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OWL Working Group

Minutes of 23 April 2008

Present
Peter Patel-Schneider, Boris Motik, Martin Dzbor, Rinke Hoekstra, Bijan Parsia, Uli Sattler, Diego Calvanese, Ian Horrocks, Michael Smith, Evan Wallace, Markus Krötzsch, Jeremy Carroll, Alan Ruttenberg, Jie Bao, Elisa Kendall, Sandro Hawke
Chair
Alan Ruttenberg
Scribe
Martin Dzbor
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. SSUE 137, ISSUE 120, ISSUE 138, ISSUE 115 done link
  2. Accept Previous Minutes (16 April) link
  3. Consider ISSUE 22 formally postponed link
  4. Issue 57 Errata in OWL 1.0 documents closed as moot (not relevant) link
Topics

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16:47:28 <MartinD> Zakim, this will be OWLWG

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16:56:07 <pfps> zakim, this will be owlwg

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16:56:07 <Zakim> ok, pfps; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 56 minutes ago

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16:56:20 <pfps> RRSAgent, make records public

Peter Patel-Schneider: RRSAgent, make records public

16:56:34 <pfps> I got kicked off a minute ago, so try again

Peter Patel-Schneider: I got kicked off a minute ago, so try again

16:58:09 <pfps> not since I turned off my speakers :-)

Peter Patel-Schneider: not since I turned off my speakers :-)

16:58:18 <Rinke> zakim, who is here

Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, who is here

16:58:18 <Zakim> Rinke, you need to end that query with '?'

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16:58:22 <Rinke> zakim, who is here?

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16:58:22 <Zakim> I notice SW_OWL()12:00PM has restarted

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16:58:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P3, +90827aaaa, ??P6

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16:58:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro

16:58:46 <MartinD> Zakim, 908 is me

Zakim, 908 is me

16:58:47 <Zakim> sorry, MartinD, I do not recognize a party named '908'

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16:58:47 <bmotik> Zakim, ??P6 is me

Boris Motik: Zakim, ??P6 is me

16:58:47 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it

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16:58:52 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

16:58:52 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

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16:58:55 <MartinD> Zakim, aaaa is me

Zakim, aaaa is me

16:58:56 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it

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16:59:08 <Rinke> Zakim, who is here?

Rinke Hoekstra: Zakim, who is here?

16:59:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P3, MartinD, bmotik (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P3, MartinD, bmotik (muted)

16:59:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro

16:59:13 <Rinke> Zakim, ??P3 is me

Rinke Hoekstra: Zakim, ??P3 is me

16:59:13 <Zakim> +Rinke; got it

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16:59:16 <Rinke> zakim, mute me

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16:59:28 <MartinD> zakimm, mute me

zakimm, mute me

16:59:34 <MartinD> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me

16:59:34 <Zakim> MartinD should now be muted

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17:00:07 <Zakim> +??P30

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17:00:16 <Zakim> +??P35

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17:00:16 <bijan> zakim, ??p30 is me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??p30 is me

17:00:17 <Zakim> +bijan; got it

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17:00:22 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:00:22 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

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17:00:28 <uli> zakim, ??P35 is me

Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P35 is me

17:00:28 <Zakim> +uli; got it

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17:00:35 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

17:00:35 <Zakim> uli should now be muted

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17:00:41 <Zakim> + +1.617.253.aabb

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17:01:23 <Zakim> +diegoc

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17:01:45 <Zakim> +IanH

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17:01:53 <Zakim> +msmith

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17:02:06 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace

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17:02:10 <alanr> markus, will you be able to scribe until end of call?

Alan Ruttenberg: markus, will you be able to scribe until end of call?

17:02:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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17:02:49 <sandro> IanH, I'm going to be a bit late to the meeting, sorry.

Sandro Hawke: IanH, I'm going to be a bit late to the meeting, sorry.

