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Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 26 May 2011

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.05.26
Seen
Carl Reed, Christine Runnegar, Daniel Garijo, Edoardo Pignotti, Graham Klyne, Iker Huerga, James Frew, James Cheney, Jun Zhao, Jörn Hees, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Martin Doerr, Olaf Hartig, Paul Groth, Paulo Pinheiro da Silva, Sam Coppens, Simon Miles, Simon Dobson, Stephan Zednik, Timothy Lebo, Unknown SatyaSahoo, Unknown Yogesh, Unknown paolo, Unknown satya, Unknown stain, Vinh Nguyen, Yolanda Gil
Guests
Yolanda Gil
Regrets
Olaf Hartig, Iker Huerga, Simon Dobson
Chair
Luc Moreau
Scribe
Timothy Lebo
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. minutes link
  2. extra call next week 8am Friday for Yolanda to review incubator group. link
Topics
  1. Admin

    The last minutes were accepted, an action is still outstanding, invited expert issues are still being resolved by the W3C, and all are again encouraged to sign up to be scribes for future meetings.

    1. minutes

    2. Action review

    3. invited experts

  2. XG Results

    Yolanda kindly suggested to run an extra session to present XG results to the WG. Extra call will take place on Friday June 3, 8am Pacific time, 5pm Paris.

  3. Access and Query Task Force

    It is was agreed to continue discussion on the mailing list and wiki

  4. Charter concept - "Resource"

    We had an open discussion on the concept of resources. Lots of good points were made that had not been expressed on the mailing list or wiki. Group members are invited to write them down so that we can reflect on them.

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14:42:48 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-prov-irc

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14:42:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world

<luc>Guest: Yolanda Gil
14:42:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be

14:42:52 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

14:42:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:42:53 <trackbot> Date: 26 May 2011
14:43:20 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV

Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:43:20 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes

14:44:00 <Luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.05.26
14:44:13 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
14:44:19 <Luc> Scribe: Timothy Lebo

(Scribe set to Timothy Lebo)

14:44:34 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, make logs public

14:46:03 <Luc> Regrets: Olaf Hartig, Iker Huerga, Simon Dobson
14:50:12 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

(No events recorded for 5 minutes)

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

14:50:19 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

14:50:44 <Luc> zakim, who is on the phone?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:50:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P0

14:50:57 <Luc> zakim, ??P0 is me

Luc Moreau: zakim, ??P0 is me

14:50:57 <Zakim> +Luc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc; got it

14:51:30 <Luc> zakim, who is on the phone?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:51:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Luc

14:52:07 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3

14:52:27 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P3 is me

Paul Groth: Zakim, ??P3 is me

14:52:27 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it

14:53:22 <Luc> zakim, who is here?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here?

14:53:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc, pgroth

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Luc, pgroth

14:53:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see pgroth, GK, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, martin, jorn, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pgroth, GK, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, martin, jorn, sandro, trackbot

14:54:06 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12

14:54:33 <smiles> zakim, ??P12 is me

Simon Miles: zakim, ??P12 is me

14:54:33 <Zakim> +smiles; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +smiles; got it

14:54:40 <GK> My VOIP software client license has expired ... I thought it was free for basic use ... will take me a while here to get something sorted.

Graham Klyne: My VOIP software client license has expired ... I thought it was free for basic use ... will take me a while here to get something sorted.

14:56:01 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aaaa

14:56:55 <Luc> hi tim

Luc Moreau: hi tim

14:57:25 <tlebo> scribe: tlebo
14:57:32 <Zakim> +frew

Zakim IRC Bot: +frew

14:58:24 <Luc> zakim, who is here?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here?

14:58:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc, pgroth, smiles, +1.518.276.aaaa, frew

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Luc, pgroth, smiles, +1.518.276.aaaa, frew

14:58:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see dgarijo, tlebo, paolo, frew, smiles, pgroth, GK, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, martin, jorn, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see dgarijo, tlebo, paolo, frew, smiles, pgroth, GK, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, martin, jorn, sandro, trackbot

14:58:55 <tlebo> Zakim, aaaa is tlebo

Zakim, aaaa is tlebo

14:58:55 <Zakim> +tlebo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tlebo; got it

14:59:35 <Zakim> +??P33

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P33

14:59:37 <Zakim> +??P37

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P37

14:59:54 <paolo> hallo, has the passcode changed by any chance?

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown paolo: hallo, has the passcode changed by any chance?

15:00:02 <Luc> no, still same

Luc Moreau: no, still same

15:00:07 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P33 is me

Daniel Garijo: Zakim, ??P33 is me

15:00:07 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it

15:00:12 <Luc> i had to try several times

Luc Moreau: i had to try several times

15:00:13 <paolo> doesn't take it.

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown paolo: doesn't take it.

15:00:16 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27

15:00:17 <paolo> will try again

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown paolo: will try again

15:00:24 <Zakim> +SatyaSahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: +SatyaSahoo

15:00:26 <dgarijo> i had to try twice too

Daniel Garijo: i had to try twice too

15:00:30 <jorn> Zakim: ??p37 is me
15:00:34 <Zakim> +??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10

15:00:37 <jun> zakim, ??p27 is me

Jun Zhao: zakim, ??p27 is me

15:00:37 <Zakim> +jun; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jun; got it

15:00:46 <jorn> Zakim, ??p37 is me

Jörn Hees: Zakim, ??p37 is me

15:00:46 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it

15:00:51 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P10 is really me

Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, ??P10 is really me

15:00:51 <Zakim> +khalidbelhajjame; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidbelhajjame; got it

15:00:52 <Luc> zakim, who is here?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here?

15:00:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc, pgroth, smiles, tlebo, frew, jorn, dgarijo, jun, SatyaSahoo, khalidbelhajjame

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Luc, pgroth, smiles, tlebo, frew, jorn, dgarijo, jun, SatyaSahoo, khalidbelhajjame

15:00:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see Edoardo, satya, SamCoppens, khalidbelhajjame, jun, dgarijo, tlebo, paolo, frew, smiles, pgroth, GK, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, martin, jorn, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Edoardo, satya, SamCoppens, khalidbelhajjame, jun, dgarijo, tlebo, paolo, frew, smiles, pgroth, GK, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, martin, jorn, sandro, trackbot

15:01:19 <Zakim> -khalidbelhajjame

Zakim IRC Bot: -khalidbelhajjame

15:01:40 <tlebo> scribe is a newbie, please help me identify the speaker during the discussions.

scribe is a newbie, please help me identify the speaker during the discussions.

