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17:01:38 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/11-owl-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/11-owl-irc ←
17:01:50 <sandro> RRSAgent, make log public
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make log public ←
17:02:09 <Zakim> + +039047101aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +039047101aaaa ←
17:02:21 <Zakim> +Zhe
Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe ←
17:02:52 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
17:02:55 <StellaMitchell> zakim, ibm is temporarily me
Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown StellaMitchell: zakim, ibm is temporarily me ←
17:02:55 <Zakim> +StellaMitchell; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +StellaMitchell; got it ←
17:03:01 <Zakim> + +1.845.227.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.845.227.aabb ←
17:03:14 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
17:03:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Sandro, Ivan, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, +1.845.227.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Sandro, Ivan, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, +1.845.227.aabb ←
17:03:16 <ChrisW> zakim, aabb is me
Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ChrisW: zakim, aabb is me ←
17:03:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see Zhe, StellaMitchell, RRSAgent, ChrisW, josb, Zakim, ivan, bmotik, sandro, pfps, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Zhe, StellaMitchell, RRSAgent, ChrisW, josb, Zakim, ivan, bmotik, sandro, pfps, trackbot ←
17:03:17 <StellaMitchell> i'll scribe
Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown StellaMitchell: i'll scribe ←
17:03:19 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ChrisW; got it ←
17:03:31 <sandro> scribe: StellaMitchell
Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
(Scribe set to Unknown StellaMitchell)
17:04:08 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
17:04:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Sandro, Ivan, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, ChrisW
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Sandro, Ivan, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, ChrisW ←
17:04:30 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:04:30 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:04:41 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:04:41 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:04:54 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
17:04:55 <ivan> :-(
Ivan Herman: :-( ←
17:05:20 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
17:05:20 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
17:05:21 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
17:05:38 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
17:05:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Sandro, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, ChrisW, ??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Sandro, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, ChrisW, ??P7 ←
17:05:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see christine, Zhe, StellaMitchell, RRSAgent, ChrisW, josb, Zakim, ivan, bmotik, sandro, pfps, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see christine, Zhe, StellaMitchell, RRSAgent, ChrisW, josb, Zakim, ivan, bmotik, sandro, pfps, trackbot ←
17:05:48 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
17:05:48 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
17:05:50 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
17:05:51 <sandro> zakim, ??P7 is Christine
Sandro Hawke: zakim, ??P7 is Christine ←
17:05:51 <Zakim> +Christine; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Christine; got it ←
17:06:19 <sandro> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Dec/0035.html
17:06:37 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
17:07:09 <StellaMitchell> sandro: Goal this meeting is to figure out the tasks and who will do them, but not to dig completely into all the technical details
Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Sandro Hawke: Goal this meeting is to figure out the tasks and who will do them, but not to dig completely into all the technical details ←
17:08:06 <StellaMitchell> sandro: four topics of coordination, the first is probably simple
Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Sandro Hawke: four topics of coordination, the first is probably simple ←
17:08:19 <StellaMitchell> ...first item: rdf:text
Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
...first item: rdf:text ←
17:08:29 <ChrisW> Topic: rdf:text
17:08:43 <ChrisW> zakim, list agenda
Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ChrisW: zakim, list agenda ←
17:08:43 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
Zakim IRC Bot: I see nothing on the agenda ←
17:08:50 <ChrisW> agenda+ rdf:text
Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ChrisW: agenda+ rdf:text ←
17:08:53 <StellaMitchell> ...when it was published I said public comments should go to the public owl list
Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
...when it was published I said public comments should go to the public owl list ←
17:08:55 <ChrisW> take up item 1
Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ChrisW: take up item 1 ←
17:09:03 <ChrisW> zakim, take up item 1
Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ChrisW: zakim, take up item 1 ←
17:09:03 <Zakim> agendum 1. "rdf:text" taken up [from ChrisW]
17:09:09 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
17:09:34 <ChrisW> agenda+ RIF OWL&RDF compatibility
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Unknown ChrisW: agenda+ RIF OWL&RDF compatibility ←
17:09:57 <ChrisW> agenda+ The list of datatypes
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Unknown ChrisW: agenda+ The list of datatypes ←
17:10:10 <ChrisW> agenda+ OWL RL
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Unknown ChrisW: agenda+ OWL RL ←
17:10:14 <StellaMitchell> chris: ask editors of rdf:text if they are willing to be the coordinators of public comments
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Christine Golbreich: ask editors of rdf:text if they are willing to be the coordinators of public comments ←
17:10:49 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:10:57 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:10:57 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:11:00 <sandro> ack bmotik
Sandro Hawke: ack bmotik ←
17:11:07 <StellaMitchell> sandro: in terms of last call and dependences, the OWL ? spec depends on this, and some RIF documents will also be dependent also
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Sandro Hawke: in terms of last call and dependences, the OWL ? spec depends on this, and some RIF documents will also be dependent also ←
17:11:34 <DaveReynolds> q+
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Unknown DaveReynolds: q+ ←
17:11:39 <sandro> ack DaveReynolds
Sandro Hawke: ack DaveReynolds ←
17:12:20 <StellaMitchell> boris: is it ok to say in the spec that we sppport the rdf:text datatype, and if it changes later that will be ok
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Boris Motik: is it ok to say in the spec that we sppport the rdf:text datatype, and if it changes later that will be ok ←
17:13:28 <StellaMitchell> ...use it in an opaque way, and so remove the dependency on the document. This applies to other datatype also.
