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16:57:50 <cgolbrei> PRESENT: cgolbrei, Ivan, bmotik, Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten, Alan_Ruttenberg, uli, Achille, msmith, Zhe, bernardo, Evan_Wallace
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu
16:57:51 <cgolbrei> REGRETS: Rinke Hoekstra, Carsten Lutz
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten Lutz' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Markus Stocker Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Thomas Schneider Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu
16:57:52 <cgolbrei> CHAIR: Alan Ruttenberg
16:57:53 <cgolbrei> ScribeNick: cgolbrei
(Scribe set to Christine Golbreich)
16:57:55 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-owl-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-owl-irc ←
16:58:06 <bmotik> rrsagent, make log public
Boris Motik: rrsagent, make log public ←
16:58:28 <cgolbrei> zakim, ??P1 is cgolbrei
zakim, ??P1 is cgolbrei ←
16:58:28 <Zakim> +cgolbrei; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cgolbrei; got it ←
16:58:30 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
16:58:30 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
16:58:31 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
16:58:58 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
16:59:02 <bmotik> Zakim, ??P3 is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??P3 is me ←
16:59:02 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
16:59:05 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
16:59:05 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
16:59:11 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
16:59:11 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
16:59:19 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
17:00:01 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
17:00:14 <pfps> pfps has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.10.01/Agenda
Peter Patel-Schneider: pfps has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.10.01/Agenda ←
17:00:44 <cgolbrei> zakim, mute me
zakim, mute me ←
17:00:44 <Zakim> cgolbrei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: cgolbrei should now be muted ←
17:01:00 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aaaa ←
17:01:12 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
17:01:15 <baojie> Zakim, aaaa is baojie
Jie Bao: Zakim, aaaa is baojie ←
17:01:15 <Zakim> +baojie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie; got it ←
17:02:18 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
17:02:41 <Carsten> zakim, ??p13 is me
Unknown Carsten: zakim, ??p13 is me ←
17:02:45 <Zakim> +Carsten; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Carsten; got it ←
17:02:58 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alan_Ruttenberg ←
17:03:08 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
17:03:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see cgolbrei (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten, Alan_Ruttenberg
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cgolbrei (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten, Alan_Ruttenberg ←
17:03:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see uli, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, cgolbrei, Zakim, bmotik, ivan, baojie, Carsten, alanr, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see uli, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, cgolbrei, Zakim, bmotik, ivan, baojie, Carsten, alanr, sandro, trackbot ←
17:03:51 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aabb ←
17:04:05 <Zhe> zakim, mute me
17:04:05 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
17:04:31 <Carsten> zakim, mute me
Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me ←
17:04:31 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should now be muted ←
17:04:49 <Zakim> - +1.603.897.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.603.897.aabb ←
17:04:56 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
17:04:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see cgolbrei (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cgolbrei (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg ←
17:04:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see Zhe1, bcuencagrau, uli, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, cgolbrei, Zakim, bmotik, ivan, baojie, Carsten, alanr, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Zhe1, bcuencagrau, uli, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, cgolbrei, Zakim, bmotik, ivan, baojie, Carsten, alanr, sandro, trackbot ←
17:05:18 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aacc ←
17:05:28 <Zhe1> Zakim, +1.603.897.acc is me
Zhe Wu: Zakim, +1.603.897.acc is me ←
17:05:28 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '+1.603.897.acc'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '+1.603.897.acc' ←
17:05:36 <Zakim> +??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17 ←
17:05:43 <Zhe1> Zakim, +1.603.897.accc is me
Zhe Wu: Zakim, +1.603.897.accc is me ←
17:05:43 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '+1.603.897.accc'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '+1.603.897.accc' ←
17:05:44 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
17:05:44 <uli> zakim, ??P17 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P17 is me ←
17:05:46 <Zakim> +uli; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it ←
17:05:48 <cgolbrei> thank you
thank you ←
17:05:54 <Zhe1> zakim, +1.603.897.aabb is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.603.897.aabb is me ←
17:05:54 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '+1.603.897.aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '+1.603.897.aabb' ←
17:06:04 <cgolbrei> Topic: Agenda amendments?
