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Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 22 March 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.03.22
Seen
Christine Runnegar, Curt Tilmes, Daniel Garijo, Graham Klyne, James Cheney, Jun Zhao, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Michael Lang, Paolo Missier, Paul Groth, Sandro Hawke, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Ted Thibodeau, Timothy Lebo
Chair
Paul Groth
Scribe
Curt Tilmes
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
  1. Admin

    The group was reminded of the time change next week. Additionally, the schedule until the synchronous release was gone over. Paul gave an update on his progress on developing a new version of the prov-aq.

  2. Prov-dm

    Luc and Paolo presented the status of prov-dm. In particular, the component organization was focused on. The group was asked to give input on the definitions for alternate and specialization. Reviewers were identified for the three different documents that make up the DM: Prov-dm - Tim, Khalid, Satya, Curt, Jun ; Prov-dm-constraints - James, Tim, Graham ; Prov-N - Khalid, Simon, Tim

  3. Prov-o

    An update on the status of prov-o was given. The document has been reorganized and authors have been identified to contribute to the various parts of the document. The group is on track to release by next week. Reviewers were identified for prov-o: Luc, Paul, Simon

  4. Primer

    An update on the status of the primer was given. Input was given to Simon by Stian and Paolo. Simon is looking for examples for some of the constructs and was pointed to the coverage page. The primer should be on schedule for release. Reviewers were identified for the next release: Paolo, Christine, Curt

  5. Schedule

    The group revisited the schedule based on current progress. The following time table was agreed to: April 2 - drafts released to the working group for review. April 9 reviews submitted. A vote on release will happen on April 12 if possible but otherwise on April 19.

  6. Namespace Unification

    The idea for a common namespace across the various products of the WG has been proposed a number of times. Paul put out a concrete proposal to adopt a particular namespace with a corresponding landing page. This approach seemed to have broad support in the group, however, there were questions about the ramifications of a choice of namespace on both XML and rdf processing tools (i.e. do we have a # or not in the namespace). Sandro agreed to ask xml experts on the issue and get back to the group with their opinion.

14:52:15 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/03/22-prov-irc

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14:52:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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14:52:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be

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14:52:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

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14:52:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:52:20 <trackbot> Date: 22 March 2012
14:52:25 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV

Paul Groth: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:52:28 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

14:52:44 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.03.22
14:52:51 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
14:53:04 <pgroth> Scribe: Curt Tilmes

(Scribe set to Curt Tilmes)

14:53:12 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public

Paul Groth: rrsagent, make logs public

14:55:18 <pgroth> anybody, having problems with Zakim?

Paul Groth: anybody, having problems with Zakim?

14:55:56 <pgroth> curt, thanks for scribing

Paul Groth: curt, thanks for scribing

14:56:00 <pgroth> it's all set up

Paul Groth: it's all set up

14:56:00 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

14:56:02 <Curt> np

np

14:56:07 <Zakim> +Curt_Tilmes

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14:57:23 <pgroth> anybody having problems with Zakim?

Paul Groth: anybody having problems with Zakim?

14:57:50 <Zakim> +??P39

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P39

14:58:50 <MacTed> I'm not familiar enough with Hg....

Ted Thibodeau: I'm not familiar enough with Hg....

14:58:50 <MacTed> can someone tweak the opposite-of-generated example from "prov:consumedBy" to "prov:wasConsumedBy" to more properly parallel "prov:wasGeneratedBy"?

Ted Thibodeau: can someone tweak the opposite-of-generated example from "prov:consumedBy" to "prov:wasConsumedBy" to more properly parallel "prov:wasGeneratedBy"?

14:59:21 <pgroth> having trouble joining

Paul Groth: having trouble joining

14:59:50 <Zakim> + +4238059aaaa

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14:59:53 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:59:55 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo

15:00:06 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[OpenLink]

15:00:07 <Luc> zakim, +4238059aaaa is me

Luc Moreau: zakim, +4238059aaaa is me

15:00:08 <Zakim> +Luc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc; got it

15:00:09 <MacTed> (it's either add "was" to the consumption, or remove it from the generation...)

Ted Thibodeau: (it's either add "was" to the consumption, or remove it from the generation...)

15:00:18 <MacTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me

15:00:18 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

15:00:20 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:00:20 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:00:39 <Luc> trackbot, start telcon

Luc Moreau: trackbot, start telcon

15:00:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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15:00:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be

15:00:44 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV

Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV

15:00:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:00:44 <trackbot> Date: 22 March 2012
15:00:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

15:00:50 <Zakim> ok, Luc, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Luc, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started

15:00:54 <Zakim> +??P44

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P44

15:00:58 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

15:01:04 <pgroth> Zakim, who is on the call?

Paul Groth: Zakim, who is on the call?

