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00:00:00 <scribenick> PRESENT: bijan, Achille, Sandro, bmotik, Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu, baojie, MarkusK, msmith, Zhe, uli, JeffP, Michael Schneider, bcuencagrau, dlm
Scribe problem: the name 'clu' does not match any of the 54 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu
00:00:00 <scribenick> REGRETS: Elisa Kendall, Evan Wallace, Rinke Hoekstra
00:00:00 <scribenick> CHAIR: Sandro Hawke
17:47:58 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc ←
17:48:04 <sandro> RRSAgent, make log public
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make log public ←
17:52:51 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started ←
17:52:58 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
17:53:03 <bijan> zakim, ??p5 is me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??p5 is me ←
17:53:03 <Zakim> +bijan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it ←
17:56:31 <Zakim> + +1.914.421.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.914.421.aaaa ←
17:56:54 <Achille> Zakim, + +1.914.421.aaaa is me
Achille Fokoue: Zakim, + +1.914.421.aaaa is me ←
17:56:54 <Zakim> I don't understand '+ +1.914.421.aaaa is me', Achille
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '+ +1.914.421.aaaa is me', Achille ←
17:57:17 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:57:17 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:57:19 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is Achille
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaaa is Achille ←
17:57:20 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it ←
17:57:26 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
18:00:19 <pfps> Scribe pfps
Peter Patel-Schneider: Scribe pfps ←
18:00:28 <Zakim> + +0494212186aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0494212186aabb ←
18:00:34 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aacc ←
18:00:35 <clu> zakim, aabb is me
Unknown clu: zakim, aabb is me ←
18:00:36 <Zakim> +clu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +clu; got it ←
18:00:41 <clu> zakim, mute me
Unknown clu: zakim, mute me ←
18:00:41 <Zakim> clu should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: clu should now be muted ←
18:00:43 <baojie> Zakim, aacc is baojie
Jie Bao: Zakim, aacc is baojie ←
18:00:43 <Zakim> +baojie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie; got it ←
18:00:46 <Zakim> -??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P7 ←
18:01:13 <pfps> ScribeNick: pfps
(Scribe set to Peter Patel-Schneider)
18:01:15 <sandro> Christine calls in to give regrets, as there is suddenly no electricity where she is.
Sandro Hawke: Christine calls in to give regrets, as there is suddenly no electricity where she is. ←
18:01:23 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
18:01:26 <pfps> RRSAgent, make records public
RRSAgent, make records public ←
18:01:35 <sandro> she asks us to postpone discussion of the UFD.
Sandro Hawke: she asks us to postpone discussion of the UFD. ←
18:01:36 <pfps> Zakim, this will be owlwg
Zakim, this will be owlwg ←
18:01:36 <Zakim> ok, pfps; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start now
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pfps; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start now ←
18:03:18 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
18:03:18 <Zakim> I notice SW_OWL()1:00PM has restarted
Zakim IRC Bot: I notice SW_OWL()1:00PM has restarted ←
18:03:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, +1.202.408.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, +1.202.408.aadd ←
18:03:41 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aaee ←
18:03:52 <Zhe> zakim, +1.603.897.aaee is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.603.897.aaee is me ←
18:03:52 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it ←
18:03:58 <Zhe> zakim, mute me
18:04:01 <Zakim> Zhe should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should now be muted ←
18:04:07 <pfps> topic: agenda amendments
18:04:16 <sandro> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (3 December)
PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (3 December) ←
18:04:22 <pfps> pfps: the minutes looked OK to me
Peter Patel-Schneider: the minutes looked OK to me ←
18:04:39 <sandro> RESOLVED Accept Previous Minutes (3 December)
Sandro Hawke: RESOLVED Accept Previous Minutes (3 December) ←
18:04:46 <pfps> topic: Action Item Status
18:04:53 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
18:04:59 <uli> zakim, ??P11 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P11 is me ←
18:05:11 <sandro> action-251?
18:05:00 <bmotik> That has been done
Boris Motik: That has been done ←
18:05:04 <sandro> action-251 done
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-251 done ←
18:05:03 <Zakim> +uli; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it ←
18:05:05 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:05:10 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:05:11 <trackbot> ACTION-251 -- Boris Motik to update the spec to include rdf:XMLLiteral and fix the annotations as proposed -- due 2008-11-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-251 -- Boris Motik to update the spec to include rdf:XMLLiteral and fix the annotations as proposed -- due 2008-11-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW ←
18:05:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/251
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/251 ←
18:05:30 <uli> zkim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zkim, mute me ←
18:05:33 <pfps> pfps: I think that that one was done quite some time ago
Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that that one was done quite some time ago ←
18:05:35 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
18:05:35 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
18:05:43 <sandro> action-251 closed
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-251 closed ←
18:05:43 <trackbot> ACTION-251 Update the spec to include rdf:XMLLiteral and fix the annotations as proposed closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-251 Update the spec to include rdf:XMLLiteral and fix the annotations as proposed closed ←
18:05:45 <pfps> sandro: any feedback needed
Sandro Hawke: any feedback needed ←
18:05:48 <pfps> boris: nope
Boris Motik: nope ←
18:05:50 <Zakim> + +0122427aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0122427aaff ←
18:05:11 <sandro> action-254?