17:06:09 <Zhe1> zakim, 1.603.897.aabb is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, 1.603.897.aabb is me ←
17:06:09 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '1.603.897.aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '1.603.897.aabb' ←
17:06:21 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
17:06:34 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is me
Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is me ←
17:06:34 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it ←
17:06:36 <Zakim> - +1.603.897.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.603.897.aacc ←
17:07:41 <sandro> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Previous Minutes (17 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-17
PROPOSED: Accept Previous Previous Minutes (17 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-17 ←
17:07:52 <cgolbrei> unmute me
unmute me ←
17:08:05 <sandro> Zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: Zakim, who is here? ←
17:08:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see cgolbrei (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg, uli, ??P19, Achille
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cgolbrei (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg, uli, ??P19, Achille ←
17:08:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see msmith, bcuencagrau, Achille, uli, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, cgolbrei, Zakim, bmotik, ivan, baojie, Carsten, alanr, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see msmith, bcuencagrau, Achille, uli, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, cgolbrei, Zakim, bmotik, ivan, baojie, Carsten, alanr, sandro, trackbot ←
17:08:13 <Zakim> +msmith
Zakim IRC Bot: +msmith ←
17:08:37 <cgolbrei> zakim, unmute me
zakim, unmute me ←
17:08:37 <Zakim> cgolbrei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: cgolbrei should no longer be muted ←
17:08:47 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aadd ←
17:08:58 <Zhe> zakim, + +1.603.897.aadd is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, + +1.603.897.aadd is me ←
17:08:58 <Zakim> I don't understand '+ +1.603.897.aadd is me', Zhe
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '+ +1.603.897.aadd is me', Zhe ←
17:09:06 <uli> ivan, ??P19 could be bernardo?
Uli Sattler: ivan, ??P19 could be bernardo? ←
17:09:10 <Zhe> zakim, +1.603.897.aadd is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.603.897.aadd is me ←
17:09:10 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it ←
17:09:16 <Zhe> thank god!
17:09:21 <pfps> the *current* version of the minutes of 17 Sept is OK (but in a slightly strange state)
Peter Patel-Schneider: the *current* version of the minutes of 17 Sept is OK (but in a slightly strange state) ←
17:09:25 <Zhe> zakim, mute me
17:09:25 <Zakim> Zhe should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should now be muted ←
17:09:34 <ivan> zakim, ??P19 is bernardo
Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P19 is bernardo ←
17:09:34 <Zakim> +bernardo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bernardo; got it ←
17:09:47 <cgolbrei> Peter: minutes are incorrect
Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes are incorrect ←
17:09:58 <msmith> that could be my mistake
Michael Smith: that could be my mistake ←
17:10:29 <sandro> like this: {{Issue|137}}
Sandro Hawke: like this: {{Issue|137}} ←
17:10:50 <cgolbrei> sandro: formatting problem
Sandro Hawke: formatting problem ←
17:11:13 <sandro> RESOLVED: Accept Previous Previous Minutes (17 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-17 -- with possible formatting fixes on ACTION/ISSUE links to be done.
RESOLVED: Accept Previous Previous Minutes (17 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-17 -- with possible formatting fixes on ACTION/ISSUE links to be done. ←
17:11:24 <sandro> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (24 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-24
PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (24 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-24 ←
17:11:50 <pfps> 24 Sept minutes are minimally acceptable
Peter Patel-Schneider: 24 Sept minutes are minimally acceptable ←
17:12:16 <Carsten> zakim, unmute me
Unknown Carsten: zakim, unmute me ←
17:12:16 <Zakim> Carsten should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should no longer be muted ←
17:13:09 <cgolbrei> Carsten : will do further polishing, propose to accept them
Carsten : will do further polishing, propose to accept them ←
17:13:11 <Carsten> zakim, mute me
Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me ←
17:13:11 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should now be muted ←
17:13:16 <pfps> OK
17:13:18 <sandro> RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (24 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-24 -- with possible future improvements
RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (24 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-24 -- with possible future improvements ←
17:13:41 <cgolbrei> Topic: Pending Review Actions
17:13:42 <sandro> action-214?
