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Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 01 December 2011

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.12.01
Seen
Curt Tilmes, Graham Klyne, James Cheney, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Michael Lang, Paolo Missier, Paul Groth, Sam Coppens, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Stephen Cresswell, Stian Soiland-Reyes, Ted Thibodeau, Timothy Lebo, Unknown adamretter, Yogesh Simmhan
Regrets
Yogesh Simmhan, Michael Lang
Chair
Luc Moreau
Scribe
Timothy Lebo
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. the minutes of the Nov. 24 telecon link
  2. to release the primer (prov-primer) as a first public working draft link
Topics
  1. Admin

    Last week's minutes were approved. Actions were reviewed. Paul will circulate details about F2F2 and XMas holiday.

  2. prov-dm

    Luc announced that a the second draft of the prov-dm is ready for internal review. Group members are invited to review the document with a view of deciding of its release next week. Comments/issues to be raised using the Tracker, in the usual way. Actions was set on Satya, Yolanda and Tim to agree to close issues they previously raised (or reopen them with further comments). The next round of changes (third working draft) will focus on collections, recipe link and complementarity, in addition to moving constraints to a separate section.

  3. prov-primer

    the working group agreed to release the document as first public working draft.

  4. prov-aq

    editors are making the document compliant with pubrules for its public release.

  5. prov-o

    document is ready, and formal requests are now being initiated.

  6. prov-sem

    James C is aiming to produce a revised version of its semantics, based on the latest prov-dm, by Dec 19th. This will be a good document to review by those interested in semantics. Then we will decide how to continue efforts.

  7. complementarity

    As we had covered the agenda, we started a discussion on Complementarity, ahead of the planned work for prov-dm WD3. We put forward a number of proposals to get a feel for what the WG thought about this relation. It seems that the current definition is not satisfactory, but proposals that were circulated seem conflicting. It was suggested that we need use cases to drive the design of this notion. A wiki page was created and WG members are invited to contribute to it.

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15:50:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be

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15:50:40 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV

Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV

15:50:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:50:41 <trackbot> Date: 01 December 2011
15:50:42 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes

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15:50:48 <Luc> Agenda:
15:51:05 <Luc> Agenda:http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.12.01
15:51:15 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
15:51:20 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, make logs public

15:52:26 <Luc> Regrets: Yogesh Simmhan, Michael Lang
15:57:36 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

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15:57:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:57:49 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPCaller] is me

Paul Groth: Zakim, [IPCaller] is me

15:57:49 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it

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15:58:37 <Zakim> +Curt_Tilmes

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15:59:43 <Zakim> +??P12

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<luc>Topic: Admin

1. Admin

Summary: Last week's minutes were approved. Actions were reviewed. Paul will circulate details about F2F2 and XMas holiday.

<luc>Summary: Last week's minutes were approved. Actions were reviewed. Paul will circulate details about F2F2 and XMas holiday.
15:59:55 <Zakim> +Luc

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16:00:38 <Zakim> + +1.315.330.aaaa

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16:00:39 <Zakim> +stain

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16:01:14 <Zakim> + +1.213.290.aabb

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16:01:28 <Zakim> -stain

Zakim IRC Bot: -stain

16:01:53 <Zakim> +??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19

16:02:03 <jcheney> zakim, ??p19 is me

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16:02:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

16:02:09 <tlebo> I'll scribe

Timothy Lebo: I'll scribe

16:02:17 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney; got it

16:02:21 <Luc> Scribe: Timothy Lebo

(Scribe set to Timothy Lebo)

16:02:38 <Yogesh> zakim, +1.213.290 is me

Yogesh Simmhan: zakim, +1.213.290 is me

16:02:43 <Zakim> +Yogesh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yogesh; got it

16:02:51 <tlebo> review documents today, then discuss semantics.

review documents today, then discuss semantics.

16:03:05 <Luc> PROPOSED: to accept the minutes of the Nov. 24 telecon

PROPOSED: to accept the minutes of the Nov. 24 telecon

16:03:35 <pgroth> there here: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-11-24

Paul Groth: there here: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-11-24

16:03:36 <tlebo> 0 (was eating turkey)

0 (was eating turkey)

16:03:36 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo

16:03:39 <Curt> 0 (not present)

Curt Tilmes: 0 (not present)

16:03:45 <Zakim> +stain

Zakim IRC Bot: +stain

16:03:51 <smiles> +1 (from a quick read)

Simon Miles: +1 (from a quick read)

16:03:54 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

16:04:28 <Yogesh> 0 (not present)

Yogesh Simmhan: 0 (not present)

16:04:28 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

16:04:44 <Luc> ACCEPTED: the minutes of the Nov. 24 telecon

RESOLVED: the minutes of the Nov. 24 telecon

16:05:07 <Zakim> +SamCoppens

Zakim IRC Bot: +SamCoppens

16:05:20 <tlebo> on Paul, F2F page? Will do tonight.

on Paul, F2F page? Will do tonight.

16:06:11 <tlebo> on Graham, status paragraph. Not on call. Should be done soon. Needs to validate HTML rspec stuff.

on Graham, status paragraph. Not on call. Should be done soon. Needs to validate HTML rspec stuff.

16:06:40 <tlebo> on Paul, email about holiday break. Did not do.

on Paul, email about holiday break. Did not do.

16:07:11 <tlebo> on Stian, move prov-o to new best practice. Stian did it.

on Stian, move prov-o to new best practice. Stian did it.