18:05:54 <sandro> action-254 closed
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-254 closed ←
18:05:54 <trackbot> ACTION-254 Create missing grammars in the documents closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-254 Create missing grammars in the documents closed ←
18:05:57 <JeffP> zakim, aaff is me
18:05:57 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeffP; got it ←
18:05:11 <sandro> action-256?
18:06:06 <sandro> action-256 closed
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-256 closed ←
18:06:06 <trackbot> ACTION-256 Set up telecon time poll for rif/owl joint coordination one-time meeting closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-256 Set up telecon time poll for rif/owl joint coordination one-time meeting closed ←
18:06:09 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
18:06:19 <schneid> zakim, ??P14 is me
Michael Schneider: zakim, ??P14 is me ←
18:06:19 <Zakim> +schneid; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +schneid; got it ←
18:06:22 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:06:22 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
18:06:23 <bijan> Do we need to discuss it?
Bijan Parsia: Do we need to discuss it? ←
18:06:52 <pfps> pfps: RIF meeting discussion is later in the agenda
Peter Patel-Schneider: RIF meeting discussion is later in the agenda ←
18:07:12 <sandro> action-257?
18:06:56 <sandro> action-257 closed
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-257 closed ←
18:06:56 <trackbot> ACTION-257 Set up WBS poll for F2F times closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-257 Set up WBS poll for F2F times closed ←
18:07:12 <sandro> action-252?
18:07:12 <trackbot> ACTION-252 -- Peter Patel-Schneider to checking progress of XML Schema 1.1 and datetime datatype -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-252 -- Peter Patel-Schneider to checking progress of XML Schema 1.1 and datetime datatype -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN ←
18:07:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/252
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/252 ←
18:07:32 <pfps> pfps: I'm waiting for XML Schema WG to get back to us
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm waiting for XML Schema WG to get back to us ←
18:07:41 <pfps> sandro: Any particular deadline
Sandro Hawke: Any particular deadline ←
18:07:56 <pfps> pfps: The sooner the better, but we need it before end of Last Call
Peter Patel-Schneider: The sooner the better, but we need it before end of Last Call ←
18:07:56 <sandro> action-250?
18:07:56 <trackbot> ACTION-250 -- Sandro Hawke to send mime-type registrations in to IETF when we do last-call publications -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-250 -- Sandro Hawke to send mime-type registrations in to IETF when we do last-call publications -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN ←
18:07:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/250
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/250 ←
18:08:17 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Round_4#Publicity
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Round_4#Publicity ←
18:08:36 <pfps> Topic: announcing last call
18:08:43 <pfps> sandro: some work has been done
Sandro Hawke: some work has been done ←
18:08:53 <bijan> http://clarkparsia.com/weblog/2008/12/03/owl-2-last-call-documents-published/
Bijan Parsia: http://clarkparsia.com/weblog/2008/12/03/owl-2-last-call-documents-published/ ←
18:08:57 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
18:08:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik, Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe (muted), uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik, Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe (muted), uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted) ←
18:08:59 <pfps> sandro: do some announcement (and add to wiki page)
Sandro Hawke: do some announcement (and add to wiki page) ←
18:09:26 <pfps> sandro: going around the "room"
Sandro Hawke: going around the "room" ←
18:09:30 <Zhe> zakim, unmute me
18:09:30 <Zakim> Zhe should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should no longer be muted ←
18:09:32 <pfps> sandro: bijan?
Sandro Hawke: bijan? ←
18:09:34 <bijan> I'm harrasing people
Bijan Parsia: I'm harrasing people ←
18:09:36 <uli> I checked and compared my 'candidates', but Ian had already done them
Uli Sattler: I checked and compared my 'candidates', but Ian had already done them ←
18:09:44 <Zakim> +??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15 ←
18:09:45 <MarkusK_> I have put a small notice at semanticweb.org
Markus Krötzsch: I have put a small notice at semanticweb.org ←
18:09:47 <pfps> sandro: achille?
Sandro Hawke: achille? ←
18:09:48 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P15 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P15 is me ←
18:09:48 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it ←
18:09:54 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me ←
18:09:54 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted ←
18:09:57 <pfps> pfps: same as uli
Peter Patel-Schneider: same as uli ←
18:10:00 <Achille> i prefer typing
Achille Fokoue: i prefer typing ←
18:10:08 <Achille> my baby is unhappy
Achille Fokoue: my baby is unhappy ←
18:10:15 <MarkusK_> s /semanticweb.org/the main page of semanticweb.org/
Markus Krötzsch: s /semanticweb.org/the main page of semanticweb.org/ ←
18:10:19 <bijan> HCLS list?
Bijan Parsia: HCLS list? ←
18:10:28 <bijan> Yes :(
Bijan Parsia: Yes :( ←
18:10:30 <pfps> sandro: I owe a blog post about this
Sandro Hawke: I owe a blog post about this ←
18:10:38 <Achille> I'll send note in ibm internal mailing lists
Achille Fokoue: I'll send note in ibm internal mailing lists ←
18:10:46 <pfps> sandro: bijan - please put up on HCLS
Sandro Hawke: bijan - please put up on HCLS ←
18:11:05 <bijan> Oh, we'll be doing internal review here
Bijan Parsia: Oh, we'll be doing internal review here ←
18:11:06 <pfps> pfps: same as uli - my suspects have been handled
Peter Patel-Schneider: same as uli - my suspects have been handled ←
18:11:07 <Achille> and in a talk i will give at Bolzen-Bolzano free university next week
Achille Fokoue: and in a talk i will give at Bolzen-Bolzano free university next week ←
18:11:22 <bijan> I.e., having people inside manchester review all the documents carefully
Bijan Parsia: I.e., having people inside manchester review all the documents carefully ←
18:11:27 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:11:27 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:11:28 <pfps> sandro: please publicize
Sandro Hawke: please publicize ←
18:11:29 <Zhe> I have sent the notice to Oracle's internal list
Zhe Wu: I have sent the notice to Oracle's internal list ←
18:11:38 <pfps> topic: F2F5
18:11:56 <pfps> sandro: no decision today (no Alan, no Ian)
Sandro Hawke: no decision today (no Alan, no Ian) ←
18:12:09 <pfps> sandro: does anyone want to answer the poll?
