-constraints

... should call prov-constraints instead of prov-dm-constraints

15:26:12 <pgroth> Proposal 1: Following internal and external feedback, the first deliverable (referred to as "D1. PIL Conceptual Model" in the charter) is reorganized into three separate documents. The three documents are now known by their respective short names: prov-dm, prov-constraints, prov-n. These documents are intended to become W3C Recommendations.

Paul Groth: Proposal 1: Following internal and external feedback, the first deliverable (referred to as "D1. PIL Conceptual Model" in the charter) is reorganized into three separate documents. The three documents are now known by their respective short names: prov-dm, prov-constraints, prov-n. These documents are intended to become W3C Recommendations.

15:26:36 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:26:39 <Curt> +1

+1

15:26:40 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:26:40 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

15:26:40 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:26:41 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:26:42 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:26:44 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

15:26:45 <stephenc> +1

Stephen Cresswell: +1

15:26:45 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:26:46 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:26:47 <YolandaGil> +1

Yolanda Gil: +1

15:26:50 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:27:08 <pgroth> accepted:  Following internal and external feedback, the first deliverable (referred to as "D1. PIL Conceptual Model" in the charter) is reorganized into three separate documents. The three documents are now known by their respective short names: prov-dm, prov-constraints, prov-n. These documents are intended to become W3C Recommendations.

RESOLVED: Following internal and external feedback, the first deliverable (referred to as "D1. PIL Conceptual Model" in the charter) is reorganized into three separate documents. The three documents are now known by their respective short names: prov-dm, prov-constraints, prov-n. These documents are intended to become W3C Recommendations.

15:27:25 <pgroth> Proposal 2: Release the current version of prov-dm document as fourth public working draft

Paul Groth: Proposal 2: Release the current version of prov-dm document as fourth public working draft

15:27:32 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:27:33 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:27:33 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:27:33 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:27:34 <Curt> +1

+1

15:27:34 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:27:34 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:27:35 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

15:27:35 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:27:35 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:27:36 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

15:27:37 <YolandaGil> +1

Yolanda Gil: +1

15:27:53 <pgroth> accepted: Release the current version of prov-dm document as fourth public working draft

RESOLVED: Release the current version of prov-dm document as fourth public working draft

15:27:54 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:28:12 <pgroth> Proposal 3: Release the current version of prov-constraints document as first public working draft

Paul Groth: Proposal 3: Release the current version of prov-constraints document as first public working draft

15:28:15 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:28:17 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:28:19 <Curt> +1

+1

15:28:19 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:28:20 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

15:28:20 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

15:28:21 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:28:21 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:28:24 <YolandaGil> +1

Yolanda Gil: +1

15:28:28 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:28:34 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:28:43 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:28:53 <pgroth> accepted: Release the current version of prov-constraints document as first public working draft

RESOLVED: Release the current version of prov-constraints document as first public working draft

15:29:03 <pgroth> Proposal 4: Release the current version of prov-n document as first public working draft

Paul Groth: Proposal 4: Release the current version of prov-n document as first public working draft

15:29:07 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:29:08 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:29:08 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:29:08 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:29:09 <Curt> +1

+1

15:29:09 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

15:29:10 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:29:10 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:29:10 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

15:29:10 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:29:13 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:29:15 <YolandaGil> +1

Yolanda Gil: +1

15:29:19 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:29:29 <pgroth> accepted: Release the current version of prov-n document as first public working draft

RESOLVED: Release the current version of prov-n document as first public working draft

15:29:44 <pgroth> Proposal 5: Release the current version of prov-o document as second public working draft

Paul Groth: Proposal 5: Release the current version of prov-o document as second public working draft

15:29:45 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:29:46 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:29:46 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

15:29:46 <Curt> +1

+1

15:29:47 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:29:48 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:29:48 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

15:29:49 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:29:49 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:29:51 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:29:51 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:29:53 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:29:56 <YolandaGil> +1

