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OWL Working Group

Minutes of 11 December 2008

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Dec/0035.html
Seen
Boris Motik, Christine Golbreich, Ivan Herman, Sandro Hawke, Unknown ChrisW, Unknown DaveReynolds, Unknown StellaMitchell, Unknown josb, Zhe Wu
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Unknown StellaMitchell
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17:01:38 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/11-owl-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/11-owl-irc

17:01:50 <sandro> RRSAgent, make log public

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make log public

17:02:09 <Zakim> + +039047101aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +039047101aaaa

17:02:21 <Zakim> +Zhe

Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe

17:02:52 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

17:02:55 <StellaMitchell> zakim, ibm is temporarily me

Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown StellaMitchell: zakim, ibm is temporarily me

17:02:55 <Zakim> +StellaMitchell; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +StellaMitchell; got it

17:03:01 <Zakim> + +1.845.227.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.845.227.aabb

17:03:14 <sandro> zakim, who is here?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here?

17:03:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Sandro, Ivan, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, +1.845.227.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Sandro, Ivan, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, +1.845.227.aabb

17:03:16 <ChrisW> zakim, aabb is me

Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown ChrisW: zakim, aabb is me

17:03:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see Zhe, StellaMitchell, RRSAgent, ChrisW, josb, Zakim, ivan, bmotik, sandro, pfps, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Zhe, StellaMitchell, RRSAgent, ChrisW, josb, Zakim, ivan, bmotik, sandro, pfps, trackbot

17:03:17 <StellaMitchell> i'll scribe

Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown StellaMitchell: i'll scribe

17:03:19 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ChrisW; got it

17:03:31 <sandro> scribe: StellaMitchell

Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

(Scribe set to Unknown StellaMitchell)

17:04:08 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone?

17:04:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Sandro, Ivan, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, ChrisW

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Sandro, Ivan, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, ChrisW

17:04:30 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

17:04:30 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

17:04:41 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:04:41 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:04:54 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

17:04:55 <ivan> :-(

Ivan Herman: :-(

17:05:20 <ivan> zakim, drop me

Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me

17:05:20 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected

17:05:21 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

17:05:38 <sandro> zakim, who is here?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here?

17:05:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Sandro, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, ChrisW, ??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Sandro, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, ChrisW, ??P7

17:05:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see christine, Zhe, StellaMitchell, RRSAgent, ChrisW, josb, Zakim, ivan, bmotik, sandro, pfps, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see christine, Zhe, StellaMitchell, RRSAgent, ChrisW, josb, Zakim, ivan, bmotik, sandro, pfps, trackbot

17:05:48 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

17:05:48 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

17:05:50 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

17:05:51 <sandro> zakim, ??P7 is Christine

Sandro Hawke: zakim, ??P7 is Christine

17:05:51 <Zakim> +Christine; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Christine; got it

17:06:19 <sandro> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Dec/0035.html
17:06:37 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

17:07:09 <StellaMitchell> sandro: Goal this meeting is to figure out the tasks and who will do them, but not to dig completely into all the technical details

Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Sandro Hawke: Goal this meeting is to figure out the tasks and who will do them, but not to dig completely into all the technical details

17:08:06 <StellaMitchell> sandro: four topics of coordination, the first is probably simple

Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Sandro Hawke: four topics of coordination, the first is probably simple

17:08:19 <StellaMitchell> ...first item: rdf:text

Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

...first item: rdf:text

17:08:29 <ChrisW> Topic: rdf:text

1. rdf:text

17:08:43 <ChrisW> zakim, list agenda

Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown ChrisW: zakim, list agenda

17:08:43 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda

Zakim IRC Bot: I see nothing on the agenda

17:08:50 <ChrisW> agenda+ rdf:text

Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown ChrisW: agenda+ rdf:text

17:08:53 <StellaMitchell> ...when it was published I said public comments  should go to the public owl list

Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

...when it was published I said public comments should go to the public owl list

17:08:55 <ChrisW> take up item 1

Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown ChrisW: take up item 1

17:09:03 <ChrisW> zakim, take up item 1

Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown ChrisW: zakim, take up item 1

17:09:03 <Zakim> agendum 1. "rdf:text" taken up [from ChrisW]

2. rdf:text

17:09:09 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

17:09:34 <ChrisW> agenda+ RIF OWL&RDF compatibility

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Unknown ChrisW: agenda+ RIF OWL&RDF compatibility