17:13:42 <trackbot> ACTION-214 -- Michael Smith to edit previous minutes to reflect michael sch's complaint -- due 2008-10-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-214 -- Michael Smith to edit previous minutes to reflect michael sch's complaint -- due 2008-10-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW ←
17:13:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/214
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/214 ←
17:14:03 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←
17:14:15 <sandro> action-214 closed
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-214 closed ←
17:14:18 <trackbot> ACTION-214 Edit previous minutes to reflect michael sch's complaint closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-214 Edit previous minutes to reflect michael sch's complaint closed ←
17:14:27 <Zakim> -MarkusK_
Zakim IRC Bot: -MarkusK_ ←
17:14:30 <sandro> action-202?
17:14:30 <trackbot> ACTION-202 -- Alan Ruttenberg to have another try at punning proposal in the light of discussion with peter and come up with test cases -- due 2008-09-09 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-202 -- Alan Ruttenberg to have another try at punning proposal in the light of discussion with peter and come up with test cases -- due 2008-09-09 -- OPEN ←
17:14:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/202
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/202 ←
17:14:37 <sandro> action-174?
17:14:37 <trackbot> ACTION-174 -- Bijan Parsia to provide an rdf serialization for his rich annotation proposal -- due 2008-09-11 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-174 -- Bijan Parsia to provide an rdf serialization for his rich annotation proposal -- due 2008-09-11 -- OPEN ←
17:14:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/174
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/174 ←
17:14:45 <pfps> status of overdue actions 189 and 207?
Peter Patel-Schneider: status of overdue actions 189 and 207? ←
17:14:53 <sandro> action-189?
17:14:53 <trackbot> ACTION-189 -- Alan Ruttenberg to review RDF Mapping -- due 2008-09-08 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-189 -- Alan Ruttenberg to review RDF Mapping -- due 2008-09-08 -- OPEN ←
17:14:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/189
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/189 ←
17:15:06 <sandro> action-207?
17:15:07 <trackbot> ACTION-207 -- Sandro Hawke to keep rdf:text publication on track -- due 2008-09-23 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-207 -- Sandro Hawke to keep rdf:text publication on track -- due 2008-09-23 -- OPEN ←
17:15:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/207
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/207 ←
17:15:51 <cgolbrei> Topic: Fourth Face-to-Face (F2F) Meeting, have to register
17:15:46 <msmith> I had to change my status, it is now unlikely I will be at f2f4
Michael Smith: I had to change my status, it is now unlikely I will be at f2f4 ←
17:15:51 <bmotik> I haven't registered yet because I don't know whehter my visa status in UK will have been resolved by then
Boris Motik: I haven't registered yet because I don't know whehter my visa status in UK will have been resolved by then ←
17:16:00 <sandro> Topic: Reviewing and Publishing
17:17:27 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:17:27 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
00:00:00 <cgolbrei> Subtopic: Profiles
17:17:57 <cgolbrei> bmotik: addressed comments from Ian, Jeff, Ivan and sent report
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Boris Motik: addressed comments from Ian, Jeff, Ivan and sent report ←
17:18:12 <ivan> I am fine
Ivan Herman: I am fine ←
17:18:26 <cgolbrei> Peter: found the comments are fine, so nothing more TBD
Peter Patel-Schneider: found the comments are fine, so nothing more TBD ←
17:18:31 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:18:31 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:19:33 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Reviewing
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Reviewing ←
17:19:51 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:20:01 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
17:20:03 <ivan> ack iva
Ivan Herman: ack iva ←
17:20:26 <cgolbrei> ivan: rdf is not in the list
Ivan Herman: rdf is not in the list ←
17:20:27 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:20:30 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:20:30 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:20:49 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
17:21:16 <pfps> which document is this about?
Peter Patel-Schneider: which document is this about? ←
17:21:21 <ivan> about rdf:text
Ivan Herman: about rdf:text ←
17:21:33 <pfps> in our syntax document?