15:01:56 <paolo> UK number busy and US number won't take my pin.

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown paolo: UK number busy and US number won't take my pin.

15:02:25 <Zakim> +??P49

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P49

15:02:35 <Zakim> +VinhNguyen

Zakim IRC Bot: +VinhNguyen

15:02:37 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P49 is really me

Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, ??P49 is really me

15:02:37 <tlebo> luc: Agenda items: 1) administrative issues, 2) presentation from incubator, 3) web arch., 4) "Resource"

Luc Moreau: Agenda items: 1) administrative issues, 2) presentation from incubator, 3) web arch., 4) "Resource"

15:02:41 <Zakim> +Yolanda

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yolanda

15:02:47 <Zakim> +??P55

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P55

<luc>TOPIC: Admin

1. Admin

Summary: The last minutes were accepted, an action is still outstanding, invited expert issues are still being resolved by the W3C, and all are again encouraged to sign up to be scribes for future meetings.

<luc>Summary: The last minutes were accepted, an action is still outstanding, invited expert issues are still being resolved by the W3C, and all are again encouraged to sign up to be scribes for future meetings.
<luc>Subtopic: minutes

1.1. minutes

15:02:55 <tlebo> luc: admin issues - approve minutes from last week.

Luc Moreau: admin issues - approve minutes from last week.

15:03:03 <tlebo> proposed: accept minutes

PROPOSED: accept minutes

15:02:55 <Zakim> +khalidbelhajjame; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidbelhajjame; got it

15:02:59 <Zakim> + +1.213.290.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.213.290.aabb

15:02:59 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:03:01 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:03:01 <satya> +1

Scribe problem: the name 'satya' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'satya' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown satya: +1

15:03:03 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:03:04 <frew> +1

James Frew: +1

15:03:07 <jorn> +1

Jörn Hees: +1

15:03:09 <tlebo> +1

+1

15:03:10 <pgroth> +1

Paul Groth: +1

15:03:10 <jun> +1

Jun Zhao: +1

15:03:11 <Edoardo> +1

Edoardo Pignotti: +1

15:03:28 <tlebo> resolved: minutes

RESOLVED: minutes

15:03:51 <tlebo> mapping callers to irc IDs - please tell zakim who you are.

mapping callers to irc IDs - please tell zakim who you are.

15:04:05 <Edoardo> we might be ??P55

Edoardo Pignotti: we might be ??P55

15:04:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:04:20 <Zakim> +zednik

Zakim IRC Bot: +zednik

15:04:23 <jorn> Zakim, ??p55 may be Edoardo

Jörn Hees: Zakim, ??p55 may be Edoardo

15:04:49 <Christine> I am probably [IP caller]

Christine Runnegar: I am probably [IP caller]

15:04:56 <tlebo> subtopic: Action review

1.2. Action review

15:04:56 <tlebo> Multiple sources in Journalism Example

Multiple sources in Journalism Example

15:04:56 <tlebo> tlebo: will propose as we develop the concept definitions from the example.

Timothy Lebo: will propose as we develop the concept definitions from the example.

15:05:04 <Zakim> + +30281039aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +30281039aacc

15:05:09 <tlebo> subtopic: invited experts

1.3. invited experts

15:05:33 <tlebo> Satya's status still has not changed, prov-wg chairs have no insight into the w3c invited expert process.

Satya's status still has not changed, prov-wg chairs have no insight into the w3c invited expert process.

15:05:37 <Zakim> +Edoardo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Edoardo; got it

15:05:41 <Zakim> +??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9

15:05:47 <tlebo> action: luc to ask w3 about invited experts.

ACTION: luc to ask w3 about invited experts.

15:05:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Ask w3 about invited experts. [on Luc Moreau - due 2011-06-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-5 - Ask w3 about invited experts. [on Luc Moreau - due 2011-06-02].

15:06:06 <tlebo> issue: someone please sign up to scribe next week.

ISSUE: someone please sign up to scribe next week.

15:06:09 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-18 - Someone please sign up to scribe next week. ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/18/edit .

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-18 - Someone please sign up to scribe next week. ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/18/edit .

15:06:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

15:06:31 <Zakim> +??P28

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P28

15:06:37 <Yogesh> zakim, who is on the call?

Scribe problem: the name 'Yogesh' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Yogesh' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Yogesh: zakim, who is on the call?

15:06:38 <tlebo> luc: participation to discussion. we need others to participate.

Luc Moreau: participation to discussion. we need others to participate.

15:06:58 <paolo> for the record: I am also requesting an update on how to participate while member status is pending. thaks

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown paolo: for the record: I am also requesting an update on how to participate while member status is pending. thaks

15:07:04 <Zakim> + +1.915.747.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.915.747.aadd

15:07:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc, pgroth, smiles, tlebo, frew, jorn, dgarijo, jun, SatyaSahoo, khalidbelhajjame, VinhNguyen, Yolanda, Edoardo, +1.213.290.aabb, [IPcaller], zednik,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Luc, pgroth, smiles, tlebo, frew, jorn, dgarijo, jun, SatyaSahoo, khalidbelhajjame, VinhNguyen, Yolanda, Edoardo, +1.213.290.aabb, [IPcaller], zednik,

15:07:09 <Zakim> ... +30281039aacc, ??P9, ??P28, [IPcaller.a], +1.915.747.aadd (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +30281039aacc, ??P9, ??P28, [IPcaller.a], +1.915.747.aadd (muted)

15:07:22 <frew> +1

James Frew: +1

15:07:24 <khalidbelhajjame> +1 for Yolanda idea

Khalid Belhajjame: +1 for Yolanda idea

15:07:25 <tlebo> topic: XG Results

2. XG Results

Summary: Yolanda kindly suggested to run an extra session to present XG results to the WG. Extra call will take place on Friday June 3, 8am Pacific time, 5pm Paris.

15:07:25 <tlebo> luc: is there interest in presentation of XG results to educate group membership ?

Luc Moreau: is there interest in presentation of XG results to educate group membership ?