15:01:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Curt_Tilmes, ??P39, Luc, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, MacTed (muted), ??P44

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Curt_Tilmes, ??P39, Luc, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, MacTed (muted), ??P44

15:01:22 <Zakim> +tlebo

Zakim IRC Bot: +tlebo

15:01:29 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P44 is me

Paul Groth: Zakim, ??P44 is me

15:01:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Curt_Tilmes, ??P39, Luc, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, MacTed (muted), ??P44, tlebo

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Curt_Tilmes, ??P39, Luc, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, MacTed (muted), ??P44, tlebo

15:01:40 <Paolo> zakim, ??P39 is me

Paolo Missier: zakim, ??P39 is me

15:01:40 <Zakim> + +1.443.708.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.443.708.aabb

15:01:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see GK1, dgarijo, satya, zednik, Paolo, Luc, tlebo, Curt, Zakim, RRSAgent, pgroth, MacTed, stain, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see GK1, dgarijo, satya, zednik, Paolo, Luc, tlebo, Curt, Zakim, RRSAgent, pgroth, MacTed, stain, trackbot, sandro

15:02:01 <Zakim> +??P1

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15:02:03 <MacTed> Luc has a somewhat bad connection...  fuzzes a lot on vocals

Ted Thibodeau: Luc has a somewhat bad connection... fuzzes a lot on vocals

15:02:07 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it

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15:02:10 <dgarijo> zakim, ??P1 is me

Daniel Garijo: zakim, ??P1 is me

15:02:14 <Zakim> +Paolo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Paolo; got it

15:02:42 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it

15:02:49 <Zakim> -Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc

15:03:24 <Zakim> +Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc

15:03:39 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18

15:03:54 <GK> zakim, ??P18 is me

Graham Klyne: zakim, ??P18 is me

15:03:57 <pgroth> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

Summary: The group was reminded of the time change next week. Additionally, the schedule until the synchronous release was gone over. Paul gave an update on his progress on developing a new version of the prov-aq.

<pgroth> Summary: The group was reminded of the time change next week. Additionally, the schedule until the synchronous release was gone over. Paul gave an update on his progress on developing a new version of the prov-aq.
15:04:01 <Zakim> +sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro

15:04:05 <pgroth> Minutes of the March 15 2012 Telecon http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-03-15

Paul Groth: Minutes of the March 15 2012 Telecon http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-03-15

15:04:09 <Zakim> +GK; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it

15:04:12 <Curt> +1

+1

15:04:16 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:04:19 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:04:20 <mike_> +1

Michael Lang: +1

15:04:21 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

15:04:25 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:04:27 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

15:04:35 <GK> +1

Graham Klyne: +1

15:04:41 <jun> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

Jun Zhao: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

15:04:58 <pgroth> Approved Minutes of the March 15 2012 Telecon

Paul Groth: Approved Minutes of the March 15 2012 Telecon

15:05:12 <Zakim> +jun; got it

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15:05:13 <Zakim> +??P21

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21

15:05:26 <Curt> pgroth: time change reminder -- return next week to normal times

Paul Groth: time change reminder -- return next week to normal times

15:05:45 <Curt> ... please sign up scribes

... please sign up scribes

15:06:08 <Curt> ... open actions - paul has drafted PAQ review

... open actions - paul has drafted PAQ review

15:06:12 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

15:06:20 <jcheney> zakim, ??P8 is me

James Cheney: zakim, ??P8 is me

15:06:20 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney; got it

15:06:24 <Curt> ... graham still needs to review that

... graham still needs to review that

15:06:45 <pgroth> +q?

Paul Groth: +q?

15:06:46 <Curt> ... he just got it -- he will address this week or next

... he just got it -- he will address this week or next

15:06:47 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:06:48 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:07:04 <GK> I'm tied up with project work this week, but should havew time to review next week.

Graham Klyne: I'm tied up with project work this week, but should havew time to review next week.

15:07:04 <Curt> luc: is the plan to release the PAQ synced with the others?

Luc Moreau: is the plan to release the PAQ synced with the others?

15:07:32 <Curt> pgroth: depends -- it may be difficult to do that, graham may be able to get things and we might be able to do it

Paul Groth: depends -- it may be difficult to do that, graham may be able to get things and we might be able to do it

15:07:42 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:07:42 <Curt> ... we'll at least try to get a synced draft release

... we'll at least try to get a synced draft release

15:07:44 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:07:45 <pgroth> ack ?

Paul Groth: ack ?

15:07:46 <GK> (lost my sound briefly then)

Graham Klyne: (lost my sound briefly then)

15:07:48 <Zakim> -jun

Zakim IRC Bot: -jun

15:08:09 <pgroth> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0An15kLxkaMA3dFVCWm9aREZFemNOYjlGQjdPRkdFZXc

Paul Groth: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0An15kLxkaMA3dFVCWm9aREZFemNOYjlGQjdPRkdFZXc

15:08:09 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25

15:08:15 <Curt> pgroth: review updated time schedule from google doc

Paul Groth: review updated time schedule from google doc

15:08:18 <jun> zakim, ??P25 is me

Jun Zhao: zakim, ??P25 is me

15:08:18 <Zakim> +jun; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jun; got it

15:08:36 <Curt> ... synced release of docs in mid-april

... synced release of docs in mid-april

15:08:54 <Curt> ... drafts available to the group by the end of next week for internal review

... drafts available to the group by the end of next week for internal review

15:09:12 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:09:15 <Zakim> +??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10

15:09:20 <Curt> ... a lot of work has happened, we need the synced release to show progress

