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16:47:11 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/04/23-owl-irc
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16:47:28 <MartinD> Zakim, this will be OWLWG
Martin Dzbor: Zakim, this will be OWLWG ←
16:47:28 <Zakim> ok, MartinD; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 47 minutes ago
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16:47:49 <MartinD> ScribeNick: MartinD
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16:54:06 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
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16:54:16 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider
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16:54:17 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended
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16:54:17 <Zakim> Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider
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16:54:59 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started
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16:55:06 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
16:56:07 <pfps> zakim, this will be owlwg
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, this will be owlwg ←
16:56:07 <Zakim> ok, pfps; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 56 minutes ago
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pfps; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 56 minutes ago ←
16:56:20 <pfps> RRSAgent, make records public
Peter Patel-Schneider: RRSAgent, make records public ←
16:56:34 <pfps> I got kicked off a minute ago, so try again
Peter Patel-Schneider: I got kicked off a minute ago, so try again ←
16:58:09 <pfps> not since I turned off my speakers :-)
Peter Patel-Schneider: not since I turned off my speakers :-) ←
16:58:18 <Rinke> zakim, who is here
Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, who is here ←
16:58:18 <Zakim> Rinke, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: Rinke, you need to end that query with '?' ←
16:58:22 <Rinke> zakim, who is here?
Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, who is here? ←
16:58:22 <Zakim> I notice SW_OWL()12:00PM has restarted
Zakim IRC Bot: I notice SW_OWL()12:00PM has restarted ←
16:58:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P3, +90827aaaa, ??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P3, +90827aaaa, ??P6 ←
16:58:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro ←
16:58:46 <MartinD> Zakim, 908 is me
Zakim, 908 is me ←
16:58:47 <Zakim> sorry, MartinD, I do not recognize a party named '908'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, MartinD, I do not recognize a party named '908' ←
16:58:47 <bmotik> Zakim, ??P6 is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??P6 is me ←
16:58:47 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
16:58:52 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
16:58:52 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
16:58:55 <MartinD> Zakim, aaaa is me
Zakim, aaaa is me ←
16:58:56 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MartinD; got it ←
16:59:08 <Rinke> Zakim, who is here?
Rinke Hoekstra: Zakim, who is here? ←
16:59:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P3, MartinD, bmotik (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P3, MartinD, bmotik (muted) ←
16:59:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro ←
16:59:13 <Rinke> Zakim, ??P3 is me
Rinke Hoekstra: Zakim, ??P3 is me ←
16:59:13 <Zakim> +Rinke; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke; got it ←
16:59:16 <Rinke> zakim, mute me
Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, mute me ←
16:59:16 <Zakim> Rinke should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Rinke should now be muted ←
16:59:28 <MartinD> zakimm, mute me
zakimm, mute me ←
16:59:34 <MartinD> zakim, mute me
zakim, mute me ←
16:59:34 <Zakim> MartinD should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MartinD should now be muted ←
17:00:07 <Zakim> +??P30
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←
17:00:16 <Zakim> +??P35
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P35 ←
17:00:16 <bijan> zakim, ??p30 is me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??p30 is me ←
17:00:17 <Zakim> +bijan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it ←
17:00:22 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:00:22 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:00:28 <uli> zakim, ??P35 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P35 is me ←
17:00:28 <Zakim> +uli; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it ←
17:00:35 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
17:00:35 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
17:00:41 <Zakim> + +1.617.253.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.253.aabb ←
17:01:23 <Zakim> +diegoc
Zakim IRC Bot: +diegoc ←
17:01:45 <Zakim> +IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH ←
17:01:53 <Zakim> +msmith
Zakim IRC Bot: +msmith ←
17:02:06 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←
17:02:10 <alanr> markus, will you be able to scribe until end of call?
Alan Ruttenberg: markus, will you be able to scribe until end of call? ←
17:02:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
17:02:49 <sandro> IanH, I'm going to be a bit late to the meeting, sorry.
Sandro Hawke: IanH, I'm going to be a bit late to the meeting, sorry. ←
17:02:51 <bijan> I request tha nary-data predicates be put on the General Discussions list
Bijan Parsia: I request tha nary-data predicates be put on the General Discussions list ←
17:03:08 <bijan> There is quite a worked out proposal: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/N-ary_Data_predicate_proposal
Bijan Parsia: There is quite a worked out proposal: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/N-ary_Data_predicate_proposal ←
17:03:12 <MartinD> Topic: Roll call
17:03:17 <ewallace> Agenda amendments: I have change the deadline for action 112 so this need not be discussed
Evan Wallace: Agenda amendments: I have change the deadline for ACTION-112 so this need not be discussed ←
17:03:26 <alanr> noted
Alan Ruttenberg: noted ←
17:03:45 <bijan> And there is an issue: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/5
Bijan Parsia: And there is an issue: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/5 ←
17:03:46 <bijan> Great
Bijan Parsia: Great ←
17:03:50 <MartinD> zakim, unmute me
zakim, unmute me ←
17:03:50 <Zakim> MartinD should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MartinD should no longer be muted ←
17:04:10 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
17:04:33 <alanr> no
Alan Ruttenberg: no ←
17:04:40 <MarkusK> alanr, I think so -- is there another scribe before me or am I the only one?
Markus Krötzsch: alanr, I think so -- is there another scribe before me or am I the only one? ←
17:04:40 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
17:04:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan (muted), uli (muted), +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc (muted), IanH (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan (muted), uli (muted), +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc (muted), IanH (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace, ←
17:04:45 <Zakim> ... MarkusK, jeremy_
Zakim IRC Bot: ... MarkusK, jeremy_ ←
17:04:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, diegoc, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, diegoc, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro ←
17:05:01 <MartinD> I am scribing.... no probs... things setup
I am scribing.... no probs... things setup ←
17:05:23 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
17:05:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan (muted), uli (muted), +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc (muted), IanH (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan (muted), uli (muted), +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc (muted), IanH (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace, ←
17:05:27 <Zakim> ... MarkusK, JeremyCarroll
Zakim IRC Bot: ... MarkusK, JeremyCarroll ←
17:05:28 <MartinD> alanr: we're starting
Alan Ruttenberg: we're starting ←
17:05:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, diegoc, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, diegoc, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro ←
17:05:44 <alanr> zakim,aabb is me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim,aabb is me ←
17:05:44 <Zakim> +alanr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +alanr; got it ←
17:06:00 <MartinD> Topic: Agenda amendments
17:06:19 <MartinD> Alanr: F2F - we're settling 18-29 July at MIT
Alan Ruttenberg: F2F - we're settling 18-29 July at MIT ←
17:06:28 <alanr> 28-29
Alan Ruttenberg: 28-29 ←
17:06:31 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aacc ←
17:06:34 <MartinD> a/18/28
a/18/28 ←
17:06:43 <baojie> Zakim, aacc is baojie
Jie Bao: Zakim, aacc is baojie ←
17:06:43 <Zakim> +baojie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie; got it ←
17:06:43 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:07:01 <alanr> zakim, who is talking
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is talking ←
17:07:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', alanr
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', alanr ←
17:07:14 <IanH> Is it just me or has the line gone dead?
Ian Horrocks: Is it just me or has the line gone dead? ←
17:07:23 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, who is speaking?
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, who is speaking? ←
17:07:23 <diegoc> i hear just static
Diego Calvanese: i hear just static ←
17:07:27 <alanr> static
Alan Ruttenberg: static ←
17:07:31 <IanH> here too
Ian Horrocks: here too ←
17:07:36 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds ←
17:07:40 <JeremyCarroll> liar
Jeremy Carroll: liar ←
17:07:49 <ewallace> Sound like background noise
Evan Wallace: Sound like background noise ←
17:07:49 <alanr> mutes baojie
Alan Ruttenberg: mutes baojie ←
17:07:56 <alanr> zakim, mute baojie
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, mute baojie ←
17:07:56 <Zakim> baojie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: baojie should now be muted ←
17:08:00 <IanH> better!