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...use it in an opaque way, and so remove the dependency on the document. This applies to other datatype also. ←
17:13:33 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:14:05 <StellaMitchell> daver: rdf:text is a different case from other datatypes
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Unknown daver: rdf:text is a different case from other datatypes ←
17:14:30 <StellaMitchell> boris: when you say you change rdf:text, you are not chaning the satisfiability of any document
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Boris Motik: when you say you change rdf:text, you are not chaning the satisfiability of any document ←
17:14:38 <StellaMitchell> daver: yes, it would be an observable change
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Unknown daver: yes, it would be an observable change ←
17:14:50 <sandro> ack ivan
Sandro Hawke: ack ivan ←
17:14:51 <StellaMitchell> ....,Andy Seaborne sent an email about this
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....,Andy Seaborne sent an email about this ←
17:15:26 <StellaMitchell> ivan: I don't see the problem
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Ivan Herman: I don't see the problem ←
17:16:03 <StellaMitchell> sandro: Andy's email sent to the public rdf:text list shows the problem
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Sandro Hawke: Andy's email sent to the public rdf:text list shows the problem ←
17:17:47 <StellaMitchell> sandro: we need to make sure now that rdf:text will be defined in an acceptable way - we can't assume it will happen in the future
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Sandro Hawke: we need to make sure now that rdf:text will be defined in an acceptable way - we can't assume it will happen in the future ←
17:18:00 <sandro> sandro; we need rdf:text to get to rec before anything that depends on it
Sandro Hawke: sandro; we need rdf:text to get to rec before anything that depends on it ←
17:18:10 <DaveReynolds> Andy's message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-text/2008OctDec/0032.html
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Unknown DaveReynolds: Andy's message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-text/2008OctDec/0032.html ←
17:18:25 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Dec/0046.html
Sandro Hawke: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Dec/0046.html ←
17:18:29 <StellaMitchell> zakim, next item
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17:18:29 <Zakim> agendum 2. "RIF OWL&RDF compatibility" taken up [from ChrisW]
17:18:55 <StellaMitchell> jos: summarizing the above email
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Unknown jos: summarizing the above email ←
17:21:14 <StellaMitchell> ...I made 5 proposals (labelled P1 through P5) in the email
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...I made 5 proposals (labelled P1 through P5) in the email ←
17:21:54 <StellaMitchell> sandro: I don't understand the relationship between owl 1 full and owl 2 full
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Sandro Hawke: I don't understand the relationship between owl 1 full and owl 2 full ←
17:22:25 <StellaMitchell> sandro: I tentatively agree to proposal P1
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Sandro Hawke: I tentatively agree to proposal P1 ←
17:22:51 <StellaMitchell> chris: there was a change to OWL full in OWL2, but do we believe it to be insignificant?
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Christine Golbreich: there was a change to OWL full in OWL2, but do we believe it to be insignificant? ←
17:23:08 <DaveReynolds> Similarly I see no problem with P1
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Unknown DaveReynolds: Similarly I see no problem with P1 ←
17:23:19 <sandro> sandro: sounds like P1 is fine
Sandro Hawke: sounds like P1 is fine [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:23:26 <StellaMitchell> jos, ivan: yes
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jos, boris: yes ←
17:23:44 <ivan> s/ivan/boris/
17:24:18 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
17:24:59 <StellaMitchell> jos: summarized P2 and P3
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Unknown jos: summarized P2 and P3 ←
17:25:39 <sandro> sandro: In OWL 2 you can't signal that you're not in OWL 1, so year, P2 and P3 make sense.
