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OWL Working Group

Minutes of 10 December 2008

Present
Bijan Parsia, Achille Fokoue, Sandro Hawke, Boris Motik, Peter Patel-Schneider, Unknown clu, Jie Bao, Markus Krötzsch, Michael Smith, Zhe Wu, Uli Sattler, Jeff Pan, Michael Schneider, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Deborah McGuinness
Regrets
Elisa Kendall, Evan Wallace, Rinke Hoekstra
Chair
Sandro Hawke
Scribe
Peter Patel-Schneider
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Quick Reference Guide, New Features and Rationale, Primer will all be Recommendation Track. Not making any decision on Manchester Syntax or Data Range Extension at this point. link
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00:00:00 <scribenick> PRESENT: bijan, Achille, Sandro, bmotik, Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu, baojie, MarkusK, msmith, Zhe, uli, JeffP, Michael Schneider, bcuencagrau, dlm

Scribe problem: the name 'clu' does not match any of the 54 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Guoqian Jiang Harold Solbrig Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Jyotishman Pathak Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu

00:00:00 <scribenick> REGRETS: Elisa Kendall, Evan Wallace, Rinke Hoekstra
00:00:00 <scribenick> CHAIR: Sandro Hawke
17:47:58 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc

17:48:04 <sandro> RRSAgent, make log public

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make log public

17:52:51 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started

17:52:58 <Zakim> +??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5

17:53:03 <bijan> zakim, ??p5 is me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??p5 is me

17:53:03 <Zakim> +bijan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it

17:56:31 <Zakim> + +1.914.421.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.914.421.aaaa

17:56:54 <Achille> Zakim, + +1.914.421.aaaa is me

Achille Fokoue: Zakim, + +1.914.421.aaaa is me

17:56:54 <Zakim> I don't understand '+ +1.914.421.aaaa is me', Achille

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '+ +1.914.421.aaaa is me', Achille

17:57:17 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:57:17 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:57:19 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is Achille

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaaa is Achille

17:57:20 <Zakim> +Achille; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it

17:57:26 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

18:00:19 <pfps> Scribe pfps

Peter Patel-Schneider: Scribe pfps

18:00:28 <Zakim> + +0494212186aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +0494212186aabb

18:00:34 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aacc

18:00:35 <clu> zakim, aabb is me

Unknown clu: zakim, aabb is me

18:00:36 <Zakim> +clu; got it

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18:00:41 <clu> zakim, mute me

Unknown clu: zakim, mute me

18:00:41 <Zakim> clu should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: clu should now be muted

18:00:43 <baojie> Zakim, aacc is baojie

Jie Bao: Zakim, aacc is baojie

18:00:43 <Zakim> +baojie; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie; got it

18:00:46 <Zakim> -??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P7

18:01:13 <pfps> ScribeNick: pfps

(Scribe set to Peter Patel-Schneider)

18:01:15 <sandro> Christine calls in to give regrets, as there is suddenly no electricity where she is.

Sandro Hawke: Christine calls in to give regrets, as there is suddenly no electricity where she is.

18:01:23 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

18:01:26 <pfps> RRSAgent, make records public

RRSAgent, make records public

18:01:35 <sandro> she asks us to postpone discussion of the UFD.

Sandro Hawke: she asks us to postpone discussion of the UFD.

18:01:36 <pfps> Zakim, this will be owlwg

Zakim, this will be owlwg

18:01:36 <Zakim> ok, pfps; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start now

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pfps; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start now

18:03:18 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone?

18:03:18 <Zakim> I notice SW_OWL()1:00PM has restarted

Zakim IRC Bot: I notice SW_OWL()1:00PM has restarted

18:03:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, +1.202.408.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, +1.202.408.aadd

18:03:41 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aaee

18:03:52 <Zhe> zakim, +1.603.897.aaee is me

Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.603.897.aaee is me

18:03:52 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it

18:03:58 <Zhe> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

18:04:01 <Zakim> Zhe should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should now be muted

18:04:07 <pfps> topic: agenda amendments

1. agenda amendments

18:04:16 <sandro> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (3 December)

PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (3 December)

18:04:22 <pfps> pfps: the minutes looked OK to me

Peter Patel-Schneider: the minutes looked OK to me

18:04:39 <sandro> RESOLVED Accept Previous Minutes (3 December)

Sandro Hawke: RESOLVED Accept Previous Minutes (3 December)

18:04:46 <pfps> topic: Action Item Status

2. Action Item Status

18:04:53 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

18:04:59 <uli> zakim, ??P11 is me

Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P11 is me

18:05:11 <sandro> action-251?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-251?

18:05:00 <bmotik> That has been done

Boris Motik: That has been done

18:05:04 <sandro> action-251 done

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-251 done

18:05:03 <Zakim> +uli; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it

18:05:05 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:05:10 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:05:11 <trackbot> ACTION-251 -- Boris Motik to update the spec to include rdf:XMLLiteral and fix the annotations as proposed -- due 2008-11-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-251 -- Boris Motik to update the spec to include rdf:XMLLiteral and fix the annotations as proposed -- due 2008-11-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW

18:05:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/251

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/251

18:05:30 <uli> zkim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zkim, mute me

18:05:33 <pfps> pfps: I think that that one was done quite some time ago

Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that that one was done quite some time ago

18:05:35 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

18:05:35 <Zakim> uli should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted

18:05:43 <sandro> action-251 closed

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-251 closed

18:05:43 <trackbot> ACTION-251 Update the spec to include rdf:XMLLiteral and fix the annotations as proposed closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-251 Update the spec to include rdf:XMLLiteral and fix the annotations as proposed closed

18:05:45 <pfps> sandro: any feedback needed

Sandro Hawke: any feedback needed

18:05:48 <pfps> boris: nope

Boris Motik: nope

18:05:50 <Zakim> + +0122427aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +0122427aaff

18:05:11 <sandro> action-254?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-254?