17:09:57 <ChrisW> agenda+ The list of datatypes

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Unknown ChrisW: agenda+ The list of datatypes

17:10:10 <ChrisW> agenda+ OWL RL

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Unknown ChrisW: agenda+ OWL RL

17:10:14 <StellaMitchell> chris:  ask editors of rdf:text if they are willing to be the coordinators of public comments

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Christine Golbreich: ask editors of rdf:text if they are willing to be the coordinators of public comments

17:10:49 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

17:10:57 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

17:10:57 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

17:11:00 <sandro> ack bmotik

Sandro Hawke: ack bmotik

17:11:07 <StellaMitchell> sandro: in terms of last call and dependences, the OWL ? spec depends on this, and some RIF documents will also be dependent also

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Sandro Hawke: in terms of last call and dependences, the OWL ? spec depends on this, and some RIF documents will also be dependent also

17:11:34 <DaveReynolds> q+

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Unknown DaveReynolds: q+

17:11:39 <sandro> ack DaveReynolds

Sandro Hawke: ack DaveReynolds

17:12:20 <StellaMitchell> boris: is it ok to say in the spec that we sppport the rdf:text datatype, and if it changes later that will be ok

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Boris Motik: is it ok to say in the spec that we sppport the rdf:text datatype, and if it changes later that will be ok

17:13:28 <StellaMitchell> ...use it in an opaque way, and so remove the dependency on the document. This applies to other datatype also.

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...use it in an opaque way, and so remove the dependency on the document. This applies to other datatype also.

17:13:33 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

17:14:05 <StellaMitchell> daver:  rdf:text is a different case from other datatypes

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Unknown daver: rdf:text is a different case from other datatypes

17:14:30 <StellaMitchell> boris:  when you say you change rdf:text, you are not chaning the satisfiability of any document

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Boris Motik: when you say you change rdf:text, you are not chaning the satisfiability of any document

17:14:38 <StellaMitchell> daver: yes, it would be an observable change

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Unknown daver: yes, it would be an observable change

17:14:50 <sandro> ack ivan

Sandro Hawke: ack ivan

17:14:51 <StellaMitchell> ....,Andy Seaborne sent an email about this

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....,Andy Seaborne sent an email about this

17:15:26 <StellaMitchell> ivan:  I don't see the problem

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Ivan Herman: I don't see the problem

17:16:03 <StellaMitchell> sandro: Andy's email sent to the public rdf:text list shows the problem

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Sandro Hawke: Andy's email sent to the public rdf:text list shows the problem

17:17:47 <StellaMitchell> sandro: we need to make sure now that rdf:text will be defined in an acceptable way - we can't assume it will happen in the future

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Sandro Hawke: we need to make sure now that rdf:text will be defined in an acceptable way - we can't assume it will happen in the future

17:18:00 <sandro> sandro; we need rdf:text to get to rec before anything that depends on it

Sandro Hawke: sandro; we need rdf:text to get to rec before anything that depends on it

17:18:10 <DaveReynolds> Andy's message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-text/2008OctDec/0032.html

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Unknown DaveReynolds: Andy's message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-text/2008OctDec/0032.html

17:18:25 <sandro>        http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Dec/0046.html

Sandro Hawke: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Dec/0046.html

17:18:29 <StellaMitchell> zakim, next item

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17:18:29 <Zakim> agendum 2. "RIF OWL&RDF compatibility" taken up [from ChrisW]

3. RIF OWL&RDF compatibility

17:18:55 <StellaMitchell> jos: summarizing the above email

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Unknown jos: summarizing the above email

17:21:14 <StellaMitchell> ...I made 5 proposals (labelled P1 through P5) in the email

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...I made 5 proposals (labelled P1 through P5) in the email

17:21:54 <StellaMitchell> sandro: I don't understand the relationship between owl 1 full and owl 2 full

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Sandro Hawke: I don't understand the relationship between owl 1 full and owl 2 full

17:22:25 <StellaMitchell> sandro: I tentatively agree to proposal P1

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Sandro Hawke: I tentatively agree to proposal P1

17:22:51 <StellaMitchell> chris: there was a change to OWL full in OWL2, but do we believe it to be insignificant?

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Christine Golbreich: there was a change to OWL full in OWL2, but do we believe it to be insignificant?