Ian Horrocks: better! ←
17:08:20 <MartinD> Alanr: F2F - we're settling 28-29 July at MIT
Alan Ruttenberg: F2F - we're settling 28-29 July at MIT ←
17:08:35 <Rinke> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/41712/f2f3_dates/results
Rinke Hoekstra: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/41712/f2f3_dates/results ←
17:08:38 <MartinD> alanr: topic on issues raised and how handled
Alan Ruttenberg: topic on issues raised and how handled ←
17:09:01 <MartinD> alanr: talking to IanH and things are going to change how issues are handled, raised,
Alan Ruttenberg: talking to IanH and things are going to change how issues are handled, raised, ←
17:09:14 <MartinD> alanr: there was an email about first batch of issues to review
Alan Ruttenberg: there was an email about first batch of issues to review ←
17:09:32 <MartinD> Topic: Pending actions
17:10:13 <MartinD> alanr: four points - update on RDF mapping (ISSUE 115)
Alan Ruttenberg: four points - update on RDF mapping (ISSUE-115) ←
17:10:32 <MartinD> alanr: ISSUE 137, ISSUE 120, ISSUE 138
Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-137, ISSUE-120, ISSUE-138 ←
17:10:58 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:11:01 <MartinD> {Action|115} Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion/Boris
{Action|115} Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion/Boris ←
17:11:13 <MartinD> PROPOSED: the above issues to be considered done
PROPOSED: the above issues to be considered done ←
17:11:26 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:11:26 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:11:27 <bijan> My overdue acitions got siderailed by the easyclasskey discussion so remain undone
Bijan Parsia: My overdue acitions got siderailed by the easyclasskey discussion so remain undone ←
17:11:31 <bijan> Should be done in a few days
Bijan Parsia: Should be done in a few days ←
17:11:37 <MartinD> RESOLVED: SSUE 137, ISSUE 120, ISSUE 138, ISSUE 115 done
RESOLVED: SSUE 137, ISSUE-120, ISSUE-138, ISSUE-115 done ←
17:11:43 <MartinD> Topic: Previous minutes
17:11:52 <pfps> minimally acceptable - scribes should prefix their comments with their names
Peter Patel-Schneider: minimally acceptable - scribes should prefix their comments with their names ←
17:11:54 <MartinD> alanr: are minutes acceptable?
Alan Ruttenberg: are minutes acceptable? ←
17:12:13 <uli> I will change my comments...
Uli Sattler: I will change my comments... ←
17:12:19 <MartinD> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (16 April)
PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (16 April) ←
17:12:37 <MartinD> RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (16 April)
RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (16 April) ←
17:13:04 <MartinD> Action 115 (Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion/Boris)
ACTION-115 (Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion/Boris) ←
17:13:06 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:13:06 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:13:10 <bijan> Scroll up in the log
Bijan Parsia: Scroll up in the log ←
17:13:25 <bijan> bijan : My overdue acitions got siderailed by the easyclasskey discussion so remain undone
Bijan Parsia: bijan : My overdue acitions got siderailed by the easyclasskey discussion so remain undone ←
17:13:25 <bijan> bijan : Should be done in a few days
Bijan Parsia: bijan : Should be done in a few days ←
17:13:29 <MartinD> bijan: should be done in a few days
Bijan Parsia: should be done in a few days ←
17:14:09 <MartinD> Jeremy: to review doc on OWL compatibility with RIF - prob. mid May
Jeremy Carroll: to review doc on OWL compatibility with RIF - prob. mid May ←
17:14:31 <MartinD> Topic: Raised Issues
17:14:37 <MartinD> alanr: will be timed to 30 mins
Alan Ruttenberg: will be timed to 30 mins ←
17:15:02 <MartinD> alanr: two raised issues 113 (http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/113)
Alan Ruttenberg: two raised issues 113 (http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/113) ←
17:15:28 <MartinD> alanr: Open/Shut per Jeremy's note (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0198.html)
Alan Ruttenberg: Open/Shut per Jeremy's note (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0198.html) ←
17:15:39 <JeremyCarroll> issue-113: I am OK with this (but still -epsilon vote!)
Scribe problem: the name 'issue-113' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown issue-113: I am OK with this (but still -epsilon vote!) [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
17:15:40 <MartinD> alanr: Issue 115 Icon needed for the WG pages.
Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-115 Icon needed for the WG pages. ←
17:15:42 <pfps> i'll remind him
Peter Patel-Schneider: i'll remind him ←
17:15:49 <MartinD> alanr: minor change, not related to OWL
Alan Ruttenberg: minor change, not related to OWL ←
17:16:05 <MartinD> alanr: Issue 120 Bug fixes to OWL 1 Semantics/Backwards compatibility
Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-120 Bug fixes to OWL 1 Semantics/Backwards compatibility ←
17:16:20 <MartinD> alanr: considered editorial, already updated to reflect the issue
Alan Ruttenberg: considered editorial, already updated to reflect the issue ←
17:16:22 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:16:25 <MartinD> alanr: any further issues
Alan Ruttenberg: any further issues ←
17:16:36 <MartinD> alanr: proposals to resolve issues
Alan Ruttenberg: proposals to resolve issues ←
17:16:59 <MartinD> alanr: {Issue|22} Syntactic sugar for a rule, per email
Alan Ruttenberg: {Issue|22} Syntactic sugar for a rule, per email ←
17:17:05 <MarkusK> q+
Markus Krötzsch: q+ ←
17:17:11 <JeremyCarroll> +1
Jeremy Carroll: +1 ←
17:17:11 <MartinD> alanr: we suggest to close it with no action
Alan Ruttenberg: we suggest to close it with no action ←
17:17:16 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:17:50 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to mention possibility of postponement
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to mention possibility of postponement ←
17:17:55 <MartinD> markusk: ok to close but there are some issues that may violate rules in the future, in theory problematic
Markus Krötzsch: ok to close but there are some issues that may violate rules in the future, in theory problematic ←
17:17:58 <uli> q+ to comment
Uli Sattler: q+ to comment ←
17:18:05 <MartinD> alanr: does this affect spec?
Alan Ruttenberg: does this affect spec? ←
17:18:15 <alanr> ack Markus
Alan Ruttenberg: ack Markus ←
17:18:33 <MartinD> markusk: if you want to express...
Markus Krötzsch: if you want to express... ←
17:18:49 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll
Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:18:49 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to mention possibility of postponement
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to mention possibility of postponement ←
17:19:12 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
17:19:12 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted ←
17:19:12 <MartinD> Jeremy: maybe we should postpone these issues to future WG-s?
Jeremy Carroll: maybe we should postpone these issues to future WG-s? ←
17:19:21 <MartinD> Uli: agrees to close this issue
Uli Sattler: agrees to close this issue ←
17:19:33 <MartinD> uli: maybe consider this in the next extensions to OWL
Uli Sattler: maybe consider this in the next extensions to OWL ←
17:19:39 <MarkusK> OK, I am fine with that.
Markus Krötzsch: OK, I am fine with that. ←
17:19:51 <MartinD> uli: might not be right point to talk about this, also late?
Uli Sattler: might not be right point to talk about this, also late? ←
17:20:09 <MartinD> alanr: non-structural constraints in the current work?
Alan Ruttenberg: non-structural constraints in the current work? ←
17:20:11 <alanr> closed: "no action" sort of postponed.
Scribe problem: the name 'closed' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown closed: "no action" sort of postponed. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
17:20:23 <Rinke> this email from Carsten just came in, http://www.w3.org/mid/Pine.LNX.4.64.0804231914440.2230%2540frege.inf.tu-dresden.de
Rinke Hoekstra: this email from Carsten just came in, http://www.w3.org/mid/Pine.LNX.4.64.0804231914440.2230%2540frege.inf.tu-dresden.de ←
17:20:29 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to further argue for postponement
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to further argue for postponement ←
17:20:29 <MartinD> uli: some work can be done, but not really to change it all now
Uli Sattler: some work can be done, but not really to change it all now ←
17:20:41 <MartinD> alanr: nothing to do on this now...