17:02:51 <bijan> I request tha nary-data predicates be put on the General Discussions list

Bijan Parsia: I request tha nary-data predicates be put on the General Discussions list

17:03:08 <bijan> There is quite a worked out proposal: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/N-ary_Data_predicate_proposal

Bijan Parsia: There is quite a worked out proposal: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/N-ary_Data_predicate_proposal

17:03:12 <MartinD> Topic: Roll call

1. Roll call

17:03:17 <ewallace> Agenda amendments: I have change the deadline for action 112 so this need not be discussed

Evan Wallace: Agenda amendments: I have change the deadline for ACTION-112 so this need not be discussed

17:03:26 <alanr> noted

Alan Ruttenberg: noted

17:03:45 <bijan> And there is an issue: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/5

Bijan Parsia: And there is an issue: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/5

17:03:46 <bijan> Great

Bijan Parsia: Great

17:03:50 <MartinD> zakim, unmute me

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17:04:10 <Zakim> +??P13

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17:04:33 <alanr> no

Alan Ruttenberg: no

17:04:40 <MarkusK> alanr, I think so -- is there another scribe before me or am I the only one?

Markus Krötzsch: alanr, I think so -- is there another scribe before me or am I the only one?

17:04:40 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here?

17:04:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan (muted), uli (muted), +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc (muted), IanH (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan (muted), uli (muted), +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc (muted), IanH (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace,

17:04:45 <Zakim> ... MarkusK, jeremy_

Zakim IRC Bot: ... MarkusK, jeremy_

17:04:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, diegoc, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, diegoc, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro

17:05:01 <MartinD> I am scribing.... no probs... things setup

I am scribing.... no probs... things setup

17:05:23 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here?

17:05:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan (muted), uli (muted), +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc (muted), IanH (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan (muted), uli (muted), +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc (muted), IanH (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace,

17:05:27 <Zakim> ... MarkusK, JeremyCarroll

Zakim IRC Bot: ... MarkusK, JeremyCarroll

17:05:28 <MartinD> alanr: we're starting

Alan Ruttenberg: we're starting

17:05:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, diegoc, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, diegoc, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro

17:05:44 <alanr> zakim,aabb is me

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim,aabb is me

17:05:44 <Zakim> +alanr; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +alanr; got it

17:06:00 <MartinD> Topic: Agenda amendments

2. Agenda amendments

17:06:19 <MartinD> Alanr: F2F - we're settling 18-29 July at MIT

Alan Ruttenberg: F2F - we're settling 18-29 July at MIT

17:06:28 <alanr> 28-29

Alan Ruttenberg: 28-29

17:06:31 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aacc

17:06:34 <MartinD> a/18/28

a/18/28

17:06:43 <baojie> Zakim, aacc is baojie

Jie Bao: Zakim, aacc is baojie

17:06:43 <Zakim> +baojie; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie; got it

17:06:43 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:07:01 <alanr> zakim, who is talking

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is talking

17:07:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', alanr

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', alanr

17:07:14 <IanH> Is it just me or has the line gone dead?

Ian Horrocks: Is it just me or has the line gone dead?

17:07:23 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, who is speaking?

Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, who is speaking?

17:07:23 <diegoc> i hear just static

Diego Calvanese: i hear just static

17:07:27 <alanr> static

Alan Ruttenberg: static

17:07:31 <IanH> here too

Ian Horrocks: here too

17:07:36 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

17:07:40 <JeremyCarroll> liar

Jeremy Carroll: liar

17:07:49 <ewallace> Sound like background noise

Evan Wallace: Sound like background noise

17:07:49 <alanr> mutes baojie

Alan Ruttenberg: mutes baojie

17:07:56 <alanr> zakim, mute baojie

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, mute baojie

17:07:56 <Zakim> baojie should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: baojie should now be muted

17:08:00 <IanH> better!

Ian Horrocks: better!