Sandro Hawke: In OWL 2 you can't signal that you're not in OWL 1, so year, P2 and P3 make sense. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:25:41 <StellaMitchell> sandro: as I understand, you are not allowed to signal whether you're in OWL 1 and OWL 2
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Sandro Hawke: as I understand, you are not allowed to signal whether you're in OWL 1 and OWL 2 ←
17:25:53 <StellaMitchell> boris: P2 and P3 are ok with me'
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Boris Motik: P2 and P3 are ok with me' ←
17:26:51 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/SWC#Importing_RDF_and_OWL_in_RIF
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/SWC#Importing_RDF_and_OWL_in_RIF ←
17:27:46 <StellaMitchell> jos: explaining IRIs of profiles. reference above.
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Unknown jos: explaining IRIs of profiles. reference above. ←
17:27:56 <StellaMitchell> sandro: note that these are not like OWL profiles
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Sandro Hawke: note that these are not like OWL profiles ←
17:28:25 <StellaMitchell> jos: does anyone disagree with P4?
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Unknown jos: does anyone disagree with P4? ←
17:28:38 <sandro> Jos: drop OWL Dl annotaiton
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Unknown Jos: drop OWL Dl annotaiton [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:28:39 <StellaMitchell> sandro: do we still need the annotation profile?
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Sandro Hawke: do we still need the annotation profile? ←
17:28:47 <StellaMitchell> jos: no, would drop it.
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Unknown jos: no, would drop it. ←
17:29:40 <StellaMitchell> sandro: conformance clause for owl says everyone has to implement rdf serializaiton for owl and them may implement the other ones
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Sandro Hawke: conformance clause for owl says everyone has to implement rdf serializaiton for owl and they may implement the other ones ←
17:29:53 <StellaMitchell> s/them/they/
17:30:19 <sandro> sandro: I think leave it RDF/XML, but maybe add a note about other syntaxes.
Sandro Hawke: I think leave it RDF/XML, but maybe add a note about other syntaxes. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:30:58 <StellaMitchell> jos: I don't have a strong opinion about allowing other syntaxes to be imported
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Unknown jos: I don't have a strong opinion about allowing other syntaxes to be imported ←
17:31:08 <StellaMitchell> jos: summarizing P5
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Unknown jos: summarizing P5 ←
17:31:53 <sandro> jos: "OWL DLP" would migrate to "OWL 2 RL"
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Unknown jos: "OWL DLP" would migrate to "OWL 2 RL" [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:32:25 <StellaMitchell> boris: what is meant by a combination?
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Boris Motik: what is meant by a combination? ←
17:32:28 <DaveReynolds> Agree with P5 too
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Unknown DaveReynolds: Agree with P5 too ←
17:32:33 <sandro> P5 sounds good...
Sandro Hawke: P5 sounds good... ←
17:32:55 <StellaMitchell> jos: (explained combination)
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Unknown jos: (explained combination) ←
17:33:06 <StellaMitchell> chris: why should DLP be dropped?
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Christine Golbreich: why should DLP be dropped? ←
17:33:25 <StellaMitchell> jos: OWL 2 RL is sort of the same thing
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Unknown jos: OWL 2 RL is sort of the same thing ←
17:34:27 <StellaMitchell> chris: but is not the same thing, so why should we drop DLP? Most OWL implementations are currently OWL 1
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Christine Golbreich: but is not the same thing, so why should we drop DLP? Most OWL implementations are currently OWL 1 ←
17:35:50 <StellaMitchell> jos: I made up this DLP, it's not the one you are thinking of that people have implemented
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Unknown jos: I made up this DLP, it's not the one you are thinking of that people have implemented ←
17:35:54 <sandro> jos: no datatype support in Horrocks et al DLP. that's one of several differences.