... a lot of work has happened, we need the synced release to show progress

15:09:26 <pgroth> Topic: Prov-dm

2. Prov-dm

Summary: Luc and Paolo presented the status of prov-dm. In particular, the component organization was focused on. The group was asked to give input on the definitions for alternate and specialization. Reviewers were identified for the three different documents that make up the DM: Prov-dm - Tim, Khalid, Satya, Curt, Jun ; Prov-dm-constraints - James, Tim, Graham ; Prov-N - Khalid, Simon, Tim

<pgroth> Summary: Luc and Paolo presented the status of prov-dm. In particular, the component organization was focused on. The group was asked to give input on the definitions for alternate and specialization. Reviewers were identified for the three different documents that make up the DM: Prov-dm - Tim, Khalid, Satya, Curt, Jun ; Prov-dm-constraints - James, Tim, Graham ; Prov-N - Khalid, Simon, Tim
15:09:48 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html

Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html

15:10:04 <Curt> luc: much work in the last week, revised editors draft exists, not quite ready for review

Luc Moreau: much work in the last week, revised editors draft exists, not quite ready for review

15:10:12 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#data-model-components

Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#data-model-components

15:10:16 <Curt> ... structure revised

... structure revised

15:10:41 <Paolo> you'll need to scroll down as usual

Paolo Missier: you'll need to scroll down as usual

15:10:54 <Curt> ... section 4 beginning, has a picture of the 6 components

... section 4 beginning, has a picture of the 6 components

15:11:26 <Curt> ... for each component, we have a short overview and UML diagram depicting the relationships between components

... for each component, we have a short overview and UML diagram depicting the relationships between components

15:11:41 <Luc> : http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#section-example-a

Luc Moreau: : http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#section-example-a

15:11:43 <Curt> ... things are taking shape, the essence we wanted to incorporate is there

... things are taking shape, the essence we wanted to incorporate is there

15:11:55 <Zakim> +??P15

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15

15:12:01 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P15 is me

Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, ??P15 is me

15:12:01 <Zakim> +khalidbelhajjame; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidbelhajjame; got it

15:12:07 <tlebo> colors and tetris. All right!

Timothy Lebo: colors and tetris. All right!

15:12:12 <Curt> ... section 3.1 has a revised picture taking into account feedback

... section 3.1 has a revised picture taking into account feedback

15:12:17 <Luc>  http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-n.html

Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-n.html

15:12:29 <Curt> ... PROV-N updated editors draft

... PROV-N updated editors draft

15:12:31 <GK> (This linking problem is a respec anomaly -- once page is loaded, clicking on section link works.)

Graham Klyne: (This linking problem is a respec anomaly -- once page is loaded, clicking on section link works.)

15:12:49 <Curt> ... definition of production, some conflicts resolved, taking shape now

... definition of production, some conflicts resolved, taking shape now

15:12:50 <Paolo> @tlebo  I like to think it's a tangram :-)

Paolo Missier: @tlebo I like to think it's a tangram :-)

15:13:04 <Curt> ... still working on collections -- more expected in the coming week

... still working on collections -- more expected in the coming week

15:13:08 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#glossary-alternate

Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#glossary-alternate

15:13:19 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#glossary-specialization

Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#glossary-specialization

15:13:32 <Curt> ... solicit contributions for short english definitions for some concepts

... solicit contributions for short english definitions for some concepts

15:13:44 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:13:46 <Curt> ... please email suggestions to luc/paolo and they will incorporate

... please email suggestions to luc/paolo and they will incorporate

15:13:57 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-wasInformedBy

Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-wasInformedBy

15:14:07 <GK> Do we really need alternates/specialization in part 1?

Graham Klyne: Do we really need alternates/specialization in part 1?

15:14:23 <Luc> Communication

Luc Moreau: Communication

15:14:39 <Luc> Start By Activity (wasStartedByActivity) http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-wasStartedByActivity

Luc Moreau: Start By Activity (wasStartedByActivity) http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-wasStartedByActivity

15:14:49 <Curt> ... wasInformedBy relation unclear -- suggesting "communication", read that section of the document

... wasInformedBy relation unclear -- suggesting "communication", read that section of the document

15:14:49 <dgarijo> what about dependency?

Daniel Garijo: what about dependency?

15:15:27 <Curt> luc: next steps to get to release, still going through some feedback

Luc Moreau: next steps to get to release, still going through some feedback

15:16:06 <Curt> paolo: constraints need some work

Paolo Missier: constraints need some work

15:16:33 <Curt> ... how hard is the deadline next week?  many things have to happen in the next week...

... how hard is the deadline next week? many things have to happen in the next week...

15:17:22 <Curt> luc: it is challenging to get 3 documents all together at once.  section 2 needs some work

Luc Moreau: it is challenging to get 3 documents all together at once. section 2 needs some work

15:17:47 <Curt> ... help on definitions would be welcome

... help on definitions would be welcome

15:18:08 <Curt> paolo: part1, 3 are the priority

Paolo Missier: part1, 3 are the priority

15:18:28 <Curt> pgroth: review other documents status, then discuss timeline

Paul Groth: review other documents status, then discuss timeline

15:18:48 <Curt> ... still need to line up reviewers for various documents

... still need to line up reviewers for various documents

15:19:01 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:19:03 <Curt> ... that will help inform timeline

... that will help inform timeline

15:19:43 <pgroth> Prov-dm Reviewers

Paul Groth: Prov-dm Reviewers

15:19:47 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:19:49 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:19:50 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:19:54 <Curt> pgroth: need reviewers for each of three documents

Paul Groth: need reviewers for each of three documents

15:19:58 <Curt> +1

+1

15:20:15 <jun> +1

Jun Zhao: +1

15:20:15 <satya> q+

Satya Sahoo: q+

15:20:53 <Luc> @satya: documents are not ready!!!!!!