15:07:27 <satya> +1 for presentation

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Scribe problem: the name 'satya' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown satya: +1 for presentation

15:07:30 <paulo_> +1

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: +1

15:07:31 <tlebo> +1

+1

15:07:33 <jorn> +1

Jörn Hees: +1

15:07:34 <Yogesh> +1

Scribe problem: the name 'Yogesh' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Yogesh' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Yogesh: +1

15:07:34 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:07:35 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:07:35 <Edoardo> +1

Edoardo Pignotti: +1

15:07:41 <paolo> +1

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown paolo: +1

15:07:42 <Zakim> +??P42

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P42

15:07:43 <CarlOGC> +1

Carl Reed: +1

15:07:51 <jcheney> Zakim, ??P42 is me

James Cheney: Zakim, ??P42 is me

15:07:56 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney; got it

15:08:11 <Christine> A refresher would be useful. Having missed the first couple of meetings of this, I am still trying to get up to speed.

Christine Runnegar: A refresher would be useful. Having missed the first couple of meetings of this, I am still trying to get up to speed.

15:08:13 <pgroth> zakim, who is noisy?

Paul Groth: zakim, who is noisy?

15:08:13 <dgarijo> Zakim, who is making noise?

Daniel Garijo: Zakim, who is making noise?

15:08:23 <Zakim> pgroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (84%), +1.213.290.aabb (30%), khalidbelhajjame (19%)

Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (84%), +1.213.290.aabb (30%), khalidbelhajjame (19%)

15:08:25 <tlebo> yolanda will present; but what time?

yolanda will present; but what time?

15:08:34 <Zakim> dgarijo, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (79%), +1.213.290.aabb (73%)

Zakim IRC Bot: dgarijo, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (79%), +1.213.290.aabb (73%)

15:08:38 <jorn> Zakim, please mute aabb

Jörn Hees: Zakim, please mute aabb

15:08:38 <Zakim> +1.213.290.aabb should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: +1.213.290.aabb should now be muted

15:08:41 <paolo> 16

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Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown paolo: 16

15:08:55 <paolo> 4pm UK

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown paolo: 4pm UK

15:09:11 <Christine> Ok for me

Christine Runnegar: Ok for me

15:09:12 <tlebo> Monday, 8am Pacific time, 5pm France time

Monday, 8am Pacific time, 5pm France time

15:09:13 <tlebo> +1

+1

15:09:18 <frew> mon 31 may is a holiday in the us

James Frew: mon 31 may is a holiday in the us

15:09:22 <dgarijo> i won't be able to make it on monday :(

Daniel Garijo: i won't be able to make it on monday :(

15:09:26 <khalidbelhajjame> Monday is a bank holiday in the UK

Khalid Belhajjame: Monday is a bank holiday in the UK

15:09:39 <frew> oops I meant mon 30 may

James Frew: oops I meant mon 30 may

15:09:50 <tlebo> Tuesday 8am Pacific time

Tuesday 8am Pacific time

15:09:51 <tlebo> +1

+1

15:09:53 <jcheney> I will be away both days

James Cheney: I will be away both days

15:09:54 <paulo_> +1 (Tues)

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: +1 (Tues)

15:09:56 <Christine> Should be okay

Christine Runnegar: Should be okay

15:09:58 <khalidbelhajjame> +1 for tuesday

Khalid Belhajjame: +1 for tuesday

15:09:59 <Yogesh> +1

Scribe problem: the name 'Yogesh' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Yogesh' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Yogesh: +1

15:10:00 <frew> -1 (conflict)

James Frew: -1 (conflict)

15:10:03 <jorn> +1 (both ok)

Jörn Hees: +1 (both ok)

15:10:03 <paolo> I can make it

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown paolo: I can make it

15:10:10 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:10:15 <satya> +1

Scribe problem: the name 'satya' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'satya' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown satya: +1

15:10:23 <Edoardo> +1

Edoardo Pignotti: +1

15:10:37 <Yogesh> zakim, +1.213.290 is me

Scribe problem: the name 'Yogesh' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Yogesh' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Yogesh: zakim, +1.213.290 is me

15:10:37 <Zakim> +Yogesh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yogesh; got it

15:10:38 <tlebo> -1 Thursday

-1 Thursday

15:10:39 <zednik> -1 for Tuesday

Stephan Zednik: -1 for Tuesday

15:10:42 <khalidbelhajjame> +1 for thursday

Khalid Belhajjame: +1 for thursday

15:10:42 <dgarijo> +1 for thursday

Daniel Garijo: +1 for thursday

15:10:46 <frew> +1 thu

James Frew: +1 thu

15:10:47 <paolo> -1 for Thu

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown paolo: -1 for Thu

15:10:49 <jorn> +1 thursday

Jörn Hees: +1 thursday

15:10:50 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

15:10:53 <Edoardo> -1 Thursday

Edoardo Pignotti: -1 Thursday

15:10:54 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:10:57 <satya> -1 for thursday (conflict)

Scribe problem: the name 'satya' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'satya' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown satya: -1 for thursday (conflict)

15:10:58 <smiles> +1 thursday

Simon Miles: +1 thursday

15:10:59 <paulo> -1 (Thurs) conflict

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: -1 (Thurs) conflict

15:11:03 <Christine> Thursday is a holiday in Switzerland

Christine Runnegar: Thursday is a holiday in Switzerland

15:11:06 <Yogesh> +1

Scribe problem: the name 'Yogesh' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Yogesh' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Yogesh: +1

15:11:28 <tlebo> +1

+1

15:11:30 <paolo> +1 for Fri

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'paolo' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown paolo: +1 for Fri

15:11:31 <satya> +1 friday

Scribe problem: the name 'satya' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'satya' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Ted Thibodeau Timothy Lebo Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Yolanda Gil Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown satya: +1 friday

15:11:32 <frew> +1 Fri

James Frew: +1 Fri

15:11:33 <paulo> +1 (Fri)

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: +1 (Fri)

15:11:34 <dgarijo> +1 for friday

Daniel Garijo: +1 for friday

15:11:36 <jcheney> +1 Fri

James Cheney: +1 Fri

15:11:36 <Yogesh> +1

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Unknown Yogesh: +1

15:11:38 <zednik> +1 Fri

Stephan Zednik: +1 Fri

15:11:39 <Edoardo> +1 Fri

Edoardo Pignotti: +1 Fri

15:11:42 <khalidbelhajjame> -1 fri

Khalid Belhajjame: -1 fri

15:11:43 <Christine> - 1 Friday (conflict)

Christine Runnegar: - 1 Friday (conflict)

15:11:46 <stain> +1 friday

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Unknown stain: +1 friday

15:11:58 <smiles> -1 friday (but i don't need to attend)

Simon Miles: -1 friday (but i don't need to attend)

15:12:03 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:12:23 <Luc> ack pgroth

Luc Moreau: ack pgroth

15:12:52 <jcheney> yes, more important for people who weren't there

James Cheney: yes, more important for people who weren't there

15:12:54 <dgarijo> +1 to what paul said

Daniel Garijo: +1 to what paul said

15:12:58 <frew> +1 paul

James Frew: +1 paul

15:13:00 <pgroth> friday?