16:07:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

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16:07:34 <tlebo> we need scribes, please sign up.

we need scribes, please sign up.

16:07:36 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

16:07:36 <Zakim> +khalidbelhajjame; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidbelhajjame; got it

16:07:45 <Luc> topic: prov-dm

2. prov-dm

Summary: Luc announced that a the second draft of the prov-dm is ready for internal review. Group members are invited to review the document with a view of deciding of its release next week. Comments/issues to be raised using the Tracker, in the usual way. Actions was set on Satya, Yolanda and Tim to agree to close issues they previously raised (or reopen them with further comments). The next round of changes (third working draft) will focus on collections, recipe link and complementarity, in addition to moving constraints to a separate section.

<luc>Summary: Luc announced that a the second draft of the prov-dm is ready for internal review. Group members are invited to review the document with a view of deciding of its release next week.  Comments/issues to be raised using the Tracker, in the usual way. Actions was set on Satya, Yolanda and Tim to agree to close issues they previously raised (or reopen them with further comments). The next round of changes (third working draft) will focus on collections, recipe link and complementarity, in addition to moving constraints to a separate section.
16:08:06 <tlebo> luc: we produced revised document, would like feedback from members.

Luc Moreau: we produced revised document, would like feedback from members.

16:08:32 <tlebo> luc: objective is to release as second working draft at next week's telecon.

Luc Moreau: objective is to release as second working draft at next week's telecon.

16:08:53 <tlebo> luc: a number of issues - satya, yolanda, and tim need to close their issues.

Luc Moreau: a number of issues - satya, yolanda, and tim need to close their issues.

16:08:56 <adamretter> Hi I just joined the Working Group, but I am afraid that I will not be able to attend this weeks telecon, as its too short notice and I am travelling in Germany

Scribe problem: the name 'adamretter' does not match any of the 55 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Curt Tilmes Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Ed Summers Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James McCusker James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Michael Lang Olaf Hartig Paolo Missier Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Ralph Hodgson Reza B'Far Ryan Golden Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Satya Sahoo Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Stephen Cresswell Stian Soiland-Reyes Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Trung Huynh Vinh Nguyen Yogesh Simmhan Yolanda Gil Yuting Zhao david schaengold Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'adamretter' does not match any of the 55 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Curt Tilmes Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Ed Summers Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James McCusker James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Michael Lang Olaf Hartig Paolo Missier Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Ralph Hodgson Reza B'Far Ryan Golden Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Satya Sahoo Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Stephen Cresswell Stian Soiland-Reyes Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Trung Huynh Vinh Nguyen Yogesh Simmhan Yolanda Gil Yuting Zhao david schaengold Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown adamretter: Hi I just joined the Working Group, but I am afraid that I will not be able to attend this weeks telecon, as its too short notice and I am travelling in Germany

16:09:03 <satya> @Luc, I will be responding in a couple of days

Satya Sahoo: @Luc, I will be responding in a couple of days

16:09:14 <tlebo> @luc, I'll start on them after the call.

@luc, I'll start on them after the call.

16:09:38 <tlebo> luc: changes in DM beyond 2PWD

Luc Moreau: changes in DM beyond 2PWD

16:09:44 <pgroth> @adamretter welcome to the WG

Paul Groth: @adamretter welcome to the WG

16:09:55 <tlebo> += collections

+= collections

16:10:02 <tlebo> += wasComplementOf

+= wasComplementOf

16:10:12 <tlebo> += recipeLink

+= recipeLink

16:10:24 <adamretter> pgroth: thank you

Scribe problem: the name 'adamretter' does not match any of the 55 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Curt Tilmes Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Ed Summers Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James McCusker James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Michael Lang Olaf Hartig Paolo Missier Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Ralph Hodgson Reza B'Far Ryan Golden Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Satya Sahoo Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Stephen Cresswell Stian Soiland-Reyes Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Trung Huynh Vinh Nguyen Yogesh Simmhan Yolanda Gil Yuting Zhao david schaengold Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Paul Groth: thank you [ Scribe Assist by Unknown adamretter ]

16:10:27 <tlebo> luc: all constraints goign to a separate section.

Luc Moreau: all constraints goign to a separate section.

16:10:35 <adamretter> bye for now

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Scribe problem: the name 'adamretter' does not match any of the 55 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Curt Tilmes Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Ed Summers Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James McCusker James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Michael Lang Olaf Hartig Paolo Missier Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Ralph Hodgson Reza B'Far Ryan Golden Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Satya Sahoo Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Stephen Cresswell Stian Soiland-Reyes Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Trung Huynh Vinh Nguyen Yogesh Simmhan Yolanda Gil Yuting Zhao david schaengold Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown adamretter: bye for now

16:10:36 <Zakim> + +1.518.633.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.633.aacc

16:10:46 <tlebo> those are plans for 3PWD

those are plans for 3PWD

16:10:57 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:11:06 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:11:27 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

16:11:28 <tlebo> pgroth: how do the editors want to manage feedback?

Paul Groth: how do the editors want to manage feedback?

16:11:34 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

16:11:36 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

16:11:38 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

16:11:42 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

16:11:53 <tlebo> pgroth: raise issues against now or later?

Paul Groth: raise issues against now or later?

16:12:02 <tlebo> luc: normal process; people should raise issues.

Luc Moreau: normal process; people should raise issues.