Alan Ruttenberg: nothing to do on this now... ←
17:20:52 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
17:20:52 <Zakim> uli was not muted, uli
Zakim IRC Bot: uli was not muted, uli ←
17:20:59 <ewallace> me too
Evan Wallace: me too ←
17:21:08 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
17:21:08 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
17:21:28 <MartinD> PROPOSED: Consider ISSUE 22 formally postponed
PROPOSED: Consider ISSUE-22 formally postponed ←
17:21:41 <MarkusK> +1 to postpone
Markus Krötzsch: +1 to postpone ←
17:21:42 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:21:43 <JeremyCarroll> +1
Jeremy Carroll: +1 ←
17:21:44 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:21:46 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:21:46 <MartinD> +1
+1 ←
17:21:47 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
17:21:47 <diegoc> +1
Diego Calvanese: +1 ←
17:21:48 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:21:50 <msmith> +1
Michael Smith: +1 ←
17:21:56 <bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
17:22:07 <MartinD> RESOLVED: Consider ISSUE 22 formally postponed
RESOLVED: Consider ISSUE-22 formally postponed ←
17:22:25 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 57 Errata in OWL 1.0 documents,
17:22:48 <MartinD> alanr: some errors spotted in OWL doc, since they are not worked on, we should close or postpone this
Alan Ruttenberg: some errors spotted in OWL doc, since they are not worked on, we should close or postpone this ←
17:22:59 <pfps> q+
17:23:04 <MartinD> alanr: suggests postponing
Alan Ruttenberg: suggests postponing ←
17:23:04 <uli> q-
Uli Sattler: q- ←
17:23:08 <alanr> ack uli
Alan Ruttenberg: ack uli ←
17:23:20 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll
Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:23:20 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to further argue for postponement
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to further argue for postponement ←
17:23:24 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: probably postpone is better
Jeremy Carroll: probably postpone is better ←
17:23:25 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
17:23:50 <ewallace> postpone is better
Evan Wallace: postpone is better ←
17:23:58 <bijan> None of the erros show up in OWL2 yes?
Bijan Parsia: None of the erros show up in OWL2 yes? ←
17:24:01 <MartinD> alanr: strawpoll on postpone vs. close
Alan Ruttenberg: strawpoll on postpone vs. close ←
17:24:01 <JeremyCarroll> I will vote 0 but don't wish to argue further
Jeremy Carroll: I will vote 0 but don't wish to argue further ←
17:24:04 <ewallace> postpone
Evan Wallace: postpone ←
17:24:06 <bmotik> Close
Boris Motik: Close ←
17:24:06 <pfps> close
Peter Patel-Schneider: close ←
17:24:08 <JeremyCarroll> 0 (neither postpone nor close)
Jeremy Carroll: 0 (neither postpone nor close) ←
17:24:11 <Rinke> close, I guess
Rinke Hoekstra: close, I guess ←
17:24:13 <alanr> 0
Alan Ruttenberg: 0 ←
17:24:14 <IanH> close
Ian Horrocks: close ←
17:24:14 <uli> close
Uli Sattler: close ←
17:24:16 <diegoc> 0
Diego Calvanese: 0 ←
17:24:18 <baojie> 0
17:24:19 <MartinD> 0
0 ←
17:24:23 <bijan> Close
Bijan Parsia: Close ←
17:24:25 <msmith> clsoe
Michael Smith: clsoe ←
17:24:30 <MartinD> alanr: let's close it then
Alan Ruttenberg: let's close it then ←
17:24:39 <MartinD> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE 57
17:24:42 <JeremyCarroll> 0
Jeremy Carroll: 0 ←
17:24:45 <ewallace> 0
Evan Wallace: 0 ←
17:24:58 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
Zakim IRC Bot: +Elisa_Kendall ←
17:24:59 <JeremyCarroll> as moot
Jeremy Carroll: as moot ←
17:25:21 <JeremyCarroll> 0
Jeremy Carroll: 0 ←
17:25:21 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:25:23 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:25:23 <ewallace> 0
Evan Wallace: 0 ←
17:25:25 <pfps> +1 to close
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to close ←
17:25:32 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:25:32 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:25:34 <bijan> +1 to the moot
Bijan Parsia: +1 to the moot ←
17:25:35 <Rinke> +1 close
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 close ←
17:25:37 <MartinD> PROPOSED: Issue 57 Errata in OWL 1.0 documents closed as moot (not relevant)
PROPOSED: ISSUE-57 Errata in OWL 1.0 documents closed as moot (not relevant) ←
17:25:41 <msmith> +1 to close
Michael Smith: +1 to close ←
17:25:44 <Elisa> 0
Elisa Kendall: 0 ←
17:25:46 <diegoc> +1
Diego Calvanese: +1 ←
17:25:49 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
17:25:57 <MartinD> RESOLVED: Issue 57 Errata in OWL 1.0 documents closed as moot (not relevant)
RESOLVED: ISSUE-57 Errata in OWL 1.0 documents closed as moot (not relevant) ←
17:26:09 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 106 OWL 2 namespace per proposal
17:26:20 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:26:27 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:26:27 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:26:30 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
17:26:35 <MartinD> alanr: what about namespaces? we keep old one, so OWL2 has the same namespace as the old one
Alan Ruttenberg: what about namespaces? we keep old one, so OWL2 has the same namespace as the old one ←
17:26:56 <MartinD> bmotik: are we talking about RDF only or also about XML
Boris Motik: are we talking about RDF only or also about XML ←
17:27:01 <MartinD> alanr: only about RDF
Alan Ruttenberg: only about RDF ←
17:27:02 <bijan> +super1
Bijan Parsia: +super1 ←
17:27:02 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:27:04 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:27:39 <alanr> PROPOSED Resolve Issue 57 by saying that new OWL 2 vocabulary goes in old OWL 1 namespace
Alan Ruttenberg: PROPOSED Resolve ISSUE-57 by saying that new OWL 2 vocabulary goes in old OWL 1 namespace ←
17:27:42 <JeremyCarroll> 0 (there are differences of opinion in HP)
Jeremy Carroll: 0 (there are differences of opinion in HP) ←
17:27:42 <bmotik> +100
Boris Motik: +100 ←
17:27:44 <pfps> +1 to make owl2 be the same as owl :-)
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to make owl2 be the same as owl :-) ←
17:27:46 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:27:49 <ewallace> 0
Evan Wallace: 0 ←
17:27:52 <MartinD> +1
+1 ←
17:27:53 <Rinke> 0
Rinke Hoekstra: 0 ←
17:27:54 <baojie> 0
17:27:54 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:27:57 <diegoc> +1
Diego Calvanese: +1 ←
17:27:59 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:28:00 <bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
17:28:04 <Elisa> 0
Elisa Kendall: 0 ←
17:28:11 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
17:28:11 <alanr> ACCEPTED Resolve Issue 57 by saying that new OWL 2 vocabulary goes in old OWL 1 namespace
Alan Ruttenberg: RESOLVED Resolve ISSUE-57 by saying that new OWL 2 vocabulary goes in old OWL 1 namespace ←
17:28:28 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 63 Defining an RDFS compatible semantics
17:28:37 <MartinD> alanr: not sure if to accept this as a real issue
Alan Ruttenberg: not sure if to accept this as a real issue ←
17:28:40 <JeremyCarroll> +1
Jeremy Carroll: +1 ←
17:28:45 <MartinD> alanr: should we close it completed
Alan Ruttenberg: should we close it completed ←
17:29:02 <alanr> PROPOSED Close Issue 63 as done.
Alan Ruttenberg: PROPOSED Close ISSUE-63 as done. ←
17:29:04 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
17:29:05 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:29:09 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:29:10 <pfps> +1 to agree that we're doing what we should
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to agree that we're doing what we should ←
17:29:10 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
17:29:13 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:29:14 <MartinD> 0
0 ←
17:29:15 <msmith> +1 to close ISSUE-63
Michael Smith: +1 to close ISSUE-63 ←
17:29:17 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
17:29:17 <diegoc> +1
Diego Calvanese: +1 ←
17:29:19 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:29:20 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:29:22 <Elisa> +1
Elisa Kendall: +1 ←
17:29:31 <baojie> +1
17:29:34 <alanr> RESOLVED Close Issue 63 as done.
Alan Ruttenberg: RESOLVED Close ISSUE-63 as done. ←
17:29:54 <ewallace> s/ACCEPTED/RESOLVED
17:30:00 <MartinD> Topic: Issue discussion
17:30:09 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 119 Russel paradox in OWL Full due to self restrictions.
17:30:26 <MartinD> alanr: OWL full comprehension issue
Alan Ruttenberg: OWL full comprehension issue ←
17:30:39 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to ask peter about solipism
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to ask peter about solipism ←
17:30:47 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll
Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:30:47 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to ask peter about solipism
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to ask peter about solipism ←
17:31:12 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: to members of previous OWLWG, whether there is new evidence to reconsider comprehension principle?