Luc Moreau: @satya: documents are not ready!!!!!!

15:21:07 <pgroth> ack satya

Paul Groth: ack satya

15:21:21 <pgroth> Prov-dm-constraints Reviewers

Paul Groth: Prov-dm-constraints Reviewers

15:21:30 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:21:35 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:21:38 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:21:40 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:21:56 <GK> I'll plan to review "constraints", provided it's available before April

Graham Klyne: I'll plan to review "constraints", provided it's available before April

15:22:28 <pgroth> Prov-n Reviewers

Paul Groth: Prov-n Reviewers

15:22:33 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:22:36 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:22:37 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:23:03 <pgroth> Topic: Prov-o

3. Prov-o

Summary: An update on the status of prov-o was given. The document has been reorganized and authors have been identified to contribute to the various parts of the document. The group is on track to release by next week. Reviewers were identified for prov-o: Luc, Paul, Simon

<pgroth> Summary: An update on the status of prov-o was given. The document has been reorganized and authors have been identified to contribute to the various parts of the document. The group is on track to release by next week. Reviewers were identified for prov-o: Luc, Paul, Simon
15:23:37 <Curt> tlebo: reorganized HTML document, emphasizing difference between simple/extended

Timothy Lebo: reorganized HTML document, emphasizing difference between simple/extended

15:23:48 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.03.22#PROV-O

Timothy Lebo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.03.22#PROV-O

15:23:55 <Curt> ... new design in progress, met monday and assigned some writing sections

... new design in progress, met monday and assigned some writing sections

15:24:12 <Curt> ... getting together early next week, draft available next friday

... getting together early next week, draft available next friday

15:24:15 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:25:05 <pgroth> Reviewers Prov-o

Paul Groth: Reviewers Prov-o

15:25:08 <Luc> +1

Luc Moreau: +1

15:25:16 <pgroth> +1

Paul Groth: +1

15:25:40 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:25:58 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:26:03 <GK> I think the most important reviews of PROV-O will come from implementers like Stian

Graham Klyne: I think the most important reviews of PROV-O will come from implementers like Stian

15:26:22 <Curt> luc: for next week, editors of the documents should identify specific questions for reviewers to address

Luc Moreau: for next week, editors of the documents should identify specific questions for reviewers to address

15:26:37 <khalidbelhajjame> @Graham, Stian is part of the provo team :-)

Khalid Belhajjame: @Graham, Stian is part of the provo team :-)

15:26:53 <Curt> pgroth: this is a review to determine public release, should they go public?

Paul Groth: this is a review to determine public release, should they go public?

15:26:58 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:27:00 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:27:05 <pgroth> Topic: Primer

4. Primer

Summary: An update on the status of the primer was given. Input was given to Simon by Stian and Paolo. Simon is looking for examples for some of the constructs and was pointed to the coverage page. The primer should be on schedule for release. Reviewers were identified for the next release: Paolo, Christine, Curt

<pgroth> Summary: An update on the status of the primer was given. Input was given to Simon by Stian and Paolo. Simon is looking for examples for some of the constructs and was pointed to the coverage page. The primer should be on schedule for release. Reviewers were identified for the next release: Paolo, Christine, Curt
15:27:06 <GK> @Khalid - Even better!

Graham Klyne: @Khalid - Even better!

15:27:07 <Curt> luc: that is one question, there may be others

Luc Moreau: that is one question, there may be others

15:27:42 <Zakim> -??P10

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15:27:52 <Curt> gk: still revising, determine if other docs are stable to incorporate any change back into the primer

Simon Miles: still revising, determine if other docs are stable to incorporate any change back into the primer

15:28:18 <GK> @Curt ^^ That was Simon, I think

Graham Klyne: @Curt ^^ That was Simon, I think

15:28:34 <Curt> s/gk/smiles/
15:28:37 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:29:03 <Curt> smiles: looking for examples to put in

Simon Miles: looking for examples to put in

15:29:11 <Curt> tlebo: use the big example collection online

Timothy Lebo: use the big example collection online

15:29:23 <Zakim> +??P10

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15:29:37 <Curt> smiles: examples organized by domain, not by concept -- need to find focused examples for concepts

Simon Miles: examples organized by domain, not by concept -- need to find focused examples for concepts

15:30:02 <Curt> tlebo: we might try to pick trivial examples for each concept

Timothy Lebo: we might try to pick trivial examples for each concept

15:30:26 <Curt> ... look at the descriptions -- it lists the constructs that various examples use

... look at the descriptions -- it lists the constructs that various examples use

15:30:37 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:30:40 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:30:49 <pgroth> Primer Reviewers

Paul Groth: Primer Reviewers

15:30:50 <Curt> ... might be out of date, let me know if something needs to get updated

... might be out of date, let me know if something needs to get updated

15:30:58 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:30:58 <tlebo> coverage page: http://aquarius.tw.rpi.edu/prov-wg/provrdf-owl-coverage shows which constructs are used in which examples (or did, or should...)