16:12:15 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:12:17 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

16:12:25 <tlebo> q+

q+

16:13:13 <satya> q+

Satya Sahoo: q+

16:13:18 <Luc> ack tleb

Luc Moreau: ack tleb

16:13:19 <tlebo> q-

q-

16:13:30 <Luc> ack sat

Luc Moreau: ack sat

16:13:56 <tlebo> satya: when releasing public working draft, what role does raising current issues play?

Satya Sahoo: when releasing public working draft, what role does raising current issues play?

16:14:34 <tlebo> satya: how do issues correlate?

Satya Sahoo: how do issues correlate?

16:14:41 <Zakim> +??P74

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P74

16:14:43 <Zakim> -??P74

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P74

16:14:51 <tlebo> luc: issue creator should not which draft the issue is against.

Luc Moreau: issue creator should not which draft the issue is against.

16:15:01 <Zakim> +??P74

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P74

16:15:01 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:15:06 <tlebo> @satya, sounds like we're just running with it.

@satya, sounds like we're just running with it.

16:15:51 <GK> Zakim, ??PP74 is me

Graham Klyne: Zakim, ??PP74 is me

16:15:51 <Zakim> sorry, GK, I do not recognize a party named '??PP74'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, GK, I do not recognize a party named '??PP74'

16:16:25 <tlebo> luc: PWD every 3 months is a strict requirement of W3C

Luc Moreau: PWD every 3 months is a strict requirement of W3C

16:16:28 <GK> Zakim, ?P74 is me

Graham Klyne: Zakim, ?P74 is me

16:16:28 <Zakim> sorry, GK, I do not recognize a party named '?P74'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, GK, I do not recognize a party named '?P74'

16:16:32 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:16:43 <satya> @Luc, ok I understand that point, I was clarifying another point

Satya Sahoo: @Luc, ok I understand that point, I was clarifying another point

16:16:51 <GK> zakim ??P74 is me

Graham Klyne: zakim ??P74 is me

16:16:54 <tlebo> luc: will satya, yolanda, and tim be able to review?

Luc Moreau: will satya, yolanda, and tim be able to review?

16:16:56 <tlebo> @luc, yes.

@luc, yes.

16:17:00 <satya> @Luc, sure

Satya Sahoo: @Luc, sure

16:17:02 <tlebo> I'll start it after the call.

I'll start it after the call.

16:17:10 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:17:16 <Luc> topic: prov-primer

3. prov-primer

Summary: the working group agreed to release the document as first public working draft.

<luc>Summary: the working group agreed to release the document as first public working draft.
16:17:22 <GK> zakim, ??P74 is me

Graham Klyne: zakim, ??P74 is me

16:17:22 <Zakim> +GK; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it

16:17:53 <tlebo> smiles: tried to address more comments raised recently. nothing looked like blockers.

Simon Miles: tried to address more comments raised recently. nothing looked like blockers.

16:18:07 <tlebo> smiles: complementarity was difficult to explain.

Simon Miles: complementarity was difficult to explain.

16:18:12 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:18:27 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:18:33 <tlebo> smiles: okay to go to public working draft.

Simon Miles: okay to go to public working draft.

16:18:54 <Luc> PROPOSED: to release the primer (prov-primer) as a first public working draft

PROPOSED: to release the primer (prov-primer) as a first public working draft

16:18:58 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

16:19:08 <khalidbelhajjame> +1 (University of Manchester)

Khalid Belhajjame: +1 (University of Manchester)

16:19:10 <jcheney> +1 (University of Edinburgh)

James Cheney: +1 (University of Edinburgh)

16:19:12 <GK> +1 (Oxford)

Graham Klyne: +1 (Oxford)

16:19:16 <stain_> +1 (University of Manchester)

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 (University of Manchester)

16:19:16 <Yogesh> +1 (IE)

Yogesh Simmhan: +1 (IE)

16:19:18 <tlebo> +1 (RPI)

+1 (RPI)

16:19:18 <Curt> +1 (NASA)

Curt Tilmes: +1 (NASA)

16:19:18 <smiles> +1 (IE)

Simon Miles: +1 (IE)

16:19:27 <MacTed> institution isn't typically necessary, for these, but...

Ted Thibodeau: institution isn't typically necessary, for these, but...

16:19:27 <zednik> +1 (RPI)

Stephan Zednik: +1 (RPI)

16:19:27 <MacTed> +1 (OpenLink Software)

Ted Thibodeau: +1 (OpenLink Software)

16:19:34 <SamCoppens> +1 (IBBT)

Sam Coppens: +1 (IBBT)

16:19:35 <satya> +1 (Case Western)

Satya Sahoo: +1 (Case Western)

16:19:54 <Luc> ACCEPTED: to release the primer (prov-primer) as a first public working draft

RESOLVED: to release the primer (prov-primer) as a first public working draft

16:20:01 <GK> I wonder if the difficulty of describing "Complementarity" is indicative of a problem here

Graham Klyne: I wonder if the difficulty of describing "Complementarity" is indicative of a problem here

16:21:18 <tlebo> gk: asking for some justification for complementarity.

Graham Klyne: asking for some justification for complementarity.

16:21:30 <tlebo> luc: we are delaying complement to 3PWD

Luc Moreau: we are delaying complement to 3PWD

16:22:07 <tlebo> luc: complement proposals forthcoming.

Luc Moreau: complement proposals forthcoming.