Sandro Hawke: does anyone want to answer the poll? ←
18:12:16 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/41712/f2f5date/results
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/41712/f2f5date/results ←
18:12:52 <pfps> sandro: results are close - lead is Mar 3-4
Sandro Hawke: results are close - lead is Mar 3-4 ←
18:13:00 <pfps> sandro: probably chairs will decide
Sandro Hawke: probably chairs will decide ←
18:13:05 <pfps> topic: LC comments
18:13:11 <pfps> sandro: none yet
Sandro Hawke: none yet ←
18:13:21 <pfps> sandro: Ian has a page for coordination
Sandro Hawke: Ian has a page for coordination ←
18:13:43 <pfps> sandro: if there are not too many comments we'll just use this wiki page
Sandro Hawke: if there are not too many comments we'll just use this wiki page ←
18:13:48 <msmith> q+
Michael Smith: q+ ←
18:13:48 <pfps> topic: test cases
18:13:54 <MarkusK_> q+
Markus Krötzsch: q+ ←
18:14:04 <msmith> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Test_Queue
Michael Smith: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Test_Queue ←
18:14:18 <pfps> msmith: there are some test cases in proper format
Michael Smith: there are some test cases in proper format ←
18:14:41 <pfps> msmith: email asking for people to check them out was just sent
Michael Smith: email asking for people to check them out was just sent ←
18:14:50 <pfps> msmith: could be approved next week
Michael Smith: could be approved next week ←
18:15:01 <MarkusK_> q+ to report on test case licensing issues
Markus Krötzsch: q+ to report on test case licensing issues ←
18:15:14 <pfps> msmith: results for Pellet and Hermit are included
Michael Smith: results for Pellet and Hermit are included ←
18:15:29 <pfps> sandro: plan for gathering test results where others drive?
Sandro Hawke: plan for gathering test results where others drive? ←
18:15:41 <pfps> msmith: still needs to be ironed out
Michael Smith: still needs to be ironed out ←
18:16:00 <pfps> msmith: oracle has some suggestions
Michael Smith: oracle has some suggestions ←
18:16:16 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aagg ←
18:16:27 <sandro> ack MarkusK_
Sandro Hawke: ack MarkusK_ ←
18:16:27 <Zakim> MarkusK_, you wanted to report on test case licensing issues
Zakim IRC Bot: MarkusK_, you wanted to report on test case licensing issues ←
18:16:31 <pfps> sandro: Webont had a way of incorporating external results
Sandro Hawke: Webont had a way of incorporating external results ←
18:16:35 <sandro> ack msmith
Sandro Hawke: ack msmith ←
18:17:24 <pfps> markus: only issue is that publicly contributed test cases need a release to agree to W3C licensing stuff
Markus Krötzsch: only issue is that publicly contributed test cases need a release to agree to W3C licensing stuff ←
18:17:36 <pfps> sandro: location of test repository?
Sandro Hawke: location of test repository? ←
18:17:53 <pfps> markus: not determined yet, but any place is OK (in W3C space)
Markus Krötzsch: not determined yet, but any place is OK (in W3C space) ←
18:18:03 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/test
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/test ←
18:18:14 <pfps> sandro: what about the above spot?
Sandro Hawke: what about the above spot? ←
18:18:20 <pfps> markus: looks OK
Markus Krötzsch: looks OK ←
18:18:41 <msmith> sounds good
Michael Smith: sounds good ←
18:18:42 <pfps> sandro: we can use CVS for upload
Sandro Hawke: we can use CVS for upload ←
18:18:49 <bijan> What's the license on the suite?
Bijan Parsia: What's the license on the suite? ←
18:18:57 <bijan> Can one create derived works?