Jeremy Carroll: to members of previous OWLWG, whether there is new evidence to reconsider comprehension principle? ←
17:31:18 <pfps> q+
17:31:23 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
17:31:45 <MartinD> pfps: relationship between DL and Full needs rethink
Peter Patel-Schneider: relationship between DL and Full needs rethink ←
17:32:01 <MartinD> pfps: if comprehension principle goes away
Peter Patel-Schneider: if comprehension principle goes away ←
17:32:20 <pfps> q+
17:32:30 <MartinD> alanr: what do we lose if we go the wway Jeremy proposed
Alan Ruttenberg: what do we lose if we go the wway Jeremy proposed ←
17:33:23 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
17:33:26 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: deleting all comprehension principles allows us to rethink all relations, practically that might not be valuable?
Jeremy Carroll: deleting all comprehension principles allows us to rethink all relations, practically that might not be valuable? ←
17:33:43 <MartinD> pfps: one can do a patch to keep things the same,
Peter Patel-Schneider: one can do a patch to keep things the same, ←
17:33:59 <MartinD> pfps: that might be adequate
Peter Patel-Schneider: that might be adequate ←
17:34:03 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
17:34:15 <alanr> ack IanH
Alan Ruttenberg: ack IanH ←
17:34:15 <JeremyCarroll> Have I seen this patch?
Jeremy Carroll: Have I seen this patch? ←
17:34:17 <IanH> zakim, unmute me
Ian Horrocks: zakim, unmute me ←
17:34:17 <Zakim> IanH was not muted, IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: IanH was not muted, IanH ←
17:34:30 <MartinD> alanr: action on Peter or Ian?
Alan Ruttenberg: action on Peter or Ian? ←
17:34:51 <MartinD> IanH: agrees with Peter, needs convincing that we should completely revise OWL Full semantics
Ian Horrocks: agrees with Peter, needs convincing that we should completely revise OWL Full semantics ←
17:35:10 <MartinD> IanH: this might be close to "out of scope" w.r.t. our charter
Ian Horrocks: this might be close to "out of scope" w.r.t. our charter ←
17:35:35 <bijan> I wouldn't mind a new owl full, whether we can agree on the new version is a different issue :)
Bijan Parsia: I wouldn't mind a new owl full, whether we can agree on the new version is a different issue :) ←
17:35:37 <MartinD> alanr: someone should coordinate, sheperd the patching process
Alan Ruttenberg: someone should coordinate, sheperd the patching process ←
17:35:40 <IanH> OK
Ian Horrocks: OK ←
17:36:09 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
17:36:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan (muted), uli, alanr, diegoc (muted), IanH (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan (muted), uli, alanr, diegoc (muted), IanH (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK, ←
17:36:14 <Zakim> ... JeremyCarroll, baojie (muted), Elisa_Kendall
Zakim IRC Bot: ... JeremyCarroll, baojie (muted), Elisa_Kendall ←
17:36:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see diegoc, Elisa, JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see diegoc, Elisa, JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro ←
17:36:28 <MartinD> ACTION: IanH to sheperd/coordinate the patching process (per ISSUE 119)
ACTION: IanH to sheperd/coordinate the patching process (per ISSUE-119) ←
17:36:28 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - IanH
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - IanH ←
17:36:49 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 97 Add GRDDL to OWL/XML Syntax
17:36:51 <JeremyCarroll> q+ on 97
Jeremy Carroll: q+ on 97 ←
17:37:02 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:37:08 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll
Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:37:14 <MartinD> alanr: anyone willing to take this issue?
Alan Ruttenberg: anyone willing to take this issue? ←
17:37:15 <alanr> ack on
Alan Ruttenberg: ack on ←
17:37:16 <JeremyCarroll> q- on
Jeremy Carroll: q- on ←
17:37:20 <JeremyCarroll> q- 97
Jeremy Carroll: q- 97 ←
17:37:34 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
17:37:34 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
17:37:41 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:37:45 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
17:37:47 <MartinD> bijan: wants to say a thing on GRDDL
Bijan Parsia: wants to say a thing on GRDDL ←
17:37:50 <IanH> ACTION: IanH to sheperd/coordinate the patching process (per ISSUE 119)
ACTION: IanH to sheperd/coordinate the patching process (per ISSUE-119) ←
17:37:50 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - IanH
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - IanH ←
17:38:21 <JeremyCarroll> I think we need the XSLT!
Jeremy Carroll: I think we need the XSLT! ←
17:38:33 <IanH> RSSAgent claims not to recognise me -- I will do it the old fashioned way!
Ian Horrocks: RSSAgent claims not to recognise me -- I will do it the old fashioned way! ←
17:38:40 <MartinD> bijan: this seems to be almost editorial, depends on what level we are looking at this...
Bijan Parsia: this seems to be almost editorial, depends on what level we are looking at this... ←
17:39:01 <MartinD> bijan: there might be issue with going only for XSLT transformations
Bijan Parsia: there might be issue with going only for XSLT transformations ←
17:39:19 <JeremyCarroll> That's a real difference of opinion
Jeremy Carroll: That's a real difference of opinion ←
17:39:33 <Rinke> Think I agree with bijan on this point, esp. since the syntax is still in flux
Rinke Hoekstra: Think I agree with bijan on this point, esp. since the syntax is still in flux ←
17:39:49 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to respond to Bijan
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to respond to Bijan ←
17:39:59 <MartinD> alanr: new information; why don't we ...
Alan Ruttenberg: new information; why don't we ... ←
17:40:02 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll
Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:40:02 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to respond to Bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to respond to Bijan ←
17:40:15 <MartinD> alanr: discuss it later when there are others like Ivan and Sandro
Alan Ruttenberg: discuss it later when there are others like Ivan and Sandro ←
17:40:37 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: we may get into maintenance problem; can clearly state that text is normative
Jeremy Carroll: we may get into maintenance problem; can clearly state that text is normative ←
17:41:27 <MartinD> bijan: with OWL API we already have pretty reliable implementation, no point in preferring one implementation or that it should be part of OWLWG deliverables
Bijan Parsia: with OWL API we already have pretty reliable implementation, no point in preferring one implementation or that it should be part of OWLWG deliverables ←
17:41:33 <ewallace> OWL API relation to OWL2 spec?
Evan Wallace: OWL API relation to OWL2 spec? ←
17:41:47 <bijan> OWL API tracks the OWL2 spec
Bijan Parsia: OWL API tracks the OWL2 spec ←
17:42:05 <MartinD> alanr: my concern was satisfied with GRDDL; the main thing now is an easy, compatible translation
Alan Ruttenberg: my concern was satisfied with GRDDL; the main thing now is an easy, compatible translation ←
17:42:29 <MartinD> bijan: there was supposed to be spec and then possibly different implementations?
Bijan Parsia: there was supposed to be spec and then possibly different implementations? ←
17:42:46 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: GRDDL addresses how to do transformation from XSLT 1
Jeremy Carroll: GRDDL addresses how to do transformation from XSLT 1 ←
17:43:01 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: that was recommended
Jeremy Carroll: that was recommended ←
17:43:58 <JeremyCarroll> That's cute!
Jeremy Carroll: That's cute! ←
17:44:02 <MartinD> alanr: there is a trick, if you want to create a transformation into a language, create a trivial XSLT that replaces the output with the translation... can be done
Alan Ruttenberg: there is a trick, if you want to create a transformation into a language, create a trivial XSLT that replaces the output with the translation... can be done ←
17:44:06 <bijan> As noted above, each GRDDL transformation specifies a transformation property, a function from XPath document nodes to RDF graphs. This function need not be total; it may have a domain smaller than all XML document nodes. For example, use of xsl:message with terminate="yes" may be used to signal that the input is outside the domain of the transformation.
Bijan Parsia: As noted above, each GRDDL transformation specifies a transformation property, a function from XPath document nodes to RDF graphs. This function need not be total; it may have a domain smaller than all XML document nodes. For example, use of xsl:message with terminate="yes" may be used to signal that the input is outside the domain of the transformation. ←
17:44:25 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:44:34 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#txforms
Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#txforms ←
17:44:34 <MartinD> ACTION: alanr to explore whether a simple transformation via XSLT would work in this case
ACTION: alanr to explore whether a simple transformation via XSLT would work in this case ←
17:44:34 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr ←
17:44:46 <MartinD> Topic: Other issues discussion
17:45:12 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 111 User intent signalling
17:45:17 <bijan> Jeremy, I don't read the GRDDL spec as you do, afaict
Bijan Parsia: Jeremy, I don't read the GRDDL spec as you do, afaict ←
17:45:35 <MartinD> alanr: would be good to allow users to signal, flag that ontology should be interpreted as OWL1, etc.