16:22:19 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:22:55 <stain_> I can see the need for aligning accounts, but rather for the hierarchical prov: viewOf

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I can see the need for aligning accounts, but rather for the hierarchical prov: viewOf

16:23:07 <tlebo> smiles: what are pubrules?

Simon Miles: what are pubrules?

16:23:27 <tlebo> (+1 for prov:viewOf)

(+1 for prov:viewOf)

16:23:36 <GK> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules

Graham Klyne: http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules

16:24:06 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:24:15 <Luc> topic: prov-aq

4. prov-aq

Summary: editors are making the document compliant with pubrules for its public release.

<luc>Summary: editors are making the document compliant with pubrules for its public release.
16:24:23 <GK> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-pubrules-about

Graham Klyne: http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-pubrules-about

16:24:58 <tlebo> gk: feels caught up on issues list.

Graham Klyne: feels caught up on issues list.

16:25:05 <tlebo> gk: wrestling with pubrules

Graham Klyne: wrestling with pubrules

16:25:35 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:26:37 <GK> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/paq/prov-aq.html

Graham Klyne: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/paq/prov-aq.html

16:27:23 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:27:40 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

16:27:56 <tlebo> pgroth: need to get authors correct. affiliations, etc.

Paul Groth: need to get authors correct. affiliations, etc.

16:28:05 <Luc> ack pgr

Luc Moreau: ack pgr

16:28:10 <tlebo> pgroth will email authorlist.

pgroth will email authorlist.

16:28:25 <Luc> topic: prov-o

5. prov-o

Summary: document is ready, and formal requests are now being initiated.

<luc>Summary: document is ready, and formal requests are now being initiated.
16:28:49 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

16:28:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, Curt_Tilmes, ??P12, Luc, +1.315.330.aaaa, Yogesh, jcheney, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, stain, SamCoppens, khalidbelhajjame, +1.518.633.aacc, MacTed (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, Curt_Tilmes, ??P12, Luc, +1.315.330.aaaa, Yogesh, jcheney, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, stain, SamCoppens, khalidbelhajjame, +1.518.633.aacc, MacTed (muted),

16:28:52 <Zakim> ... GK

Zakim IRC Bot: ... GK

16:28:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see GK, GK1, zednik, stain_, khalidbelhajjame, SamCoppens, dcorsar, satya, Edoardo, smiles, jcheney, tlebo, Yogesh, StephenCresswell, Curt, pgroth, RRSAgent, Luc, MacTed,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see GK, GK1, zednik, stain_, khalidbelhajjame, SamCoppens, dcorsar, satya, Edoardo, smiles, jcheney, tlebo, Yogesh, StephenCresswell, Curt, pgroth, RRSAgent, Luc, MacTed,

16:28:56 <Zakim> ... mdmdm, stain, Zakim, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... mdmdm, stain, Zakim, trackbot, sandro

16:29:05 <tlebo> satya: pubrulling doc

Satya Sahoo: pubrulling doc

16:29:21 <tlebo> satya: how frozen is the HTML now?

Satya Sahoo: how frozen is the HTML now?

16:29:48 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

16:29:51 <tlebo> satya: restructuring, text, responding to new DM.

Satya Sahoo: restructuring, text, responding to new DM.

16:30:10 <tlebo> luc: constrain to spell check changes.

Luc Moreau: constrain to spell check changes.

16:30:15 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

16:30:31 <tlebo> luc: make a branch for fpwd and keep editing head.

Luc Moreau: make a branch for fpwd and keep editing head.

16:30:31 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:30:52 <smiles> q+

Simon Miles: q+

16:30:56 <tlebo> luc: satya waiting for sandro's review

Luc Moreau: satya waiting for sandro's review

16:31:00 <Luc> ack smi

Luc Moreau: ack smi

16:31:25 <tlebo> simonm: things in primer but not up to date in model (e.g. derivation) they should not be changed in PWD?

Simon Miles: things in primer but not up to date in model (e.g. derivation) they should not be changed in PWD?

16:31:43 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:31:44 <tlebo> luc: cannot make changes b/c we voted on its release

Luc Moreau: cannot make changes b/c we voted on its release

16:32:01 <Luc> topic: prov-sem

6. prov-sem

Summary: James C is aiming to produce a revised version of its semantics, based on the latest prov-dm, by Dec 19th. This will be a good document to review by those interested in semantics. Then we will decide how to continue efforts.

<luc>Summary: James C is aiming to produce a revised version of its semantics, based on the latest prov-dm, by Dec 19th. This will be a good document to review by those interested in semantics. Then we will decide how to continue efforts.
16:32:20 <tlebo> luc: time to kick start prov-sem

Luc Moreau: time to kick start prov-sem

16:32:22 <stain_> shoulid be ok with edit adding disclaimer about mismatching terminology

Stian Soiland-Reyes: shoulid be ok with edit adding disclaimer about mismatching terminology

16:33:04 <Zakim> -stain

Zakim IRC Bot: -stain

16:33:16 <tlebo> jcheney: need to start writing.

James Cheney: need to start writing.

16:33:36 <Zakim> +[ISI]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[ISI]

16:33:44 <tlebo> ... will work through other documents and piece together semantics.

... will work through other documents and piece together semantics.