17:08:20 <MartinD> Alanr: F2F - we're settling 28-29 July at MIT

Alan Ruttenberg: F2F - we're settling 28-29 July at MIT

17:08:35 <Rinke> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/41712/f2f3_dates/results

Rinke Hoekstra: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/41712/f2f3_dates/results

17:08:38 <MartinD> alanr: topic on issues raised and how handled

Alan Ruttenberg: topic on issues raised and how handled

17:09:01 <MartinD> alanr: talking to IanH and things are going to change how issues are handled, raised,

Alan Ruttenberg: talking to IanH and things are going to change how issues are handled, raised,

17:09:14 <MartinD> alanr: there was an email about first batch of issues to review

Alan Ruttenberg: there was an email about first batch of issues to review

17:09:32 <MartinD> Topic: Pending actions

3. Pending actions

17:10:13 <MartinD> alanr: four points - update on RDF mapping (ISSUE 115)

Alan Ruttenberg: four points - update on RDF mapping (ISSUE-115)

17:10:32 <MartinD> alanr: ISSUE 137, ISSUE 120, ISSUE 138

Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-137, ISSUE-120, ISSUE-138

17:10:58 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:11:01 <MartinD> {Action|115} Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion/Boris

{Action|115} Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion/Boris

17:11:13 <MartinD> PROPOSED: the above issues to be considered done

PROPOSED: the above issues to be considered done

17:11:26 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

17:11:26 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

17:11:27 <bijan> My overdue acitions got siderailed by the easyclasskey discussion so remain undone

Bijan Parsia: My overdue acitions got siderailed by the easyclasskey discussion so remain undone

17:11:31 <bijan> Should be done in a few days

Bijan Parsia: Should be done in a few days

17:11:37 <MartinD> RESOLVED: SSUE 137, ISSUE 120, ISSUE 138, ISSUE 115 done

RESOLVED: SSUE 137, ISSUE-120, ISSUE-138, ISSUE-115 done

17:11:43 <MartinD> Topic: Previous minutes

4. Previous minutes

17:11:52 <pfps> minimally acceptable - scribes should prefix their comments with their names

Peter Patel-Schneider: minimally acceptable - scribes should prefix their comments with their names

17:11:54 <MartinD> alanr: are minutes acceptable?

Alan Ruttenberg: are minutes acceptable?

17:12:13 <uli> I will change my comments...

Uli Sattler: I will change my comments...

17:12:19 <MartinD> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (16 April)

PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (16 April)

17:12:37 <MartinD> RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (16 April)

RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (16 April)

17:13:04 <MartinD> Action 115 (Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion/Boris)

ACTION-115 (Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion/Boris)

17:13:06 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:13:06 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:13:10 <bijan> Scroll up in the log

Bijan Parsia: Scroll up in the log

17:13:25 <bijan>         bijan : My overdue acitions got siderailed by the easyclasskey discussion so remain undone

Bijan Parsia: bijan : My overdue acitions got siderailed by the easyclasskey discussion so remain undone

17:13:25 <bijan>         bijan : Should be done in a few days

Bijan Parsia: bijan : Should be done in a few days

17:13:29 <MartinD> bijan: should be done in a few days

Bijan Parsia: should be done in a few days

17:14:09 <MartinD> Jeremy: to review doc on OWL compatibility with RIF - prob. mid May

Jeremy Carroll: to review doc on OWL compatibility with RIF - prob. mid May

17:14:31 <MartinD> Topic: Raised Issues

5. Raised Issues

17:14:37 <MartinD> alanr: will be timed to 30 mins

Alan Ruttenberg: will be timed to 30 mins

17:15:02 <MartinD> alanr: two raised issues 113 (http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/113)

Alan Ruttenberg: two raised issues 113 (http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/113)

17:15:28 <MartinD> alanr: Open/Shut per Jeremy's note (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0198.html)

Alan Ruttenberg: Open/Shut per Jeremy's note (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0198.html)

17:15:39 <JeremyCarroll> issue-113: I am OK with this (but still -epsilon vote!)

Scribe problem: the name 'issue-113' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown issue-113: I am OK with this (but still -epsilon vote!) [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ]

17:15:40 <MartinD> alanr: Issue 115 Icon needed for the WG pages.

Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-115 Icon needed for the WG pages.