Alan Ruttenberg: would be good to allow users to signal, flag that ontology should be interpreted as OWL1, etc. ←
17:45:49 <MartinD> alanr: in the past MIME type was rejected
Alan Ruttenberg: in the past MIME type was rejected ←
17:45:56 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:45:57 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:46:01 <MartinD> alanr: Sandro put an initial email, any comments?
Alan Ruttenberg: Sandro put an initial email, any comments? ←
17:46:01 <JeremyCarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:46:02 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
17:46:04 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:46:04 <Zakim> bmotik was not muted, bmotik
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik was not muted, bmotik ←
17:46:06 <IanH> Sorry, but I have to leave now.
Ian Horrocks: Sorry, but I have to leave now. ←
17:46:13 <Zakim> -IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH ←
17:46:37 <MartinD> bmotik: idea was good, we need to include in the doc a switch to use given OWL semantics
Boris Motik: idea was good, we need to include in the doc a switch to use given OWL semantics ←
17:47:01 <MartinD> bmotik: given RDF doc, we need to see under what OWL it is interpreted (DL, Full,...)
Boris Motik: given RDF doc, we need to see under what OWL it is interpreted (DL, Full,...) ←
17:47:10 <alanr> action: alanr to show trick for how to *generate* an xslt to create a grddl transform
ACTION: alanr to show trick for how to *generate* an xslt to create a grddl transform ←
17:47:10 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr ←
17:47:13 <MartinD> bmotik: maybe we don't need a switch per profile
Boris Motik: maybe we don't need a switch per profile ←
17:47:16 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:47:20 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:47:20 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:47:25 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll
Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:47:48 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: correction - MIME wasn't rejected in principle, just because there was no time
Jeremy Carroll: correction - MIME wasn't rejected in principle, just because there was no time ←
17:48:07 <MartinD> alanr: from notes - this was not needed at the time
Alan Ruttenberg: from notes - this was not needed at the time ←
17:48:16 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
17:48:20 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:48:29 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
17:48:29 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
17:48:44 <MartinD> bijan: one problem with MIME - tends not to work offline
Bijan Parsia: one problem with MIME - tends not to work offline ←
17:48:50 <MartinD> bijan: not robust enough
Bijan Parsia: not robust enough ←
17:49:03 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
17:49:12 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
17:49:15 <alanr> q+ to ask about what to do about interaction between imports and conflicting user intent
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask about what to do about interaction between imports and conflicting user intent ←
17:49:33 <MartinD> bijan: for profiles - one reason for including is that people may want to signal that a mixed ontology is interpreted in appropriate way (say DL)
Bijan Parsia: for profiles - one reason for including is that people may want to signal that a mixed ontology is interpreted in appropriate way (say DL) ←
17:49:54 <bmotik> Agree with Bijan, but then we might use then a different switch
Boris Motik: Agree with Bijan, but then we might use then a different switch ←
17:49:55 <MartinD> bijan: not necessary to disambiguate semantics, but good to flag if users want to emphasize
Bijan Parsia: not necessary to disambiguate semantics, but good to flag if users want to emphasize ←
17:50:03 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:50:03 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:50:04 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
17:50:05 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to ask about what to do about interaction between imports and conflicting user intent
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to ask about what to do about interaction between imports and conflicting user intent ←
17:50:27 <bijan> importing file wins
Bijan Parsia: importing file wins ←
17:50:28 <MartinD> alanr: what happens when doing imports and there are different intents in diff files
Alan Ruttenberg: what happens when doing imports and there are different intents in diff files ←
17:50:39 <MartinD> sandro: mentioned in email, but no good answer
Sandro Hawke: mentioned in email, but no good answer ←
17:50:56 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:51:00 <alanr> q+ alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ alanr ←
17:51:13 <MartinD> sandro: not sure anybody knows how to implement certain combinations = may need to ban certain combinations?
Sandro Hawke: not sure anybody knows how to implement certain combinations = may need to ban certain combinations? ←
17:51:27 <JeremyCarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:51:31 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
17:51:47 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll
Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:51:51 <MartinD> alanr: in solving this issue, we need to discuss and know what is the behavior
Alan Ruttenberg: in solving this issue, we need to discuss and know what is the behavior ←
17:52:19 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: maybe we should have no semantics involved here, just graph (?)
Jeremy Carroll: maybe we should have no semantics involved here, just graph (?) ←
17:52:26 <Zakim> -MarkusK
Zakim IRC Bot: -MarkusK ←
17:52:51 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
17:52:53 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: to understand triples if we want to have just a graph, you can't use RDF semantics, as graph has no semantics
Jeremy Carroll: to understand triples if we want to have just a graph, you can't use RDF semantics, as graph has no semantics ←
17:52:56 <bijan> Ok, in case of incompatible profiles, then a warning to the user SHOULD be signaled and the user offered a choice of which semantics to use
Bijan Parsia: Ok, in case of incompatible profiles, then a warning to the user SHOULD be signaled and the user offered a choice of which semantics to use ←
17:53:19 <MartinD> alanr: kind of like intended semantics RDF entailment
Alan Ruttenberg: kind of like intended semantics RDF entailment ←
17:53:20 <bijan> Rdf Abstract Syntax semantics, simple interpreation, rdf, rdfs...
Bijan Parsia: Rdf Abstract Syntax semantics, simple interpreation, rdf, rdfs... ←
17:53:22 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
17:53:29 <bijan> er...plus d entailment variants
Bijan Parsia: er...plus d entailment variants ←
17:53:57 <MartinD> alanr: specific suggestions from bijan, sandro, jeremy? discuss on email and come back with revised proposal
Alan Ruttenberg: specific suggestions from bijan, sandro, jeremy? discuss on email and come back with revised proposal ←
17:54:08 <sandro> Alan: Bijan, Jeremy, Sandro, Boris --- you four discuss over e-mail and bring back a revised proposal.
Alan Ruttenberg: Bijan, Jeremy, Sandro, Boris --- you four discuss over e-mail and bring back a revised proposal. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:54:17 <bmotik> Please no, I'm swamped
Boris Motik: Please no, I'm swamped ←
17:54:20 <bijan> I can reply to sandro's email
Bijan Parsia: I can reply to sandro's email ←
17:54:28 <JeremyCarroll> [I am leaving early, sorry. On EasyKeys it would be good to have some Full semantics]
Jeremy Carroll: [I am leaving early, sorry. On EasyKeys it would be good to have some Full semantics] ←
17:54:47 <MartinD> alanr: out of time...
Alan Ruttenberg: out of time... ←
17:54:47 <sandro> Alan: okay - let's let this lie for a few weeks.
Alan Ruttenberg: okay - let's let this lie for a few weeks. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:55:19 <Zakim> -JeremyCarroll
Zakim IRC Bot: -JeremyCarroll ←
17:55:20 <MartinD> Topic: General discussion
17:55:28 <MartinD> Topic: Easy keys
17:55:32 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
17:55:32 <Zakim> uli was not muted, uli
Zakim IRC Bot: uli was not muted, uli ←
17:55:34 <ewallace> top property discussion postponed?
Evan Wallace: top property discussion postponed? ←
17:55:38 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Easy_Keys
Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Easy_Keys ←
17:55:39 <alanr> yes
Alan Ruttenberg: yes ←
17:55:46 <alanr> unless we have remaining time today
Alan Ruttenberg: unless we have remaining time today ←
17:55:57 <bijan> Rdf mapping: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Easy_Keys#RDF_Mapping
Bijan Parsia: Rdf mapping: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Easy_Keys#RDF_Mapping ←
17:56:02 <MartinD> uli: in the easy keys proposals we described a few things more explicit
Uli Sattler: in the easy keys proposals we described a few things more explicit ←
17:56:29 <MartinD> uli: semantics more explicit, explained why "easy", why this would cause problems
Uli Sattler: semantics more explicit, explained why "easy", why this would cause problems ←
17:56:34 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:56:34 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute te
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute te ←
17:56:35 <Zakim> sorry, bmotik, I do not know which phone connection belongs to te
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bmotik, I do not know which phone connection belongs to te ←
17:56:40 <bmotik> Zakim , unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim , unmute me ←
17:56:46 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:56:51 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
17:56:54 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
17:56:54 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
17:56:56 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:56:56 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:57:05 <bmotik> Sorry, I had problems unmuting me
Boris Motik: Sorry, I had problems unmuting me ←
17:57:14 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
17:57:14 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
17:57:38 <MartinD> bijan: there is one raised, open issue - depends on what we do about key and b-nodes (?)... if variables can't do with easy keys
Bijan Parsia: there is one raised, open issue - depends on what we do about key and b-nodes (?)... if variables can't do with easy keys ←
17:57:53 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:58:13 <MartinD> alanr: can you collect situations we are trying to accomplish here?