Yolanda Gil: +1

15:30:10 <pgroth> accepted: Release the current version of prov-o document as second public working draft

RESOLVED: Release the current version of prov-o document as second public working draft

15:30:24 <pgroth> Proposal 6: Release the current version of prov-primer document as second public working draft

Paul Groth: Proposal 6: Release the current version of prov-primer document as second public working draft

15:30:26 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:30:26 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:30:27 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

15:30:27 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:30:28 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:30:28 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

15:30:28 <Curt> +1

+1

15:30:28 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

15:30:29 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:30:29 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:30:30 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:30:32 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:30:34 <YolandaGil> +1

Yolanda Gil: +1

15:30:47 <pgroth> accepted:  Release the current version of prov-primer document as second public working draft

RESOLVED: Release the current version of prov-primer document as second public working draft

15:31:04 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:31:07 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:31:09 <smiles> q+

Simon Miles: q+

15:31:14 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:31:47 <Luc> q-

Luc Moreau: q-

15:31:52 <Curt> luc: collection/dictionary question?

Luc Moreau: collection/dictionary question?

15:31:58 <Curt> pgroth: after invalidation

Paul Groth: after invalidation

15:31:59 <pgroth> ack smiles

Paul Groth: ack smiles

15:32:04 <Luc> i will coordinate

Luc Moreau: i will coordinate

15:32:23 <pgroth> Topic: Collection and Dictionary

4. Collection and Dictionary

Summary: Discussion on the mailing list suggested that there was consensus to rename the current prov:Collections to prov:Dictionary. The group agreed that this was a good idea and approved a proposal to make this change in the upcoming release. The group agreed to continue and discuss collections as a whole on the list.

<pgroth> Summary: Discussion on the mailing list suggested that there was consensus to rename the current prov:Collections to prov:Dictionary. The group agreed that this was a good idea and approved a proposal to make this change in the upcoming release. The group agreed to continue and discuss collections as a whole on the list.
15:33:00 <Curt> pgroth: consensus on mailing list that collections as modeled are really dictionaries.  Should we rename to that?

Paul Groth: consensus on mailing list that collections as modeled are really dictionaries. Should we rename to that?

15:33:07 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:33:11 <Curt> ... should that be done for this release?

... should that be done for this release?

15:33:33 <Curt> pgroth: a simple renaming

Paul Groth: a simple renaming

15:33:38 <Paolo> q+

Paolo Missier: q+

15:33:39 <Curt> ... editors have issues with that?

... editors have issues with that?

15:33:53 <pgroth> ack Paolo

Paul Groth: ack Paolo

15:34:02 <Curt> paolo: discussed on the list,

Paolo Missier: discussed on the list,

15:34:30 <Curt> ... may be some follow on discussion about different types of collections, but no issues with renaming as an editor

... may be some follow on discussion about different types of collections, but no issues with renaming as an editor

15:34:42 <pgroth> Proposal rename prov:Collection into prov:Dictionary

Paul Groth: Proposal rename prov:Collection into prov:Dictionary

15:34:51 <tlebo> :D

Timothy Lebo: :D

15:34:52 <pgroth> rename prov:Collection into prov:Dictionary for this synchronous release

Paul Groth: rename prov:Collection into prov:Dictionary for this synchronous release

15:35:04 <pgroth> Proposal rename prov:Collection into prov:Dictionary for this synchronous release

Paul Groth: Proposal rename prov:Collection into prov:Dictionary for this synchronous release

15:35:13 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:35:13 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:35:13 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:35:14 <Curt> +1

+1

15:35:14 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:35:15 <dgarijo> +0

Daniel Garijo: +0

15:35:18 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:35:20 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:35:21 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

15:35:21 <MacTed> +0

Ted Thibodeau: +0

15:35:26 <TomDN> +0

Tom De Nies: +0

15:35:28 <satya> 0

Satya Sahoo: 0

15:35:31 <SamCoppens> +0

Sam Coppens: +0

15:35:52 <Curt> pgroth: for people who voted 0, why? objections?