17:15:42 <pfps> i'll remind him

Peter Patel-Schneider: i'll remind him

17:15:49 <MartinD> alanr: minor change, not related to OWL

Alan Ruttenberg: minor change, not related to OWL

17:16:05 <MartinD> alanr: Issue 120 Bug fixes to OWL 1 Semantics/Backwards compatibility

Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-120 Bug fixes to OWL 1 Semantics/Backwards compatibility

17:16:20 <MartinD> alanr: considered editorial, already updated to reflect the issue

Alan Ruttenberg: considered editorial, already updated to reflect the issue

17:16:22 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:16:25 <MartinD> alanr: any further issues

Alan Ruttenberg: any further issues

17:16:36 <MartinD> alanr: proposals to resolve issues

Alan Ruttenberg: proposals to resolve issues

17:16:59 <MartinD> alanr: {Issue|22} Syntactic sugar for a rule, per email

Alan Ruttenberg: {Issue|22} Syntactic sugar for a rule, per email

17:17:05 <MarkusK> q+

Markus Krötzsch: q+

17:17:11 <JeremyCarroll> +1

Jeremy Carroll: +1

17:17:11 <MartinD> alanr: we suggest to close it with no action

Alan Ruttenberg: we suggest to close it with no action

17:17:16 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:17:50 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to mention possibility of postponement

Jeremy Carroll: q+ to mention possibility of postponement

17:17:55 <MartinD> markusk: ok to close but there are some issues that may violate rules in the future, in theory problematic

Markus Krötzsch: ok to close but there are some issues that may violate rules in the future, in theory problematic

17:17:58 <uli> q+ to comment

Uli Sattler: q+ to comment

17:18:05 <MartinD> alanr: does this affect spec?

Alan Ruttenberg: does this affect spec?

17:18:15 <alanr> ack Markus

Alan Ruttenberg: ack Markus

17:18:33 <MartinD> markusk: if you want to express...

Markus Krötzsch: if you want to express...

17:18:49 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll

Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll

17:18:49 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to mention possibility of postponement

Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to mention possibility of postponement

17:19:12 <uli> zakim, unmute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me

17:19:12 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted

17:19:12 <MartinD> Jeremy: maybe we should postpone these issues to future WG-s?

Jeremy Carroll: maybe we should postpone these issues to future WG-s?

17:19:21 <MartinD> Uli: agrees to close this issue

Uli Sattler: agrees to close this issue

17:19:33 <MartinD> uli: maybe consider this in the next extensions to OWL

Uli Sattler: maybe consider this in the next extensions to OWL

17:19:39 <MarkusK> OK, I am fine with that.

Markus Krötzsch: OK, I am fine with that.

17:19:51 <MartinD> uli: might not be right point to talk about this, also late?

Uli Sattler: might not be right point to talk about this, also late?

17:20:09 <MartinD> alanr: non-structural constraints in the current work?

Alan Ruttenberg: non-structural constraints in the current work?

17:20:11 <alanr> closed: "no action" sort of postponed.

Scribe problem: the name 'closed' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown closed: "no action" sort of postponed. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ]

17:20:23 <Rinke> this email from Carsten just came in, http://www.w3.org/mid/Pine.LNX.4.64.0804231914440.2230%2540frege.inf.tu-dresden.de

Rinke Hoekstra: this email from Carsten just came in, http://www.w3.org/mid/Pine.LNX.4.64.0804231914440.2230%2540frege.inf.tu-dresden.de

17:20:29 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to further argue for postponement

Jeremy Carroll: q+ to further argue for postponement

17:20:29 <MartinD> uli: some work can be done, but not really to change it all now

Uli Sattler: some work can be done, but not really to change it all now

17:20:41 <MartinD> alanr: nothing to do on this now...

Alan Ruttenberg: nothing to do on this now...