Paul Groth: friday?

15:13:27 <tlebo> +1 friday

+1 friday

15:13:28 <satya> +1

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Unknown satya: +1

15:13:34 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:13:36 <Yogesh> +1

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Unknown Yogesh: +1

15:13:37 <paolo> q+

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Unknown paolo: q+

15:13:37 <jorn> +1

Jörn Hees: +1

15:13:48 <VinhNguyen> +1

Vinh Nguyen: +1

15:13:48 <Luc> ack paolo

Luc Moreau: ack paolo

15:14:01 <Zakim> -??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P9

15:14:09 <pgroth> friday looks good

Paul Groth: friday looks good

15:14:17 <tlebo> pmissier: the slides can be viewed offline

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Unknown pmissier: the slides can be viewed offline

15:14:32 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6

15:14:35 <dgarijo> if I don't remember wrong, the slides are already available, aren't they?

Daniel Garijo: if I don't remember wrong, the slides are already available, aren't they?

15:14:41 <Zakim> -jorn

Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn

15:14:44 <dgarijo> Yolanda made a presentation already...

Daniel Garijo: Yolanda made a presentation already...

15:15:20 <jcheney> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/File:Provenance-XG-Overview.pdf

James Cheney: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/File:Provenance-XG-Overview.pdf

15:15:49 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/File:Provenance-XG-Overview.pdf

Daniel Garijo: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/File:Provenance-XG-Overview.pdf

15:15:58 <dgarijo> late , sorry.

Daniel Garijo: late , sorry.

15:14:56 <tlebo> resolved: extra call  next week 8am Friday for Yolanda to review incubator group.

RESOLVED: extra call next week 8am Friday for Yolanda to review incubator group.

<luc>Summary: Yolanda kindly suggested to run an extra session to present XG results to the WG. Extra call will take place on Friday June 3, 8am Pacific time, 5pm Paris.
15:15:01 <Zakim> +??P37

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P37

15:15:02 <SamCoppens> zakim, ??P6 is me

Sam Coppens: zakim, ??P6 is me

15:15:03 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SamCoppens; got it

15:15:11 <tlebo> topic: Access and Query Task Force

3. Access and Query Task Force

Summary: It is was agreed to continue discussion on the mailing list and wiki

<luc> Summary: It is was agreed to continue discussion on the mailing list and wiki
15:15:14 <jorn> Zakim, ??p37 is me

Jörn Hees: Zakim, ??p37 is me

15:15:14 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it

15:15:34 <tlebo> last week: used section 6 and put on wiki for editing.

last week: used section 6 and put on wiki for editing.

15:16:07 <tlebo> graham is not online, olaf also not (both were key participants on email)

graham is not online, olaf also not (both were key participants on email)

15:16:15 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:16:33 <tlebo> luc: we should continue discussion on mailing list; we also should edit the wiki.

Luc Moreau: we should continue discussion on mailing list; we also should edit the wiki.

15:16:44 <paolo> GK had the same problem

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Unknown paolo: GK had the same problem

15:16:47 <paolo> persist...

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Unknown paolo: persist...

15:16:48 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:16:50 <pgroth> GK it should be ok

Paul Groth: GK it should be ok

15:16:50 <tlebo> +1 mailing list and wiki continuing

+1 mailing list and wiki continuing

15:16:57 <pgroth> did you dial into the us number

Paul Groth: did you dial into the us number

15:16:58 <pgroth> ?

Paul Groth: ?

15:17:05 <smiles> q+

Simon Miles: q+

15:17:10 <Luc> ack smiles

Luc Moreau: ack smiles

15:17:24 <tlebo> smiles: good idea, plan for editing wiki page?

Simon Miles: good idea, plan for editing wiki page?

15:17:36 <tlebo> how to deal with diverging views? everyone edit?

how to deal with diverging views? everyone edit?

15:17:44 <Zakim> -pgroth

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgroth

15:18:05 <tlebo> graham discussed scope - wiki needs to define scope but does not

graham discussed scope - wiki needs to define scope but does not

15:18:15 <tlebo> luc: we should discuss on mailing list and follow up on wiki with results.

Luc Moreau: we should discuss on mailing list and follow up on wiki with results.

15:18:24 <tlebo> luc: making new pages, commenting - everyone is free to do so.

Luc Moreau: making new pages, commenting - everyone is free to do so.

15:18:24 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:19:01 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:19:08 <tlebo> luc: remember for f2f, we need proposal and issues against that proposal (for PAQ TF)

Luc Moreau: remember for f2f, we need proposal and issues against that proposal (for PAQ TF)

15:19:08 <tlebo> luc: tabling topic because Graham and Olaf are absent

Luc Moreau: tabling topic because Graham and Olaf are absent

15:19:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.aa]

15:19:35 <tlebo> topic: Charter concept - "Resource"

4. Charter concept - "Resource"

Summary: We had an open discussion on the concept of resources. Lots of good points were made that had not been expressed on the mailing list or wiki. Group members are invited to write them down so that we can reflect on them.

<luc>Summary: We had an open discussion on the concept of resources. Lots of good points were made that had not been expressed on the mailing list or wiki. Group members are invited to write them down so that we can reflect on them.
15:19:38 <pgroth_> Zakim, +[IPcaller�.aa] is me

Paul Groth: Zakim, +[IPcaller�.aa] is me

15:19:38 <Zakim> sorry, pgroth_, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller�.aa]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, pgroth_, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller�.aa]'

15:20:24 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:20:28 <tlebo> luc: additional ideas for "Resource"

Luc Moreau: additional ideas for "Resource"

15:20:31 <dgarijo> +q

Daniel Garijo: +q

15:20:32 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:20:42 <Luc> ack dgarijo

Luc Moreau: ack dgarijo

15:21:35 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:21:43 <tlebo> dgarijo: jun pointed out Resource concept should be broader. We should keep narrower definition of "Resource".

Daniel Garijo: jun pointed out Resource concept should be broader. We should keep narrower definition of "Resource".