Timothy Lebo: coverage page: http://aquarius.tw.rpi.edu/prov-wg/provrdf-owl-coverage shows which constructs are used in which examples (or did, or should...)

15:30:59 <Christine> +1 if you think it would be useful

Christine Runnegar: +1 if you think it would be useful

15:30:59 <Curt> +1

+1

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15:31:19 <Luc> Will review, but may not meet deadline if still editing prov-dm-*

Luc Moreau: Will review, but may not meet deadline if still editing prov-dm-*

15:31:27 <pgroth> Topic: Schedule

5. Schedule

Summary: The group revisited the schedule based on current progress. The following time table was agreed to: April 2 - drafts released to the working group for review. April 9 reviews submitted. A vote on release will happen on April 12 if possible but otherwise on April 19.

<pgroth> Summary: The group revisited the schedule based on current progress. The following time table was agreed to: April 2 - drafts released to the working group for review. April 9 reviews submitted. A vote on release will happen on April 12 if possible but otherwise on April 19.
15:31:41 <smiles> @tlebo great, thanks

Simon Miles: @tlebo great, thanks

15:31:49 <Curt> pgroth: schedule -- editors can you meet the target dates?

Paul Groth: schedule -- editors can you meet the target dates?

15:31:51 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:32:03 <Paolo> q+

Paolo Missier: q+

15:32:15 <tlebo> @smiles, some of it looks broken, if there's a particualr question you need answered, point it out to me, please.

Timothy Lebo: @smiles, some of it looks broken, if there's a particualr question you need answered, point it out to me, please.

15:32:21 <GK> Might it be helpful to stagger releases, so reviewers aren't overcommitted?

Graham Klyne: Might it be helpful to stagger releases, so reviewers aren't overcommitted?

15:32:36 <Curt> paolo: two out of three parts, next friday possible, part 2 maybe the next week

Paolo Missier: two out of three parts, next friday possible, part 2 maybe the next week

15:32:41 <pgroth> ack Paolo

Paul Groth: ack Paolo

15:32:48 <tlebo> q+

Timothy Lebo: q+

15:32:51 <Curt> luc: yes, I would like to do that

Luc Moreau: yes, I would like to do that

15:33:11 <tlebo> Friday is reasonable target, early the follwoing week is realistic

Timothy Lebo: Friday is reasonable target, early the follwoing week is realistic

15:33:12 <Curt> luc: PROV-DM,PROV-N by friday; constraints early the next week

Luc Moreau: PROV-DM,PROV-N by friday; constraints early the next week

15:33:32 <GK> It might be difficult for me to get a printed copy for review oif not available by 3-Apr

Graham Klyne: It might be difficult for me to get a printed copy for review oif not available by 3-Apr

15:33:32 <Curt> tlebo: next friday possible, early the next week more realistic for PROV-O

Timothy Lebo: next friday possible, early the next week more realistic for PROV-O

15:33:47 <Curt> smiles: next friday ok

Simon Miles: next friday ok

15:34:11 <Curt> pgroth: how about Monday the second, but earlier if possible

Paul Groth: how about Monday the second, but earlier if possible

15:34:21 <smiles> Fine by me

Simon Miles: Fine by me

15:34:22 <Luc> review timetable?

Luc Moreau: review timetable?

15:34:52 <Curt> pgroth: if we do Monday 2nd, then use 1 week for review

Paul Groth: if we do Monday 2nd, then use 1 week for review

15:34:54 <pgroth> 4/9 for reviews back

Paul Groth: 4/9 for reviews back

15:35:04 <Luc> easter vacations ....

Luc Moreau: easter vacations ....

15:35:21 <GK> 1 week for review would be OK for me.

Graham Klyne: 1 week for review would be OK for me.

15:35:32 <tlebo> leaves 1.5 weeks to review, no? (was 2 weeks)

Timothy Lebo: leaves 1.5 weeks to review, no? (was 2 weeks)

15:35:43 <Luc> i can review provo on 4th in time for the 5th telecon

Luc Moreau: i can review provo on 4th in time for the 5th telecon

15:35:57 <Paolo> if I am doing just the primer, won't take long. I would like to contribute a new example for collections. So, 2 days

Paolo Missier: if I am doing just the primer, won't take long. I would like to contribute a new example for collections. So, 2 days

15:36:11 <Curt> pgroth: the 2 weeks was 1 week to review, 1 week to respond to the review

Paul Groth: the 2 weeks was 1 week to review, 1 week to respond to the review

15:36:19 <tlebo> @paul, got it. 1 week to review and 1 week to reflect feedback.

Timothy Lebo: @paul, got it. 1 week to review and 1 week to reflect feedback.

15:36:56 <Curt> luc: release/voting had been planned for 12th, probably not realistic with new schedule, esp. with Easter et al.

Luc Moreau: release/voting had been planned for 12th, probably not realistic with new schedule, esp. with Easter et al.