17:20:52 <uli> zakim, unmute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me

17:20:52 <Zakim> uli was not muted, uli

Zakim IRC Bot: uli was not muted, uli

17:20:59 <ewallace> me too

Evan Wallace: me too

17:21:08 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

17:21:08 <Zakim> uli should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted

17:21:28 <MartinD> PROPOSED: Consider ISSUE 22 formally postponed

PROPOSED: Consider ISSUE-22 formally postponed

17:21:41 <MarkusK> +1 to postpone

Markus Krötzsch: +1 to postpone

17:21:42 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

17:21:43 <JeremyCarroll> +1

Jeremy Carroll: +1

17:21:44 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:21:46 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

17:21:46 <MartinD> +1

+1

17:21:47 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1

17:21:47 <diegoc> +1

Diego Calvanese: +1

17:21:48 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

17:21:50 <msmith> +1

Michael Smith: +1

17:21:56 <bijan> +1

Bijan Parsia: +1

17:22:07 <MartinD> RESOLVED: Consider ISSUE 22 formally postponed

RESOLVED: Consider ISSUE-22 formally postponed

17:22:25 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 57 Errata in OWL 1.0 documents,

6. ISSUE-57 Errata in OWL 1.0 documents,

17:22:48 <MartinD> alanr: some errors spotted in OWL doc, since they are not worked on, we should close or postpone this

Alan Ruttenberg: some errors spotted in OWL doc, since they are not worked on, we should close or postpone this

17:22:59 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

17:23:04 <MartinD> alanr: suggests postponing

Alan Ruttenberg: suggests postponing

17:23:04 <uli> q-

Uli Sattler: q-

17:23:08 <alanr> ack uli

Alan Ruttenberg: ack uli

17:23:20 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll

Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll

17:23:20 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to further argue for postponement

Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to further argue for postponement

17:23:24 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: probably postpone is better

Jeremy Carroll: probably postpone is better

17:23:25 <alanr> ack pfps

Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps

17:23:50 <ewallace> postpone is better

Evan Wallace: postpone is better

17:23:58 <bijan> None of the erros show up in OWL2 yes?

Bijan Parsia: None of the erros show up in OWL2 yes?

17:24:01 <MartinD> alanr: strawpoll on postpone vs. close

Alan Ruttenberg: strawpoll on postpone vs. close

17:24:01 <JeremyCarroll> I will vote 0 but don't wish to argue further

Jeremy Carroll: I will vote 0 but don't wish to argue further

17:24:04 <ewallace> postpone

Evan Wallace: postpone

17:24:06 <bmotik> Close

Boris Motik: Close

17:24:06 <pfps> close

Peter Patel-Schneider: close

17:24:08 <JeremyCarroll> 0 (neither postpone nor close)

Jeremy Carroll: 0 (neither postpone nor close)

17:24:11 <Rinke> close, I guess

Rinke Hoekstra: close, I guess

17:24:13 <alanr> 0

Alan Ruttenberg: 0

17:24:14 <IanH> close

Ian Horrocks: close

17:24:14 <uli> close

Uli Sattler: close

17:24:16 <diegoc> 0

Diego Calvanese: 0

17:24:18 <baojie> 0

Jie Bao: 0

17:24:19 <MartinD> 0

0

17:24:23 <bijan> Close

Bijan Parsia: Close

17:24:25 <msmith> clsoe

Michael Smith: clsoe

17:24:30 <MartinD> alanr: let's close it then

Alan Ruttenberg: let's close it then

17:24:39 <MartinD> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE 57

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-57

17:24:42 <JeremyCarroll> 0

Jeremy Carroll: 0

17:24:45 <ewallace> 0

Evan Wallace: 0

17:24:58 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall

Zakim IRC Bot: +Elisa_Kendall

17:24:59 <JeremyCarroll> as moot

Jeremy Carroll: as moot

17:25:21 <JeremyCarroll> 0

Jeremy Carroll: 0

17:25:21 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

17:25:23 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:25:23 <ewallace> 0

Evan Wallace: 0

17:25:25 <pfps> +1 to close

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to close

17:25:32 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

17:25:32 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

17:25:34 <bijan> +1 to the moot

Bijan Parsia: +1 to the moot

17:25:35 <Rinke> +1 close

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 close

17:25:37 <MartinD> PROPOSED: Issue 57 Errata in OWL 1.0 documents closed as moot (not relevant)