17:23:08 <DaveReynolds> Similarly I see no problem with P1

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Unknown DaveReynolds: Similarly I see no problem with P1

17:23:19 <sandro> sandro: sounds like P1 is fine

Sandro Hawke: sounds like P1 is fine [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:23:26 <StellaMitchell> jos, ivan: yes

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jos, boris: yes

17:23:44 <ivan> s/ivan/boris/
17:24:18 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

17:24:59 <StellaMitchell> jos: summarized P2 and P3

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Unknown jos: summarized P2 and P3

17:25:39 <sandro> sandro: In OWL 2 you can't signal that you're not in OWL 1, so year, P2 and P3 make sense.

Sandro Hawke: In OWL 2 you can't signal that you're not in OWL 1, so year, P2 and P3 make sense. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:25:41 <StellaMitchell> sandro: as I understand, you are not allowed to signal whether you're in OWL 1 and OWL 2

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Sandro Hawke: as I understand, you are not allowed to signal whether you're in OWL 1 and OWL 2

17:25:53 <StellaMitchell> boris: P2 and P3 are ok with me'

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Boris Motik: P2 and P3 are ok with me'

17:26:51 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/SWC#Importing_RDF_and_OWL_in_RIF

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/SWC#Importing_RDF_and_OWL_in_RIF

17:27:46 <StellaMitchell> jos:  explaining IRIs of profiles. reference above.

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Unknown jos: explaining IRIs of profiles. reference above.

17:27:56 <StellaMitchell> sandro: note that these are not like OWL profiles

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Sandro Hawke: note that these are not like OWL profiles

17:28:25 <StellaMitchell> jos: does anyone disagree with P4?

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Unknown jos: does anyone disagree with P4?

17:28:38 <sandro> Jos: drop OWL Dl annotaiton

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Unknown Jos: drop OWL Dl annotaiton [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:28:39 <StellaMitchell> sandro: do we still need the annotation profile?

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Sandro Hawke: do we still need the annotation profile?

17:28:47 <StellaMitchell> jos: no, would drop it.

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Unknown jos: no, would drop it.

17:29:40 <StellaMitchell> sandro: conformance clause for owl says everyone has to implement rdf serializaiton for owl and them may implement the other ones

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Sandro Hawke: conformance clause for owl says everyone has to implement rdf serializaiton for owl and they may implement the other ones

17:29:53 <StellaMitchell> s/them/they/
17:30:19 <sandro> sandro: I think leave it RDF/XML, but maybe add a note about other syntaxes.

Sandro Hawke: I think leave it RDF/XML, but maybe add a note about other syntaxes. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:30:58 <StellaMitchell> jos: I don't have a strong opinion about allowing other syntaxes to be imported

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Unknown jos: I don't have a strong opinion about allowing other syntaxes to be imported

17:31:08 <StellaMitchell> jos: summarizing P5

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Unknown jos: summarizing P5

17:31:53 <sandro> jos: "OWL DLP" would migrate to "OWL 2 RL"

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Unknown jos: "OWL DLP" would migrate to "OWL 2 RL" [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:32:25 <StellaMitchell> boris:  what is meant by a combination?

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Boris Motik: what is meant by a combination?

17:32:28 <DaveReynolds> Agree with P5 too

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Unknown DaveReynolds: Agree with P5 too

17:32:33 <sandro> P5 sounds good...

Sandro Hawke: P5 sounds good...

17:32:55 <StellaMitchell> jos: (explained combination)

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Unknown jos: (explained combination)

17:33:06 <StellaMitchell> chris: why should DLP be dropped?

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Christine Golbreich: why should DLP be dropped?

17:33:25 <StellaMitchell> jos: OWL 2 RL is sort of the same thing

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Unknown jos: OWL 2 RL is sort of the same thing

17:34:27 <StellaMitchell> chris: but is not the same thing, so why should we drop DLP?  Most OWL implementations are currently OWL 1

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Christine Golbreich: but is not the same thing, so why should we drop DLP? Most OWL implementations are currently OWL 1

17:35:50 <StellaMitchell> jos: I made up this DLP, it's not the one you are thinking of that people have implemented

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Unknown jos: I made up this DLP, it's not the one you are thinking of that people have implemented

17:35:54 <sandro> jos: no datatype support in Horrocks et al DLP.   that's one of several differences.