Peter Patel-Schneider: in our syntax document? ←
17:21:44 <cgolbrei> bmotik: facets included but will take a quick look for built-in functions
Boris Motik: facets included but will take a quick look for built-in functions ←
17:22:19 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:22:36 <bmotik> q-
Boris Motik: q- ←
17:23:26 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:23:26 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:23:27 <baojie> I thought Sandro made a snap shot of the wiki document
Jie Bao: I thought Sandro made a snap shot of the wiki document ←
17:23:34 <pfps> Boris's plan sounds perfect
Peter Patel-Schneider: Boris's plan sounds perfect ←
17:23:57 <bmotik> Syntax
Boris Motik: Syntax ←
17:24:01 <bmotik> RDF Semantic
Boris Motik: RDF Semantic ←
17:24:07 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:24:07 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:26:12 <cgolbrei> Action: Jie get to the RIF to ensure that RDF changes are done properly
ACTION: Jie get to the RIF to ensure that RDF changes are done properly ←
17:26:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-217 - Get to the RIF to ensure that RDF changes are done properly [on Jie Bao - due 2008-10-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-217 - Get to the RIF to ensure that RDF changes are done properly [on Jie Bao - due 2008-10-08]. ←
17:26:16 <alanr> process for rdf:text : have RIF make last changes. Get 3 reviewers/reviews. Vote to publish. RIF does same.
Alan Ruttenberg: process for rdf:text : have RIF make last changes. Get 3 reviewers/reviews. Vote to publish. RIF does same. ←
17:26:47 <sandro> (On the RIF side, there's RIF action 603: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/actions/603 )
Sandro Hawke: (On the RIF side, there's RIF ACTION-603: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/actions/603 ) ←
17:27:20 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/images/8/8b/Owl2-refcard_2008-10-01.pdf
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/images/8/8b/Owl2-refcard_2008-10-01.pdf ←
17:27:55 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:27:55 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:27:57 <cgolbrei> Subtopic: Quick Reference Guide
17:27:57 <pfps> i'll review the QRG
Peter Patel-Schneider: i'll review the QRG ←
17:28:46 <ivan> i can review it, but I will be out of circulation most of next week
Ivan Herman: i can review it, but I will be out of circulation most of next week ←
17:28:52 <pfps> Action: pfps review QRG
ACTION: pfps review QRG ←
17:28:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-218 - Review QRG [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-10-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-218 - Review QRG [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-10-08]. ←
17:29:09 <ivan> action: ivan to review QRG
ACTION: ivan to review QRG ←
17:29:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-219 - Review QRG [on Ivan Herman - due 2008-10-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-219 - Review QRG [on Ivan Herman - due 2008-10-08]. ←
17:29:17 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
17:29:17 <Zakim> uli was not muted, uli
Zakim IRC Bot: uli was not muted, uli ←
17:29:45 <Achille> I can do it, but for November 15
Achille Fokoue: I can do it, but for November 15 ←
17:30:49 <cgolbrei> Uli: will also review QRG
Uli Sattler: will also review QRG ←
17:30:56 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
17:31:34 <cgolbrei> question about the various syntaxes
question about the various syntaxes ←
17:31:59 <ivan> October 15 should be o.k. with me, too
Ivan Herman: October 15 should be o.k. with me, too ←
17:32:07 <cgolbrei> ... 3 reviewers for november 15
informative OWL 2 version of SKOS 3 reviewers for october 15 ←
17:32:16 <uli> October 30?!
Uli Sattler: October 30?! ←
17:32:24 <cgolbrei> s/november/october/
17:32:38 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
17:32:38 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
17:33:20 <sandro> ACTION: Uli review the RefCard by end of October
ACTION: Uli review the RefCard by end of October ←
17:33:20 <ivan> ivan
Ivan Herman: ivan ←
17:33:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-220 - Review the RefCard by end of October [on Uli Sattler - due 2008-10-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-220 - Review the RefCard by end of October [on Uli Sattler - due 2008-10-08]. ←
17:33:31 <pfps> the actions have already been made
Peter Patel-Schneider: the actions have already been made ←
17:33:48 <sandro> action-220 due 2008-10-31
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-220 due 2008-10-31 ←
17:33:48 <trackbot> ACTION-220 Review the RefCard by end of October due date now 2008-10-31
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-220 Review the RefCard by end of October due date now 2008-10-31 ←
17:34:09 <sandro> action: ivan review RefCard - due 2008-10-31
ACTION: ivan review RefCard - due 2008-10-31 ←
17:34:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - review RefCard [on Ivan Herman - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-221 - review RefCard [on Ivan Herman - due 2008-10-31]. ←
17:34:19 <sandro> pfps, were you the third reviewer?