Paul Groth: for people who voted 0, why? objections?

15:36:08 <satya> q+

Satya Sahoo: q+

15:36:10 <dgarijo> Because I haven't been able to follow all the discussions around collections. I don't have objections

Daniel Garijo: Because I haven't been able to follow all the discussions around collections. I don't have objections

15:36:38 <Luc> no, we would not

Luc Moreau: no, we would not

15:36:39 <TomDN> for me: I'm not up to date on the discussion, but have no objections

Tom De Nies: for me: I'm not up to date on the discussion, but have no objections

15:36:46 <Curt> satya: do we have a collection construct?

Satya Sahoo: do we have a collection construct?

15:36:47 <SamCoppens> No objections, but not up to date with latest discussion, hence 0

Sam Coppens: No objections, but not up to date with latest discussion, hence 0

15:36:59 <Curt> pgroth: perhaps add back in after release

Paul Groth: perhaps add back in after release

15:37:22 <Curt> satya: still discussion needs to happen, won't hold up release

Satya Sahoo: still discussion needs to happen, won't hold up release

15:37:36 <Curt> pgroth: yes, discussion will continue, question is simply to rename for this release

Paul Groth: yes, discussion will continue, question is simply to rename for this release

15:37:43 <MacTed> I think too much discussion remains to make action worthwhile... but I'm not going to block either way

Ted Thibodeau: I think too much discussion remains to make action worthwhile... but I'm not going to block either way

15:37:54 <pgroth> accepted: rename prov:Collection into prov:Dictionary for this synchronous release

RESOLVED: rename prov:Collection into prov:Dictionary for this synchronous release

15:38:05 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:38:08 <pgroth> ack satya

Paul Groth: ack satya

15:38:18 <pgroth> Topic: Invalidation/Destruction

5. Invalidation/Destruction

Summary: Luc put together a revised proposal for invalidation and destruction which seemed to have support on the mailing list. The group approved the integration of this proposal into the upcoming release of the documents.

<pgroth> Summary: Luc put together a revised proposal for invalidation and destruction which seemed to have support on the mailing list. The group approved the integration  of this proposal into the upcoming release of the documents.
15:38:39 <Curt> pgroth: some discussion around invalidation/destruction, would be nice to have for symmetry

Paul Groth: some discussion around invalidation/destruction, would be nice to have for symmetry

15:38:42 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/working-copy/wd5-prov-invalidation.html

Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/working-copy/wd5-prov-invalidation.html

15:38:50 <Curt> ... not too much disagreement around it

... not too much disagreement around it

15:39:08 <Curt> pgroth: incorporate into DM?

Paul Groth: incorporate into DM?

15:39:40 <Curt> luc: we took into account the feedback from macted, graham, and other discussion, folded into the document^^

Luc Moreau: we took into account the feedback from macted, graham, and other discussion, folded into the document^^

15:39:49 <Curt> ... a few people commented they like it

... a few people commented they like it

15:39:52 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:40:04 <pgroth> Proposal 7: Incorporate the invalidation/destruction in prov-dm for immediate release

Paul Groth: Proposal 7: Incorporate the invalidation/destruction in prov-dm for immediate release

15:40:11 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:40:12 <Curt> +1

+1

15:40:13 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:40:13 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:40:14 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

15:40:15 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:40:17 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:40:18 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

15:40:20 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:40:22 <stephenc> +1

Stephen Cresswell: +1

15:40:22 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:40:28 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:40:29 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:40:29 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

15:40:42 <pgroth> accepted:  Incorporate the invalidation/destruction in prov-dm for immediate release

RESOLVED: Incorporate the invalidation/destruction in prov-dm for immediate release

15:41:09 <smiles> q+

Simon Miles: q+

15:41:12 <Curt> pgroth: that covers this synchronous release.  any other issues about that release?

Paul Groth: that covers this synchronous release. any other issues about that release?