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Unknown jos: no datatype support in Horrocks et al DLP. that's one of several differences. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:36:53 <Zhe> q+

Zhe Wu: q+

17:36:59 <DaveReynolds> +1 with Jos

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Unknown DaveReynolds: +1 with Jos

17:37:04 <ivan> +1 with Jos

Ivan Herman: +1 with Jos

17:37:32 <StellaMitchell> chris: I'm not sure about dropping the DLP section from RIF, RDF and OWL compatibility document, I need to think about it more

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Christine Golbreich: I'm not sure about dropping the DLP section from RIF, RDF and OWL compatibility document, I need to think about it more

17:37:37 <sandro> ack Zakim

Sandro Hawke: ack Zakim

17:37:41 <sandro> ack Zhe

Sandro Hawke: ack Zhe

17:38:35 <StellaMitchell> zhe:  when I started in the OWL WG, we had a DLP but the working group decided to drop it, and then later OWL 2 RL was defined, so I support dropping DLP

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Zhe Wu: when I started in the OWL WG, we had a DLP but the working group decided to drop it, and then later OWL 2 RL was defined, so I support dropping DLP

17:38:49 <StellaMitchell> sandro: we'll investigate before deciding

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Sandro Hawke: we'll investigate before deciding

17:39:18 <sandro> topic:    3.  The list of datatypes (aside from RL)  (10 minutes)

4. 3. The list of datatypes (aside from RL) (10 minutes)

17:39:30 <sandro>        http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/DTB#Symbol_Spaces

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/DTB#Symbol_Spaces

17:39:30 <sandro>        http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Datatype_Maps

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Datatype_Maps

17:39:40 <StellaMitchell> zakim, next item

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zakim, next item

17:39:40 <Zakim> agendum 3. "The list of datatypes" taken up [from ChrisW]

5. The list of datatypes

17:40:20 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

17:40:39 <sandro> ack bmotik

Sandro Hawke: ack bmotik

17:40:46 <StellaMitchell> chris: we should coordinate on the set of datatypes, there is no real rationale for having different sets in RIF and OWL

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Christine Golbreich: we should coordinate on the set of datatypes, there is no real rationale for having different sets in RIF and OWL

17:40:48 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/OWLRL#Datatypes_supported

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Unknown DaveReynolds: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/OWLRL#Datatypes_supported

17:41:30 <StellaMitchell> boris: it's not just the list of types, but we have adapted the semantics of some of the datatypes, e.g. for double

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Boris Motik: it's not just the list of types, but we have adapted the semantics of some of the datatypes, e.g. for double

17:42:35 <StellaMitchell> sandro: from what I understand, the same reasons should apply to RIF, and RIF should use the same definitions

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Sandro Hawke: from what I understand, the same reasons should apply to RIF, and RIF should use the same definitions

17:42:43 <sandro> sandro: It sounds like there's nothing OWL specific here....    so RIF should also use owl:real, etc?

Sandro Hawke: It sounds like there's nothing OWL specific here.... so RIF should also use owl:real, etc? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:42:59 <StellaMitchell> boris: RIF has casts between datatypes, and OWL does not

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Boris Motik: RIF has casts between datatypes, and OWL does not

17:44:32 <sandro> boris: imagine weight has range integer, and then someone gives a value of "70"^^xs:double --- that's inconsistent.

Boris Motik: imagine weight has range integer, and then someone gives a value of "70"^^xs:double --- that's inconsistent. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:44:56 <StellaMitchell> boris: giving example of how casts could results in inconsistency: range of certain property is integer, weight,  someone puts 70.0 as double so

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Boris Motik: giving example of how casts could results in inconsistency: range of certain property is integer, weight, someone puts 70.0 as double so

17:45:00 <sandro> boris: In RIF you can do a cast, which allows you to hack around this situation.

Boris Motik: In RIF you can do a cast, which allows you to hack around this situation. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:45:44 <StellaMitchell> boris: OWL doesn't support any functions

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Boris Motik: OWL doesn't support any functions

17:45:48 <DaveReynolds> q+

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Unknown DaveReynolds: q+

17:46:33 <StellaMitchell> chris: so we could adopt a common set of datatypes, where OWL doesn't include the built-ins and RIF does

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Christine Golbreich: so we could adopt a common set of datatypes, where OWL doesn't include the built-ins and RIF does

17:47:17 <sandro> ack DaveReynolds

Sandro Hawke: ack DaveReynolds

17:47:45 <StellaMitchell> dave: are you saying that owl real isn't separated from the integers?