Sandro Hawke: pfps, were you the third reviewer? ←
17:34:54 <pfps> yes, I'm the third (man), wait for me :-)
Peter Patel-Schneider: yes, I'm the third (man), wait for me :-) ←
17:35:19 <sandro> action: pfps to review RefCard - due 2008-10-31
ACTION: pfps to review RefCard - due 2008-10-31 ←
17:35:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-222 - review RefCard [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-222 - review RefCard [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-10-31]. ←
17:34:02 <cgolbrei> Subtopic: Requirements
17:36:26 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ←
17:37:44 <ivan> I will close the first one which has wrong date anyway
Ivan Herman: I will close the first one which has wrong date anyway ←
17:39:38 <Zhe> zakim, unmute me
17:39:38 <Zakim> Zhe should no longer be muted
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17:40:45 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:41:08 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:41:08 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:41:15 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
17:41:18 <Achille> q+
Achille Fokoue: q+ ←
17:41:19 <Zhe> zakim, mute me
17:41:19 <Zakim> Zhe should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should now be muted ←
17:43:28 <ewallace> What Alan said was my intent.
Evan Wallace: What Alan said was my intent. ←
17:44:01 <Carsten> Have to leave, sorry. Bye everybody.
Unknown Carsten: Have to leave, sorry. Bye everybody. ←
17:44:25 <Zakim> -Carsten
Zakim IRC Bot: -Carsten ←
17:44:34 <alanr> ack achille
Alan Ruttenberg: ack achille ←
17:44:55 <bmotik> ACTION: bmotik2 to Fill in some TBDs (keys and declarations) in the Requirements document
ACTION: bmotik2 to Fill in some TBDs (keys and declarations) in the Requirements document ←
17:44:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-223 - Fill in some TBDs (keys and declarations) in the Requirements docuement [on Boris Motik - due 2008-10-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-223 - Fill in some TBDs (keys and declarations) in the Requirements docuement [on Boris Motik - due 2008-10-08]. ←
17:45:25 <sandro> Achille, are you doing the action or am I?
Sandro Hawke: Achille, are you doing the action or am I? ←
17:46:17 <cgolbrei> ACTION: Zhe, Achille, Boris to make it before F2F
ACTION: Zhe, Achille, Boris to make it before F2F ←
17:46:17 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Zhe,
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Zhe, ←
17:46:19 <Achille> Sandro, please do it - I've never done it before it will probably take me more time than you.
Achille Fokoue: Sandro, please do it - I've never done it before it will probably take me more time than you. ←
17:46:36 <Zhe> :)
17:47:16 <cgolbrei> ACTION: Zhe to fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F
ACTION: Zhe to fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F ←
17:47:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-224 - Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu - due 2008-10-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-224 - Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu - due 2008-10-08]. ←
17:47:39 <Zhe> I will change the date
Zhe Wu: I will change the date ←
17:47:44 <cgolbrei> ACTION: Boris to Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu - due 2008-10-08
ACTION: Boris to Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu - due 2008-10-08 ←
17:47:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-225 - Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu [on Boris Motik - due 2008-10-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-225 - Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu [on Boris Motik - due 2008-10-08]. ←
17:48:11 <sandro> 225 duplicated 223. I'll close 225
Sandro Hawke: 225 duplicated 223. I'll close 225 ←
17:48:15 <sandro> action-225 closed
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-225 closed ←
17:48:15 <trackbot> ACTION-225 Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-225 Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu closed ←
17:48:17 <cgolbrei> ACTION: Achille to Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F
ACTION: Achille to Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F ←
17:48:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-226 - Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Achille Fokoue - due 2008-10-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-226 - Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Achille Fokoue - due 2008-10-08]. ←
17:49:48 <sandro> action-224 due 2008-10-20
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-224 due 2008-10-20 ←
17:49:48 <trackbot> ACTION-224 Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F due date now 2008-10-20
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-224 Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F due date now 2008-10-20 ←
17:49:53 <sandro> action-226 due 2008-10-20
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-226 due 2008-10-20 ←
17:49:53 <trackbot> ACTION-226 Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F due date now 2008-10-20
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-226 Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F due date now 2008-10-20 ←
17:48:23 <cgolbrei> Topic:Issues
17:48:24 <cgolbrei> Subtopic: Issue 134 Metamodel for OWL 2
17:48:33 <pfps> I'm confused, isn't the metamodel an issue?