15:41:19 <pgroth> ack smiles

Paul Groth: ack smiles

15:41:29 <Curt> smiles: the documents refer to each other with correct references?

Simon Miles: the documents refer to each other with correct references?

15:41:53 <Luc> yes, it's part of the release process

Luc Moreau: yes, it's part of the release process

15:41:55 <tlebo> prov-o's references need to be updated too. That's just part of publication, right?

Timothy Lebo: prov-o's references need to be updated too. That's just part of publication, right?

15:41:59 <Curt> pgroth: luc to coordinate release, can you check that?

Paul Groth: luc to coordinate release, can you check that?

15:42:02 <Curt> luc: yes

Luc Moreau: yes

15:42:13 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:42:13 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:42:22 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:42:33 <Curt> luc: we need to agree on the actual release date.

Luc Moreau: we need to agree on the actual release date.

15:42:55 <Curt> ... two approvals to pass, get short names for new documents, then publication requests for all new documents

... two approvals to pass, get short names for new documents, then publication requests for all new documents

15:43:08 <Curt> ... need 4 working days of notice, what is a reasonable date?

... need 4 working days of notice, what is a reasonable date?

15:43:29 <Curt> ... can only publish on tuesday or thursday

... can only publish on tuesday or thursday

15:43:36 <Curt> ... perhaps tuesday May 1?

... perhaps tuesday May 1?

15:43:52 <pgroth> is that a holiday sandro?

Paul Groth: is that a holiday sandro?

15:43:57 <smiles> yes, possible, I think

Simon Miles: yes, possible, I think

15:43:57 <Curt> luc: all editors would need to be ready by next Tuesday or Wednesday

Luc Moreau: all editors would need to be ready by next Tuesday or Wednesday

15:43:58 <tlebo> That is very tight for me.

Timothy Lebo: That is very tight for me.

15:44:27 <jcheney> q+

James Cheney: q+

15:44:39 <pgroth> ack jcheney

Paul Groth: ack jcheney

15:44:52 <Curt> jcheney: how much work to get from where we are with constraints to fit required style?

James Cheney: how much work to get from where we are with constraints to fit required style?

15:45:12 <Curt> luc: the version was html 5 compliant mostly, not sure if you have preserved that

Luc Moreau: the version was html 5 compliant mostly, not sure if you have preserved that

15:45:30 <Curt> luc: most things get taken care of to create the compliant files

Luc Moreau: most things get taken care of to create the compliant files

15:45:52 <Curt> ... look at models subdir in mercurial to see it

... look at models subdir in mercurial to see it

15:45:58 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:46:15 <Curt> jcheney: will luc/paolo do that publication work or james?

James Cheney: will luc/paolo do that publication work or james?

15:46:30 <Paolo> I can help but I have not done it before

Paolo Missier: I can help but I have not done it before

15:46:36 <Curt> luc: if there aren't many HTML problems, luc could do it in a couple hours, would be nice to get some help with that

Luc Moreau: if there aren't many HTML problems, luc could do it in a couple hours, would be nice to get some help with that

15:46:50 <Curt> sandro: all editors should try to make compliant html and check links

Sandro Hawke: all editors should try to make compliant html and check links

15:47:28 <Curt> pgroth: try end of next week, then go for May 3?

Paul Groth: try end of next week, then go for May 3?

15:47:57 <Curt> pgroth: would make the request for the names

Paul Groth: would make the request for the names

15:48:08 <Curt> luc: yes, transition request today, will copy all editors

Luc Moreau: yes, transition request today, will copy all editors

15:48:34 <Curt> luc: time to make the document compliant with rules after making publication request

Luc Moreau: time to make the document compliant with rules after making publication request

15:48:42 <smiles> yes

Simon Miles: yes

15:48:45 <Luc> +1

Luc Moreau: +1

15:48:49 <Paolo> ok

Paolo Missier: ok

15:48:53 <tlebo> q+

Timothy Lebo: q+

15:48:55 <Curt> pgroth: Editors -- May 3 release ok?