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Unknown dave: are you saying that owl real isn't separated from the integers?

17:48:06 <sandro> boris explains owl:real and owl:realPlus

Sandro Hawke: boris explains owl:real and owl:realPlus

17:48:08 <StellaMitchell> boris: owl real is the umbrella for all the numeric datatypes

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Boris Motik: owl real is the umbrella for all the numeric datatypes

17:49:07 <StellaMitchell> chris: I'm trying to understand if there needs to be an actual difference in the set of datatypes

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Christine Golbreich: I'm trying to understand if there needs to be an actual difference in the set of datatypes

17:49:24 <StellaMitchell> ...such that we can share datatypes and RIF supports built-ins while OWL doesn't

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...such that we can share datatypes and RIF supports built-ins while OWL doesn't

17:49:44 <DaveReynolds> dave: don't understand how "1.1"^^owl:real can be both a double and decimal, they are different

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Unknown dave: don't understand how "1.1"^^owl:real can be both a double and decimal, they are different [ Scribe Assist by Unknown DaveReynolds ]

17:50:12 <StellaMitchell> boris: with our datatype definitions, we are trying to be more user friendly

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Boris Motik: with our datatype definitions, we are trying to be more user friendly

17:50:30 <StellaMitchell> chris: so, owl:real is a superclass?

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Christine Golbreich: so, owl:real is a superclass?

17:50:32 <StellaMitchell> boris: yes

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Boris Motik: yes

17:51:08 <StellaMitchell> chris: ok, so there is a difference in some of the datatype definitions

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Christine Golbreich: ok, so there is a difference in some of the datatype definitions

17:51:54 <StellaMitchell> chris: owl approach breaks xml schema compatibility

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Christine Golbreich: owl approach breaks xml schema compatibility

17:52:38 <StellaMitchell> boris: we did talk to xml schema people and they weren't averse to this, and supported it

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Boris Motik: we did talk to xml schema people and they weren't averse to this, and supported it

17:52:46 <Zhe> sure

Zhe Wu: sure

17:53:00 <sandro> meeting extended until 20 after the hour.

Sandro Hawke: meeting extended until 20 after the hour.

17:53:16 <Zakim> -Ivan

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17:53:16 <StellaMitchell> chris: so that feedback from xml schema group may help address the concerns of the production rule concerns in RIF

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Christine Golbreich: so that feedback from xml schema group may help address the concerns of the production rule concerns in RIF

17:53:39 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?

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Unknown ChrisW: zakim, who is on the phone?

17:53:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik, Sandro, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, ChrisW, Christine, DaveReynolds

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17:54:42 <StellaMitchell> jos: these issues with value spaces are subtle and I would be ok with changing to the way OWL is doing it, but I think the long list of datatypes is a problem

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Unknown jos: these issues with value spaces are subtle and I would be ok with changing to the way OWL is doing it, but I think the long list of datatypes is a problem

17:55:21 <StellaMitchell> dave: owl:real sounds like a problem to me. people use decimal and double for specific reasons

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Unknown dave: owl:real sounds like a problem to me. people use decimal and double for specific reasons

17:55:37 <josb> q+

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Unknown josb: q+

17:55:56 <StellaMitchell> dave: when you express something you need to know what it is

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Unknown dave: when you express something you need to know what it is

17:56:14 <StellaMitchell> boris: you do always know what it is

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Boris Motik: you do always know what it is

17:57:25 <StellaMitchell> ...small problem might be when you say the range must be an integer and then put a double constant there that is actually an integer

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...small problem might be when you say the range must be an integer and then put a double constant there that is actually an integer

17:57:33 <sandro> boris: The only question is when you do class reasoning on types....

Boris Motik: The only question is when you do class reasoning on types.... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:57:50 <StellaMitchell> ...in owl, we say you have not violated the range constraint in that case

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...in owl, we say you have not violated the range constraint in that case

17:57:59 <sandro> sandro: in RIF this comes up with is-this-an-integer applied to "70"^^xs:float or "70"^^xs:decimal.

Sandro Hawke: in RIF this comes up with is-this-an-integer applied to "70"^^xs:float or "70"^^xs:decimal. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:58:31 <StellaMitchell> sandro: RIF needs a test case about this, to get feeback from the WG

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Sandro Hawke: RIF needs a test case about this, to get feeback from the WG

17:58:59 <StellaMitchell> jos: what sandro wrote above, in OWL would you interpret those as different objects?