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm confused, isn't the metamodel an issue? ←
17:51:11 <alanr> action: alanr to ask elisa, conrad if they will review metamodel
ACTION: alanr to ask elisa, conrad if they will review metamodel ←
17:51:11 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr ←
17:51:15 <ewallace> Alan was just speaking
Evan Wallace: Alan was just speaking ←
17:51:16 <uli> Alan was "me"
Uli Sattler: Alan was "me" ←
17:51:40 <cgolbrei> Action : alanr an email to Elisa and other interested person about metamodel
Action : alanr an email to Elisa and other interested person about metamodel ←
17:51:40 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr ←
17:51:52 <sandro> ACTION: alan to email to Elisa and other interested person about metamodel
ACTION: alan to email to Elisa and other interested person about metamodel ←
17:51:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-227 - Email to Elisa and other interesyed person about metamodel [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-10-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-227 - Email to Elisa and other interesyed person about metamodel [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-10-08]. ←
17:52:12 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/0044.html
Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/0044.html ←
17:54:29 <cgolbrei> Subtopic: SKOS review
17:54:30 <cgolbrei> Peter: issue about SKOS Reference
Peter Patel-Schneider: issue about SKOS Reference ←
17:54:57 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/att-0044/review-schneid-skos-reference-lc.pdf
Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/att-0044/review-schneid-skos-reference-lc.pdf ←
17:55:41 <alanr> comments are embedded in pdf, and peter can't see what the comments are.
Alan Ruttenberg: comments are embedded in pdf, and peter can't see what the comments are. ←
17:55:45 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:56:03 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
17:57:45 <cgolbrei> Ivan: comments on the pdf have also been made accessible by email
Ivan Herman: comments on the pdf have also been made accessible by email ←
17:57:55 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:58:02 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:58:02 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:58:12 <ivan> first mail on Michael's review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/0070.html
Ivan Herman: first mail on Michael's review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/0070.html ←
17:58:13 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
17:58:17 <uli> it would be nice
Uli Sattler: it would be nice ←
18:00:00 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
18:00:21 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
18:00:21 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted ←
18:00:21 <alanr> uli
Alan Ruttenberg: uli ←
18:01:01 <pfps> 3 October!
Peter Patel-Schneider: 3 October! ←
18:01:07 <cgolbrei> uli: discussed with Sean to know what can be done
Uli Sattler: discussed with Sean to know what can be done ←
18:01:33 <pfps> I believe that it may be possible to have an informative OWL 2 version of SKOS
Peter Patel-Schneider: I believe that it may be possible to have an informative OWL 2 version of SKOS ←
18:01:39 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
18:01:46 <pfps> q+
18:01:46 <alanr> ack uli
Alan Ruttenberg: ack uli ←
18:02:03 <alanr> ack sandro
Alan Ruttenberg: ack sandro ←
18:02:13 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
18:02:13 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
18:02:40 <pfps> can you say LPU?