Paul Groth: Editors -- May 3 release ok?

15:49:08 <Curt> tlebo: what needs to be done by May 3

Timothy Lebo: what needs to be done by May 3

15:49:26 <Curt> pgroth: make the compliant document available

Paul Groth: make the compliant document available

15:49:31 <pgroth> ack tlebo

Paul Groth: ack tlebo

15:49:44 <Curt> luc: that should be done by April 30 to start process and checks

Luc Moreau: that should be done by April 30 to start process and checks

15:50:00 <Curt> tlebo: 4/30 sounds reasonable

Timothy Lebo: 4/30 sounds reasonable

15:50:01 <tlebo> q-

Timothy Lebo: q-

15:50:19 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:50:32 <tlebo> and the WG! :D

Timothy Lebo: and the WG! :D

15:50:34 <Curt> pgroth: 4/30 for editors to be ready, 5/3 for actual release

Paul Groth: 4/30 for editors to be ready, 5/3 for actual release

15:50:38 <pgroth> Topic: Discussion on OWL RL

6. Discussion on OWL RL

Summary: There is a requirement that the ontology be "lightweight". This has been operationalized by ensuring that the ontology is compatible with OWL-RL. However, this was causing difficulty in appropriately mapping to the DM. Through discussion on the mailing list, a new approach was suggested where OWL-RL was treated as a baseline but certain deviations were allowed but needed to be documented. The group agreed that this was guidance the editors of prov-o should follow.

<pgroth> Summary: There is a requirement that the ontology be "lightweight". This has been operationalized by ensuring that the ontology is compatible with OWL-RL. However, this was causing difficulty in appropriately mapping to the DM. Through discussion on the mailing list, a new approach was suggested where OWL-RL was treated as a baseline but certain deviations were allowed but needed to be documented. The group agreed that this was guidance the editors of prov-o should follow.
15:51:12 <Curt> pgroth: current ontology compliant with RL, but has difficulties modeling all constructs of the DM

Paul Groth: current ontology compliant with RL, but has difficulties modeling all constructs of the DM

15:51:32 <Curt> ... RL is operationalize 'lightweight ontology' requirement

... RL is operationalize 'lightweight ontology' requirement

15:51:53 <Curt> ... editors and PROV-O people have a hard time with the RL constraint

... editors and PROV-O people have a hard time with the RL constraint

15:52:08 <Curt> ... would be nice to relax that requirement and allow certain other non-RL constructs to be used

... would be nice to relax that requirement and allow certain other non-RL constructs to be used

15:52:29 <Curt> ... Is that ok?  How do we make sure we remain 'lightweight'?

... Is that ok? How do we make sure we remain 'lightweight'?

15:52:59 <Curt> <silence>

<silence>

15:53:00 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:53:01 <tlebo> q+

Timothy Lebo: q+

15:53:10 <dgarijo> I think that the RL++ proposed by Tim made sense.

Daniel Garijo: I think that the RL++ proposed by Tim made sense.

15:53:14 <pgroth> ack tlebo

Paul Groth: ack tlebo

15:53:29 <Curt> tlebo: we generally agreed to relax RL slightly, and enumerate the violations

Timothy Lebo: we generally agreed to relax RL slightly, and enumerate the violations

15:53:44 <Curt> ... clearly point out the constructs that aren't recognized by RL

... clearly point out the constructs that aren't recognized by RL

15:53:58 <Curt> ... RL reasoners can still omit those constructs

... RL reasoners can still omit those constructs

15:54:12 <Curt> ... RL is the baseline for lightweight characteristics, but allow a few violations

... RL is the baseline for lightweight characteristics, but allow a few violations

15:54:34 <Curt> pgroth: which constructs will you need?  unions on domain/range?

Paul Groth: which constructs will you need? unions on domain/range?