16:34:15 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

16:34:28 <paolo> zakim, ??P14 i sme

Paolo Missier: zakim, ??P14 i sme

16:34:28 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P14 i sme', paolo

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '??P14 i sme', paolo

16:34:36 <paolo> zakim, ??P14 is me

Paolo Missier: zakim, ??P14 is me

16:34:36 <Zakim> +paolo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +paolo; got it

16:34:56 <tlebo> jcheney: start writing myself or do regular telecons?

James Cheney: start writing myself or do regular telecons?

16:35:11 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:35:18 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:35:39 <Luc> ack pgr

Luc Moreau: ack pgr

16:35:47 <tlebo> pgroth: last week we discussed two possibilities. before xmas, outline direction?

Paul Groth: last week we discussed two possibilities. before xmas, outline direction?

16:36:00 <tlebo> jcheney: sounds good

James Cheney: sounds good

16:36:01 <satya> @paul, +1

Satya Sahoo: @paul, +1

16:38:11 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:38:33 <tlebo> luc: looking forward to prov-sem, good to exercise dm

Luc Moreau: looking forward to prov-sem, good to exercise dm

16:38:49 <tlebo> jcheney: if anyone is interested, please let me know.

James Cheney: if anyone is interested, please let me know.

16:38:49 <satya> @James, I will be happy to work with you since it overlaps with PROV-O semantics

Satya Sahoo: @James, I will be happy to work with you since it overlaps with PROV-O semantics

16:39:15 <jcheney> @satya: Thanks

James Cheney: @satya: Thanks

16:39:29 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:39:37 <paolo> I will have to catch up but am def. interested

Paolo Missier: I will have to catch up but am def. interested

16:40:04 <khalidbelhajjame> I can but in 2 weeks

Khalid Belhajjame: I can but in 2 weeks

16:40:15 <pgroth> you'll send it on the list?

Paul Groth: you'll send it on the list?

16:40:25 <tlebo> please announce on list.

please announce on list.

16:41:19 <tlebo> jcheney: will have non-members review as well.

James Cheney: will have non-members review as well.

16:41:44 <paolo> me also available in 2 wks due to teaching semester endgame

Paolo Missier: me also available in 2 wks due to teaching semester endgame

16:41:57 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:42:35 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

16:42:45 <tlebo> jcheney: draft on 19th?

James Cheney: draft on 19th?

16:43:20 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

16:43:49 <tlebo> santa cheney is bringing semantics

santa cheney is bringing semantics

16:45:06 <tlebo> luc: F2F2 needs to identify the work to do on prov-dm before last call release

Luc Moreau: F2F2 needs to identify the work to do on prov-dm before last call release

16:45:13 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:46:12 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:46:18 <tlebo> luc: discuss complementarity?

Luc Moreau: discuss complementarity?

16:46:23 <paolo> good idea

Paolo Missier: good idea

16:46:29 <pgroth> let's use the time

Paul Groth: let's use the time

16:46:30 <jcheney> happy to have discussion (or lurk)

James Cheney: happy to have discussion (or lurk)

16:46:50 <Zakim> -Yogesh

Zakim IRC Bot: -Yogesh

16:46:51 <tlebo> topic: complementarity

7. complementarity

Summary: As we had covered the agenda, we started a discussion on Complementarity, ahead of the planned work for prov-dm WD3. We put forward a number of proposals to get a feel for what the WG thought about this relation. It seems that the current definition is not satisfactory, but proposals that were circulated seem conflicting. It was suggested that we need use cases to drive the design of this notion. A wiki page was created and WG members are invited to contribute to it.

<luc>Summary: As we had covered the agenda, we started a discussion on Complementarity, ahead of the planned work for prov-dm WD3.  We put forward a number of proposals to get a feel for what the WG thought about this relation. It seems that the current definition is not satisfactory, but proposals that were circulated seem conflicting. It was suggested that we need use cases to drive the design of this notion. A wiki page was created and WG members are invited to contribute to it.
16:47:43 <Luc>   Proposal 1. wasComplementOf in WD is fine. No change required.  Proposal 2. name of wasComplementOf to be changed, definition is fine.  Proposal 3. wasComplementOf is not required. It should be dropped from prov-dm   like all constraints associated with attributes.  Proposal 4. WasComplementOf in current working draft is asymmetric.                     It should be replaced by a symmetric relation.  Name to be determined.  Proposal 5. WasComplementOf in current w

Luc Moreau: Proposal 1. wasComplementOf in WD is fine. No change required. Proposal 2. name of wasComplementOf to be changed, definition is fine. Proposal 3. wasComplementOf is not required. It should be dropped from prov-dm like all constraints associated with attributes. Proposal 4. WasComplementOf in current working draft is asymmetric. It should be replaced by a symmetric relation. Name to be determined. Proposal 5. WasComplementOf in current w

16:47:43 <GK> @pgroth - I'm having problems with the CSS validator - stuff that works seems to be not valid, and the messages don't seem to correspond to the actual source.

Graham Klyne: @pgroth - I'm having problems with the CSS validator - stuff that works seems to be not valid, and the messages don't seem to correspond to the actual source.

16:47:57 <Luc>   Proposal 1. wasComplementOf in WD is fine. No change required.

Luc Moreau: Proposal 1. wasComplementOf in WD is fine. No change required.

16:47:58 <pgroth> @GK arg

Paul Groth: @GK arg

16:48:01 <Luc>  Proposal 2. name of wasComplementOf to be changed, definition is fine.

Luc Moreau: Proposal 2. name of wasComplementOf to be changed, definition is fine.