Peter Patel-Schneider: can you say LPU? ←
18:03:05 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:03:09 <alanr> q+ alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ alanr ←
18:04:02 <cgolbrei> pfps: nothing says that the XML document is normative
Peter Patel-Schneider: nothing says that the XML document is normative ←
18:05:12 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
18:06:24 <pfps> q+ to ask for an example of moving to OWL 2 will help junkiness
Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ to ask for an example of moving to OWL 2 will help junkiness ←
18:06:32 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:06:32 <Zakim> pfps, you wanted to ask for an example of moving to OWL 2 will help junkiness
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, you wanted to ask for an example of moving to OWL 2 will help junkiness ←
18:07:22 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:08:42 <pfps> q+ to ask about "one preferential label per language"
Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ to ask about "one preferential label per language" ←
18:08:50 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:08:50 <Zakim> pfps, you wanted to ask about "one preferential label per language"
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, you wanted to ask about "one preferential label per language" ←
18:08:56 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
18:09:33 <cgolbrei> ivan: one thing to say them that some things can be done better by OWL2
Ivan Herman: one thing to say them that some things can be done better by OWL2 ←
18:09:48 <alanr> I watch the list and participated in some of the discussions early on. I think there would be real benefit
Alan Ruttenberg: I watch the list and participated in some of the discussions early on. I think there would be real benefit ←
18:09:55 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:12:52 <cgolbrei> pfps: ask SKOS whether they would like to have an informative version of SKOS?
Peter Patel-Schneider: ask SKOS whether they would like to have an informative version of SKOS? ←
18:13:11 <pfps> I think that a WG note with this sole comment would be good idea
Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that a WG note with this sole comment would be good idea ←
18:13:19 <alanr> 1) Send Peters review as WG review as is
Alan Ruttenberg: 1) Send Peters review as WG review as is ←
18:13:22 <pfps> s/.../informative OWL 2 version of SKOS/
18:13:33 <alanr> 2) Have Peter send review as personal
Alan Ruttenberg: 2) Have Peter send review as personal ←
18:13:59 <alanr> 3) Add note asking for (in some emphatic way) an informative OWL 2 rendering of SKOS as part of their output, with our help
Alan Ruttenberg: 3) Add note asking for (in some emphatic way) an informative OWL 2 rendering of SKOS as part of their output, with our help ←
18:14:13 <alanr> 0) don't care
Alan Ruttenberg: 0) don't care ←
18:14:23 <pfps> 2+3
Peter Patel-Schneider: 2+3 ←
18:14:31 <msmith> +3
Michael Smith: +3 ←
18:14:35 <uli> 2+3
Uli Sattler: 2+3 ←
18:14:43 <MarkusK_> +3
Markus Krötzsch: +3 ←
18:14:44 <alanr> +3
Alan Ruttenberg: +3 ←
18:14:45 <ivan> +3
Ivan Herman: +3 ←
18:14:50 <Zhe> +3
18:14:52 <ewallace> 3
Evan Wallace: 3 ←
18:14:55 <Achille> 3
Achille Fokoue: 3 ←
18:15:00 <cgolbrei> cgolbrei: 1 or 2 + 3
Christine Golbreich: 1 or 2 + 3 ←
18:15:12 <sandro> 3
Sandro Hawke: 3 ←
18:15:48 <pfps> action pfps revise note to SKOS as WG comment
Peter Patel-Schneider: action pfps revise note to SKOS as WG comment ←
18:15:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-228 - Revise note to SKOS as WG comment [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-10-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-228 - Revise note to SKOS as WG comment [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-10-08]. ←
18:19:20 <cgolbrei> ivan: SKOS will probably answer go ahead but dont' see the group will do the OWL 2 rendering of SKOS
Ivan Herman: SKOS will probably answer go ahead but dont' see the group will do the OWL 2 rendering of SKOS ←
18:19:50 <cgolbrei> Subtopic: Issue 138 Name of dateTime datatype recent progress in discussion w/XML Schema WG
18:19:51 <pfps> q+
18:19:53 <msmith> q+
Michael Smith: q+ ←
18:19:55 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:20:27 <msmith> q-
Michael Smith: q- ←
18:20:50 <msmith> q+
Michael Smith: q+ ←
18:20:56 <sandro> Pfps: essentially we're using Schema's Equality instead of Identity, inside OWL.