15:21:55 <tlebo> 'Web resource"

'Web resource"

15:21:57 <martin> +q

Martin Doerr: +q

15:22:24 <Luc> ack martin

Luc Moreau: ack martin

15:22:41 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.aa]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.aa]

15:22:42 <tlebo> martin: resources are digital (e.g. web resource)

Martin Doerr: resources are digital (e.g. web resource)

15:22:51 <tlebo> -1 for scoping the Resource to digital items.

-1 for scoping the Resource to digital items.

15:22:53 <smiles> q+

Simon Miles: q+

15:22:56 <satya> It may also be non-digital resource also

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Unknown satya: It may also be non-digital resource also

15:23:02 <paulo_> q+

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: q+

15:23:03 <zednik> -1 for treating resources as web resources

Stephan Zednik: -1 for treating resources as web resources

15:23:36 <tlebo> martin: Resource State is not clearly defined for digital object; it does not have linear sequence of states; it has versions and derivatives.

Martin Doerr: Resource State is not clearly defined for digital object; it does not have linear sequence of states; it has versions and derivatives.

15:23:49 <Zakim> +??P57

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P57

15:24:10 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:24:16 <martin> q?

Martin Doerr: q?

15:24:40 <tlebo> RDF working group, "Resource" is conceptual.

RDF working group, "Resource" is conceptual.

15:24:45 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:25:10 <tlebo> Ppinheir2: [poor voice connection]

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: [poor voice connection]

15:25:20 <Luc> ack paulo_

Luc Moreau: ack paulo_

15:25:23 <tlebo> Ppinheir2: do we need an additional definition of resource?

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: do we need an additional definition of resource?

15:25:40 <Luc> ack smiles

Luc Moreau: ack smiles

15:25:48 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:26:03 <jcheney> +q

James Cheney: +q

15:26:16 <martin> q?

Martin Doerr: q?

15:26:30 <tlebo> smiles: agree with paulo_ that we should define what we need from "Resource"

Simon Miles: agree with paulo_ that we should define what we need from "Resource"

15:26:38 <jun> -1 scoping our focus to digital objects

Jun Zhao: -1 scoping our focus to digital objects

15:26:47 <pgroth> agree with jun

Paul Groth: agree with jun

15:27:00 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:27:08 <martin> q?

Martin Doerr: q?

15:27:13 <tlebo> smiles: not good idea to restrict to web resources/ digital resources. derivation: provenance is part of provenance of another. we want to say a digital artifact is the result of a physical process / object.

Simon Miles: not good idea to restrict to web resources/ digital resources. derivation: provenance is part of provenance of another. we want to say a digital artifact is the result of a physical process / object.

15:27:15 <Luc> ack pgroth

Luc Moreau: ack pgroth

15:27:24 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:27:58 <satya> q+

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Unknown satya: q+

15:28:00 <tlebo> pgroth: we need to fit with web architecture, which has limits. should our Resource be a broader notion of web's Resource?

Paul Groth: we need to fit with web architecture, which has limits. should our Resource be a broader notion of web's Resource?

15:28:00 <Luc> ack jcheney

Luc Moreau: ack jcheney

15:28:15 <martin> i agree with tlebo

Martin Doerr: i agree with tlebo

15:28:53 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:29:04 <martin> q?

Martin Doerr: q?

15:29:15 <pgroth> interesting idea

Paul Groth: interesting idea

15:29:30 <tlebo> jcheney: what are the consequences of fixing a definition? we can then say what is or what isn't. we should focus on what we NEED to assume about the concepts rather than mapping them all out.

James Cheney: what are the consequences of fixing a definition? we can then say what is or what isn't. we should focus on what we NEED to assume about the concepts rather than mapping them all out.

15:29:38 <pgroth> more of a extensional definition

Paul Groth: more of a extensional definition

15:30:02 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:30:05 <tlebo> jcheney: list has been saying "we don't care what a Resource is as long as it has a URI"

James Cheney: list has been saying "we don't care what a Resource is as long as it has a URI"

15:30:14 <martin> this is problematic

Martin Doerr: this is problematic

15:30:24 <satya> I agree - if we need to describe provenance of something - that is a resource

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Unknown satya: I agree - if we need to describe provenance of something - that is a resource

15:30:25 <Zakim> -jorn

Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn

15:30:39 <Luc> ack satya

Luc Moreau: ack satya

15:30:40 <satya> so a necessary condition rather than sufficient

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Unknown satya: so a necessary condition rather than sufficient

15:30:47 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:30:52 <jun> q+

Jun Zhao: q+

15:30:55 <Zakim> +??P37

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P37

15:31:07 <jorn> Zakim, ??p37 is me

Jörn Hees: Zakim, ??p37 is me

15:31:07 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it

15:31:14 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:31:19 <tlebo> satya: an entity of interest to describe provenance - it is a Resource. we are not limiting ourselves with this kind of def.

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Unknown satya: an entity of interest to describe provenance - it is a Resource. we are not limiting ourselves with this kind of def.

15:31:33 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:31:42 <pgroth> q+ to respond to satya

Paul Groth: q+ to respond to satya

15:31:54 <tlebo> satya: regarding compatible with web arch being restricting - what is web architecture, and why be compatible with it?

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Unknown satya: regarding compatible with web arch being restricting - what is web architecture, and why be compatible with it?

15:31:56 <martin> q?

Martin Doerr: q?

15:32:02 <Zakim> -Edoardo

Zakim IRC Bot: -Edoardo

15:32:19 <Luc> can someone paste the link to the web architecture document?

Luc Moreau: can someone paste the link to the web architecture document?

15:32:20 <tlebo> pgroth: web architecture definitions "Resource" in web context means something particular.

Paul Groth: web architecture definitions "Resource" in web context means something particular.

15:32:30 <GK> <cough> *WHY BE COMPATIBLE WITH WEB ARCHITECTURE"?  This is a w3C WG.

Graham Klyne: <cough> *WHY BE COMPATIBLE WITH WEB ARCHITECTURE"? This is a w3C WG.

15:32:38 <jcheney> web architecture == http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/ ?

James Cheney: web architecture == http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/ ?

15:32:42 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:32:58 <Zakim> +??P55

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P55

15:32:59 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

15:32:59 <Zakim> pgroth, you wanted to respond to satya

Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth, you wanted to respond to satya

15:33:05 <tlebo> pgroth: we should ensure our terms are compatible with web architecture, and if we reuse the terms with different definitions, we need to be clear about it.