Alan Ruttenberg: can you collect situations we are trying to accomplish here? ←
17:58:21 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:58:26 <MartinD> bijan: will be included on easy keys page
Bijan Parsia: will be included on easy keys page ←
17:58:39 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:58:39 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:58:50 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:58:53 <MartinD> bmotik: spoke to uli and got explanations, so no more reservations left
Boris Motik: spoke to uli and got explanations, so no more reservations left ←
17:59:05 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:59:05 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:59:17 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:59:21 <MartinD> alanr: we don't have achille and zhe - implementers and their position on this
Alan Ruttenberg: we don't have achille and zhe - implementers and their position on this ←
17:59:26 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
18:00:23 <MartinD> bijan: the intent of easy keys was to make it easy for implementation; unless they start messing with datatypes
Bijan Parsia: the intent of easy keys was to make it easy for implementation; unless they start messing with datatypes ←
18:00:35 <ewallace> What is meant by mucking around with datatypes?
Evan Wallace: What is meant by mucking around with datatypes? ←
18:00:37 <MartinD> bijan: should work with anything that follows datalog rules
Bijan Parsia: should work with anything that follows datalog rules ←
18:01:00 <MartinD> alanr: bijan can you add a note about the case you worry about or explain it
Alan Ruttenberg: bijan can you add a note about the case you worry about or explain it ←
18:01:41 <MartinD> bijan: when you thing about dl-safe rules and datalog, you may not have some things (e.g. negation) in the right place, maybe boris, uli can tell more
Bijan Parsia: when you thing about dl-safe rules and datalog, you may not have some things (e.g. negation) in the right place, maybe boris, uli can tell more ←
18:01:46 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
18:01:46 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted ←
18:02:12 <ewallace> OK Thanks, looking at that now
Evan Wallace: OK Thanks, looking at that now ←
18:02:15 <MartinD> bijan: if you have finite datatypes you may have more work to do
Bijan Parsia: if you have finite datatypes you may have more work to do ←
18:02:26 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
18:02:26 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
18:02:29 <bijan> Jeremy left, didn't he?
Bijan Parsia: Jeremy left, didn't he? ←
18:02:34 <MartinD> alanr: Jeremy is also among implementers - any issues?
Alan Ruttenberg: Jeremy is also among implementers - any issues? ←
18:02:41 <alanr> zakime, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakime, who is here? ←
18:02:47 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:02:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan, uli (muted), alanr, diegoc (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace, baojie (muted), Elisa_Kendall,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan, uli (muted), alanr, diegoc (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace, baojie (muted), Elisa_Kendall, ←
18:02:50 <Zakim> ... Sandro, MarkusK
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Sandro, MarkusK ←
18:02:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see diegoc, Elisa, JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see diegoc, Elisa, JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro ←
18:02:52 <bijan> JeremyCarroll : [I am leaving early, sorry. On EasyKeys it wo
Bijan Parsia: JeremyCarroll : [I am leaving early, sorry. On EasyKeys it wo ←
18:02:52 <bijan> Zakim : -JeremyCarroll
Bijan Parsia: Zakim : -JeremyCarroll ←
18:02:53 <ewallace> Jeremy left
Evan Wallace: Jeremy left ←
18:03:23 <MartinD> alanr: affirmative responses from three implementers so that we can report on this
Alan Ruttenberg: affirmative responses from three implementers so that we can report on this ←
18:03:28 <pfps> q+
18:03:31 <MartinD> alanr: action needed
Alan Ruttenberg: action needed ←
18:03:33 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:03:34 <msmith> 3 /other/ implementers. bmotik and I both implement reasoners
Michael Smith: 3 /other/ implementers. bmotik and I both implement reasoners ←
18:03:50 <bijan> And me, Ian, and Peter
Bijan Parsia: And me, Ian, and Peter ←
18:04:22 <bijan> (at least)
Bijan Parsia: (at least) ←
18:04:24 <MartinD> ... getting response from all implementers on the WG
... getting response from all implementers on the WG ←
18:04:25 <alanr> action: alan will get responses from Achille,Zhe, Jeremy as implementors - review of Easy Keys proposal
ACTION: alan will get responses from Achille,Zhe, Jeremy as implementors - review of Easy Keys proposal ←
18:04:25 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-140 - Will get responses from Achille,Zhe, Jeremy as implementors - review of Easy Keys proposal [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-04-30].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-140 - Will get responses from Achille,Zhe, Jeremy as implementors - review of Easy Keys proposal [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-04-30]. ←
18:04:50 <MartinD> alanr: other comments on easy keys or a straw poll?
Alan Ruttenberg: other comments on easy keys or a straw poll? ←
18:05:00 <MartinD> alanr: should we go ahead and have this feature added?
Alan Ruttenberg: should we go ahead and have this feature added? ←
18:05:16 <MartinD> alanr: strawpoll - are we ready to add this to spec
Alan Ruttenberg: strawpoll - are we ready to add this to spec ←
18:05:18 <pfps> +1 to proceed on EasyKeys
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to proceed on EasyKeys ←
18:05:19 <sandro> NONBINDING-PROPOSED: add easykeys to spec
Scribe problem: the name 'NONBINDING-PROPOSED' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown NONBINDING-PROPOSED: add easykeys to spec [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:05:22 <baojie> +1
18:05:22 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
18:05:23 <msmith> +1 to easy keys, they will be added to Pellet
Michael Smith: +1 to easy keys, they will be added to Pellet ←
18:05:23 <MartinD> +1
+1 ←
18:05:24 <bijan> +1 to adding to spec
Bijan Parsia: +1 to adding to spec ←
18:05:25 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
18:05:26 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
18:05:26 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
18:05:27 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
18:05:27 <diegoc> +1
Diego Calvanese: +1 ←
18:05:34 <Elisa> +1
Elisa Kendall: +1 ←
18:05:38 <ewallace> +1 to adding EasyKeys with usual qualifications
Evan Wallace: +1 to adding EasyKeys with usual qualifications ←
18:05:42 <bijan> (and fact++)
Bijan Parsia: (and fact++) ←
18:06:03 <MartinD> alanr: looks good, good work from bijan and uli to have proposal in such a good shape
Alan Ruttenberg: looks good, good work from bijan and uli to have proposal in such a good shape ←
18:06:14 <MartinD> alanr: back to issue l ist
Alan Ruttenberg: back to issue l ist ←
18:06:25 <MartinD> alanr: more discussion on any previous issues
Alan Ruttenberg: more discussion on any previous issues ←
18:06:46 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 71 Data ranges for literals with Language
18:06:52 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:07:03 <alanr> ack Bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack Bijan ←
18:07:09 <MartinD> alanr: Jeremy not here, anybody has opinions on this - should we be handling XML literals as well?