16:48:04 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed

16:48:06 <Luc>  Proposal 3. wasComplementOf is not required. It should be dropped from prov-dm   like all constraints associated with attributes.

Luc Moreau: Proposal 3. wasComplementOf is not required. It should be dropped from prov-dm like all constraints associated with attributes.

16:48:10 <pgroth> @GK do you want me to give it go?

Paul Groth: @GK do you want me to give it go?

16:48:12 <Luc>  Proposal 4. WasComplementOf in current working draft is asymmetric.                     It should be replaced by a symmetric relation.  Name to be determined.

Luc Moreau: Proposal 4. WasComplementOf in current working draft is asymmetric. It should be replaced by a symmetric relation. Name to be determined.

16:48:16 <Luc>  Proposal 5. WasComplementOf in current working draft is asymmetric.                     It should be kept, but a symmetric relation introduced.  Name(s) to be determined.

Luc Moreau: Proposal 5. WasComplementOf in current working draft is asymmetric. It should be kept, but a symmetric relation introduced. Name(s) to be determined.

16:48:41 <pgroth> paolo mute

Paul Groth: paolo mute

16:48:47 <pgroth> please

Paul Groth: please

16:49:08 <pgroth> zakim, who is loud?

Paul Groth: zakim, who is loud?

16:49:08 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, pgroth.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, pgroth.

16:49:14 <pgroth> zakim, who is noisy?

Paul Groth: zakim, who is noisy?

16:49:25 <Zakim> pgroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: paolo (35%), Luc (63%)

Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: paolo (35%), Luc (63%)

16:49:26 <GK> @pgroth If I can't nail it in the next 20-30 mins, yes please.

Graham Klyne: @pgroth If I can't nail it in the next 20-30 mins, yes please.

16:49:33 <pgroth> ok will do

Paul Groth: ok will do

16:49:49 <paolo> zakim, who is noisy?

Paolo Missier: zakim, who is noisy?

16:49:55 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:49:56 <smiles> +Proposal 4 or 5

Simon Miles: +Proposal 4 or 5

16:50:05 <Zakim> paolo, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (54%)

Zakim IRC Bot: paolo, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (54%)

16:50:10 <smiles> q+

Simon Miles: q+

16:50:11 <khalidbelhajjame> +1 Proposal 5

Khalid Belhajjame: +1 Proposal 5

16:50:16 <GK> I'd support an asymmetric transitive rel;ation (with a different name)

Graham Klyne: I'd support an asymmetric transitive rel;ation (with a different name)

16:50:16 <tlebo> I don't support any of these proposals.  wasComplementOf skirts around the issue that viewOf can address directly.

I don't support any of these proposals. wasComplementOf skirts around the issue that viewOf can address directly.

16:50:35 <pgroth> Proposal 4 is better

Paul Groth: Proposal 4 is better

16:50:47 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

16:50:54 <StephenCresswell> +1 for proposal 5

Stephen Cresswell: +1 for proposal 5

16:51:12 <paolo> q?

Paolo Missier: q?

16:51:20 <Luc> ack smi

Luc Moreau: ack smi

16:51:48 <jcheney> q+

James Cheney: q+

16:52:05 <tlebo> an Entity being a projection of another makes sense.

an Entity being a projection of another makes sense.

16:52:10 <tlebo> (oops, forgot my scribe role)

(oops, forgot my scribe role)

16:52:20 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:52:32 <paolo> q+

Paolo Missier: q+

16:52:40 <tlebo> smiles said something earilier - can you note it @smiles?

smiles said something earilier - can you note it @smiles?

16:52:55 <Luc> ack pgr

Luc Moreau: ack pgr

16:53:20 <StephenCresswell> +q

Stephen Cresswell: +q

16:53:28 <tlebo> pgroth time intervals and semantics are complicated. but it can be simply "a view of a thing that has anothere view _here_"

pgroth time intervals and semantics are complicated. but it can be simply "a view of a thing that has anothere view _here_"

16:53:44 <smiles> It seems helpful in general to be able to express complement/view relations, but having asymmetric and symmetric all in one concept is too confusing

Simon Miles: It seems helpful in general to be able to express complement/view relations, but having asymmetric and symmetric all in one concept is too confusing

16:54:03 <tlebo> jcheney: this will need to be addressed heavily in semantics.

James Cheney: this will need to be addressed heavily in semantics.

16:54:18 <tlebo> @smiles thanks.

@smiles thanks.

16:54:22 <GK> @smiles - yes.  I'm still not understanding the use of the symmetric form.

Graham Klyne: @smiles - yes. I'm still not understanding the use of the symmetric form.

16:54:26 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:54:28 <Luc> ack jc

Luc Moreau: ack jc

16:54:58 <tlebo> paolo: viewOf assymetric vs. complementOf symmetric.

Paolo Missier: viewOf assymetric vs. complementOf symmetric.

16:55:14 <pgroth> q+ for a use case

Paul Groth: q+ for a use case

16:55:23 <GK> @paolo +1 (lack of strong motivating use case)

Graham Klyne: @paolo +1 (lack of strong motivating use case)

16:55:29 <satya> Following up on Proposal 3. wasComplementOf is not required. It should be dropped from prov-dm like all constraints associated with attributes. - how is viewOf important from perspective of provenance?

Satya Sahoo: Following up on Proposal 3. wasComplementOf is not required. It should be dropped from prov-dm like all constraints associated with attributes. - how is viewOf important from perspective of provenance?