Bijan Parsia: Can one create derived works? ←
18:19:19 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/Project/CVSdoc/
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/Project/CVSdoc/ ←
18:19:31 <MarkusK_> q+ to answer bijan
Markus Krötzsch: q+ to answer bijan ←
18:19:32 <pfps> sandro: documentation at above link
Sandro Hawke: documentation at above link ←
18:19:51 <pfps> sandro: I need an SSH public key to set up access
Sandro Hawke: I need an SSH public key to set up access ←
18:19:56 <msmith> yes, I will email you an ssh key
Michael Smith: yes, I will email you an ssh key ←
18:20:08 <pfps> sandro: Markus and Mike to send PK
Sandro Hawke: Markus and Mike to send PK ←
18:20:10 <sandro> ack MarkusK_
Sandro Hawke: ack MarkusK_ ←
18:20:10 <Zakim> MarkusK_, you wanted to answer bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: MarkusK_, you wanted to answer bijan ←
18:20:29 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:20:29 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:20:31 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:20:40 <pfps> markus: derived works are allowed for tests, we'll use a creative commons license
Markus Krötzsch: derived works are allowed for tests, we'll use a creative commons license ←
18:20:52 <MarkusK_> http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases.html
Markus Krötzsch: http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases.html ←
18:21:02 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
18:21:04 <pfps> markus: W3C will control entire test suite
Markus Krötzsch: W3C will control entire test suite ←
18:21:22 <pfps> bijan: OK, I was worried about the W3C document liclense, which would not have been suitable
Bijan Parsia: OK, I was worried about the W3C document liclense, which would not have been suitable ←
18:21:32 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:21:32 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:21:32 <MarkusK_> My current draft license conditions are: http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/projects/owltests/index.php/OWL_Test_Cases:Copyrights
Markus Krötzsch: My current draft license conditions are: http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/projects/owltests/index.php/OWL_Test_Cases:Copyrights ←
18:21:41 <pfps> bijan: I want to use the test suite and modify it for other purposes
Bijan Parsia: I want to use the test suite and modify it for other purposes ←
18:22:23 <bijan> a 3-clause BSD License for software development, bugtracking, and other applications that do not require assertions of performance to the public or implied claims of conformance to a W3C Specification. See summary of 3-clause BSD License.
Bijan Parsia: a 3-clause BSD License for software development, bugtracking, and other applications that do not require assertions of performance to the public or implied claims of conformance to a W3C Specification. See summary of 3-clause BSD License. ←
18:22:23 <bijan> a W3C Test Suite License for an Authoritative W3C Test Suite or when claims of performance with respect to a specification are required. See summary of W3C Test Suite License.
Bijan Parsia: a W3C Test Suite License for an Authoritative W3C Test Suite or when claims of performance with respect to a specification are required. See summary of W3C Test Suite License. ←
18:21:54 <pfps> topic: Plans for non-LC documents
18:22:26 <pfps> sandro: hard to make decision on REC-track today because no chairs
Sandro Hawke: hard to make decision on REC-track today because no chairs ←
18:22:35 <pfps> sandro: status checks
Sandro Hawke: status checks ←
18:22:42 <pfps> sandro: QRG?
Sandro Hawke: QRG? ←
18:23:06 <pfps> dlm: there are some things that still need to be done, and they will be done
Deborah McGuinness: there are some things that still need to be done, and they will be done ←
18:23:08 <baojie> To do list:
18:23:08 <baojie> * Create inline hyperlinks to Syntax
Jie Bao: * Create inline hyperlinks to Syntax ←
18:23:08 <baojie> * Create hyperlinks to Direct Semantics and RDF-Based Semantics once the anchors in those documents are ready
Jie Bao: * Create hyperlinks to Direct Semantics and RDF-Based Semantics once the anchors in those documents are ready ←
18:23:08 <baojie> * Complete inline hyperlinks to Primer when the missing ones are ready
Jie Bao: * Complete inline hyperlinks to Primer when the missing ones are ready ←
18:23:08 <baojie> * Create inline hyperlinks to New Features and Rationale
Jie Bao: * Create inline hyperlinks to New Features and Rationale ←
18:23:09 <baojie> * Make a new 2-page print version.
Jie Bao: * Make a new 2-page print version. ←
18:23:11 <baojie> * Design a similar guide for profiles with 1 page print version.
Jie Bao: * Design a similar guide for profiles with 1 page print version. ←
18:23:20 <pfps> dlm: need tags in other documents
Deborah McGuinness: need tags in other documents ←
18:23:28 <pfps> sandro: go ahead and add tags
Sandro Hawke: go ahead and add tags ←
18:23:37 <bijan> We might derive tags from heading
Bijan Parsia: We might derive tags from heading ←
18:23:39 <pfps> pfps: need to make *sure* no duplicates!
Peter Patel-Schneider: need to make *sure* no duplicates! ←
18:23:42 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:23:52 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:23:52 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:23:54 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
18:24:03 <pfps> pfps: can use W3C tools to check for dups
Peter Patel-Schneider: can use W3C tools to check for dups ←
18:24:14 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
18:24:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan, Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe, uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan, Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe, uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted), ←
18:24:17 <Zakim> ... bcuencagrau (muted), +1.518.276.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: ... bcuencagrau (muted), +1.518.276.aagg ←
18:24:23 <pfps> bijan: can this be done automatically?
Bijan Parsia: can this be done automatically? ←
18:24:46 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:24:51 <pfps> baojie: most links are there at least in Syntax and Primer(?)
Jie Bao: most links are there at least in Syntax and Primer(?) ←
18:24:58 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:24:58 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:24:58 <sandro> ack bmotik
Sandro Hawke: ack bmotik ←
18:25:01 <pfps> baojie: Semantics and RDF-Based Semantics need more tags
Jie Bao: Semantics and RDF-Based Semantics need more tags ←
18:25:36 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:25:36 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:25:38 <pfps> bmotik: QRG doesn't reflect last set of changes (annotations)
Boris Motik: QRG doesn't reflect last set of changes (annotations) ←
18:25:43 <sandro> bmotik: annotation assertions don't seem to have made it into QRG
Boris Motik: annotation assertions don't seem to have made it into QRG [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:26:01 <pfps> baojie: which?