18:05:54 <sandro> action-254 closed

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-254 closed

18:05:54 <trackbot> ACTION-254 Create missing grammars in the documents closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-254 Create missing grammars in the documents closed

18:05:57 <JeffP> zakim, aaff is me

Jeff Pan: zakim, aaff is me

18:05:57 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JeffP; got it

18:05:11 <sandro> action-256?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-256?

18:06:06 <sandro> action-256 closed

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-256 closed

18:06:06 <trackbot> ACTION-256 Set up telecon time poll for rif/owl joint coordination one-time meeting closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-256 Set up telecon time poll for rif/owl joint coordination one-time meeting closed

18:06:09 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

18:06:19 <schneid> zakim, ??P14 is me

Michael Schneider: zakim, ??P14 is me

18:06:19 <Zakim> +schneid; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +schneid; got it

18:06:22 <schneid> zakim, mute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:06:22 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted

18:06:23 <bijan> Do we need to discuss it?

Bijan Parsia: Do we need to discuss it?

18:06:52 <pfps> pfps: RIF meeting discussion is later in the agenda

Peter Patel-Schneider: RIF meeting discussion is later in the agenda

18:07:12 <sandro> action-257?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-257?

18:06:56 <sandro> action-257 closed

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-257 closed

18:06:56 <trackbot> ACTION-257 Set up WBS poll for F2F times closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-257 Set up WBS poll for F2F times closed

18:07:12 <sandro> action-252?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-252?

18:07:12 <trackbot> ACTION-252 -- Peter Patel-Schneider to checking progress of XML Schema 1.1 and datetime datatype -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-252 -- Peter Patel-Schneider to checking progress of XML Schema 1.1 and datetime datatype -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN

18:07:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/252

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/252

18:07:32 <pfps> pfps: I'm waiting for XML Schema WG to get back to us

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm waiting for XML Schema WG to get back to us

18:07:41 <pfps> sandro: Any particular deadline

Sandro Hawke: Any particular deadline

18:07:56 <pfps> pfps: The sooner the better, but we need it before end of Last Call

Peter Patel-Schneider: The sooner the better, but we need it before end of Last Call

18:07:56 <sandro> action-250?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-250?

18:07:56 <trackbot> ACTION-250 -- Sandro Hawke to send mime-type registrations in to IETF when we do last-call publications -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-250 -- Sandro Hawke to send mime-type registrations in to IETF when we do last-call publications -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN

18:07:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/250

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/250

18:08:17 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Round_4#Publicity

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Round_4#Publicity

18:08:36 <pfps> Topic: announcing last call

3. announcing last call

18:08:43 <pfps> sandro: some work has been done

Sandro Hawke: some work has been done

18:08:53 <bijan> http://clarkparsia.com/weblog/2008/12/03/owl-2-last-call-documents-published/

Bijan Parsia: http://clarkparsia.com/weblog/2008/12/03/owl-2-last-call-documents-published/

18:08:57 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone?

18:08:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik, Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe (muted), uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik, Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe (muted), uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted)

18:08:59 <pfps> sandro: do some announcement (and add to wiki page)

Sandro Hawke: do some announcement (and add to wiki page)

18:09:26 <pfps> sandro: going around the "room"

Sandro Hawke: going around the "room"

18:09:30 <Zhe> zakim, unmute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, unmute me

18:09:30 <Zakim> Zhe should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should no longer be muted

18:09:32 <pfps> sandro: bijan?

Sandro Hawke: bijan?

18:09:34 <bijan> I'm harrasing people

Bijan Parsia: I'm harrasing people

18:09:36 <uli> I checked and compared my 'candidates', but Ian had already done them

Uli Sattler: I checked and compared my 'candidates', but Ian had already done them

18:09:44 <Zakim> +??P15

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15

18:09:45 <MarkusK_> I have put a small notice at semanticweb.org

Markus Krötzsch: I have put a small notice at semanticweb.org

18:09:47 <pfps> sandro: achille?

Sandro Hawke: achille?

18:09:48 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P15 is me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P15 is me

18:09:48 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it

18:09:54 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me

18:09:54 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted

18:09:57 <pfps> pfps: same as uli

Peter Patel-Schneider: same as uli

18:10:00 <Achille> i prefer typing

Achille Fokoue: i prefer typing

18:10:08 <Achille> my baby is unhappy

Achille Fokoue: my baby is unhappy

18:10:15 <MarkusK_> s /semanticweb.org/the main page of semanticweb.org/

Markus Krötzsch: s /semanticweb.org/the main page of semanticweb.org/

18:10:19 <bijan> HCLS list?

Bijan Parsia: HCLS list?