PROPOSED: ISSUE-57 Errata in OWL 1.0 documents closed as moot (not relevant)

17:25:41 <msmith> +1 to close

Michael Smith: +1 to close

17:25:44 <Elisa> 0

Elisa Kendall: 0

17:25:46 <diegoc> +1

Diego Calvanese: +1

17:25:49 <MarkusK> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1

17:25:57 <MartinD> RESOLVED: Issue 57 Errata in OWL 1.0 documents closed as moot (not relevant)

RESOLVED: ISSUE-57 Errata in OWL 1.0 documents closed as moot (not relevant)

17:26:09 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 106 OWL 2 namespace per proposal

7. ISSUE-106 OWL 2 namespace per proposal

17:26:20 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

17:26:27 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

17:26:27 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

17:26:30 <alanr> ack bmotik

Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik

17:26:35 <MartinD> alanr: what about namespaces? we keep old one, so OWL2 has the same namespace as the old one

Alan Ruttenberg: what about namespaces? we keep old one, so OWL2 has the same namespace as the old one

17:26:56 <MartinD> bmotik: are we talking about RDF only or also about XML

Boris Motik: are we talking about RDF only or also about XML

17:27:01 <MartinD> alanr: only about RDF

Alan Ruttenberg: only about RDF

17:27:02 <bijan> +super1

Bijan Parsia: +super1

17:27:02 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:27:04 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:27:39 <alanr> PROPOSED Resolve Issue 57 by saying that new OWL 2 vocabulary goes in old OWL 1 namespace

Alan Ruttenberg: PROPOSED Resolve ISSUE-57 by saying that new OWL 2 vocabulary goes in old OWL 1 namespace

17:27:42 <JeremyCarroll> 0 (there are differences of opinion in HP)

Jeremy Carroll: 0 (there are differences of opinion in HP)

17:27:42 <bmotik> +100

Boris Motik: +100

17:27:44 <pfps> +1 to make owl2 be the same as owl :-)

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to make owl2 be the same as owl :-)

17:27:46 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:27:49 <ewallace> 0

Evan Wallace: 0

17:27:52 <MartinD> +1

+1

17:27:53 <Rinke> 0

Rinke Hoekstra: 0

17:27:54 <baojie> 0

Jie Bao: 0

17:27:54 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

17:27:57 <diegoc> +1

Diego Calvanese: +1

17:27:59 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

17:28:00 <bijan> +1

Bijan Parsia: +1

17:28:04 <Elisa> 0

Elisa Kendall: 0

17:28:11 <MarkusK> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1

17:28:11 <alanr> ACCEPTED Resolve Issue 57 by saying that new OWL 2 vocabulary goes in old OWL 1 namespace

Alan Ruttenberg: RESOLVED Resolve ISSUE-57 by saying that new OWL 2 vocabulary goes in old OWL 1 namespace

17:28:28 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 63 Defining an RDFS compatible semantics

8. ISSUE-63 Defining an RDFS compatible semantics

17:28:37 <MartinD> alanr: not sure if to accept this as a real issue

Alan Ruttenberg: not sure if to accept this as a real issue

17:28:40 <JeremyCarroll> +1

Jeremy Carroll: +1

17:28:45 <MartinD> alanr: should we close it completed

Alan Ruttenberg: should we close it completed

17:29:02 <alanr> PROPOSED Close Issue 63 as done.

Alan Ruttenberg: PROPOSED Close ISSUE-63 as done.

17:29:04 <ewallace> +1

Evan Wallace: +1

17:29:05 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:29:09 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:29:10 <pfps> +1 to agree that we're doing what we should

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to agree that we're doing what we should

17:29:10 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1

17:29:13 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

17:29:14 <MartinD> 0

0

17:29:15 <msmith> +1 to close ISSUE-63

Michael Smith: +1 to close ISSUE-63

17:29:17 <MarkusK> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1

17:29:17 <diegoc> +1

Diego Calvanese: +1

17:29:19 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

17:29:20 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

17:29:22 <Elisa> +1

Elisa Kendall: +1

17:29:31 <baojie> +1

Jie Bao: +1

17:29:34 <alanr> RESOLVED Close Issue 63 as done.