18:26:07 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
18:26:27 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:26:27 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:26:28 <pfps> baojie: will check and change as necessary
Jie Bao: will check and change as necessary ←
18:26:51 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - baojie
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - baojie ←
18:26:55 <sandro> action: jie update QRG for annotation assertions
ACTION: jie update QRG for annotation assertions ←
18:26:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-258 - Update QRG for annotation assertions [on Jie Bao - due 2008-12-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-258 - Update QRG for annotation assertions [on Jie Bao - due 2008-12-17]. ←
18:27:09 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:27:36 <pfps> baojie: guide for profiles?
Jie Bao: guide for profiles? ←
18:27:56 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:27:56 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:27:56 <sandro> ack baojie
Sandro Hawke: ack baojie ←
18:28:22 <bijan> I'm generally against proliferation of documents at this stage
Bijan Parsia: I'm generally against proliferation of documents at this stage ←
18:28:14 <pfps> bmotik: what about reviewing?
Boris Motik: what about reviewing? ←
18:28:27 <pfps> sandro: QRG was reviewed for FPWD, needs to be done for next publication
Sandro Hawke: QRG was reviewed for FPWD, needs to be done for next publication ←
18:28:37 <pfps> bmotik: I'll review for next publication
Boris Motik: I'll review for next publication ←
18:28:48 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:28:48 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:29:07 <pfps> ACTION: motik review next version of QRG
ACTION: motik review next version of QRG ←
18:29:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-259 - Review next version of QRG [on Boris Motik - due 2008-12-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-259 - Review next version of QRG [on Boris Motik - due 2008-12-17]. ←
18:29:34 <pfps> sandro: next publication date for QRG
Sandro Hawke: next publication date for QRG ←
18:29:39 <bmotik> My user name is bmotik2. However, I'd prefer not taking an action now (because I can't work it off immediately).
Boris Motik: My user name is bmotik2. However, I'd prefer not taking an action now (because I can't work it off immediately). ←
18:29:44 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:29:50 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:29:50 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:29:53 <pfps> sandro: probably wait until end of LC
Sandro Hawke: probably wait until end of LC ←
18:30:23 <pfps> pfps: I'll adjust the action due date to Feb (if this is not OK, you could just kill the item)
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll adjust the action due date to Feb (if this is not OK, you could just kill the item) ←
18:30:23 <bmotik> We can add my name to the Review list, and then when we get to next publication date, I'll be happy to take the action
Boris Motik: We can add my name to the Review list, and then when we get to next publication date, I'll be happy to take the action ←
18:30:33 <pfps> pfps: OK that works
Peter Patel-Schneider: OK that works ←
18:31:17 <pfps> bijan: we can generate PDF using princeXML and get hyperlinks for "free"
Bijan Parsia: we can generate PDF using princeXML and get hyperlinks for "free" ←
18:31:25 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
18:31:44 <pfps> bijan: next version of primer will be ready early Jan 2009
Bijan Parsia: next version of primer will be ready early Jan 2009 ←
18:32:00 <pfps> bijan: a WD publication in Jan would be fine
Bijan Parsia: a WD publication in Jan would be fine ←
18:32:23 <pfps> sandro: princeXML works great - W3C has a real license and can "push the button"
Sandro Hawke: princeXML works great - W3C has a real license and can "push the button" ←
18:32:50 <pfps> dlm: HTML version is longer than 2 pages - we want PDF to be 2 pages
Deborah McGuinness: HTML version is longer than 2 pages - we want PDF to be 2 pages ←
18:33:05 <pfps> bijan: why? I have CSS for the compact layout
Bijan Parsia: why? I have CSS for the compact layout ←
18:33:09 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
18:33:31 <pfps> dlm: I haven't looked at this - let's check it out offline
Deborah McGuinness: I haven't looked at this - let's check it out offline ←
18:33:40 <pfps> bijan: we can really make it work
Bijan Parsia: we can really make it work ←
18:33:55 <pfps> baojie: current document is longer so care is needed
Jie Bao: current document is longer so care is needed ←
18:34:20 <pfps> bijan: if content is the same then the 2-page PDF design can be generated automagically using CSS
Bijan Parsia: if content is the same then the 2-page PDF design can be generated automagically using CSS ←
18:34:33 <pfps> sandro: may require some "polishing"
Sandro Hawke: may require some "polishing" ←
18:34:49 <pfps> sandro: new features and rationale
Sandro Hawke: new features and rationale ←
18:34:54 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
18:34:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan, Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe, uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan, Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe, uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted), ←
18:34:57 <Zakim> ... bcuencagrau (muted), +1.518.276.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: ... bcuencagrau (muted), +1.518.276.aagg ←
18:35:00 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:35:06 <pfps> sandro: Christine has had a power failure so she can't be here
Sandro Hawke: Christine has had a power failure so she can't be here ←
18:35:08 <bmotik> I've added a note about my review of the Quick Reference to http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Reviewing; I'm now waiting for chairs to "ping me"
Boris Motik: I've added a note about my review of the Quick Reference to http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Reviewing; I'm now waiting for chairs to "ping me" ←
18:35:14 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:35:14 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
18:35:15 <sandro> zakim, aagg is dlm
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aagg is dlm ←
18:35:16 <Zakim> +dlm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dlm; got it ←
18:35:45 <pfps> bijan: I gave feedback, including demo of appendix, but I have no feedback