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Unknown jos: no datatype support in Horrocks et al DLP. that's one of several differences. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:36:53 <Zhe> q+
17:36:59 <DaveReynolds> +1 with Jos
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Unknown DaveReynolds: +1 with Jos ←
17:37:04 <ivan> +1 with Jos
Ivan Herman: +1 with Jos ←
17:37:32 <StellaMitchell> chris: I'm not sure about dropping the DLP section from RIF, RDF and OWL compatibility document, I need to think about it more
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Christine Golbreich: I'm not sure about dropping the DLP section from RIF, RDF and OWL compatibility document, I need to think about it more ←
17:37:37 <sandro> ack Zakim
Sandro Hawke: ack Zakim ←
17:37:41 <sandro> ack Zhe
Sandro Hawke: ack Zhe ←
17:38:35 <StellaMitchell> zhe: when I started in the OWL WG, we had a DLP but the working group decided to drop it, and then later OWL 2 RL was defined, so I support dropping DLP
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Zhe Wu: when I started in the OWL WG, we had a DLP but the working group decided to drop it, and then later OWL 2 RL was defined, so I support dropping DLP ←
17:38:49 <StellaMitchell> sandro: we'll investigate before deciding
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Sandro Hawke: we'll investigate before deciding ←
17:39:18 <sandro> topic: 3. The list of datatypes (aside from RL) (10 minutes)
17:39:30 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/DTB#Symbol_Spaces
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/DTB#Symbol_Spaces ←
17:39:30 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Datatype_Maps
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Datatype_Maps ←
17:39:40 <StellaMitchell> zakim, next item
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zakim, next item ←
17:39:40 <Zakim> agendum 3. "The list of datatypes" taken up [from ChrisW]
17:40:20 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:40:39 <sandro> ack bmotik
Sandro Hawke: ack bmotik ←
17:40:46 <StellaMitchell> chris: we should coordinate on the set of datatypes, there is no real rationale for having different sets in RIF and OWL
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Christine Golbreich: we should coordinate on the set of datatypes, there is no real rationale for having different sets in RIF and OWL ←
17:40:48 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/OWLRL#Datatypes_supported
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Unknown DaveReynolds: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/OWLRL#Datatypes_supported ←
17:41:30 <StellaMitchell> boris: it's not just the list of types, but we have adapted the semantics of some of the datatypes, e.g. for double
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Boris Motik: it's not just the list of types, but we have adapted the semantics of some of the datatypes, e.g. for double ←
17:42:35 <StellaMitchell> sandro: from what I understand, the same reasons should apply to RIF, and RIF should use the same definitions
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Sandro Hawke: from what I understand, the same reasons should apply to RIF, and RIF should use the same definitions ←
17:42:43 <sandro> sandro: It sounds like there's nothing OWL specific here.... so RIF should also use owl:real, etc?
Sandro Hawke: It sounds like there's nothing OWL specific here.... so RIF should also use owl:real, etc? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:42:59 <StellaMitchell> boris: RIF has casts between datatypes, and OWL does not
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Boris Motik: RIF has casts between datatypes, and OWL does not ←
17:44:32 <sandro> boris: imagine weight has range integer, and then someone gives a value of "70"^^xs:double --- that's inconsistent.
Boris Motik: imagine weight has range integer, and then someone gives a value of "70"^^xs:double --- that's inconsistent. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:44:56 <StellaMitchell> boris: giving example of how casts could results in inconsistency: range of certain property is integer, weight, someone puts 70.0 as double so
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Boris Motik: giving example of how casts could results in inconsistency: range of certain property is integer, weight, someone puts 70.0 as double so ←
17:45:00 <sandro> boris: In RIF you can do a cast, which allows you to hack around this situation.
Boris Motik: In RIF you can do a cast, which allows you to hack around this situation. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:45:44 <StellaMitchell> boris: OWL doesn't support any functions
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Boris Motik: OWL doesn't support any functions ←
17:45:48 <DaveReynolds> q+
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Unknown DaveReynolds: q+ ←
17:46:33 <StellaMitchell> chris: so we could adopt a common set of datatypes, where OWL doesn't include the built-ins and RIF does
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Christine Golbreich: so we could adopt a common set of datatypes, where OWL doesn't include the built-ins and RIF does ←
17:47:17 <sandro> ack DaveReynolds
Sandro Hawke: ack DaveReynolds ←
17:47:45 <StellaMitchell> dave: are you saying that owl real isn't separated from the integers?