18:10:28 <bijan> Yes :(

Bijan Parsia: Yes :(

18:10:30 <pfps> sandro: I owe a blog post about this

Sandro Hawke: I owe a blog post about this

18:10:38 <Achille> I'll send note in ibm internal mailing lists

Achille Fokoue: I'll send note in ibm internal mailing lists

18:10:46 <pfps> sandro: bijan - please put up on HCLS

Sandro Hawke: bijan - please put up on HCLS

18:11:05 <bijan> Oh, we'll be doing internal review here

Bijan Parsia: Oh, we'll be doing internal review here

18:11:06 <pfps> pfps:  same as uli - my suspects have been handled

Peter Patel-Schneider: same as uli - my suspects have been handled

18:11:07 <Achille> and in a talk i will give at Bolzen-Bolzano free university next week

Achille Fokoue: and in a talk i will give at Bolzen-Bolzano free university next week

18:11:22 <bijan> I.e., having people inside manchester review all the documents carefully

Bijan Parsia: I.e., having people inside manchester review all the documents carefully

18:11:27 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

18:11:27 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:11:28 <pfps> sandro: please publicize

Sandro Hawke: please publicize

18:11:29 <Zhe> I have sent the notice to Oracle's internal list

Zhe Wu: I have sent the notice to Oracle's internal list

18:11:38 <pfps> topic: F2F5

4. F2F5

18:11:56 <pfps> sandro: no decision today (no Alan, no Ian)

Sandro Hawke: no decision today (no Alan, no Ian)

18:12:09 <pfps> sandro: does anyone want to answer the poll?

Sandro Hawke: does anyone want to answer the poll?

18:12:16 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/41712/f2f5date/results

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/41712/f2f5date/results

18:12:52 <pfps> sandro: results are close - lead is Mar 3-4

Sandro Hawke: results are close - lead is Mar 3-4

18:13:00 <pfps> sandro: probably chairs will decide

Sandro Hawke: probably chairs will decide

18:13:05 <pfps> topic: LC comments

5. LC comments

18:13:11 <pfps> sandro: none yet

Sandro Hawke: none yet

18:13:21 <pfps> sandro: Ian has a page for coordination

Sandro Hawke: Ian has a page for coordination

18:13:43 <pfps> sandro: if there are not too many comments we'll just use this wiki page

Sandro Hawke: if there are not too many comments we'll just use this wiki page

18:13:48 <msmith> q+

Michael Smith: q+

18:13:48 <pfps> topic: test cases

6. test cases

18:13:54 <MarkusK_> q+

Markus Krötzsch: q+

18:14:04 <msmith> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Test_Queue

Michael Smith: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Test_Queue

18:14:18 <pfps> msmith: there are some test cases in proper format

Michael Smith: there are some test cases in proper format

18:14:41 <pfps> msmith: email asking for people to check them out was just sent

Michael Smith: email asking for people to check them out was just sent

18:14:50 <pfps> msmith: could be approved next week

Michael Smith: could be approved next week

18:15:01 <MarkusK_> q+ to report on test case licensing issues

Markus Krötzsch: q+ to report on test case licensing issues

18:15:14 <pfps> msmith: results for Pellet and Hermit are included

Michael Smith: results for Pellet and Hermit are included

18:15:29 <pfps> sandro: plan for gathering test results where others drive?

Sandro Hawke: plan for gathering test results where others drive?

18:15:41 <pfps> msmith: still needs to be ironed out

Michael Smith: still needs to be ironed out

18:16:00 <pfps> msmith: oracle has some suggestions

Michael Smith: oracle has some suggestions

18:16:16 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aagg

18:16:27 <sandro> ack MarkusK_

Sandro Hawke: ack MarkusK_

18:16:27 <Zakim> MarkusK_, you wanted to report on test case licensing issues

Zakim IRC Bot: MarkusK_, you wanted to report on test case licensing issues

18:16:31 <pfps> sandro: Webont had a way of incorporating external results

Sandro Hawke: Webont had a way of incorporating external results

18:16:35 <sandro> ack msmith

Sandro Hawke: ack msmith

18:17:24 <pfps> markus: only issue is that publicly contributed test cases need a release to agree to W3C licensing stuff

Markus Krötzsch: only issue is that publicly contributed test cases need a release to agree to W3C licensing stuff

18:17:36 <pfps> sandro: location of test repository?

Sandro Hawke: location of test repository?

18:17:53 <pfps> markus: not determined yet, but any place is OK (in W3C space)

Markus Krötzsch: not determined yet, but any place is OK (in W3C space)

18:18:03 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/test

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/test

18:18:14 <pfps> sandro: what about the above spot?

Sandro Hawke: what about the above spot?

18:18:20 <pfps> markus: looks OK

Markus Krötzsch: looks OK

18:18:41 <msmith> sounds good

Michael Smith: sounds good

18:18:42 <pfps> sandro: we can use CVS  for upload

Sandro Hawke: we can use CVS for upload

18:18:49 <bijan> What's the license on the suite?

Bijan Parsia: What's the license on the suite?

18:18:57 <bijan> Can one create derived works?

Bijan Parsia: Can one create derived works?