Bijan Parsia: I gave feedback, including demo of appendix, but I have no feedback ←
18:35:57 <pfps> bijan: I think that there is some stuff that should be removed
Bijan Parsia: I think that there is some stuff that should be removed ←
18:36:08 <pfps> bijan: we should schedule some time for discussion
Bijan Parsia: we should schedule some time for discussion ←
18:36:24 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
18:36:24 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24 ←
18:36:29 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:36:29 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:36:47 <sandro> action: sandro make sure chairs know about document review/suggestion points at http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24
ACTION: sandro make sure chairs know about document review/suggestion points at http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24 ←
18:36:47 <pfps> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
18:36:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-260 - Make sure chairs know about document review/suggestion points at http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2008-12-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-260 - Make sure chairs know about document review/suggestion points at http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2008-12-17]. ←
18:36:59 <Zakim> pfps, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (50%), dlm (39%)
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (50%), dlm (39%) ←
18:37:06 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:37:06 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:37:40 <sandro> bijan: still planning to get Primer feature-complete over winter break
Bijan Parsia: still planning to get Primer feature-complete over winter break [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:37:42 <pfps> bijan: primer will be upgraded by mid-Jan
Bijan Parsia: primer will be upgraded by mid-Jan ←
18:38:40 <pfps> sandro: next publication? self-standing or with a bunch of other stuff
Sandro Hawke: next publication? self-standing or with a bunch of other stuff ←
18:38:45 <pfps> bijan: arguments either way
Bijan Parsia: arguments either way ←
18:39:03 <pfps> sandro: primer alone may entice attention and reviews
Sandro Hawke: primer alone may entice attention and reviews ←
18:39:30 <pfps> bijan: reasonable publication time would be early Jan - to allow time before end of LC
Bijan Parsia: reasonable publication time would be early Jan - to allow time before end of LC ←
18:39:36 <pfps> sandro: yes
Sandro Hawke: yes ←
18:39:41 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
18:39:41 <pfps> bijan: I'll give it a shot
Bijan Parsia: I'll give it a shot ←
18:39:48 <pfps> ack bijan
ack bijan ←
18:40:15 <pfps> sandro: should be able to line up a reviewer nowish - volunteers?
Sandro Hawke: should be able to line up a reviewer nowish - volunteers? ←
18:40:24 <uli> i would
Uli Sattler: i would ←
18:40:26 <bmotik> I can do a review of the Primer.
Boris Motik: I can do a review of the Primer. ←
18:40:36 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:40:38 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:40:38 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:40:39 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:40:40 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:40:41 <sandro> ack bmotik
Sandro Hawke: ack bmotik ←
18:41:10 <uli> good point, Boris
Uli Sattler: good point, Boris ←
18:41:21 <pfps> bmotik: IJCAI deadline is early Jan (12?) which knocks out 7-12
Boris Motik: IJCAI deadline is early Jan (12?) which knocks out 7-12 ←
18:41:40 <uli> me too
Uli Sattler: me too ←
18:41:52 <pfps> sandro: decision should be made on 7 Jan, so reviews need to be done by then
Sandro Hawke: decision should be made on 7 Jan, so reviews need to be done by then ←
18:41:53 <uli> difficult for me
Uli Sattler: difficult for me ←
18:42:01 <pfps> bmotik: review before then would be acceptable
Boris Motik: review before then would be acceptable ←
18:42:11 <uli> before christmas :(
Uli Sattler: before christmas :( ←
18:42:21 <pfps> sandro: when does the primer need to be done?
Sandro Hawke: when does the primer need to be done? ←
18:42:26 <uli> oi
Uli Sattler: oi ←
18:42:30 <pfps> bmotik: by 1 Jan
Boris Motik: by 1 Jan ←
18:42:35 <bijan> Sure
Bijan Parsia: Sure ←
18:42:40 <pfps> sandro: bijan - does that work?
Sandro Hawke: bijan - does that work? ←
18:42:42 <bijan> And I'll am for before xmas for uli
Bijan Parsia: And I'll am for before xmas for uli ←
18:42:45 <bijan> aim
Bijan Parsia: aim ←
18:42:45 <pfps> bijan: sure
Bijan Parsia: sure ←
18:42:54 <sandro> proposed schedule: bijan done by Jan 1, Uli and Boris reviews by Jan 6, WG publication decision Jan 7.
Sandro Hawke: proposed schedule: bijan done by Jan 1, Uli and Boris reviews by Jan 6, WG publication decision Jan 7. ←
18:43:01 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:43:07 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
18:43:07 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted ←
18:44:00 <pfps> uli: I will be moving so I can't promise a review
Uli Sattler: I will be moving so I can't promise a review ←
18:44:11 <sandro> Understanding the Boris will be travelling on Jan 7, and Uli will be moving and off-line until Jan 8.
Sandro Hawke: Understanding the Boris will be travelling on Jan 7, and Uli will be moving and off-line until Jan 8. ←
18:44:16 <pfps> uli: by jan 7 (8th is OK)
Uli Sattler: by jan 7 (8th is OK) ←
18:44:27 <bijan> Could probably get a review from Matthew Horridge
Bijan Parsia: Could probably get a review from Matthew Horridge ←
18:44:39 <uli> yes
Uli Sattler: yes ←
18:44:39 <bijan> Dunno
Bijan Parsia: Dunno ←
18:44:47 <pfps> pfps: Matthew is not in the WG
Peter Patel-Schneider: Matthew is not in the WG ←
18:44:48 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
18:44:48 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
18:44:48 <bijan> He's author of a document
Bijan Parsia: He's author of a document ←
18:44:55 <bijan> We canmake hima member pretty easily
Bijan Parsia: We canmake hima member pretty easily ←
18:45:17 <uli> ok
Uli Sattler: ok ←
18:45:18 <bijan> Or he can fake uli's email :)
Bijan Parsia: Or he can fake uli's email :) ←
18:45:37 <uli> me neither
Uli Sattler: me neither ←
18:45:40 <pfps> sandro: can we get Matthew to sign up for a review (and show up on the 7th)
Sandro Hawke: can we get Matthew to sign up for a review (and show up on the 7th) ←
18:46:02 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:46:09 <pfps> sandro: repairs section?