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Unknown dave: are you saying that owl real isn't separated from the integers? ←
17:48:06 <sandro> boris explains owl:real and owl:realPlus
Sandro Hawke: boris explains owl:real and owl:realPlus ←
17:48:08 <StellaMitchell> boris: owl real is the umbrella for all the numeric datatypes
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Boris Motik: owl real is the umbrella for all the numeric datatypes ←
17:49:07 <StellaMitchell> chris: I'm trying to understand if there needs to be an actual difference in the set of datatypes
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Christine Golbreich: I'm trying to understand if there needs to be an actual difference in the set of datatypes ←
17:49:24 <StellaMitchell> ...such that we can share datatypes and RIF supports built-ins while OWL doesn't
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...such that we can share datatypes and RIF supports built-ins while OWL doesn't ←
17:49:44 <DaveReynolds> dave: don't understand how "1.1"^^owl:real can be both a double and decimal, they are different
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Unknown dave: don't understand how "1.1"^^owl:real can be both a double and decimal, they are different [ Scribe Assist by Unknown DaveReynolds ] ←
17:50:12 <StellaMitchell> boris: with our datatype definitions, we are trying to be more user friendly
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Boris Motik: with our datatype definitions, we are trying to be more user friendly ←
17:50:30 <StellaMitchell> chris: so, owl:real is a superclass?
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Christine Golbreich: so, owl:real is a superclass? ←
17:50:32 <StellaMitchell> boris: yes
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Boris Motik: yes ←
17:51:08 <StellaMitchell> chris: ok, so there is a difference in some of the datatype definitions
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Christine Golbreich: ok, so there is a difference in some of the datatype definitions ←
17:51:54 <StellaMitchell> chris: owl approach breaks xml schema compatibility
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Christine Golbreich: owl approach breaks xml schema compatibility ←
17:52:38 <StellaMitchell> boris: we did talk to xml schema people and they weren't averse to this, and supported it
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Boris Motik: we did talk to xml schema people and they weren't averse to this, and supported it ←
17:52:46 <Zhe> sure
17:53:00 <sandro> meeting extended until 20 after the hour.
Sandro Hawke: meeting extended until 20 after the hour. ←
17:53:16 <Zakim> -Ivan
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17:53:16 <StellaMitchell> chris: so that feedback from xml schema group may help address the concerns of the production rule concerns in RIF
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Christine Golbreich: so that feedback from xml schema group may help address the concerns of the production rule concerns in RIF ←
17:53:39 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
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Unknown ChrisW: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
17:53:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik, Sandro, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, ChrisW, Christine, DaveReynolds
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik, Sandro, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, ChrisW, Christine, DaveReynolds ←
17:54:42 <StellaMitchell> jos: these issues with value spaces are subtle and I would be ok with changing to the way OWL is doing it, but I think the long list of datatypes is a problem
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Unknown jos: these issues with value spaces are subtle and I would be ok with changing to the way OWL is doing it, but I think the long list of datatypes is a problem ←
17:55:21 <StellaMitchell> dave: owl:real sounds like a problem to me. people use decimal and double for specific reasons
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Unknown dave: owl:real sounds like a problem to me. people use decimal and double for specific reasons ←
17:55:37 <josb> q+
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Unknown josb: q+ ←
17:55:56 <StellaMitchell> dave: when you express something you need to know what it is
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Unknown dave: when you express something you need to know what it is ←
17:56:14 <StellaMitchell> boris: you do always know what it is
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Boris Motik: you do always know what it is ←
17:57:25 <StellaMitchell> ...small problem might be when you say the range must be an integer and then put a double constant there that is actually an integer
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...small problem might be when you say the range must be an integer and then put a double constant there that is actually an integer ←
17:57:33 <sandro> boris: The only question is when you do class reasoning on types....
Boris Motik: The only question is when you do class reasoning on types.... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:57:50 <StellaMitchell> ...in owl, we say you have not violated the range constraint in that case
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...in owl, we say you have not violated the range constraint in that case ←
17:57:59 <sandro> sandro: in RIF this comes up with is-this-an-integer applied to "70"^^xs:float or "70"^^xs:decimal.
Sandro Hawke: in RIF this comes up with is-this-an-integer applied to "70"^^xs:float or "70"^^xs:decimal. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:58:31 <StellaMitchell> sandro: RIF needs a test case about this, to get feeback from the WG
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Sandro Hawke: RIF needs a test case about this, to get feeback from the WG ←
17:58:59 <StellaMitchell> jos: what sandro wrote above, in OWL would you interpret those as different objects?