18:19:19 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/Project/CVSdoc/

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/Project/CVSdoc/

18:19:31 <MarkusK_> q+ to answer bijan

Markus Krötzsch: q+ to answer bijan

18:19:32 <pfps> sandro: documentation at above link

Sandro Hawke: documentation at above link

18:19:51 <pfps> sandro: I need an SSH public key to set up access

Sandro Hawke: I need an SSH public key to set up access

18:19:56 <msmith> yes, I will email you an ssh key

Michael Smith: yes, I will email you an ssh key

18:20:08 <pfps> sandro: Markus and Mike to send PK

Sandro Hawke: Markus and Mike to send PK

18:20:10 <sandro> ack MarkusK_

Sandro Hawke: ack MarkusK_

18:20:10 <Zakim> MarkusK_, you wanted to answer bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: MarkusK_, you wanted to answer bijan

18:20:29 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:20:29 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

18:20:31 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:20:40 <pfps> markus: derived works are allowed for tests, we'll use a creative commons license

Markus Krötzsch: derived works are allowed for tests, we'll use a creative commons license

18:20:52 <MarkusK_> http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases.html

Markus Krötzsch: http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases.html

18:21:02 <sandro> ack bijan

Sandro Hawke: ack bijan

18:21:04 <pfps> markus: W3C will control entire test suite

Markus Krötzsch: W3C will control entire test suite

18:21:22 <pfps> bijan: OK, I was worried about the W3C document liclense, which would not have been suitable

Bijan Parsia: OK, I was worried about the W3C document liclense, which would not have been suitable

18:21:32 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

18:21:32 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

18:21:32 <MarkusK_> My current draft license conditions are: http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/projects/owltests/index.php/OWL_Test_Cases:Copyrights

Markus Krötzsch: My current draft license conditions are: http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/projects/owltests/index.php/OWL_Test_Cases:Copyrights

18:21:41 <pfps> bijan: I want to use the test suite and modify it for other purposes

Bijan Parsia: I want to use the test suite and modify it for other purposes

18:22:23 <bijan> a 3-clause BSD License for software development, bugtracking, and other applications that do not require assertions of performance to the public or implied claims of conformance to a W3C Specification. See summary of 3-clause BSD License.

Bijan Parsia: a 3-clause BSD License for software development, bugtracking, and other applications that do not require assertions of performance to the public or implied claims of conformance to a W3C Specification. See summary of 3-clause BSD License.

18:22:23 <bijan> a W3C Test Suite License for an Authoritative W3C Test Suite or when claims of performance with respect to a specification are required. See summary of W3C Test Suite License.

Bijan Parsia: a W3C Test Suite License for an Authoritative W3C Test Suite or when claims of performance with respect to a specification are required. See summary of W3C Test Suite License.

18:21:54 <pfps> topic: Plans for non-LC documents

7. Plans for non-LC documents

18:22:26 <pfps> sandro: hard to make decision on REC-track today because no chairs

Sandro Hawke: hard to make decision on REC-track today because no chairs

18:22:35 <pfps> sandro: status checks

Sandro Hawke: status checks

18:22:42 <pfps> sandro: QRG?

Sandro Hawke: QRG?

18:23:06 <pfps> dlm: there are some things that still need to be done, and they will be done

Deborah McGuinness: there are some things that still need to be done, and they will be done

18:23:08 <baojie> To do list:

Jie Bao: To do list:

18:23:08 <baojie>     * Create inline hyperlinks to Syntax

Jie Bao: * Create inline hyperlinks to Syntax

18:23:08 <baojie>     * Create hyperlinks to Direct Semantics and RDF-Based Semantics once the anchors in those documents are ready

Jie Bao: * Create hyperlinks to Direct Semantics and RDF-Based Semantics once the anchors in those documents are ready

18:23:08 <baojie>     * Complete inline hyperlinks to Primer when the missing ones are ready

Jie Bao: * Complete inline hyperlinks to Primer when the missing ones are ready

18:23:08 <baojie>     * Create inline hyperlinks to New Features and Rationale

Jie Bao: * Create inline hyperlinks to New Features and Rationale

18:23:09 <baojie>     * Make a new 2-page print version.

Jie Bao: * Make a new 2-page print version.

18:23:11 <baojie>     * Design a similar guide for profiles with 1 page print version.

Jie Bao: * Design a similar guide for profiles with 1 page print version.

18:23:20 <pfps> dlm: need tags in other documents

Deborah McGuinness: need tags in other documents

18:23:28 <pfps> sandro: go ahead and add tags

Sandro Hawke: go ahead and add tags

18:23:37 <bijan> We might derive tags from heading

Bijan Parsia: We might derive tags from heading

18:23:39 <pfps> pfps: need to make *sure* no duplicates!

Peter Patel-Schneider: need to make *sure* no duplicates!

18:23:42 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:23:52 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:23:52 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

18:23:54 <sandro> ack bijan

Sandro Hawke: ack bijan

18:24:03 <pfps> pfps: can use W3C tools to check for dups

Peter Patel-Schneider: can use W3C tools to check for dups

18:24:14 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

18:24:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan, Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe, uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan, Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe, uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted),

18:24:17 <Zakim> ... bcuencagrau (muted), +1.518.276.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: ... bcuencagrau (muted), +1.518.276.aagg

18:24:23 <pfps> bijan: can this be done automatically?

Bijan Parsia: can this be done automatically?

18:24:46 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:24:51 <pfps> baojie: most links are there at least in Syntax and Primer(?)

Jie Bao: most links are there at least in Syntax and Primer(?)

18:24:58 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:24:58 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:24:58 <sandro> ack bmotik

Sandro Hawke: ack bmotik

18:25:01 <pfps> baojie: Semantics and RDF-Based Semantics need more tags

Jie Bao: Semantics and RDF-Based Semantics need more tags

18:25:36 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

18:25:36 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

18:25:38 <pfps> bmotik: QRG doesn't reflect last set of changes (annotations)

Boris Motik: QRG doesn't reflect last set of changes (annotations)

18:25:43 <sandro> bmotik: annotation assertions don't seem to have made it into QRG

Boris Motik: annotation assertions don't seem to have made it into QRG [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:26:01 <pfps> baojie: which?