Alan Ruttenberg: RESOLVED Close ISSUE-63 as done.

17:29:54 <ewallace> s/ACCEPTED/RESOLVED
17:30:00 <MartinD> Topic: Issue discussion

9. Issue discussion

17:30:09 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 119 Russel paradox in OWL Full due to self restrictions.

10. ISSUE-119 Russel paradox in OWL Full due to self restrictions.

17:30:26 <MartinD> alanr: OWL full comprehension issue

Alan Ruttenberg: OWL full comprehension issue

17:30:39 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to ask peter about solipism

Jeremy Carroll: q+ to ask peter about solipism

17:30:47 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll

Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll

17:30:47 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to ask peter about solipism

Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to ask peter about solipism

17:31:12 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: to members of previous OWLWG, whether there is new evidence to reconsider comprehension principle?

Jeremy Carroll: to members of previous OWLWG, whether there is new evidence to reconsider comprehension principle?

17:31:18 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

17:31:23 <alanr> ack pfps

Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps

17:31:45 <MartinD> pfps: relationship between DL and Full needs rethink

Peter Patel-Schneider: relationship between DL and Full needs rethink

17:32:01 <MartinD> pfps: if comprehension principle goes away

Peter Patel-Schneider: if comprehension principle goes away

17:32:20 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

17:32:30 <MartinD> alanr: what do we lose if we go the wway Jeremy proposed

Alan Ruttenberg: what do we lose if we go the wway Jeremy proposed

17:33:23 <alanr> ack pfps

Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps

17:33:26 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: deleting all comprehension principles allows us to rethink all relations, practically that might not be valuable?

Jeremy Carroll: deleting all comprehension principles allows us to rethink all relations, practically that might not be valuable?

17:33:43 <MartinD> pfps: one can do a patch to keep things the same,

Peter Patel-Schneider: one can do a patch to keep things the same,

17:33:59 <MartinD> pfps: that might be adequate

Peter Patel-Schneider: that might be adequate

17:34:03 <IanH> q+

Ian Horrocks: q+

17:34:15 <alanr> ack IanH

Alan Ruttenberg: ack IanH

17:34:15 <JeremyCarroll> Have I seen this patch?

Jeremy Carroll: Have I seen this patch?

17:34:17 <IanH> zakim, unmute me

Ian Horrocks: zakim, unmute me

17:34:17 <Zakim> IanH was not muted, IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: IanH was not muted, IanH

17:34:30 <MartinD> alanr: action on Peter or Ian?

Alan Ruttenberg: action on Peter or Ian?

17:34:51 <MartinD> IanH: agrees with Peter, needs convincing that we should completely revise OWL Full semantics

Ian Horrocks: agrees with Peter, needs convincing that we should completely revise OWL Full semantics

17:35:10 <MartinD> IanH: this might be close to "out of scope" w.r.t. our charter

Ian Horrocks: this might be close to "out of scope" w.r.t. our charter

17:35:35 <bijan> I wouldn't mind a new owl full, whether we can agree on the new version is a different issue :)

Bijan Parsia: I wouldn't mind a new owl full, whether we can agree on the new version is a different issue :)

17:35:37 <MartinD> alanr: someone should coordinate, sheperd the patching process

Alan Ruttenberg: someone should coordinate, sheperd the patching process

17:35:40 <IanH> OK

Ian Horrocks: OK

17:36:09 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here?