Paul Groth: we should ensure our terms are compatible with web architecture, and if we reuse the terms with different definitions, we need to be clear about it.

15:33:34 <zednik> conceptual model != architecture

Stephan Zednik: conceptual model != architecture

15:33:34 <tlebo> satya: what is compatible in web architecture is evolving (e.g. UniProt's RDF wasn't available years ago).

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Unknown satya: what is compatible in web architecture is evolving (e.g. UniProt's RDF wasn't available years ago).

15:33:35 <pgroth> but that's not our remit

Paul Groth: but that's not our remit

15:33:44 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:33:48 <Edoardo> Zakim, I am  ??P55

Edoardo Pignotti: Zakim, I am ??P55

15:33:49 <Zakim> +Edoardo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Edoardo; got it

15:33:49 <Luc> ack jun

Luc Moreau: ack jun

15:34:14 <tlebo> just becuase it didn't have a resolvable URI on the web, doesn't mean it's not already a resource (w.r.t the Uniprot's genes, etc)

just becuase it didn't have a resolvable URI on the web, doesn't mean it's not already a resource (w.r.t the Uniprot's genes, etc)

15:34:31 <khalidbelhajjame> +q

Khalid Belhajjame: +q

15:34:31 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:34:42 <martin> ack jun

Martin Doerr: ack jun

15:35:25 <martin> q+

Martin Doerr: q+

15:35:26 <zednik> +q

Stephan Zednik: +q

15:35:28 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:35:31 <tlebo> jun: just be clear about our terms vs. web architecture's term - we just need a placeholder

Jun Zhao: just be clear about our terms vs. web architecture's term - we just need a placeholder

15:35:34 <paulo_> q+

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: q+

15:35:50 <pgroth> we can introduce terms

Paul Groth: we can introduce terms

15:35:54 <jcheney> AWWW sec. 2.2 says: "We do not limit the scope of what might be a resource."

James Cheney: AWWW sec. 2.2 says: "We do not limit the scope of what might be a resource."

15:36:00 <jun> q-

Jun Zhao: q-

15:36:03 <Luc> ack

Luc Moreau: ack

15:36:04 <tlebo> +1 on not continuing Resource discussion - w3 gave us this already.

+1 on not continuing Resource discussion - w3 gave us this already.

15:36:07 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:36:14 <Luc> ack khalidbelhajjame

Luc Moreau: ack khalidbelhajjame

15:36:16 <stain> +1

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Unknown stain: +1

15:37:01 <Luc> ack martin

Luc Moreau: ack martin

15:37:02 <tlebo> khalad... : resource state, resource state representation - what do we refer to when we describe provenance - THIS is more helpful. NOT "Resource"

khalad... : resource state, resource state representation - what do we refer to when we describe provenance - THIS is more helpful. NOT "Resource"

15:37:31 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:37:43 <satya> +1 for khalid's point

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Unknown satya: +1 for khalid's point

15:38:14 <tlebo> martin: we need to distinguish among Resource. information objects behave differently than physical objects. Definition should not be so wide that we don't know what we're talking about. It should be enough to distinguish between physical and digital resource.

Martin Doerr: we need to distinguish among Resource. information objects behave differently than physical objects. Definition should not be so wide that we don't know what we're talking about. It should be enough to distinguish between physical and digital resource.

15:38:28 <Luc> ack zednik

Luc Moreau: ack zednik

15:38:49 <pgroth> but then we then need to use different terms

Paul Groth: but then we then need to use different terms

15:38:50 <smiles> +1 for Stephan's point

Simon Miles: +1 for Stephan's point

15:38:58 <Luc> ack paulo_

Luc Moreau: ack paulo_

15:38:59 <martin> +1

Martin Doerr: +1

15:39:00 <tlebo> zednik: conceptual model of provenance might not be the place for Web arch's Resource.

Stephan Zednik: conceptual model of provenance might not be the place for Web arch's Resource.

15:39:03 <zednik> q-

Stephan Zednik: q-

15:39:35 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:39:43 <martin> -1

Martin Doerr: -1

15:39:52 <pgroth> paulo_ PML uses IdentifiedThing

Paul Groth: paulo_ PML uses IdentifiedThing

15:39:57 <Zakim> -Yogesh

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Yogesh

15:40:06 <GK> @zednik - maybe so, but to do need to know where it touches web resource

Graham Klyne: @zednik - maybe so, but to do need to know where it touches web resource

15:40:10 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:40:13 <tlebo> paulo_: provenance is in the digital world but is about things in physical world. scientific processes inherently span these.

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: provenance is in the digital world but is about things in physical world. scientific processes inherently span these.

15:40:17 <Luc> ack pgroth

Luc Moreau: ack pgroth

15:40:21 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:40:35 <Luc> ack pgroth

Luc Moreau: ack pgroth

15:40:42 <tlebo> In the web arch, doesn't 303 redirection handle the digital/physical distinction?

In the web arch, doesn't 303 redirection handle the digital/physical distinction?

15:40:55 <martin> digital objects can be at different places at the same time. that makes a big diff to physical things

Martin Doerr: digital objects can be at different places at the same time. that makes a big diff to physical things

15:41:13 <YolandaGil> q?

Yolanda Gil: q?

15:41:16 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:41:19 <tlebo> digital objects CANNOT be in different places at the same time. cf FRBR.

digital objects CANNOT be in different places at the same time. cf FRBR.

15:41:20 <YolandaGil> q+

Yolanda Gil: q+

15:41:40 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:41:42 <tlebo> pgroth: term Resource in web arch is aligned with what we are talking about.

Paul Groth: term Resource in web arch is aligned with what we are talking about.

15:41:44 <jun> +1 pgroth, web architecture allows to make a broad statement about resource

Jun Zhao: +1 pgroth, web architecture allows to make a broad statement about resource

15:41:52 <Luc> ack YolandaGil

Luc Moreau: ack YolandaGil

15:43:11 <stain> +1 for yolanda's point of timestamp

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Unknown stain: +1 for yolanda's point of timestamp

15:43:11 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:43:51 <tlebo> YolandaGil: Resource is the hardest to define of the 17. list concepts that are fundamentally different. accessing a UR_L_ at different times returns different digital objects. Let's establish the base of terms we need to discuss (e.g. 7/17)

Yolanda Gil: Resource is the hardest to define of the 17. list concepts that are fundamentally different. accessing a UR_L_ at different times returns different digital objects. Let's establish the base of terms we need to discuss (e.g. 7/17)

15:43:55 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:44:46 <tlebo> luc: take this to the mailing list (!)