15:37:27 <Curt> pgroth: what about 4/19 for formal vote for release

Paul Groth: what about 4/19 for formal vote for release

15:37:31 <pgroth> Vote April 19

Paul Groth: Vote April 19

15:37:33 <Curt> luc: at the latest

Luc Moreau: at the latest

15:37:56 <smiles> q+

Simon Miles: q+

15:38:02 <pgroth> ack tlebo

Paul Groth: ack tlebo

15:38:04 <pgroth> ack smiles

Paul Groth: ack smiles

15:38:29 <Curt> smiles: clarify

Simon Miles: clarify

15:38:49 <Curt> pgroth: one of the questions for review -- are there release blockers?

Paul Groth: one of the questions for review -- are there release blockers?

15:39:07 <Curt> ... if there are things that can be addressed later, that's ok

... if there are things that can be addressed later, that's ok

15:39:41 <Curt> smiles: even non-reviewers need to read enough to determine their vote

Simon Miles: even non-reviewers need to read enough to determine their vote

15:39:55 <Luc> yes, everybody will be invited to review

Luc Moreau: yes, everybody will be invited to review

15:40:34 <pgroth> Revised schedule

Paul Groth: Revised schedule

15:40:43 <pgroth> 4/2 for release to reviewers

Paul Groth: 4/2 for release to reviewers

15:40:54 <pgroth> and working group

Paul Groth: and working group

15:41:12 <pgroth> 4/9 reviews in

Paul Groth: 4/9 reviews in

15:41:23 <pgroth> 4/19 vote by working group

Paul Groth: 4/19 vote by working group

15:41:27 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:41:37 <tlebo> looks fine

Timothy Lebo: looks fine

15:41:49 <Paolo> works for me

Paolo Missier: works for me

15:41:50 <satya> works for me

Satya Sahoo: works for me

15:41:53 <jun> +1

Jun Zhao: +1

15:42:00 <jcheney> I may need another day or two = the period from 4/2-4/9 is super busy for me

James Cheney: I may need another day or two = the period from 4/2-4/9 is super busy for me

15:42:00 <Curt> luc: potentially earlier, perhaps 4/12 if possible

Luc Moreau: potentially earlier, perhaps 4/12 if possible

15:42:06 <khalidbelhajjame> good for me

Khalid Belhajjame: good for me

15:42:18 <smiles> Yes, possible I think

Simon Miles: Yes, possible I think

15:42:45 <Curt> pgroth: reviewers should focus on question of release

Paul Groth: reviewers should focus on question of release

15:42:47 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:42:58 <pgroth> Topic: Namespace Unification

6. Namespace Unification

Summary: The idea for a common namespace across the various products of the WG has been proposed a number of times. Paul put out a concrete proposal to adopt a particular namespace with a corresponding landing page. This approach seemed to have broad support in the group, however, there were questions about the ramifications of a choice of namespace on both XML and rdf processing tools (i.e. do we have a # or not in the namespace). Sandro agreed to ask xml experts on the issue and get back to the group with their opinion.

<pgroth> Summary: The idea for a common namespace across the various products of the WG has been proposed a number of times. Paul put out a concrete proposal to adopt a particular namespace with a corresponding landing page. This approach seemed to have broad support in the group, however, there were questions about the ramifications of a choice of namespace on both XML and rdf processing tools (i.e. do we have a # or not in the namespace). Sandro agreed to ask xml experts on the issue and get back to the group with their opinion.
15:43:11 <pgroth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Mar/0386.html

Paul Groth: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Mar/0386.html

15:43:37 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#

15:43:42 <Curt> pgroth: put out proposal^

Paul Groth: put out proposal^

15:43:59 <Curt> pgroth: that would point to landing page with glossary of all the terms

Paul Groth: that would point to landing page with glossary of all the terms

15:44:27 <Curt> ... content negotiation would return OWL/TTL/XSD as requested

... content negotiation would return OWL/TTL/XSD as requested

15:44:33 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:44:35 <GK> q+ to ask Do tools that try to read ontologies generally generate  accept headers?

Graham Klyne: q+ to ask Do tools that try to read ontologies generally generate accept headers?

15:45:08 <pgroth> ack GK

Paul Groth: ack GK

15:45:08 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to ask Do tools that try to read ontologies generally generate  accept headers?

Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to ask Do tools that try to read ontologies generally generate accept headers?

15:45:26 <MacTed> voice is there, but it's not OK....  lots of breakup.  some is comprehensible, most is not.

Ted Thibodeau: voice is there, but it's not OK.... lots of breakup. some is comprehensible, most is not.

15:45:33 <Curt> gk: <breaking up> will the tools be able to retrieve the right thing?

Graham Klyne: <breaking up> will the tools be able to retrieve the right thing?

15:45:37 <tlebo> @gk, AFIAK, yes. Tools do request RDF. If they don't, they should.

Timothy Lebo: @gk, AFIAK, yes. Tools do request RDF. If they don't, they should.

15:45:46 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:45:52 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:46:27 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema# in rdf

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema# in rdf

15:46:34 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema in xml.

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema in xml.

15:46:59 <Curt> luc: I'm fine with pgroth proposal, but we also had a namespace for the XML schema, is the hash compatible?