Sandro Hawke: repairs section? ←
18:46:10 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
18:46:11 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:46:14 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
18:46:34 <pfps> bijan: this was to add a section to primer on repairs
Bijan Parsia: this was to add a section to primer on repairs ←
18:46:40 <bmotik> +1 to bijan
Boris Motik: +1 to bijan ←
18:46:45 <pfps> bijan: I don't find this suitable for the primer
Bijan Parsia: I don't find this suitable for the primer ←
18:47:08 <pfps> bijan: primer is not dumping spot for things that don't fit elsewhere
Bijan Parsia: primer is not dumping spot for things that don't fit elsewhere ←
18:47:25 <pfps> bijan: primer is not normative so putting repairs there doesn't gain anything
Bijan Parsia: primer is not normative so putting repairs there doesn't gain anything ←
18:47:30 <pfps> bmotik: agree
Boris Motik: agree ←
18:47:46 <pfps> sandro: no one has argued for this
Sandro Hawke: no one has argued for this ←
18:47:48 <sandro> no one arguing in favor of repairs in Primer
Sandro Hawke: no one arguing in favor of repairs in Primer ←
18:47:54 <sandro> (here, today.)
Sandro Hawke: (here, today.) ←
18:47:59 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-12-03#Open_items
Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-12-03#Open_items ←
18:48:08 <pfps> bmotik: Alan was pushing this
Boris Motik: Alan was pushing this ←
18:48:11 <bijan> Noep
Bijan Parsia: Noep ←
18:48:23 <pfps> sandro: Manchester syntax?
Sandro Hawke: Manchester syntax? ←
18:49:00 <sandro> pfps: I believe MS is done, modulo any error reports we get
Peter Patel-Schneider: I believe MS is done, modulo any error reports we get [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:49:04 <pfps> pfps: I think that it is done, and consistent with current state of primary documents
Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that it is done, and consistent with current state of primary documents ←
18:49:16 <pfps> sandro: datarange extension
Sandro Hawke: datarange extension ←
18:49:16 <bijan> Same schedule as before
Bijan Parsia: Same schedule as before ←
18:49:21 <bijan> We plan for something by jan
Bijan Parsia: We plan for something by jan ←
18:49:22 <bijan> uyes
Bijan Parsia: uyes ←
18:49:34 <bijan> Yes please
Bijan Parsia: Yes please ←
18:49:36 <pfps> sandro: publication timing?
Sandro Hawke: publication timing? ←
18:49:47 <pfps> bijan: wait for next chunk of publications
Bijan Parsia: wait for next chunk of publications ←
18:49:48 <sandro> publication -- same time as next big round
Sandro Hawke: publication -- same time as next big round ←
18:50:12 <pfps> sandro: rec-track status - no decision, just discussion
Sandro Hawke: rec-track status - no decision, just discussion ←
18:50:24 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:50:24 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
18:51:00 <baojie> +baojie
18:51:12 <pfps> bijan: I prefer notes, but will acceed to rec track, so long as everything has same status
Bijan Parsia: I prefer notes, but will acceed to rec track, so long as everything has same status ←
18:51:29 <sandro> ack baojie
Sandro Hawke: ack baojie ←
18:52:12 <pfps> baojie: QRG, Primer, and NFR should be rec track
Jie Bao: QRG, Primer, and NFR should be rec track ←
18:52:25 <sandro> ack dlm
Sandro Hawke: ack dlm ←
18:52:27 <pfps> sandro: let's only take note arguments
Sandro Hawke: let's only take note arguments ←
18:52:29 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
18:52:34 <sandro> ack dlm
Sandro Hawke: ack dlm ←
18:52:44 <sandro> ack dlm
Sandro Hawke: ack dlm ←
18:52:46 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:52:47 <sandro> ack dlmcg
Sandro Hawke: ack dlmcg ←
18:52:50 <sandro> ack pfps
Sandro Hawke: ack pfps ←
18:52:58 <pfps> pfps: I agree with Bijan
Peter Patel-Schneider: I agree with Bijan ←
18:53:07 <sandro> pfps: I agree with Bijan in all His Revealed Glory
Peter Patel-Schneider: I agree with Bijan in all His Revealed Glory [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:53:06 <Achille> +1 for rec trac as suggested by bijan
Achille Fokoue: +1 for rec trac as suggested by bijan ←
18:53:14 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:53:14 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted ←
18:53:15 <sandro> ack schneid
Sandro Hawke: ack schneid ←
18:53:19 <uli> just to ensure that we don't agree too soon
Uli Sattler: just to ensure that we don't agree too soon ←
18:53:29 <sandro> schneid: I'd also prefer to have them all rec track.