Alan Ruttenberg: Jeremy not here, anybody has opinions on this - should we be handling XML literals as well? ←
18:07:13 <pfps> -1 on XML literals
Peter Patel-Schneider: -1 on XML literals ←
18:07:34 <pfps> q+ to suggest a facet for this purpose
Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ to suggest a facet for this purpose ←
18:07:41 <alanr> q+ to ask question about XML Literals
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask question about XML Literals ←
18:07:43 <MartinD> bijan: some variant on extending datatype language is fine, to do it somehow - may be useful
Bijan Parsia: some variant on extending datatype language is fine, to do it somehow - may be useful ←
18:08:07 <alanr> q- alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: q- alanr ←
18:08:12 <alanr> Bijan asked my question
Alan Ruttenberg: Bijan asked my question ←
18:08:28 <alanr> also -1 to XML literals
Alan Ruttenberg: also -1 to XML literals ←
18:08:36 <MartinD> bijan: XML literals are a bit dodgy - there is some form of inheritance... we should not support this, we don't support many other XML subtyping, because they are a hard problem
Bijan Parsia: XML literals are a bit dodgy - there is some form of inheritance... we should not support this, we don't support many other XML subtyping, because they are a hard problem ←
18:08:38 <pfps> .. and not well-formed
Peter Patel-Schneider: .. and not well-formed ←
18:08:43 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:08:43 <Zakim> pfps, you wanted to suggest a facet for this purpose
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, you wanted to suggest a facet for this purpose ←
18:08:45 <MartinD> bijan: got for a middle ground
Bijan Parsia: got for a middle ground ←
18:08:54 <bijan> +1 to a facet
Bijan Parsia: +1 to a facet ←
18:08:58 <MartinD> pfps: suggests facets for this purpose
Peter Patel-Schneider: suggests facets for this purpose ←
18:09:17 <bmotik> +1 to adding facets
Boris Motik: +1 to adding facets ←
18:09:17 <MartinD> pfps: you don't to impose syntax...
Peter Patel-Schneider: you don't to impose syntax... ←
18:09:19 <bijan> A facet would be an easy add
Bijan Parsia: A facet would be an easy add ←
18:09:36 <MartinD> alanr: will you write something for spec how this may look
Alan Ruttenberg: will you write something for spec how this may look ←
18:09:48 <MartinD> pfps: response sent to jeremy, may contain enough info
Peter Patel-Schneider: response sent to jeremy, may contain enough info ←
18:09:49 <bijan> How about an action to add this to the spec?
Bijan Parsia: How about an action to add this to the spec? ←
18:10:07 <MartinD> alanr: jeremy was suggesting wildcarding? is that covered?
Alan Ruttenberg: jeremy was suggesting wildcarding? is that covered? ←
18:10:12 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:10:15 <alanr> en-*
Alan Ruttenberg: en-* ←
18:10:18 <bijan> ack bijan
Bijan Parsia: ack bijan ←
18:10:20 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
18:10:28 <MartinD> alanr: e.g. EN* not necessarily, EN-GB EN-US
Alan Ruttenberg: e.g. EN* not necessarily, EN-GB EN-US ←
18:11:02 <MartinD> bijan: if we want this from scratch, we can represent this using schema - string + values (facets can go into string part)
Bijan Parsia: if we want this from scratch, we can represent this using schema - string + values (facets can go into string part) ←
18:11:31 <MartinD> bijan: this is not a fundamentally difficult thing, just needs to be in a neat way
Bijan Parsia: this is not a fundamentally difficult thing, just needs to be in a neat way ←
18:11:57 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:11:58 <MartinD> bijan: we should be able to search, cluster strings and in principle it's about having pattern facets
Bijan Parsia: we should be able to search, cluster strings and in principle it's about having pattern facets ←
18:12:14 <msmith> pattern facets are in the spec
Michael Smith: pattern facets are in the spec ←
18:12:17 <MartinD> alanr: what is the status of this right now?
Alan Ruttenberg: what is the status of this right now? ←
18:12:20 <bijan> xsd:string, xsd:normalizedString, xsd:anyURI,
Scribe problem: the name 'xsd' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown xsd: string, xsd:normalizedString, xsd:anyURI, [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ] ←
18:12:20 <bijan> xsd:token, xsd:language, xsd:NMTOKEN,
Scribe problem: the name 'xsd' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown xsd: token, xsd:language, xsd:NMTOKEN, [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ] ←
18:12:20 <bijan> xsd:Name, xsd:NCName,
Scribe problem: the name 'xsd' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown xsd: Name, xsd:NCName, [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ] ←
18:12:20 <bijan> xsd:hexBinary, xsd:base64Binary
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Unknown xsd: hexBinary, xsd:base64Binary [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ] ←
18:12:20 <bijan> length, minLength, maxLength, pattern
Bijan Parsia: length, minLength, maxLength, pattern ←
18:12:30 <bijan> Table 1
Bijan Parsia: Table 1 ←
18:12:56 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Datatype_Restrictions
Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Datatype_Restrictions ←
18:12:59 <MartinD> alanr: will it be easier to use patterns? bijan, will spec ideas?
Alan Ruttenberg: will it be easier to use patterns? bijan, will spec ideas? ←
18:12:59 <bijan> am I offering...
Bijan Parsia: am I offering... ←
18:13:05 <bijan> I guess
Bijan Parsia: I guess ←
18:13:29 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:13:31 <MartinD> alanr: other comments?
Alan Ruttenberg: other comments? ←
18:13:53 <bijan> ACTION: Work out syntax for langed literals
ACTION: Work out syntax for langed literals ←
18:13:53 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Work
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Work ←
18:13:54 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 112 Top property
18:14:09 <bijan> ACTION on bijan to work out syntax for langed literals
Bijan Parsia: ACTION on bijan to work out syntax for langed literals ←
18:14:14 <MarkusK> q+
Markus Krötzsch: q+ ←
18:14:19 <MartinD> alanr: someone who understands "top" property to update us
Alan Ruttenberg: someone who understands "top" property to update us ←
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18:14:48 <MarkusK> q-
Markus Krötzsch: q- ←
18:14:52 <MartinD> uli: we were unsure how to call it, but for some reason we needed "bottom" role, there was some discussion on universality
Uli Sattler: we were unsure how to call it, but for some reason we needed "bottom" role, there was some discussion on universality ←
18:14:59 <MarkusK> +1 to uli's summary
Markus Krötzsch: +1 to uli's summary ←
18:15:05 <MartinD> uli: reasoners can get away with faking this
Uli Sattler: reasoners can get away with faking this ←
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18:16:01 <MartinD> alanr: bottom role - when debugging ontologies, one thing that came with unsatisfiable roles was that it could not have any values - could this be equivalent to a bottom role (e.g. maxCard 0)
Alan Ruttenberg: bottom role - when debugging ontologies, one thing that came with unsatisfiable roles was that it could not have any values - could this be equivalent to a bottom role (e.g. maxCard 0) ←
18:16:19 <MartinD> uli: might be a way to fake implementing bottom properties
Uli Sattler: might be a way to fake implementing bottom properties ←
18:16:30 <MartinD> uli: maybe this needs syntactic sugar to name this
Uli Sattler: maybe this needs syntactic sugar to name this ←
18:16:42 <MartinD> alanr: would this add burden to reasoners?
Alan Ruttenberg: would this add burden to reasoners? ←
18:16:43 <ewallace> yes please have name for both topProperty and bottomProperty if supported
Evan Wallace: yes please have name for both topProperty and bottomProperty if supported ←
18:16:57 <MartinD> uli: not really, reasoners can handle this
Uli Sattler: not really, reasoners can handle this ←
18:17:05 <MartinD> alanr: what the name should be
Alan Ruttenberg: what the name should be ←
18:17:19 <MartinD> alanr: there are few possibilities, anybody?
Alan Ruttenberg: there are few possibilities, anybody? ←
18:17:30 <MartinD> uli: some in the email posted recently...