16:55:30 <tlebo> paolo: needs motivating examples for views, etc.

Paolo Missier: needs motivating examples for views, etc.

16:55:59 <pgroth> it is needed

Paul Groth: it is needed

16:56:01 <Luc> what about writing use cases on http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ComplementarityUseCases

Luc Moreau: what about writing use cases on http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ComplementarityUseCases

16:56:04 <tlebo> I have a viewOf example.

I have a viewOf example.

16:56:38 <GK> (For me, the motivation is that the view concept underpins the constraining relationship between Entities/Resources)

Graham Klyne: (For me, the motivation is that the view concept underpins the constraining relationship between Entities/Resources)

16:56:38 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:56:40 <tlebo> luc: please aggregate use cases for complementarity

Luc Moreau: please aggregate use cases for complementarity

16:56:50 <Luc> ack pao

Luc Moreau: ack pao

16:57:05 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes

Zakim IRC Bot: -Curt_Tilmes

16:57:35 <tlebo> stephen - shorter term views of another entity. luc in boston, southhampton.

stephen - shorter term views of another entity. luc in boston, southhampton.

16:57:40 <GK> @Stephen +1

Graham Klyne: @Stephen +1

16:58:01 <tlebo> stephen: temporal containment, contained entity having more invariant attributes. we lost that when we went to complement of.

Stephen Cresswell: temporal containment, contained entity having more invariant attributes. we lost that when we went to complement of.

16:58:05 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:58:14 <tlebo> stephen: two complements are refering to the same real world thing.

Stephen Cresswell: two complements are refering to the same real world thing.

16:58:18 <tlebo> +1 to having both.

+1 to having both.

16:58:33 <tlebo> stephen: make a symmetric and assymetric.

Stephen Cresswell: make a symmetric and assymetric.

16:58:36 <Luc> ack steph

Luc Moreau: ack steph

16:58:39 <satya> @Stephen: So, your example is related to contextualizing entities

Satya Sahoo: @Stephen: So, your example is related to contextualizing entities

16:58:55 <paolo> @Stephen -- I would agree to having both, separately, and each with a clear semantics

Paolo Missier: @Stephen -- I would agree to having both, separately, and each with a clear semantics

16:59:04 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

16:59:04 <Zakim> pgroth, you wanted to discuss a use case

Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth, you wanted to discuss a use case

16:59:20 <tlebo> q+ concerned that viewOf and wasCOmplement of being distinguished by assymetric and symmetric

q+ concerned that viewOf and wasCOmplement of being distinguished by assymetric and symmetric

16:59:45 <tlebo> pgroth: RPI guys are talking FRBR, we talk about provenance at different levels of abstraction.

Paul Groth: RPI guys are talking FRBR, we talk about provenance at different levels of abstraction.

16:59:51 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:59:57 <tlebo> pgroth: is complemetn the only wah to say it?

Paul Groth: is complemetn the only wah to say it?

17:00:10 <GK> I'm not convinced the FRBR levels are really complement/view retared

Graham Klyne: I'm not convinced the FRBR levels are really complement/view related

17:00:37 <GK> s/retared/related/
17:01:08 <GK> @tlebo +1

Graham Klyne: @tlebo +1

17:01:08 <Luc> my concern now is a heavy reliance on attributes, which do not have any semantic constraint now in prov-dm

Luc Moreau: my concern now is a heavy reliance on attributes, which do not have any semantic constraint now in prov-dm

17:01:34 <paolo> it's symmetric in the PROV-DM

Paolo Missier: it's symmetric in the PROV-DM

17:01:39 <GK> ( I see that asymmetry is a consequence rather than a fundamental driver)

Graham Klyne: ( I see that asymmetry is a consequence rather than a fundamental driver)

17:01:57 <paolo> q?

Paolo Missier: q?

17:02:53 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

17:03:20 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

17:03:33 <GK> I'm not sure this was ever about derivation.

Graham Klyne: I'm not sure this was ever about derivation.

17:04:09 <tlebo> I agree, @gk

I agree, @gk

17:04:10 <satya>  @GK, Tim, Exactly, I am now confused how complementOf is related to QualifiedInvolvement?

Satya Sahoo: @GK, Tim, Exactly, I am now confused how complementOf is related to QualifiedInvolvement?

17:04:26 <Zakim> -khalidbelhajjame

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17:04:29 <Zakim> -jcheney

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17:04:31 <Zakim> -paolo

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17:04:33 <Zakim> - +1.315.330.aaaa

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17:04:34 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo

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17:04:37 <Zakim> -SamCoppens

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17:04:41 <Zakim> -[ISI]

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17:04:48 <Zakim> -Luc

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17:04:50 <Luc> @tlebo, i will invoke the necessary commands, thanks for scribing!

Luc Moreau: @tlebo, i will invoke the necessary commands, thanks for scribing!