Luc Moreau: take this to the mailing list (!)

15:44:51 <martin> +1

Martin Doerr: +1

15:45:01 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

15:45:04 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:45:07 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:45:07 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:45:10 <tlebo> +1

+1

15:45:10 <paulo_> +1

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: +1

15:45:13 <Edoardo> +1

Edoardo Pignotti: +1

15:45:15 <martin> q+

Martin Doerr: q+

15:45:16 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

15:45:23 <jun> +1

Jun Zhao: +1

15:45:34 <smiles> OK :)

Simon Miles: OK :)

15:45:42 <Edoardo> Yes

Edoardo Pignotti: Yes

15:45:43 <tlebo> luc: +1s are on the hook for mailing the list

Luc Moreau: +1s are on the hook for mailing the list

15:45:43 <GK> I kinda agree with what Yolanda said ... if we leave "resource" wide open, and look at the things we need to express, if a need emerges to say something more specific we'll have a better idea what that is.

Graham Klyne: I kinda agree with what Yolanda said ... if we leave "resource" wide open, and look at the things we need to express, if a need emerges to say something more specific we'll have a better idea what that is.

15:45:55 <GK> +1 to mailing list :)

Graham Klyne: +1 to mailing list :)

15:46:01 <tlebo> [] < who

[] < who

15:46:03 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:46:04 <GK> Hooked!

Graham Klyne: Hooked!

15:46:16 <jun> I think Yolanda just said what I wanted to say in a much better way :)

Jun Zhao: I think Yolanda just said what I wanted to say in a much better way :)

15:46:21 <Zakim> -jorn

Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn

15:46:47 <martin> q+

Martin Doerr: q+

15:46:52 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

15:46:53 <tlebo> group agrees that the relationships among the terms can reinforce the terms definitions.

group agrees that the relationships among the terms can reinforce the terms definitions.

15:47:08 <jorn> Zakim, ??p14 is me

Jörn Hees: Zakim, ??p14 is me

15:47:08 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it

15:47:20 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:47:53 <Luc> ack martin

Luc Moreau: ack martin

15:48:15 <tlebo> martin: e.g. file downloaded from web. at the moment on the server. is it the content of the disk (whcih can be destroyed) or is it the sum of all copies. if you change one copy, how does it affect the rest of it.

Martin Doerr: e.g. file downloaded from web. at the moment on the server. is it the content of the disk (whcih can be destroyed) or is it the sum of all copies. if you change one copy, how does it affect the rest of it.

15:48:16 <paulo_> q+

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: q+

15:48:31 <tlebo> martin: physical - changing it is permanent. and thus linear

Martin Doerr: physical - changing it is permanent. and thus linear

15:48:59 <Luc> ack paulo_

Luc Moreau: ack paulo_

15:49:16 <tlebo> luc: we extract notions of Resource from these examples (per Yolanda)

Luc Moreau: we extract notions of Resource from these examples (per Yolanda)

15:49:38 <pgroth> hmmm.... I thought IdentifiedThing == Resource

Paul Groth: hmmm.... I thought IdentifiedThing == Resource

15:49:40 <pgroth> in PML

Paul Groth: in PML

15:50:14 <martin> +1

Martin Doerr: +1

15:50:16 <GK> @martin, difficult to fully understand your point from the IRC log, but I'd say each instance (or item in FRBR terms) is a separate "resource" for provenance purposes.

Graham Klyne: @martin, difficult to fully understand your point from the IRC log, but I'd say each instance (or item in FRBR terms) is a separate "resource" for provenance purposes.

15:50:23 <tlebo> paulo_: break apart "file" with some properties like where it is located, vs. it is also a "Content container" - need to distinguish content from container.

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: break apart "file" with some properties like where it is located, vs. it is also a "Content container" - need to distinguish content from container.

15:50:41 <martin> @GK sure

Martin Doerr: @GK sure

15:51:03 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:51:04 <tlebo> paulo_: FRBR's work, expression, manifestation, and item

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: FRBR's work, expression, manifestation, and item

15:51:35 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:51:39 <dgarijo> a version wouldn't be a state representation of a resource?

Daniel Garijo: a version wouldn't be a state representation of a resource?

15:51:39 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:51:43 <tlebo> paulo_: version is another term related to Resource. Resource cannot be monolithic.

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: version is another term related to Resource. Resource cannot be monolithic.

15:51:53 <martin> @tlebo item is the physical level

Martin Doerr: @tlebo item is the physical level

15:52:00 <Luc> ack pgroth

Luc Moreau: ack pgroth

15:52:22 <tlebo> @martin agreed on physicality of items.

@martin agreed on physicality of items.

15:52:29 <martin> +1

Martin Doerr: +1

15:52:40 <satya> @GK: instances may also not be separate resources for provenance purposes - E.g. provenance of all instances of class "human" involves "date of birth"

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Unknown satya: @GK: instances may also not be separate resources for provenance purposes - E.g. provenance of all instances of class "human" involves "date of birth"

15:52:43 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:52:50 <zednik> Web Resource State = FRBR Expression

Stephan Zednik: Web Resource State = FRBR Expression

15:52:50 <tlebo> pgroth: we can be guided by charter, but are not constrained by it.

Paul Groth: we can be guided by charter, but are not constrained by it.

15:53:11 <zednik> Web Resource State Representation == FRBR Manifestation?

Stephan Zednik: Web Resource State Representation == FRBR Manifestation?

15:53:28 <martin> @satya categorical descriptions are even more fuzzy.

Martin Doerr: @satya categorical descriptions are even more fuzzy.

15:53:33 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:54:14 <tlebo> paulo_: parts of process hidden that might come up later? e.g. versioning, physical copies.

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: parts of process hidden that might come up later? e.g. versioning, physical copies.

15:54:26 <GK> @satya Not quite sure your point.  Agree that instances may be related, maybe share provenenace.  But don't see that means we need to treat every "resource" as complex, stateful thing.

Graham Klyne: @satya Not quite sure your point. Agree that instances may be related, maybe share provenenace. But don't see that means we need to treat every "resource" as complex, stateful thing.

15:54:28 <martin> q+

Martin Doerr: q+

15:54:36 <Luc> ack martin

Luc Moreau: ack martin

15:55:02 <satya> @martin by categorical description you mean (ontology) class?