Michael Schneider: I'd also prefer to have them all rec track. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:53:36 <pfps> schneid: prefer rec track, but only slightly
Michael Schneider: prefer rec track, but only slightly ←
18:53:46 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:53:46 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
18:53:52 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
18:54:10 <sandro> PROPOSED: QRG, NFR, and Primer are all Rec Track
PROPOSED: QRG, NFR, and Primer are all Rec Track ←
18:54:14 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
18:54:18 <sandro> ack uli
Sandro Hawke: ack uli ←
18:54:20 <pfps> q-
q- ←
18:54:22 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:54:22 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
18:54:22 <Zakim> uli was not muted, uli
Zakim IRC Bot: uli was not muted, uli ←
18:55:20 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
18:55:20 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
18:55:39 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
18:56:04 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:56:04 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
18:56:39 <pfps> bijan: happy with just these three tied together
Bijan Parsia: happy with just these three tied together ←
18:56:42 <sandro> PROPOSED: Quick Reference Guide, New Features and Rationale, Primer will all be Recommendation Track. Not making any decision on Manchester Syntax or Data Range Extension at this point.
PROPOSED: Quick Reference Guide, New Features and Rationale, Primer will all be Recommendation Track. Not making any decision on Manchester Syntax or Data Range Extension at this point. ←
18:56:47 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
18:56:58 <schneid> +1
Michael Schneider: +1 ←
18:56:59 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:57:02 <pfps> pfps: 0
18:57:05 <msmith> 0
Michael Smith: 0 ←
18:57:06 <Zhe> 0
18:57:06 <bcuencagrau> 0
18:57:07 <JeffP> 0
18:57:07 <bijan> +1 but thinks that people should not argue after someone has graciously conceded already!
Bijan Parsia: +1 but thinks that people should not argue after someone has graciously conceded already! ←
18:57:07 <baojie> +1
18:57:10 <dlm> +1
Deborah McGuinness: +1 ←
18:57:10 <MarkusK_> 0
Markus Krötzsch: 0 ←
18:57:18 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
18:57:24 <sandro> RESOLVED: Quick Reference Guide, New Features and Rationale, Primer will all be Recommendation Track. Not making any decision on Manchester Syntax or Data Range Extension at this point.
RESOLVED: Quick Reference Guide, New Features and Rationale, Primer will all be Recommendation Track. Not making any decision on Manchester Syntax or Data Range Extension at this point. ←
18:57:27 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:57:27 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:58:02 <pfps> bijan: Manchester Syntax for next week
Bijan Parsia: Manchester Syntax for next week ←
18:58:08 <pfps> topic: RIF coordination
18:58:10 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:58:21 <pfps> sandro: meeting tomorrow (noon EST, 5pm GMT)
Sandro Hawke: meeting tomorrow (noon EST, 5pm GMT) ←
18:58:26 <pfps> pfps: I'll be there
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll be there ←
18:58:40 <pfps> sandro: agenda was sent out
Sandro Hawke: agenda was sent out ←
18:58:58 <pfps> bijan: need to worry about timing
Bijan Parsia: need to worry about timing ←
18:59:12 <pfps> sandro: acknowledged
Sandro Hawke: acknowledged ←
18:59:15 <JeffP> q+
18:59:28 <pfps> sandro: coordination a while ago would have been better
Sandro Hawke: coordination a while ago would have been better ←
18:59:54 <pfps> bijan: there may be other coordination issues besides RL datatypes
Bijan Parsia: there may be other coordination issues besides RL datatypes ←
19:00:10 <pfps> bijan: I'll send out email
Bijan Parsia: I'll send out email ←
19:00:12 <sandro> ack pfps
Sandro Hawke: ack pfps ←
19:00:14 <pfps> q-
q- ←
19:00:18 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
19:00:18 <bijan> ack bijan
Bijan Parsia: ack bijan ←
19:00:20 <sandro> ack JeffP
Sandro Hawke: ack JeffP ←
19:00:22 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
19:00:22 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
19:00:46 <pfps> jeff: similar issues - worry about scope of coordination
Jeff Pan: similar issues - worry about scope of coordination ←
19:01:26 <pfps> sandro: scope had several influences
Sandro Hawke: scope had several influences ←
19:01:42 <bijan> Is rif planning a LC comment?
Bijan Parsia: Is rif planning a LC comment? ←
19:01:52 <pfps> sandro: RIF folks may have had larger concerns
Sandro Hawke: RIF folks may have had larger concerns ←
19:02:20 <pfps> sandro: don't know about any LC comments - hopefully things can be figured out in advance
Sandro Hawke: don't know about any LC comments - hopefully things can be figured out in advance ←
19:02:20 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
19:02:43 <pfps> topic: Features "at-risk"
19:03:17 <Zakim> +??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17 ←
19:03:28 <pfps> pfps: My belief is that this is to remind us not to drop them.
Peter Patel-Schneider: My belief is that this is to remind us not to drop them. ←
19:03:31 <bmotik> No more issues, please!
Boris Motik: No more issues, please! ←
19:03:45 <pfps> sandro: any comments?
Sandro Hawke: any comments? ←
19:03:54 <pfps> topic: any other business
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Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were bijan, +1.914.421.aaaa, Achille, Sandro, bmotik, Peter_Patel-Schneider, +0494212186aabb, +1.518.276.aacc, clu, baojie, MarkusK_, +1.202.408.aadd, msmith, Zhe, uli, ←
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