Jie Bao: which?

18:26:07 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

18:26:27 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

18:26:27 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:26:28 <pfps> baojie: will check and change as necessary

Jie Bao: will check and change as necessary

18:26:51 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - baojie

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - baojie

18:26:55 <sandro> action: jie update QRG for annotation assertions

ACTION: jie update QRG for annotation assertions

18:26:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-258 - Update QRG for annotation assertions [on Jie Bao - due 2008-12-17].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-258 - Update QRG for annotation assertions [on Jie Bao - due 2008-12-17].

18:27:09 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:27:36 <pfps> baojie: guide for profiles?

Jie Bao: guide for profiles?

18:27:56 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:27:56 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:27:56 <sandro> ack baojie

Sandro Hawke: ack baojie

18:28:22 <bijan> I'm generally against proliferation of documents at this stage

Bijan Parsia: I'm generally against proliferation of documents at this stage

18:28:14 <pfps> bmotik: what about reviewing?

Boris Motik: what about reviewing?

18:28:27 <pfps> sandro: QRG was reviewed for FPWD, needs to be done for next publication

Sandro Hawke: QRG was reviewed for FPWD, needs to be done for next publication

18:28:37 <pfps> bmotik: I'll review for next publication

Boris Motik: I'll review for next publication

18:28:48 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

18:28:48 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:29:07 <pfps> ACTION: motik review next version of QRG

ACTION: motik review next version of QRG

18:29:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-259 - Review next version of QRG [on Boris Motik - due 2008-12-17].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-259 - Review next version of QRG [on Boris Motik - due 2008-12-17].

18:29:34 <pfps> sandro: next publication date for QRG

Sandro Hawke: next publication date for QRG

18:29:39 <bmotik> My user name is bmotik2. However, I'd prefer not taking an action now (because I can't work it off immediately).

Boris Motik: My user name is bmotik2. However, I'd prefer not taking an action now (because I can't work it off immediately).

18:29:44 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:29:50 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:29:50 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

18:29:53 <pfps> sandro: probably wait until end of LC

Sandro Hawke: probably wait until end of LC

18:30:23 <pfps> pfps:  I'll adjust the action due date to Feb (if this is not OK, you could just kill the item)

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll adjust the action due date to Feb (if this is not OK, you could just kill the item)

18:30:23 <bmotik> We can add my name to the Review list, and then when we get to next publication date, I'll be happy to take the action

Boris Motik: We can add my name to the Review list, and then when we get to next publication date, I'll be happy to take the action

18:30:33 <pfps> pfps: OK that works

Peter Patel-Schneider: OK that works

18:31:17 <pfps> bijan: we can generate PDF using princeXML and get hyperlinks for "free"

Bijan Parsia: we can generate PDF using princeXML and get hyperlinks for "free"

18:31:25 <sandro> ack bijan

Sandro Hawke: ack bijan

18:31:44 <pfps> bijan: next version of primer will be ready early Jan 2009

Bijan Parsia: next version of primer will be ready early Jan 2009

18:32:00 <pfps> bijan: a WD publication in Jan would be fine

Bijan Parsia: a WD publication in Jan would be fine

18:32:23 <pfps> sandro: princeXML works great - W3C has a real license and can "push the button"

Sandro Hawke: princeXML works great - W3C has a real license and can "push the button"

18:32:50 <pfps> dlm: HTML version is longer than 2 pages - we want PDF to be 2 pages

Deborah McGuinness: HTML version is longer than 2 pages - we want PDF to be 2 pages

18:33:05 <pfps> bijan: why? I have CSS for the compact layout

Bijan Parsia: why? I have CSS for the compact layout

18:33:09 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

18:33:31 <pfps> dlm: I haven't looked at this - let's check it out offline

Deborah McGuinness: I haven't looked at this - let's check it out offline

18:33:40 <pfps> bijan: we can really make it work

Bijan Parsia: we can really make it work

18:33:55 <pfps> baojie: current document is longer so care is needed

Jie Bao: current document is longer so care is needed

18:34:20 <pfps> bijan: if content is the same then the 2-page PDF design can be generated automagically using CSS

Bijan Parsia: if content is the same then the 2-page PDF design can be generated automagically using CSS

18:34:33 <pfps> sandro: may require some "polishing"

Sandro Hawke: may require some "polishing"

18:34:49 <pfps> sandro: new features and rationale

Sandro Hawke: new features and rationale

18:34:54 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone?

18:34:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan, Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe, uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan, Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe, uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted),

18:34:57 <Zakim> ... bcuencagrau (muted), +1.518.276.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: ... bcuencagrau (muted), +1.518.276.aagg

18:35:00 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:35:06 <pfps> sandro: Christine has had a power failure so  she can't be here

Sandro Hawke: Christine has had a power failure so she can't be here

18:35:08 <bmotik> I've added a note about my review of the Quick Reference to http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Reviewing; I'm now waiting for chairs to "ping me"

Boris Motik: I've added a note about my review of the Quick Reference to http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Reviewing; I'm now waiting for chairs to "ping me"

18:35:14 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:35:14 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan

18:35:15 <sandro> zakim, aagg is dlm

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aagg is dlm

18:35:16 <Zakim> +dlm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dlm; got it

18:35:45 <pfps> bijan: I gave feedback, including demo of appendix, but I have no feedback

Bijan Parsia: I gave feedback, including demo of appendix, but I have no feedback

18:35:57 <pfps> bijan: I think that there is some stuff that should be removed

Bijan Parsia: I think that there is some stuff that should be removed

18:36:08 <pfps> bijan: we should schedule some time for discussion

Bijan Parsia: we should schedule some time for discussion

18:36:24 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer?