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Unknown jos: what sandro wrote above, in OWL would you interpret those as different objects? ←
17:59:12 <StellaMitchell> boris: no, we interpret them all as the integer 70
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Boris Motik: no, we interpret them all as the integer 70 ←
17:59:52 <StellaMitchell> ...but 0.1 double is not the same as 0.1 decimal, because 0.1 double gets rounded
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...but 0.1 double is not the same as 0.1 decimal, because 0.1 double gets rounded ←
18:00:07 <sandro> boris: "0.1"^^xs:float is NOT the same as "0.1"^^xs:decimal, because of rounding in the internal representation. We don't lose any precision.
Boris Motik: "0.1"^^xs:float is NOT the same as "0.1"^^xs:decimal, because of rounding in the internal representation. We don't lose any precision. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:00:47 <sandro> boris "70"^^xs:float and "70"^^xs:decimal are IDENTICAL in OWL -- they are both the number 70.
Sandro Hawke: boris "70"^^xs:float and "70"^^xs:decimal are IDENTICAL in OWL -- they are both the number 70. ←
18:01:40 <StellaMitchell> boris: xml schema defines equality differently from identity
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Boris Motik: xml schema defines equality differently from identity ←
18:02:26 <StellaMitchell> dave: if you put in value that is larger than the mantissa for xs:float, what happens?
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Unknown dave: if you put in value that is larger than the mantissa for xs:float, what happens? ←
18:03:07 <StellaMitchell> boris: it would follow the mapping giving in xml schema, I don't know what it is off the top of my head
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Boris Motik: it would follow the mapping giving in xml schema, I don't know what it is off the top of my head ←
18:04:34 <ChrisW> is 100000000000045 (assuming that is beyond the range of float) a *float*
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Unknown ChrisW: is 100000000000045 (assuming that is beyond the range of float) a *float* ←
18:04:47 <sandro> boris: This gets messy, comparing doubles with integers, etc, but we did manage to implement this in Hermit.
Boris Motik: This gets messy, comparing doubles with integers, etc, but we did manage to implement this in Hermit. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:06:03 <StellaMitchell> chris: question - is the number above considered a float?
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Christine Golbreich: question - is the number above considered a float? ←
18:06:11 <DaveReynolds> The test case is whether "100000000000045 "^^xsd:float = "100000000000045"^^xsd:integer, the answer should be no.
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Unknown DaveReynolds: The test case is whether "100000000000045 "^^xsd:float = "100000000000045"^^xsd:integer, the answer should be no. ←
18:06:28 <StellaMitchell> boris: yes, it is. but it might get rounded into another float
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Boris Motik: yes, it is. but it might get rounded into another float ←
18:06:45 <Zhe> or "1.0000000000000001"^^float = "1"^^integer, answer is yes
Zhe Wu: or "1.0000000000000001"^^float = "1"^^integer, answer is yes ←
18:07:20 <sandro> topic: 4. OWL RL (20 minutes)
18:08:33 <StellaMitchell> sandro: summarize items from agenda
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Sandro Hawke: summarize items from agenda ←
18:08:41 <sandro> -- aligning the list of datatypes
Sandro Hawke: -- aligning the list of datatypes ←
18:08:41 <sandro> -- providing the rules as a RIF Core document
Sandro Hawke: -- providing the rules as a RIF Core document ←
18:08:41 <sandro> -- any issues with the ruleset itself
Sandro Hawke: -- any issues with the ruleset itself ←
18:08:41 <sandro> -- rules/code to check the ontology
Sandro Hawke: -- rules/code to check the ontology ←
18:09:37 <StellaMitchell> sandro: first item: since datatypes don't align, we couldn't express OWL RL in RIF
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Unknown dave: first item: since datatypes don't align, we couldn't express OWL RL in RIF ←
18:09:59 <StellaMitchell> s/sandro:/dave:/
18:10:18 <sandro> DaveReynolds: it would be ideal if the OWL-RL datatypes were the intersection of OWL and RIF-Core datatypes.