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Unknown jos: what sandro wrote above, in OWL would you interpret those as different objects?

17:59:12 <StellaMitchell> boris: no, we interpret them all as the integer 70

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Boris Motik: no, we interpret them all as the integer 70

17:59:52 <StellaMitchell> ...but 0.1 double is not the same as 0.1 decimal, because 0.1 double gets rounded

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...but 0.1 double is not the same as 0.1 decimal, because 0.1 double gets rounded

18:00:07 <sandro> boris: "0.1"^^xs:float is NOT the same as "0.1"^^xs:decimal, because of rounding in the internal representation.   We don't lose any precision.

Boris Motik: "0.1"^^xs:float is NOT the same as "0.1"^^xs:decimal, because of rounding in the internal representation. We don't lose any precision. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:00:47 <sandro> boris  "70"^^xs:float and  "70"^^xs:decimal are IDENTICAL in OWL -- they are both the number 70.

Sandro Hawke: boris "70"^^xs:float and "70"^^xs:decimal are IDENTICAL in OWL -- they are both the number 70.

18:01:40 <StellaMitchell> boris: xml schema defines equality differently from identity

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Boris Motik: xml schema defines equality differently from identity

18:02:26 <StellaMitchell> dave: if you put in value that is larger than the mantissa for xs:float, what happens?

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Unknown dave: if you put in value that is larger than the mantissa for xs:float, what happens?

18:03:07 <StellaMitchell> boris:  it would follow the mapping giving in xml schema, I don't know what it is off the top of my head

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Boris Motik: it would follow the mapping giving in xml schema, I don't know what it is off the top of my head

18:04:34 <ChrisW> is 100000000000045 (assuming that is beyond the range of float) a *float*

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Unknown ChrisW: is 100000000000045 (assuming that is beyond the range of float) a *float*

18:04:47 <sandro> boris: This gets messy, comparing doubles with integers, etc, but we did manage to implement this in Hermit.

Boris Motik: This gets messy, comparing doubles with integers, etc, but we did manage to implement this in Hermit. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:06:03 <StellaMitchell> chris:  question - is the number above considered a float?

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Christine Golbreich: question - is the number above considered a float?

18:06:11 <DaveReynolds> The test case is whether "100000000000045 "^^xsd:float = "100000000000045"^^xsd:integer, the answer should be no.

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Unknown DaveReynolds: The test case is whether "100000000000045 "^^xsd:float = "100000000000045"^^xsd:integer, the answer should be no.

18:06:28 <StellaMitchell> boris: yes, it is.  but it might get rounded into another float

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Boris Motik: yes, it is. but it might get rounded into another float

18:06:45 <Zhe> or "1.0000000000000001"^^float = "1"^^integer, answer is yes

Zhe Wu: or "1.0000000000000001"^^float = "1"^^integer, answer is yes

18:07:20 <sandro> topic:    4.  OWL RL (20 minutes)

6. 4. OWL RL (20 minutes)

18:08:33 <StellaMitchell> sandro: summarize items from agenda

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Sandro Hawke: summarize items from agenda

18:08:41 <sandro>        -- aligning the list of datatypes

Sandro Hawke: -- aligning the list of datatypes

18:08:41 <sandro>        -- providing the rules as a RIF Core document

Sandro Hawke: -- providing the rules as a RIF Core document

18:08:41 <sandro>        -- any issues with the ruleset itself

Sandro Hawke: -- any issues with the ruleset itself

18:08:41 <sandro>        -- rules/code to check the ontology

Sandro Hawke: -- rules/code to check the ontology

18:09:37 <StellaMitchell> sandro: first item:  since datatypes don't align, we couldn't express OWL RL in RIF

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Unknown dave: first item: since datatypes don't align, we couldn't express OWL RL in RIF

18:09:59 <StellaMitchell> s/sandro:/dave:/
18:10:18 <sandro> DaveReynolds: it would be ideal if the OWL-RL datatypes were the intersection of OWL and RIF-Core datatypes.