18:36:24 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24

18:36:29 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

18:36:29 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

18:36:47 <sandro> action: sandro make sure chairs know about document review/suggestion points at http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24

ACTION: sandro make sure chairs know about document review/suggestion points at http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24

18:36:47 <pfps> zakim, who is talking?

zakim, who is talking?

18:36:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-260 - Make sure chairs know about document review/suggestion points at http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2008-12-17].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-260 - Make sure chairs know about document review/suggestion points at http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2008-12-17].

18:36:59 <Zakim> pfps, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (50%), dlm (39%)

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (50%), dlm (39%)

18:37:06 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:37:06 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

18:37:40 <sandro> bijan: still planning to get Primer feature-complete over winter break

Bijan Parsia: still planning to get Primer feature-complete over winter break [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:37:42 <pfps> bijan: primer will be upgraded by mid-Jan

Bijan Parsia: primer will be upgraded by mid-Jan

18:38:40 <pfps> sandro: next publication? self-standing or with a bunch of other stuff

Sandro Hawke: next publication? self-standing or with a bunch of other stuff

18:38:45 <pfps> bijan: arguments either way

Bijan Parsia: arguments either way

18:39:03 <pfps> sandro: primer alone may entice attention and reviews

Sandro Hawke: primer alone may entice attention and reviews

18:39:30 <pfps> bijan: reasonable publication time would be early Jan - to allow time before end of LC

Bijan Parsia: reasonable publication time would be early Jan - to allow time before end of LC

18:39:36 <pfps> sandro: yes

Sandro Hawke: yes

18:39:41 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

18:39:41 <pfps> bijan: I'll give it a shot

Bijan Parsia: I'll give it a shot

18:39:48 <pfps> ack bijan

ack bijan

18:40:15 <pfps> sandro: should be able to line up a reviewer nowish - volunteers?

Sandro Hawke: should be able to line up a reviewer nowish - volunteers?

18:40:24 <uli> i would

Uli Sattler: i would

18:40:26 <bmotik> I can do a review of the Primer.

Boris Motik: I can do a review of the Primer.

18:40:36 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:40:38 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:40:38 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:40:39 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

18:40:40 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

18:40:41 <sandro> ack bmotik

Sandro Hawke: ack bmotik

18:41:10 <uli> good point, Boris

Uli Sattler: good point, Boris

18:41:21 <pfps> bmotik: IJCAI deadline is early Jan (12?) which knocks out 7-12

Boris Motik: IJCAI deadline is early Jan (12?) which knocks out 7-12

18:41:40 <uli> me too

Uli Sattler: me too

18:41:52 <pfps> sandro: decision should be made on 7 Jan, so reviews need to be done by then

Sandro Hawke: decision should be made on 7 Jan, so reviews need to be done by then

18:41:53 <uli> difficult for me

Uli Sattler: difficult for me

18:42:01 <pfps> bmotik: review before then would be acceptable

Boris Motik: review before then would be acceptable

18:42:11 <uli> before christmas :(

Uli Sattler: before christmas :(

18:42:21 <pfps> sandro: when does the primer need to be done?

Sandro Hawke: when does the primer need to be done?

18:42:26 <uli> oi

Uli Sattler: oi

18:42:30 <pfps> bmotik: by 1 Jan

Boris Motik: by 1 Jan

18:42:35 <bijan> Sure

Bijan Parsia: Sure

18:42:40 <pfps> sandro: bijan - does that work?

Sandro Hawke: bijan - does that work?

18:42:42 <bijan> And I'll am for before xmas for uli

Bijan Parsia: And I'll am for before xmas for uli

18:42:45 <bijan> aim

Bijan Parsia: aim

18:42:45 <pfps> bijan: sure

Bijan Parsia: sure

18:42:54 <sandro> proposed schedule:    bijan done by Jan 1, Uli and Boris reviews by Jan 6, WG publication decision Jan 7.

Sandro Hawke: proposed schedule: bijan done by Jan 1, Uli and Boris reviews by Jan 6, WG publication decision Jan 7.

18:43:01 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

18:43:07 <uli> zakim, unmute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me

18:43:07 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted

18:44:00 <pfps> uli: I will be moving so I can't promise a review

Uli Sattler: I will be moving so I can't promise a review

18:44:11 <sandro> Understanding the Boris will be travelling on Jan 7, and Uli will be moving and off-line until Jan 8.

Sandro Hawke: Understanding the Boris will be travelling on Jan 7, and Uli will be moving and off-line until Jan 8.