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Unknown DaveReynolds: it would be ideal if the OWL-RL datatypes were the intersection of OWL and RIF-Core datatypes. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:11:03 <StellaMitchell> sandro: it will be easier to reduce the list of datatypes in OWL-RL than in the other OWL profiles
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Sandro Hawke: it will be easier to reduce the list of datatypes in OWL-RL than in the other OWL profiles ←
18:12:11 <StellaMitchell> sandro: customers would want RIF and OWL to be aligned
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Sandro Hawke: customers would want RIF and OWL to be aligned ←
18:12:20 <StellaMitchell> dave: normalized strings
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Unknown dave: normalized strings ←
18:12:26 <josb> q+
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Unknown josb: q+ ←
18:12:34 <sandro> ack josb
Sandro Hawke: ack josb ←
18:13:00 <StellaMitchell> jos: why in OWL-RL can you not allow datatypes with finite value spaces
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Unknown jos: why in OWL-RL can you not allow datatypes with finite value spaces ←
18:13:22 <StellaMitchell> boris: (missed answer)
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Boris Motik: (missed answer) ←
18:14:00 <StellaMitchell> ...maybe in OWL-RL that restriction is not necessary
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...maybe in OWL-RL that restriction is not necessary ←
18:14:10 <StellaMitchell> ...we do in EL and QL
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...we do in EL and QL ←
18:14:13 <sandro> boris: Ah, the finiteness restriction on OWL-RL might not be necessary.
Boris Motik: Ah, the finiteness restriction on OWL-RL might not be necessary. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:15:22 <StellaMitchell> sandro: Dave, are you willing to see if we can get these extra datatypes added to RIF Core?
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Sandro Hawke: Dave, are you willing to see if we can get these extra datatypes added to RIF Core? ←
18:15:49 <StellaMitchell> dave: I think it will be mostly up to Axel - I see no value in having things like ncname
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Unknown dave: I think it will be mostly up to Axel - I see no value in having things like ncname ←
18:16:14 <StellaMitchell> boris: we kept it for consistency, so we didn't have to explain why we excluded it
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Boris Motik: we kept it for consistency, so we didn't have to explain why we excluded it ←
18:16:32 <StellaMitchell> dave: RIF took opposite approach: each inclusion had to be justified
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Unknown dave: RIF took opposite approach: each inclusion had to be justified ←
18:19:16 <StellaMitchell> jos: owl:rational would be something completely new for RIF
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Unknown jos: owl:rational would be something completely new for RIF ←
18:19:52 <sandro> sandro: lets have RIF look at the RL datatype list and push back where necessary.
Sandro Hawke: lets have RIF look at the RL datatype list and push back where necessary. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:19:56 <StellaMitchell> sandro: RIF needs to look at list of OWL datatypes and see which ones can go in RIF core and then ask OWL to remove the other ones
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Sandro Hawke: RIF needs to look at list of OWL datatypes and see which ones can go in RIF core and then ask OWL to remove the other ones ←
18:20:16 <StellaMitchell> chris: does OWL 2 support all the RIF datatypes?
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Christine Golbreich: does OWL 2 support all the RIF datatypes? ←
18:20:47 <StellaMitchell> boris: there are 2 xquery, duration related ones that we don't support
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Boris Motik: there are 2 xquery, duration related ones that we don't support ←
18:21:58 <sandro> DaveReynolds: I'm fine with my document being folded into Jos'
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Unknown DaveReynolds: I'm fine with my document being folded into Jos' [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:22:10 <StellaMitchell> sandro: We need to decide what to do with the "OWL 2 RL in RIF" document
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Sandro Hawke: We need to decide what to do with the "OWL 2 RL in RIF" document ←
18:22:22 <josb> q+
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18:23:12 <StellaMitchell> chris: in Dave's document there is the RIF core rule implementation of OWL 2 RL and there is a lot of background information. How about just taking the RIF Core implementation and making that the OWL RL profile?
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Christine Golbreich: in Dave's document there is the RIF core rule implementation of OWL 2 RL and there is a lot of background information. How about just taking the RIF Core implementation and making that the OWL RL profile? ←
18:23:45 <sandro> bmotik: We're perfectly aware that a naive implementation of the OWL RL rules will have poor performance. But we wanted the semantics to be very clear.
Boris Motik: We're perfectly aware that a naive implementation of the OWL RL rules will have poor performance. But we wanted the semantics to be very clear. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:24:16 <sandro> bmotik: eg quadratic number of literals, but you'd need builtins and NAF, etc.