17:04:54 <Zakim> -pgroth

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17:04:55 <Zakim> -??P12

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17:05:16 <Zakim> - +1.518.633.aacc

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17:06:40 <Luc> action on Satya to agree to close PROV-ISSUE-49 , PROV-ISSUE-50 , PROV-ISSUE-101, PROV-ISSUE-105, PROV-ISSUE-125, PROV-ISSUE-126, PROV-ISSUE-100, PROV-ISSUE-101 , PROV-ISSUE-127

Luc Moreau: action on Satya to agree to close PROV-ISSUE-49 , PROV-ISSUE-50 , PROV-ISSUE-101, PROV-ISSUE-105, PROV-ISSUE-125, PROV-ISSUE-126, PROV-ISSUE-100, PROV-ISSUE-101 , PROV-ISSUE-127

17:06:40 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on

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17:06:54 <Luc> action  Satya to agree to close PROV-ISSUE-49 , PROV-ISSUE-50 , PROV-ISSUE-101, PROV-ISSUE-105, PROV-ISSUE-125, PROV-ISSUE-126, PROV-ISSUE-100, PROV-ISSUE-101 , PROV-ISSUE-127

Luc Moreau: action Satya to agree to close PROV-ISSUE-49 , PROV-ISSUE-50 , PROV-ISSUE-101, PROV-ISSUE-105, PROV-ISSUE-125, PROV-ISSUE-126, PROV-ISSUE-100, PROV-ISSUE-101 , PROV-ISSUE-127

17:06:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-47 - Agree to close PROV-ISSUE-49 , PROV-ISSUE-50 , PROV-ISSUE-101, PROV-ISSUE-105, PROV-ISSUE-125, PROV-ISSUE-126, PROV-ISSUE-100, PROV-ISSUE-101 , PROV-ISSUE-127 [on Satya Sahoo - due 2011-12-08].

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17:07:07 <Luc> Action Yolanda: agree to close PROV-ISSUE-129, PROV-ISSUE-130

Luc Moreau: Action Yolanda: agree to close PROV-ISSUE-129, PROV-ISSUE-130

17:07:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-48 - Agree to close PROV-ISSUE-129, PROV-ISSUE-130 [on Yolanda Gil - due 2011-12-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-48 - Agree to close PROV-ISSUE-129, PROV-ISSUE-130 [on Yolanda Gil - due 2011-12-08].

17:07:33 <Luc> Action TimLebo:  agree to close PROV-ISSUE-142, PROV-ISSUE-156, PROV-ISSUE-158, PROV-ISSUE-160, PROV-ISSUE-161

Luc Moreau: Action TimLebo: agree to close PROV-ISSUE-142, PROV-ISSUE-156, PROV-ISSUE-158, PROV-ISSUE-160, PROV-ISSUE-161

17:07:33 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - TimLebo

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17:07:43 <Luc> Action tlebo:  agree to close PROV-ISSUE-142, PROV-ISSUE-156, PROV-ISSUE-158, PROV-ISSUE-160, PROV-ISSUE-161

Luc Moreau: Action tlebo: agree to close PROV-ISSUE-142, PROV-ISSUE-156, PROV-ISSUE-158, PROV-ISSUE-160, PROV-ISSUE-161

17:07:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-49 -  agree to close PROV-ISSUE-142, PROV-ISSUE-156, PROV-ISSUE-158, PROV-ISSUE-160, PROV-ISSUE-161 [on Timothy Lebo - due 2011-12-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-49 - agree to close PROV-ISSUE-142, PROV-ISSUE-156, PROV-ISSUE-158, PROV-ISSUE-160, PROV-ISSUE-161 [on Timothy Lebo - due 2011-12-08].

17:07:58 <Luc> rrsagent, set log public

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, set log public

17:08:08 <Luc> rrsagent, draft minutes

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, draft minutes

17:08:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-prov-minutes.html Luc

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17:08:17 <Luc> trackbot, end telcon

Luc Moreau: trackbot, end telcon

17:08:17 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

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17:08:17 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, Curt_Tilmes, Luc, +1.315.330.aaaa, stain, +1.213.290.aabb, [IPcaller], jcheney, Yogesh, Satya_Sahoo, SamCoppens, khalidbelhajjame,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, Curt_Tilmes, Luc, +1.315.330.aaaa, stain, +1.213.290.aabb, [IPcaller], jcheney, Yogesh, Satya_Sahoo, SamCoppens, khalidbelhajjame,

17:08:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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17:08:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-prov-minutes.html trackbot

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17:08:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

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17:08:19 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-prov-actions.rdf :

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17:08:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yolanda to agree to close PROV-ISSUE-129, PROV-ISSUE-130 [1]

ACTION: Yolanda to agree to close PROV-ISSUE-129, PROV-ISSUE-130 [1]

17:08:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-prov-irc#T17-07-07

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17:08:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: TimLebo to agree to close PROV-ISSUE-142, PROV-ISSUE-156, PROV-ISSUE-158, PROV-ISSUE-160, PROV-ISSUE-161 [2]

ACTION: TimLebo to agree to close PROV-ISSUE-142, PROV-ISSUE-156, PROV-ISSUE-158, PROV-ISSUE-160, PROV-ISSUE-161 [2]

17:08:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-prov-irc#T17-07-33

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17:08:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: tlebo to agree to close PROV-ISSUE-142, PROV-ISSUE-156, PROV-ISSUE-158, PROV-ISSUE-160, PROV-ISSUE-161 [3]

ACTION: tlebo to agree to close PROV-ISSUE-142, PROV-ISSUE-156, PROV-ISSUE-158, PROV-ISSUE-160, PROV-ISSUE-161 [3]

17:08:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-prov-irc#T17-07-43

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17:08:20 <Zakim> ... +1.518.633.aacc, MacTed, GK, [ISI], paolo

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.518.633.aacc, MacTed, GK, [ISI], paolo



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