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Unknown DaveReynolds: it would be ideal if the OWL-RL datatypes were the intersection of OWL and RIF-Core datatypes. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:11:03 <StellaMitchell> sandro: it will be easier to reduce the list of datatypes in OWL-RL than in the other OWL profiles

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Sandro Hawke: it will be easier to reduce the list of datatypes in OWL-RL than in the other OWL profiles

18:12:11 <StellaMitchell> sandro: customers would want RIF and OWL to be aligned

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Sandro Hawke: customers would want RIF and OWL to be aligned

18:12:20 <StellaMitchell> dave: normalized strings

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Unknown dave: normalized strings

18:12:26 <josb> q+

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Unknown josb: q+

18:12:34 <sandro> ack josb

Sandro Hawke: ack josb

18:13:00 <StellaMitchell> jos: why in OWL-RL can you not allow datatypes with finite value spaces

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Unknown jos: why in OWL-RL can you not allow datatypes with finite value spaces

18:13:22 <StellaMitchell> boris:  (missed answer)

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Boris Motik: (missed answer)

18:14:00 <StellaMitchell> ...maybe in OWL-RL that restriction is not necessary

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...maybe in OWL-RL that restriction is not necessary

18:14:10 <StellaMitchell> ...we do in EL and QL

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...we do in EL and QL

18:14:13 <sandro> boris: Ah, the finiteness restriction on OWL-RL might not be necessary.

Boris Motik: Ah, the finiteness restriction on OWL-RL might not be necessary. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:15:22 <StellaMitchell> sandro: Dave, are you willing to see if we can get these extra datatypes added to RIF Core?

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Sandro Hawke: Dave, are you willing to see if we can get these extra datatypes added to RIF Core?

18:15:49 <StellaMitchell> dave:  I think it will be mostly up to Axel - I see no value in having things like ncname

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Unknown dave: I think it will be mostly up to Axel - I see no value in having things like ncname

18:16:14 <StellaMitchell> boris: we kept it for consistency, so we didn't have to explain why we excluded it

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Boris Motik: we kept it for consistency, so we didn't have to explain why we excluded it

18:16:32 <StellaMitchell> dave: RIF took opposite approach: each inclusion had to be justified

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Unknown dave: RIF took opposite approach: each inclusion had to be justified

18:19:16 <StellaMitchell> jos: owl:rational would be something completely new for RIF

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Unknown jos: owl:rational would be something completely new for RIF

18:19:52 <sandro> sandro: lets have RIF look at the RL datatype list and push back where necessary.

Sandro Hawke: lets have RIF look at the RL datatype list and push back where necessary. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:19:56 <StellaMitchell> sandro: RIF needs to look at list of OWL datatypes and see which ones can go in RIF core and then ask OWL to remove the other ones

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Sandro Hawke: RIF needs to look at list of OWL datatypes and see which ones can go in RIF core and then ask OWL to remove the other ones

18:20:16 <StellaMitchell> chris: does OWL 2 support all the RIF datatypes?

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Christine Golbreich: does OWL 2 support all the RIF datatypes?

18:20:47 <StellaMitchell> boris: there are 2 xquery, duration related ones that we don't support

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Boris Motik: there are 2 xquery, duration related ones that we don't support

18:21:58 <sandro> DaveReynolds: I'm fine with my document being folded into Jos'

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Unknown DaveReynolds: I'm fine with my document being folded into Jos' [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:22:10 <StellaMitchell> sandro:  We need to decide what to do with the "OWL 2 RL in RIF" document

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Sandro Hawke: We need to decide what to do with the "OWL 2 RL in RIF" document

18:22:22 <josb> q+

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18:23:12 <StellaMitchell> chris: in Dave's document there is the RIF core rule implementation of OWL 2 RL and there is a lot of background information. How about just taking the RIF Core implementation and making that the OWL RL profile?

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Christine Golbreich: in Dave's document there is the RIF core rule implementation of OWL 2 RL and there is a lot of background information. How about just taking the RIF Core implementation and making that the OWL RL profile?

18:23:45 <sandro> bmotik: We're perfectly aware that a naive implementation of the OWL RL rules will have poor performance.  But we wanted the semantics to be very clear.

Boris Motik: We're perfectly aware that a naive implementation of the OWL RL rules will have poor performance. But we wanted the semantics to be very clear. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:24:16 <sandro> bmotik: eg quadratic number of literals, but you'd need builtins and NAF, etc.

Boris Motik: eg quadratic number of literals, but you'd need builtins and NAF, etc. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:24:25 <sandro> bmotik: and we didnt want to go there.