Peter Patel-Schneider: essentially we're using Schema's Equality instead of Identity, inside OWL. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:21:18 <alanr> ack msmith
Alan Ruttenberg: ack msmith ←
18:21:26 <sandro> pfps: We're using your equality as Real Equality, instead of as some kind of equivalence class -- and they seem to be okay with that.
Peter Patel-Schneider: We're using your equality as Real Equality, instead of as some kind of equivalence class -- and they seem to be okay with that. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:21:55 <alanr> q+ alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ alanr ←
18:21:58 <sandro> mike: This came up wrt float and decimal being disjoint, and they said No, Clear We Want Them To Be The Same Number. That might be different here.
Michael Smith: This came up wrt float and decimal being disjoint, and they said No, Clear We Want Them To Be The Same Number. That might be different here. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:22:07 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
18:22:08 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:22:19 <sandro> pfps: i think Mike's right, and I am too. They seem to be receptive to even more conflation.
Peter Patel-Schneider: i think Mike's right, and I am too. They seem to be receptive to even more conflation. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:22:36 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:22:36 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:23:57 <sandro> Boris: Equality in our case is used only for facets -- everything else in OWL is based on Identity. It's a fine line whether this is similar to what we had with numerics. From a logic point of view it's obvious to treat 1^^int as the same as 1^^float -- the distinction XSD had for this was pragmatic, but odd for logic, where you don't have casting.
Boris Motik: Equality in our case is used only for facets -- everything else in OWL is based on Identity. It's a fine line whether this is similar to what we had with numerics. From a logic point of view it's obvious to treat 1^^int as the same as 1^^float -- the distinction XSD had for this was pragmatic, but odd for logic, where you don't have casting. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:24:28 <sandro> Boris: So I think first of all, our decision wrt numerics was what people expected. We can use the same arguments for dateTime, but I think we're going further.
Boris Motik: So I think first of all, our decision wrt numerics was what people expected. We can use the same arguments for dateTime, but I think we're going further. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:25:02 <pfps> XML Schema is adding a sub-type of xsd:dateTime with required timezon
Peter Patel-Schneider: XML Schema is adding a sub-type of xsd:dateTime with required timezon ←
18:25:03 <Zakim> -bernardo
Zakim IRC Bot: -bernardo ←
18:25:22 <sandro> Boris: So we should use a different namespace. That enables folks to use both.
Boris Motik: So we should use a different namespace. That enables folks to use both. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:25:44 <msmith> +1
Michael Smith: +1 ←
18:26:03 <msmith> ask them about ignoring identity/equality distinction
Michael Smith: ask them about ignoring identity/equality distinction ←
18:26:35 <sandro> pfps: They're going to add a facet and make a subtype (like we want) which requires timezeone.
Peter Patel-Schneider: They're going to add a facet and make a subtype (like we want) which requires timezeone. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:27:10 <sandro> pfps: The quesiton (the "abuse") is whether we can use their notion of equality as our notion of identity. I'm prepared to write to them and tell them exactly what we plan to do.
Peter Patel-Schneider: The quesiton (the "abuse") is whether we can use their notion of equality as our notion of identity. I'm prepared to write to them and tell them exactly what we plan to do. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:27:47 <sandro> pfps: I think we owe it to them to tell them exactly what we plan to do. I can couch it as "if you do this, we'll do such-and-such".
Peter Patel-Schneider: I think we owe it to them to tell them exactly what we plan to do. I can couch it as "if you do this, we'll do such-and-such". [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:27:51 <sandro> ivan: sounds good to me
Ivan Herman: sounds good to me [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:27:54 <sandro> alan: me too
Alan Ruttenberg: me too [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:28:08 <sandro> boris: Sure, sounds reasonable to me.
Boris Motik: Sure, sounds reasonable to me. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:28:30 <sandro> boris: If they don't see a problem, maybe they can put a note explaining this into their document, saying folks are free to do this.
Boris Motik: If they don't see a problem, maybe they can put a note explaining this into their document, saying folks are free to do this. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:28:43 <sandro> alan: Peter, please go ahead and do that.
Alan Ruttenberg: Peter, please go ahead and do that. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:28:50 <sandro> Peter: I'll do it!
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll do it! [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
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