Uli Sattler: some in the email posted recently... ←
18:17:31 <ewallace> The issue lists: "universalProperty", "thingProperty", "relatesTo", "topProperty", "universal"
Evan Wallace: The issue lists: "universalProperty", "thingProperty", "relatesTo", "topProperty", "universal" ←
18:17:35 <alanr> toAll, toNone
Alan Ruttenberg: toAll, toNone ←
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18:17:47 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
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18:17:48 <pfps> goodnight to All
Peter Patel-Schneider: goodnight to All ←
18:18:04 <pfps> goodnight "toAll"
Peter Patel-Schneider: goodnight "toAll" ←
18:18:11 <uli> zakim, unmute me
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18:18:11 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
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18:18:16 <alanr> relatesTo, doesNotRelateTo
Alan Ruttenberg: relatesTo, doesNotRelateTo ←
18:18:26 <MartinD> uli: should mirror owl:thing
Uli Sattler: should mirror owl:thing ←
18:18:33 <MarkusK> +1 to uli "relates to" implies a meaning
Markus Krötzsch: +1 to uli "relates to" implies a meaning ←
18:18:40 <MartinD> uli: relatesTo implies meaning which it doesn't really have
Uli Sattler: relatesTo implies meaning which it doesn't really have ←
18:18:41 <bijan> owl:TopProperty and owl:BottomProperty
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Unknown owl: TopProperty and owl:BottomProperty [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ] ←
18:18:47 <uli> +1 to bijan
Uli Sattler: +1 to bijan ←
18:18:50 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
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18:18:59 <pfps> let's do Dr Seuss (Thing and Thing2)
Peter Patel-Schneider: let's do Dr Seuss (Thing and Thing2) ←
18:19:07 <bijan> owl:BijanProperty and owl:JermeyProperty
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Unknown owl: BijanProperty and owl:JermeyProperty [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ] ←
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18:19:27 <MartinD> alanr: the usual way to read properties is like a sentence - A topproperty B... sounds like relation between them
Alan Ruttenberg: the usual way to read properties is like a sentence - A topproperty B... sounds like relation between them ←
18:19:56 <MartinD> uli: topProperty should related every individual with every other individual
Uli Sattler: topProperty should related every individual with every other individual ←
18:20:07 <bijan> owl:isRelatedVacuouslyTo
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Unknown owl: isRelatedVacuouslyTo [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ] ←
18:20:13 <MartinD> uli: "relatesTo" may be too ambiguous
Uli Sattler: "relatesTo" may be too ambiguous ←
18:20:14 <MarkusK> +1 to uli again: "topProperty" implies no *relevant* relation whatsoever
Markus Krötzsch: +1 to uli again: "topProperty" implies no *relevant* relation whatsoever ←
18:20:17 <pfps> there is the expectation that "relates to" has some domain implication
Peter Patel-Schneider: there is the expectation that "relates to" has some domain implication ←
18:20:18 <bijan> owl:isNotRelatedAtAllNyahNyeahTo
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Unknown owl: isNotRelatedAtAllNyahNyeahTo [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ] ←
18:20:34 <uli> zakim, mute me
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18:20:46 <MartinD> alanr: no problems with this
Alan Ruttenberg: no problems with this ←
18:20:56 <MartinD> alanr: strawpoll on adding top and bottom roles to OWL 2
Alan Ruttenberg: strawpoll on adding top and bottom roles to OWL 2 ←
18:21:04 <ewallace> +1 to add top and bottom roles to OWL2
Evan Wallace: +1 to add top and bottom roles to OWL2 ←
18:21:04 <sandro> NONBINDING-PROPOSED: add "top" and "bottom" by some name, to OWL 2 ?
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Unknown NONBINDING-PROPOSED: add "top" and "bottom" by some name, to OWL 2 ? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:21:09 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
18:21:11 <Rinke> +1 to add them
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to add them ←
18:21:14 <bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
18:21:15 <msmith> +1 to adding top and bottom roles
Michael Smith: +1 to adding top and bottom roles ←
18:21:17 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
18:21:17 <MartinD> +1
+1 ←
18:21:26 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
18:21:28 <sandro> +0 no clueif it's really useful
Sandro Hawke: +0 no clueif it's really useful ←
18:21:29 <pfps> +top
Peter Patel-Schneider: +top ←
18:21:57 <MartinD> alanr: we have good sentiment that this is worth adding, let's discuss the actual names on email
Alan Ruttenberg: we have good sentiment that this is worth adding, let's discuss the actual names on email ←
18:22:16 <MartinD> alanr: one last thing
Alan Ruttenberg: one last thing ←
18:22:43 <pfps> separate
Peter Patel-Schneider: separate ←
18:22:43 <MartinD> alanr: where we are going on whether there should be 1 or 2 OWL semantics documents...
Alan Ruttenberg: where we are going on whether there should be 1 or 2 OWL semantics documents... ←
18:22:50 <MartinD> alanr: should there be one or separate
Alan Ruttenberg: should there be one or separate ←
18:23:14 <uli> hurray!
Uli Sattler: hurray! ←
18:23:15 <MartinD> alanr: adjourned
Alan Ruttenberg: adjourned ←
18:23:19 <ewallace> 5 minutes early!
Evan Wallace: 5 minutes early! ←
18:23:20 <uli> bye!
Uli Sattler: bye! ←
18:23:21 <Elisa> bye
Elisa Kendall: bye ←
18:23:22 <Zakim> -Sandro
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18:23:22 <MarkusK> bye
Markus Krötzsch: bye ←
18:23:23 <Zakim> -baojie
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18:23:23 <Zakim> -bmotik
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18:23:24 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
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18:23:24 <Zakim> -alanr
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18:23:25 <Rinke> thanks, bye
Rinke Hoekstra: thanks, bye ←
18:23:25 <Zakim> -msmith
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18:23:28 <Zakim> -uli
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18:23:28 <diegoc> bye
Diego Calvanese: bye ←
18:23:30 <Zakim> -diegoc
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18:23:34 <Zakim> -bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: -bijan ←
18:23:35 <Zakim> -Rinke
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rinke ←
18:23:37 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
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18:23:43 <Zakim> -MartinD
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18:24:10 <alanr> sandro, you got the notes?
Alan Ruttenberg: sandro, you got the notes? ←
18:24:17 <alanr> minutes?
Alan Ruttenberg: minutes? ←
18:24:28 <MartinD> how to generate them
how to generate them ←
18:24:30 <MartinD> >
> ←
18:24:32 <MartinD> ?
? ←
18:24:42 <alanr> sandro usuall handles
Alan Ruttenberg: sandro usuall handles ←
18:24:50 <alanr> rrsagent, draft minutes
Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
18:24:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/23-owl-minutes.html alanr
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/23-owl-minutes.html alanr ←
18:24:58 <alanr> rrsagent, make log public
Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, make log public ←
18:25:17 <sandro> MartinD, hold on 5 minutes?
Sandro Hawke: MartinD, hold on 5 minutes? ←
18:25:25 <MartinD> ee, sure
ee, sure ←
18:26:55 <sandro> Chair: Alan
18:27:02 <sandro> Zakim, list attendees
Sandro Hawke: Zakim, list attendees ←
18:27:02 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Peter_Patel-Schneider, +90827aaaa, bmotik, MartinD, Rinke, bijan, uli, +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc, IanH, msmith, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Peter_Patel-Schneider, +90827aaaa, bmotik, MartinD, Rinke, bijan, uli, +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc, IanH, msmith, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK, ←
18:27:05 <Zakim> ... JeremyCarroll, alanr, +1.518.276.aacc, baojie, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... JeremyCarroll, alanr, +1.518.276.aacc, baojie, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro ←
18:27:10 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider
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18:27:11 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended ←
18:27:12 <Zakim> Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, +90827aaaa, bmotik, MartinD, Rinke, bijan, uli, +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc, IanH, msmith, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK, JeremyCarroll, alanr,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, +90827aaaa, bmotik, MartinD, Rinke, bijan, uli, +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc, IanH, msmith, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK, JeremyCarroll, alanr, ←
18:27:14 <Zakim> ... +1.518.276.aacc, baojie, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.518.276.aacc, baojie, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro ←
18:27:41 <sandro> Present: pfps, bmotik, MartinD, Rinke, bijan, uli, diegoc, IanH, msmith, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK, JeremyCarroll, alanr, baojie, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro
18:29:13 <sandro> Okay, MartinD, http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.04.23/Minutes should be a good starting point.
Sandro Hawke: Okay, MartinD, http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.04.23/Minutes should be a good starting point. ←
18:29:29 <MartinD> sandro, trackbot was not recognizing actions on users
sandro, trackbot was not recognizing actions on users ←
18:29:36 <sandro> sorry - dismissed DCC chat accidentally.
Sandro Hawke: sorry - dismissed DCC chat accidentally. ←
18:30:01 <MartinD> sandro, trackbot was not recognizing actions on users
sandro, trackbot was not recognizing actions on users ←
18:30:02 <sandro> I'm not surprised. Um, e-mail Alan and ask what he wants done about that...?
Sandro Hawke: I'm not surprised. Um, e-mail Alan and ask what he wants done about that...? ←
18:30:12 <MartinD> so, there might be some mess in recording actions
so, there might be some mess in recording actions ←
18:30:17 <sandro> or e-mail team-owl-chairs@w3.org rather
Sandro Hawke: or e-mail team-owl-chairs@w3.org rather ←
18:30:30 <sandro> or I can. never mind -- I'll do it.
Sandro Hawke: or I can. never mind -- I'll do it. ←
18:31:16 <MartinD> ok, thanks... I will look at the minutes later today
ok, thanks... I will look at the minutes later today ←
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