15:55:03 <Curt> tlebo: yes, there are now two unions on domain/range, and that addresses design issues, a nice option to include those

Timothy Lebo: yes, there are now two unions on domain/range, and that addresses design issues, a nice option to include those

15:55:25 <Curt> ... if there are other things we want to use, each kind of construct will be considered individually

... if there are other things we want to use, each kind of construct will be considered individually

15:55:36 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:55:40 <Curt> ... unions alone are helpful

... unions alone are helpful

15:55:49 <dgarijo> hadRole and hadActivity are the ones with unions

Daniel Garijo: hadRole and hadActivity are the ones with unions

15:55:59 <Curt> pgroth: not very controversial.

Paul Groth: not very controversial.

15:56:24 <Curt> luc; isn't this already in the release we've approved?

luc; isn't this already in the release we've approved?

15:56:44 <Curt> pgroth: yes, but this is a real change in the direction of PROV-O.  Want support from the group on that.

Paul Groth: yes, but this is a real change in the direction of PROV-O. Want support from the group on that.

15:57:33 <pgroth> proposal: the ontology will be based on OWL-RL and any deviations from that profile will be documented in the ontology documentation

PROPOSED: the ontology will be based on OWL-RL and any deviations from that profile will be documented in the ontology documentation

15:57:45 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:57:49 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:57:49 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:57:49 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:57:49 <Curt> +1

+1

15:57:51 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:57:51 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:57:52 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

15:57:53 <smiles> +1 (to the limited extent of my knowledge)

Simon Miles: +1 (to the limited extent of my knowledge)

15:57:54 <stephenc> +1

Stephen Cresswell: +1

15:57:56 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:57:56 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

15:57:59 <zednik> q+

Stephan Zednik: q+

15:58:17 <tlebo> q+

Timothy Lebo: q+

15:58:17 <Curt> zednik: do we have guidelines on which deviations will be permitted?

Stephan Zednik: do we have guidelines on which deviations will be permitted?

15:58:23 <pgroth> ack zednik

Paul Groth: ack zednik

15:58:36 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:58:38 <Curt> tlebo: unions in domains/ranges ok for now, other changes need to be considered

Timothy Lebo: unions in domains/ranges ok for now, other changes need to be considered

15:58:52 <pgroth> ack tlebo

Paul Groth: ack tlebo

15:59:00 <tlebo> q-

Timothy Lebo: q-

15:59:03 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:59:03 <zednik> q-

Stephan Zednik: q-

15:59:06 <Curt> zednik: what about existential dependents (?)?

Stephan Zednik: what about existential dependents (?)?

15:59:28 <Curt> luc: RL will work ok even with non-RL compliant constructs

Luc Moreau: RL will work ok even with non-RL compliant constructs

15:59:34 <Curt> tlebo: yes, it will skip over them

Timothy Lebo: yes, it will skip over them

15:59:56 <tlebo> the simplicity of RL is that it's based on a set of rules application.

Timothy Lebo: the simplicity of RL is that it's based on a set of rules application.

16:00:03 <Curt> pgroth: try to stick with RL as a baseline

Paul Groth: try to stick with RL as a baseline

16:00:35 <tlebo> @zednik, go a head and raise the ISSUE so we can consider it.

Timothy Lebo: @zednik, go a head and raise the ISSUE so we can consider it.

16:00:41 <Curt> pgroth: make an argument for each other non-RL thing to use

Paul Groth: make an argument for each other non-RL thing to use

16:00:55 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:01:05 <pgroth> accepted: the ontology will be based on OWL-RL and any deviations from that profile will be documented in the ontology documentation

RESOLVED: the ontology will be based on OWL-RL and any deviations from that profile will be documented in the ontology documentation

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16:01:14 <SamCoppens> Thanks, Bye

Sam Coppens: Thanks, Bye

16:01:14 <zednik> @tlebo, raise the issue on guidelines or on existential dependence?

Stephan Zednik: @tlebo, raise the issue on guidelines or on existential dependence?

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16:01:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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16:01:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/19-prov-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/19-prov-minutes.html trackbot

16:01:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

16:01:54 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items

16:01:56 <Zakim> -??P1

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