Luc Moreau: I'm fine with pgroth proposal, but we also had a namespace for the XML schema, is the hash compatible?

15:47:30 <Zakim> -??P21

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15:47:45 <GK> AFAIK, The choice of XML namespace for XSD preceded the use of namespaces for RDF, and the issue of concatanating namespace+local to forkm a URI didn't arise.

Graham Klyne: AFAIK, The choice of XML namespace for XSD preceded the use of namespaces for RDF, and the issue of concatanating namespace+local to forkm a URI didn't arise.

15:47:46 <tlebo> q+ to state that # is part of the fragid, and is taken off before HTTP request. Also, all w3 namespaces uses the #.

Timothy Lebo: q+ to state that # is part of the fragid, and is taken off before HTTP request. Also, all w3 namespaces uses the #.

15:48:00 <Curt> pgroth: if you use RDF, you use the hash, with XML, you don't [??] you still dereference to the same place

Paul Groth: if you use RDF, you use the hash, with XML, you don't [??] you still dereference to the same place

15:48:20 <Curt> tlebo: you have to remove the fragement when you request the URI with HTTP

Timothy Lebo: you have to remove the fragment when you request the URI with HTTP

15:48:32 <Curt> s/fragement/fragment/
15:48:46 <pgroth> sandro are you there?

Paul Groth: sandro are you there?

15:48:50 <Curt> tlebo: others use the hash the way we are proposing

Timothy Lebo: others use the hash the way we are proposing

15:48:56 <GK> (I('m looking in XML namespace spec at moment)

Graham Klyne: (I('m looking in XML namespace spec at moment)

15:48:59 <zednik> '#' is for client side processing, yes?

Stephan Zednik: '#' is for client side processing, yes?

15:49:19 <pgroth> : http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#

Paul Groth: : http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#

15:49:21 <Curt> luc: not sure -- it is frustrating to have to use two different namespaces

Luc Moreau: not sure -- it is frustrating to have to use two different namespaces

15:49:22 <pgroth> : http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema##

Paul Groth: : http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema##

15:49:29 <sandro> (I am here, pgroth and trying to page in the details)

Sandro Hawke: (I am here, pgroth and trying to page in the details)

15:49:39 <Curt> pgroth: XML usage would double the hash

Paul Groth: XML usage would double the hash

15:49:46 <GK> [Definition: An XML namespace is identified by a URI reference http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/#URIRef; element and attribute names may be placed in an XML namespace using the mechanisms described in this specification. ]

Graham Klyne: [Definition: An XML namespace is identified by a URI reference http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/#URIRef; element and attribute names may be placed in an XML namespace using the mechanisms described in this specification. ]

15:49:53 <GK> That's from XML namespace spec

Graham Klyne: That's from XML namespace spec

15:49:59 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/rif

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/rif

15:50:07 <GK> That allows a '#' in the namespace URI for XML namespaces

Graham Klyne: That allows a '#' in the namespace URI for XML namespaces

15:50:24 <GK> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/#concepts

Graham Klyne: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/#concepts

15:50:33 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:50:34 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted

15:50:35 <Curt> sandro: RIF used the hash within the XML usage, didn't get pushback

Sandro Hawke: RIF used the hash within the XML usage, didn't get pushback

15:50:38 <MacTed> q+

Ted Thibodeau: q+

15:50:46 <pgroth> ack tlebo

Paul Groth: ack tlebo

15:50:46 <Zakim> tlebo, you wanted to state that # is part of the fragid, and is taken off before HTTP request. Also, all w3 namespaces uses the #.

Zakim IRC Bot: tlebo, you wanted to state that # is part of the fragid, and is taken off before HTTP request. Also, all w3 namespaces uses the #.

15:50:49 <Curt> sandro: the hash is very normal within RDF community

Sandro Hawke: the hash is very normal within RDF community

15:51:09 <Curt> macted: hash is problematic, esp. since it is really a client side thing

Ted Thibodeau: hash is problematic, esp. since it is really a client side thing

15:51:10 <GK> q+ to note that my reading of spec says '#' OK in XML namespace ... see notes above

Graham Klyne: q+ to note that my reading of spec says '#' OK in XML namespace ... see notes above

15:51:30 <pgroth> ack MacTed

Paul Groth: ack MacTed

15:51:31 <GK> Tools that send '#' are BROKEN

Graham Klyne: Tools that send '#' are BROKEN

15:51:31 <Curt> macted: a small number of tools send it to the server

Ted Thibodeau: a small number of tools send it to the server

15:51:53 <MacTed> Zakim, mute

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute

15:51:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute', MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'mute', MacTed

15:51:55 <pgroth> can you not talk into your mike

Paul Groth: can you not talk into your mike

15:51:56 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:51:56 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:52:24 <Curt> pgroth: how can we best resolve this?

Paul Groth: how can we best resolve this?

15:52:50 <Curt> pgroth: this plan sounds good, but how can we determine if it is correct?

Paul Groth: this plan sounds good, but how can we determine if it is correct?

15:53:14 <Curt> sandro: I'll consult with XML experts, schema workgroup, etc.

Sandro Hawke: I'll consult with XML experts, schema workgroup, etc.

15:53:45 <Curt> pgroth: semantic web activity group?