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Unknown satya: @martin by categorical description you mean (ontology) class?

15:55:27 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:55:33 <tlebo> martin: museum and ontology for FRBR world. distinction of material object and conceptual level (e.g. Work) - no more than 2(?)

Martin Doerr: museum and ontology for FRBR world. distinction of material object and conceptual level (e.g. Work) - no more than 2(?)

15:55:37 <smiles> q+

Simon Miles: q+

15:55:44 <Luc> ack smiles

Luc Moreau: ack smiles

15:55:51 <tlebo> @martin - did you intend to say only 2 levels?

@martin - did you intend to say only 2 levels?

15:56:05 <martin> @satya I mean how a set of items behaves collectively

Martin Doerr: @satya I mean how a set of items behaves collectively

15:56:21 <YolandaGil> Luc, Paul: Sorry I was not on the IRC before: I can definitely do the Provenance Incubator presentation next Friday at 8am PDT

Yolanda Gil: Luc, Paul: Sorry I was not on the IRC before: I can definitely do the Provenance Incubator presentation next Friday at 8am PDT

15:56:25 <tlebo> smiles: mutable things vs immutable things. replicable things vs. unique things. (digital resource copied)

Simon Miles: mutable things vs immutable things. replicable things vs. unique things. (digital resource copied)

15:56:28 <satya> @gk I agree - how we treat "resource" is mostly driven by requirements of the application in question

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Unknown satya: @gk I agree - how we treat "resource" is mostly driven by requirements of the application in question

15:56:35 <zednik> @martin - FRBR recognizes 4 distinct levels of entities - 3 are conceptual

Stephan Zednik: @martin - FRBR recognizes 4 distinct levels of entities - 3 are conceptual

15:56:39 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:56:48 <pgroth> Thanks Yolanda!

Paul Groth: Thanks Yolanda!

15:57:10 <martin> @zednik discuss by e-mail...

Martin Doerr: @zednik discuss by e-mail...

15:57:28 <tlebo> luc: lots of good ideas and points, they need to be expanded on mailing list and wiki to be discussed properly.

Luc Moreau: lots of good ideas and points, they need to be expanded on mailing list and wiki to be discussed properly.

15:57:38 <tlebo> luc: please post to mailing list or wiki.

Luc Moreau: please post to mailing list or wiki.

15:57:41 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:58:06 <satya> @martin ok - behavior of set of items can also be used to group together items?

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Unknown satya: @martin ok - behavior of set of items can also be used to group together items?

15:58:12 <tlebo> Yolanda next Friday 8am PDT

Yolanda next Friday 8am PDT

15:58:12 <GK> I think FRBR is like ISO 7-layer model.  Useful as a way of teasing apart concepts, but not every case where some of the concepts apply neatly divides into all named levels.

Graham Klyne: I think FRBR is like ISO 7-layer model. Useful as a way of teasing apart concepts, but not every case where some of the concepts apply neatly divides into all named levels.

15:58:17 <tlebo> bye bye!

bye bye!

15:58:18 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.a]

15:58:19 <Zakim> -SatyaSahoo

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Zakim IRC Bot: -SatyaSahoo

15:58:19 <Zakim> -smiles

Zakim IRC Bot: -smiles

15:58:20 <Zakim> - +1.915.747.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.915.747.aadd

15:58:20 <Zakim> -frew

Zakim IRC Bot: -frew

15:58:20 <Zakim> -khalidbelhajjame

Zakim IRC Bot: -khalidbelhajjame

15:58:23 <Zakim> -jorn

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15:58:24 <Zakim> -jun

Zakim IRC Bot: -jun

15:58:26 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

15:58:28 <Zakim> -??P57

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P57

15:58:30 <Zakim> -??P28

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P28

15:58:35 <Zakim> -Yolanda

Zakim IRC Bot: -Yolanda

15:58:37 <Zakim> -jcheney

Zakim IRC Bot: -jcheney

15:58:39 <Zakim> -dgarijo

Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo

15:58:40 <Zakim> -Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc

15:58:42 <Zakim> -zednik

Zakim IRC Bot: -zednik

15:58:43 <stain> btw - how do you get a name with Zakim?

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Unknown stain: btw - how do you get a name with Zakim?

15:58:44 <Zakim> -??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P4

15:58:47 <Zakim> - +30281039aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: - +30281039aacc

15:58:47 <GK> Bye.  I'll try and get my VOIP client sorted for next time.

Graham Klyne: Bye. I'll try and get my VOIP client sorted for next time.

15:58:49 <Zakim> -SamCoppens

Zakim IRC Bot: -SamCoppens

15:58:53 <Zakim> -Edoardo

Zakim IRC Bot: -Edoardo

15:58:57 <Luc> rrsagent, set log public

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, set log public

15:58:59 <Zakim> -tlebo

Zakim IRC Bot: -tlebo

15:59:10 <stain> GK, used Blink today (first time) - all right

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Unknown stain: GK, used Blink today (first time) - all right

15:59:18 <Luc> rrsagent, draft minutes

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, draft minutes

15:59:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-prov-minutes.html Luc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-prov-minutes.html Luc

15:59:36 <Luc> trackbot, end telcon

Luc Moreau: trackbot, end telcon

15:59:36 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

15:59:36 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Luc, pgroth, smiles, +1.518.276.aaaa, frew, tlebo, dgarijo, SatyaSahoo, jun, jorn, khalidbelhajjame, VinhNguyen, Yolanda, +1.213.290.aabb,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Luc, pgroth, smiles, +1.518.276.aaaa, frew, tlebo, dgarijo, SatyaSahoo, jun, jorn, khalidbelhajjame, VinhNguyen, Yolanda, +1.213.290.aabb,

15:59:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:59:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-prov-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-prov-minutes.html trackbot

15:59:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

15:59:38 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-prov-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-prov-actions.rdf :

15:59:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: luc to ask w3 about invited experts. [1]

ACTION: luc to ask w3 about invited experts. [1]

15:59:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-prov-irc#T15-05-47

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-prov-irc#T15-05-47

15:59:40 <Zakim> ... [IPcaller], zednik, +30281039aacc, +1.915.747.aadd, jcheney, Yogesh, SamCoppens, Edoardo

Zakim IRC Bot: ... [IPcaller], zednik, +30281039aacc, +1.915.747.aadd, jcheney, Yogesh, SamCoppens, Edoardo

15:59:42 <GK> @stain, that on Mac?

Graham Klyne: @stain, that on Mac?



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