Boris Motik: and we didnt want to go there. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:25:05 <StellaMitchell> chris: I don't understand your point. I'm suggesting you express the ruleset in RIF Core syntax.

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Christine Golbreich: I don't understand your point. I'm suggesting you express the ruleset in RIF Core syntax.

18:25:18 <sandro> chrisw: How about using RIF Core Presentation Syntax to express the OWL-RL rules?

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Unknown chrisw: How about using RIF Core Presentation Syntax to express the OWL-RL rules? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:25:24 <StellaMitchell> boris: ok, I understand the question. I'm not sure right now, have to consult with others.

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Boris Motik: ok, I understand the question. I'm not sure right now, have to consult with others.

18:25:25 <Zhe> q+

Zhe Wu: q+

18:26:35 <StellaMitchell> chris: I think if we solve the datatype issues, then I think it would just be a small change to the syntax

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Christine Golbreich: I think if we solve the datatype issues, then I think it would just be a small change to the syntax

18:27:38 <sandro> ack josb

Sandro Hawke: ack josb

18:27:59 <StellaMitchell> dave:  owl uses ellipsis, makes it easier to read, less explicity about what to implement

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Unknown dave: owl uses ellipsis, makes it easier to read, less explicity about what to implement

18:28:41 <sandro> jos: my embedding stuff does not operate on T(s,p,o) but on translation to RIF.   very different.

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Unknown jos: my embedding stuff does not operate on T(s,p,o) but on translation to RIF. very different. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:28:50 <sandro> ack Zhe

Sandro Hawke: ack Zhe

18:29:35 <sandro> Zhe: I don't want to take out the RDF-oriented rule in the OWL-RL spec, but I like adding RIF stuff.

Zhe Wu: I don't want to take out the RDF-oriented rule in the OWL-RL spec, but I like adding RIF stuff. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:30:29 <StellaMitchell> boris: my personal opinion is that changing the actual ruleset  would be painful for OWL

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Boris Motik: my personal opinion is that changing the actual ruleset would be painful for OWL

18:30:40 <StellaMitchell> ...and require extensive negotiations

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...and require extensive negotiations

18:30:48 <StellaMitchell> ...but changing syntax may be ok

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...but changing syntax may be ok

18:31:02 <ChrisW> "Life IS pain, princess.  Anyone who says otherwise is selling something" - Princess Bride

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Unknown ChrisW: "Life IS pain, princess. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something" - Princess Bride

18:31:14 <DaveReynolds> :-)

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Unknown DaveReynolds: :-)

18:31:39 <Zhe> thanks

Zhe Wu: thanks

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18:31:48 <Zakim> -bmotik

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18:31:49 <Zakim> -StellaMitchell

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18:31:50 <christine> bye

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18:31:51 <Zakim> -ChrisW

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18:31:51 <Zakim> -Sandro

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18:31:53 <Zakim> -josb

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18:31:57 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes

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Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown ChrisW: rrsagent, make minutes

18:31:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/11-owl-minutes.html ChrisW

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/11-owl-minutes.html ChrisW

18:31:58 <Zakim> -Christine

Zakim IRC Bot: -Christine

18:31:59 <Zakim> Team_(owl)17:00Z has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(owl)17:00Z has ended

18:31:59 <sandro> StellaMitchell, thanks so much for scribing.

Sandro Hawke: StellaMitchell, thanks so much for scribing.

18:32:00 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, bmotik, Ivan, +039047101aaaa, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, +1.845.227.aabb, ChrisW, Christine, DaveReynolds

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Sandro, bmotik, Ivan, +039047101aaaa, josb, Zhe, StellaMitchell, +1.845.227.aabb, ChrisW, Christine, DaveReynolds

18:32:16 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make logs public

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Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown ChrisW: rrsagent, make logs public

18:32:17 <StellaMitchell> you're welcome

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Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

you're welcome

18:32:25 <ChrisW> +1 thanks

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Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown ChrisW: +1 thanks

18:32:30 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes

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Scribe problem: the name 'ChrisW' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown ChrisW: rrsagent, make minutes

18:32:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/11-owl-minutes.html ChrisW

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/11-owl-minutes.html ChrisW

18:33:19 <StellaMitchell> thanks, I have the minutes

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Scribe problem: the name 'StellaMitchell' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

thanks, I have the minutes



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