Paul Groth: semantic web activity group?

15:53:54 <GK> What we could do for now is choose a '#' URI and document our rationale that this is OK in XML (see above), and ask for explcit review in PWD.

Graham Klyne: What we could do for now is choose a '#' URI and document our rationale that this is OK in XML (see above), and ask for explcit review in PWD.

15:53:58 <Curt> sandro: this is really an XML question

Sandro Hawke: this is really an XML question

15:54:25 <Curt> sandro: could also ask semantic web coordination group

Sandro Hawke: could also ask semantic web coordination group

15:54:31 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#used refers to #used at http://www.w3.org/ns/prov -- isn't this the same as what luc's xml schema is referencing?

Timothy Lebo: http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#used refers to #used at http://www.w3.org/ns/prov -- isn't this the same as what luc's xml schema is referencing?

15:54:35 <tlebo> q+

Timothy Lebo: q+

15:54:43 <pgroth> ack GK

Paul Groth: ack GK

15:54:43 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to note that my reading of spec says '#' OK in XML namespace ... see notes above

Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to note that my reading of spec says '#' OK in XML namespace ... see notes above

15:54:46 <GK> ack gk

Graham Klyne: ack gk

15:54:48 <Curt> sandro: will draft an email requesting input from others

Sandro Hawke: will draft an email requesting input from others

15:54:55 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:54:59 <pgroth> ack tlebo

Paul Groth: ack tlebo

15:55:27 <Curt> tlebo: namespace shouldn't have the hash

Timothy Lebo: namespace shouldn't have the hash

15:55:37 <Curt> sandro: do any tools break?

Sandro Hawke: do any tools break?

15:56:20 <GK> RDF really likes the namespace to end with '#' or '/' - so that the parts can be teased apart later.

Graham Klyne: RDF really likes the namespace to end with '#' or '/' - so that the parts can be teased apart later.

15:56:28 <Curt> luc: esp. with RDFa, you are using RDF and XML together, namespace declarations just define 'prov'

Luc Moreau: esp. with RDFa, you are using RDF and XML together, namespace declarations just define 'prov'

15:56:32 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:56:39 <sandro> <prov xmlns="http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#">...

Sandro Hawke: <prov xmlns="http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#">...

15:56:41 <MacTed> are there any known examples where NOT having the # in the namespace leads to problem?

Ted Thibodeau: are there any known examples where NOT having the # in the namespace leads to problem?

15:56:41 <MacTed> we've come up with various ways having it *MIGHT* cause trouble...

Ted Thibodeau: we've come up with various ways having it *MIGHT* cause trouble...

15:56:41 <MacTed> so why do we *want* it to be part of the namespace?

Ted Thibodeau: so why do we *want* it to be part of the namespace?

15:56:45 <MacTed> what's the argument to include it?

Ted Thibodeau: what's the argument to include it?

15:56:48 <GK> RDF/XML commonly uses XML namespace decls with '#' at end of URI

Graham Klyne: RDF/XML commonly uses XML namespace decls with '#' at end of URI

15:57:04 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:57:15 <Luc> http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/49

Luc Moreau: http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/49

15:57:18 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

15:57:26 <Curt> luc: see blog^ she talks about this problem

Luc Moreau: see blog^ she talks about this problem

15:57:41 <Curt> luc: maybe she could help us

Luc Moreau: maybe she could help us

15:57:53 <GK> Yes, that;s the issue - RDF concatenates, XML doesn't assume the pair are used to create a new URI

Graham Klyne: Yes, that;s the issue - RDF concatenates, XML doesn't assume the pair are used to create a new URI

15:58:06 <Curt> pgroth: let's consult with all these groups/people to figure out the right common namespace

Paul Groth: let's consult with all these groups/people to figure out the right common namespace

15:58:27 <GK> I think a common namespace is nice, but if we can't it's not a total disaster IMO

Graham Klyne: I think a common namespace is nice, but if we can't it's not a total disaster IMO

15:58:45 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:58:50 <Curt> sandro: will review the blog and include jeni as well

Sandro Hawke: will review the blog and include jeni as well

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15:59:46 <GK> http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/49 - this may be Jeni's blog post

Graham Klyne: http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/49 - this may be Jeni's blog post

16:00:06 <GK> Dated 2007, "Things that make me scream ..."

Graham Klyne: Dated 2007, "Things that make me scream ..."

16:00:46 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public

Paul Groth: rrsagent, set log public

16:00:51 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes

Paul Groth: rrsagent, draft minutes

16:00:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/22-prov-minutes.html pgroth

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16:00:56 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon

Paul Groth: trackbot, end telcon

16:00:56 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

16:00:57 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Curt_Tilmes, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, Luc, MacTed, tlebo, +1.443.708.aabb, pgroth, Paolo, dgarijo, sandro, GK, jun, jcheney,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Curt_Tilmes, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, Luc, MacTed, tlebo, +1.443.708.aabb, pgroth, Paolo, dgarijo, sandro, GK, jun, jcheney,

16:00:59 <Zakim> ... khalidbelhajjame

Zakim IRC Bot: ... khalidbelhajjame

16:01:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:01:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/22-prov-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/22-prov-minutes.html trackbot

16:01:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

16:01:05 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items



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