18:44:16 <pfps> uli: by jan 7 (8th is OK)

Uli Sattler: by jan 7 (8th is OK)

18:44:27 <bijan> Could probably get a review from Matthew Horridge

Bijan Parsia: Could probably get a review from Matthew Horridge

18:44:39 <uli> yes

Uli Sattler: yes

18:44:39 <bijan> Dunno

Bijan Parsia: Dunno

18:44:47 <pfps> pfps: Matthew is not in the WG

Peter Patel-Schneider: Matthew is not in the WG

18:44:48 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

18:44:48 <Zakim> uli should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted

18:44:48 <bijan> He's author of a document

Bijan Parsia: He's author of a document

18:44:55 <bijan> We canmake hima  member pretty easily

Bijan Parsia: We canmake hima member pretty easily

18:45:17 <uli> ok

Uli Sattler: ok

18:45:18 <bijan> Or he can fake uli's email :)

Bijan Parsia: Or he can fake uli's email :)

18:45:37 <uli> me neither

Uli Sattler: me neither

18:45:40 <pfps> sandro: can we get Matthew to sign up for a review (and show up on the 7th)

Sandro Hawke: can we get Matthew to sign up for a review (and show up on the 7th)

18:46:02 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:46:09 <pfps> sandro: repairs section?

Sandro Hawke: repairs section?

18:46:10 <sandro> ack bijan

Sandro Hawke: ack bijan

18:46:11 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:46:14 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan

18:46:34 <pfps> bijan: this was to add a section to primer on repairs

Bijan Parsia: this was to add a section to primer on repairs

18:46:40 <bmotik> +1 to bijan

Boris Motik: +1 to bijan

18:46:45 <pfps> bijan:  I don't find this suitable for the primer

Bijan Parsia: I don't find this suitable for the primer

18:47:08 <pfps> bijan: primer is not dumping spot for things that don't fit elsewhere

Bijan Parsia: primer is not dumping spot for things that don't fit elsewhere

18:47:25 <pfps> bijan: primer is not normative so putting repairs there doesn't gain anything

Bijan Parsia: primer is not normative so putting repairs there doesn't gain anything

18:47:30 <pfps> bmotik: agree

Boris Motik: agree

18:47:46 <pfps> sandro: no one has argued for this

Sandro Hawke: no one has argued for this

18:47:48 <sandro> no one arguing in favor of repairs in Primer

Sandro Hawke: no one arguing in favor of repairs in Primer

18:47:54 <sandro> (here, today.)

Sandro Hawke: (here, today.)

18:47:59 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-12-03#Open_items

Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-12-03#Open_items

18:48:08 <pfps> bmotik: Alan was pushing this

Boris Motik: Alan was pushing this

18:48:11 <bijan> Noep

Bijan Parsia: Noep

18:48:23 <pfps> sandro: Manchester syntax?

Sandro Hawke: Manchester syntax?

18:49:00 <sandro> pfps: I believe MS is done, modulo any error reports we get

Peter Patel-Schneider: I believe MS is done, modulo any error reports we get [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:49:04 <pfps> pfps: I think that it is done, and consistent with current state of primary documents

Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that it is done, and consistent with current state of primary documents

18:49:16 <pfps> sandro: datarange extension

Sandro Hawke: datarange extension

18:49:16 <bijan> Same schedule as before

Bijan Parsia: Same schedule as before

18:49:21 <bijan> We plan for something by jan

Bijan Parsia: We plan for something by jan

18:49:22 <bijan> uyes

Bijan Parsia: uyes

18:49:34 <bijan> Yes please

Bijan Parsia: Yes please

18:49:36 <pfps> sandro: publication timing?

Sandro Hawke: publication timing?

18:49:47 <pfps> bijan: wait for next chunk of publications

Bijan Parsia: wait for next chunk of publications

18:49:48 <sandro> publication -- same time as next big round

Sandro Hawke: publication -- same time as next big round

18:50:12 <pfps> sandro: rec-track status - no decision, just discussion

Sandro Hawke: rec-track status - no decision, just discussion

18:50:24 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:50:24 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan

18:51:00 <baojie> +baojie

Jie Bao: +baojie

18:51:12 <pfps> bijan: I prefer notes, but will acceed to rec track, so long as everything has same status

Bijan Parsia: I prefer notes, but will acceed to rec track, so long as everything has same status

18:51:29 <sandro> ack baojie

Sandro Hawke: ack baojie

18:52:12 <pfps> baojie: QRG, Primer, and NFR should be rec track

Jie Bao: QRG, Primer, and NFR should be rec track

18:52:25 <sandro> ack dlm

Sandro Hawke: ack dlm

18:52:27 <pfps> sandro: let's only take note arguments

Sandro Hawke: let's only take note arguments

18:52:29 <pfps> q+

q+

18:52:34 <sandro> ack dlm

Sandro Hawke: ack dlm

18:52:44 <sandro> ack dlm

Sandro Hawke: ack dlm

18:52:46 <schneid> q+

Michael Schneider: q+

18:52:47 <sandro> ack dlmcg

Sandro Hawke: ack dlmcg

18:52:50 <sandro> ack pfps

Sandro Hawke: ack pfps

18:52:58 <pfps> pfps: I agree with Bijan

Peter Patel-Schneider: I agree with Bijan

18:53:07 <sandro> pfps: I agree with Bijan in all His Revealed Glory

Peter Patel-Schneider: I agree with Bijan in all His Revealed Glory [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:53:06 <Achille> +1 for rec trac as suggested by bijan

Achille Fokoue: +1 for rec trac as suggested by bijan

18:53:14 <schneid> zakim, unmute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me

18:53:14 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted

18:53:15 <sandro> ack schneid

Sandro Hawke: ack schneid

18:53:19 <uli> just to ensure that we don't agree too soon

Uli Sattler: just to ensure that we don't agree too soon

18:53:29 <sandro> schneid: I'd also prefer to have them all rec track.