Boris Motik: eg quadratic number of literals, but you'd need builtins and NAF, etc. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:24:25 <sandro> bmotik: and we didnt want to go there.
Boris Motik: and we didnt want to go there. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:25:05 <StellaMitchell> chris: I don't understand your point. I'm suggesting you express the ruleset in RIF Core syntax.
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Christine Golbreich: I don't understand your point. I'm suggesting you express the ruleset in RIF Core syntax. ←
18:25:18 <sandro> chrisw: How about using RIF Core Presentation Syntax to express the OWL-RL rules?
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Unknown chrisw: How about using RIF Core Presentation Syntax to express the OWL-RL rules? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:25:24 <StellaMitchell> boris: ok, I understand the question. I'm not sure right now, have to consult with others.
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Boris Motik: ok, I understand the question. I'm not sure right now, have to consult with others. ←
18:25:25 <Zhe> q+
18:26:35 <StellaMitchell> chris: I think if we solve the datatype issues, then I think it would just be a small change to the syntax
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Christine Golbreich: I think if we solve the datatype issues, then I think it would just be a small change to the syntax ←
18:27:38 <sandro> ack josb
Sandro Hawke: ack josb ←
18:27:59 <StellaMitchell> dave: owl uses ellipsis, makes it easier to read, less explicity about what to implement
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Unknown dave: owl uses ellipsis, makes it easier to read, less explicity about what to implement ←
18:28:41 <sandro> jos: my embedding stuff does not operate on T(s,p,o) but on translation to RIF. very different.
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Unknown jos: my embedding stuff does not operate on T(s,p,o) but on translation to RIF. very different. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:28:50 <sandro> ack Zhe
Sandro Hawke: ack Zhe ←
18:29:35 <sandro> Zhe: I don't want to take out the RDF-oriented rule in the OWL-RL spec, but I like adding RIF stuff.
Zhe Wu: I don't want to take out the RDF-oriented rule in the OWL-RL spec, but I like adding RIF stuff. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:30:29 <StellaMitchell> boris: my personal opinion is that changing the actual ruleset would be painful for OWL
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Boris Motik: my personal opinion is that changing the actual ruleset would be painful for OWL ←
18:30:40 <StellaMitchell> ...and require extensive negotiations
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...and require extensive negotiations ←
18:30:48 <StellaMitchell> ...but changing syntax may be ok
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...but changing syntax may be ok ←
18:31:02 <ChrisW> "Life IS pain, princess. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something" - Princess Bride
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Unknown ChrisW: "Life IS pain, princess. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something" - Princess Bride ←
18:31:14 <DaveReynolds> :-)
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Unknown DaveReynolds: :-) ←
18:31:39 <Zhe> thanks
18:31:47 <Zakim> -Zhe
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18:31:48 <Zakim> -bmotik
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18:31:50 <christine> bye
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18:31:51 <Zakim> -ChrisW
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18:31:51 <Zakim> -Sandro
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18:31:53 <Zakim> -josb
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18:31:57 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
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Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ChrisW: rrsagent, make minutes ←
18:31:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/11-owl-minutes.html ChrisW
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/11-owl-minutes.html ChrisW ←
18:31:58 <Zakim> -Christine
Zakim IRC Bot: -Christine ←
18:31:59 <Zakim> Team_(owl)17:00Z has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(owl)17:00Z has ended ←
18:31:59 <sandro> StellaMitchell, thanks so much for scribing.
Sandro Hawke: StellaMitchell, thanks so much for scribing. ←
18:32:00 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, bmotik, Ivan, +039047101aaaa, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, +1.845.227.aabb, ChrisW, Christine, DaveReynolds
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Sandro, bmotik, Ivan, +039047101aaaa, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, +1.845.227.aabb, ChrisW, Christine, DaveReynolds ←
18:32:16 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make logs public
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Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ChrisW: rrsagent, make logs public ←
18:32:17 <StellaMitchell> you're welcome
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Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
you're welcome ←
18:32:25 <ChrisW> +1 thanks
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Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ChrisW: +1 thanks ←
18:32:30 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
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Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ChrisW: rrsagent, make minutes ←
18:32:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/11-owl-minutes.html ChrisW
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/11-owl-minutes.html ChrisW ←
18:33:19 <StellaMitchell> thanks, I have the minutes
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Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
thanks, I have the minutes ←
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