Michael Schneider: I'd also prefer to have them all rec track. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:53:36 <pfps> schneid: prefer rec track, but only slightly

Michael Schneider: prefer rec track, but only slightly

18:53:46 <schneid> zakim, mute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:53:46 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted

18:53:52 <uli> q+

Uli Sattler: q+

18:54:10 <sandro> PROPOSED: QRG, NFR, and Primer are all Rec Track

PROPOSED: QRG, NFR, and Primer are all Rec Track

18:54:14 <pfps> q+

q+

18:54:18 <sandro> ack uli

Sandro Hawke: ack uli

18:54:20 <pfps> q-

q-

18:54:22 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

18:54:22 <uli> zakim, unmute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me

18:54:22 <Zakim> uli was not muted, uli

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18:55:20 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

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18:55:39 <pfps> q+

q+

18:56:04 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:56:04 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan

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18:56:39 <pfps> bijan: happy with just these three tied together

Bijan Parsia: happy with just these three tied together

18:56:42 <sandro> PROPOSED: Quick Reference Guide, New Features and Rationale, Primer will all be Recommendation Track.   Not making any decision on Manchester Syntax or Data Range Extension at this point.

PROPOSED: Quick Reference Guide, New Features and Rationale, Primer will all be Recommendation Track. Not making any decision on Manchester Syntax or Data Range Extension at this point.

18:56:47 <Achille> +1

Achille Fokoue: +1

18:56:58 <schneid> +1

Michael Schneider: +1

18:56:59 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

18:57:02 <pfps> pfps: 0

Peter Patel-Schneider: 0

18:57:05 <msmith> 0

Michael Smith: 0

18:57:06 <Zhe> 0

Zhe Wu: 0

18:57:06 <bcuencagrau> 0

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: 0

18:57:07 <JeffP> 0

Jeff Pan: 0

18:57:07 <bijan> +1 but thinks that people should not argue after someone has graciously conceded already!

Bijan Parsia: +1 but thinks that people should not argue after someone has graciously conceded already!

18:57:07 <baojie> +1

Jie Bao: +1

18:57:10 <dlm> +1

Deborah McGuinness: +1

18:57:10 <MarkusK_> 0

Markus Krötzsch: 0

18:57:18 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

18:57:24 <sandro> RESOLVED: Quick Reference Guide, New Features and Rationale, Primer will all be Recommendation Track.   Not making any decision on Manchester Syntax or Data Range Extension at this point.

RESOLVED: Quick Reference Guide, New Features and Rationale, Primer will all be Recommendation Track. Not making any decision on Manchester Syntax or Data Range Extension at this point.

18:57:27 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

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18:58:02 <pfps> bijan: Manchester Syntax for next week

Bijan Parsia: Manchester Syntax for next week

18:58:08 <pfps> topic: RIF coordination

8. RIF coordination

18:58:10 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:58:21 <pfps> sandro: meeting tomorrow (noon EST, 5pm GMT)

Sandro Hawke: meeting tomorrow (noon EST, 5pm GMT)

18:58:26 <pfps> pfps: I'll be there

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll be there

18:58:40 <pfps> sandro: agenda was sent out

Sandro Hawke: agenda was sent out

18:58:58 <pfps> bijan: need to worry about timing

Bijan Parsia: need to worry about timing

18:59:12 <pfps> sandro: acknowledged

Sandro Hawke: acknowledged

18:59:15 <JeffP> q+

Jeff Pan: q+

18:59:28 <pfps> sandro: coordination a while ago would have been better

Sandro Hawke: coordination a while ago would have been better

18:59:54 <pfps> bijan: there may be other coordination issues besides RL datatypes

Bijan Parsia: there may be other coordination issues besides RL datatypes

19:00:10 <pfps> bijan: I'll send out email

Bijan Parsia: I'll send out email

19:00:12 <sandro> ack pfps

Sandro Hawke: ack pfps

19:00:14 <pfps> q-

q-

19:00:18 <sandro> ack bijan

Sandro Hawke: ack bijan

19:00:18 <bijan> ack bijan

Bijan Parsia: ack bijan

19:00:20 <sandro> ack JeffP

Sandro Hawke: ack JeffP

19:00:22 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

19:00:22 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

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19:00:46 <pfps> jeff: similar issues - worry about scope of coordination

Jeff Pan: similar issues - worry about scope of coordination

19:01:26 <pfps> sandro: scope had several influences

Sandro Hawke: scope had several influences

19:01:42 <bijan> Is rif planning a LC comment?

Bijan Parsia: Is rif planning a LC comment?

19:01:52 <pfps> sandro: RIF folks may have had larger concerns

Sandro Hawke: RIF folks may have had larger concerns

19:02:20 <pfps> sandro: don't know about any LC comments - hopefully things can be figured out in advance

Sandro Hawke: don't know about any LC comments - hopefully things can be figured out in advance

19:02:20 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

19:02:43 <pfps> topic: Features "at-risk"

9. Features "at-risk"

19:03:17 <Zakim> +??P17

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19:03:28 <pfps> pfps: My belief is that this is to remind us not to drop them.

Peter Patel-Schneider: My belief is that this is to remind us not to drop them.

19:03:31 <bmotik> No more issues, please!

Boris Motik: No more issues, please!

19:03:45 <pfps> sandro: any comments?

Sandro Hawke: any comments?

19:03:54 <pfps> topic: any other business

10. any other business

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