17:36:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan (muted), uli, alanr, diegoc (muted), IanH (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan (muted), uli, alanr, diegoc (muted), IanH (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK,

17:36:14 <Zakim> ... JeremyCarroll, baojie (muted), Elisa_Kendall

Zakim IRC Bot: ... JeremyCarroll, baojie (muted), Elisa_Kendall

17:36:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see diegoc, Elisa, JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see diegoc, Elisa, JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro

17:36:28 <MartinD> ACTION: IanH to sheperd/coordinate the patching process (per ISSUE 119)

ACTION: IanH to sheperd/coordinate the patching process (per ISSUE-119)

17:36:28 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - IanH

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - IanH

17:36:49 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 97 Add GRDDL to OWL/XML Syntax

11. ISSUE-97 Add GRDDL to OWL/XML Syntax

17:36:51 <JeremyCarroll> q+ on 97

Jeremy Carroll: q+ on 97

17:37:02 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

17:37:08 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll

Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll

17:37:14 <MartinD> alanr: anyone willing to take this issue?

Alan Ruttenberg: anyone willing to take this issue?

17:37:15 <alanr> ack on

Alan Ruttenberg: ack on

17:37:16 <JeremyCarroll> q- on

Jeremy Carroll: q- on

17:37:20 <JeremyCarroll> q- 97

Jeremy Carroll: q- 97

17:37:34 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

17:37:34 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

17:37:41 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:37:45 <alanr> ack bijan

Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan

17:37:47 <MartinD> bijan: wants to say a thing on GRDDL

Bijan Parsia: wants to say a thing on GRDDL

17:37:50 <IanH> ACTION: IanH to sheperd/coordinate the patching process (per ISSUE 119)

ACTION: IanH to sheperd/coordinate the patching process (per ISSUE-119)

17:37:50 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - IanH

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - IanH

17:38:21 <JeremyCarroll> I think we need the XSLT!

Jeremy Carroll: I think we need the XSLT!

17:38:33 <IanH> RSSAgent claims not to recognise me -- I will do it the old fashioned way!

Ian Horrocks: RSSAgent claims not to recognise me -- I will do it the old fashioned way!

17:38:40 <MartinD> bijan: this seems to be almost editorial, depends on what level we are looking at this...

Bijan Parsia: this seems to be almost editorial, depends on what level we are looking at this...

17:39:01 <MartinD> bijan: there might be issue with going only for XSLT transformations

Bijan Parsia: there might be issue with going only for XSLT transformations

17:39:19 <JeremyCarroll> That's a real difference of opinion

Jeremy Carroll: That's a real difference of opinion

17:39:33 <Rinke> Think I agree with bijan on this point, esp. since the syntax is still in flux

Rinke Hoekstra: Think I agree with bijan on this point, esp. since the syntax is still in flux

17:39:49 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to respond to Bijan

Jeremy Carroll: q+ to respond to Bijan

17:39:59 <MartinD> alanr: new information;  why don't we ...

Alan Ruttenberg: new information; why don't we ...

17:40:02 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll

Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll

17:40:02 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to respond to Bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to respond to Bijan

17:40:15 <MartinD> alanr: discuss it later when there are others like Ivan and Sandro

Alan Ruttenberg: discuss it later when there are others like Ivan and Sandro

17:40:37 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: we may get into maintenance problem; can clearly state that text is normative

Jeremy Carroll: we may get into maintenance problem; can clearly state that text is normative

17:41:27 <MartinD> bijan: with OWL API we already have pretty reliable implementation, no point in preferring one implementation or that it should be part of OWLWG deliverables

Bijan Parsia: with OWL API we already have pretty reliable implementation, no point in preferring one implementation or that it should be part of OWLWG deliverables

17:41:33 <ewallace> OWL API relation to OWL2 spec?

Evan Wallace: OWL API relation to OWL2 spec?

17:41:47 <bijan> OWL API tracks the OWL2 spec

Bijan Parsia: OWL API tracks the OWL2 spec

17:42:05 <MartinD> alanr: my concern was satisfied with GRDDL; the main thing now is an easy, compatible translation

Alan Ruttenberg: my concern was satisfied with GRDDL; the main thing now is an easy, compatible translation

17:42:29 <MartinD> bijan: there was supposed to be spec and then possibly different implementations?

Bijan Parsia: there was supposed to be spec and then possibly different implementations?

17:42:46 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: GRDDL addresses how to do transformation from XSLT 1

Jeremy Carroll: GRDDL addresses how to do transformation from XSLT 1

17:43:01 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: that was recommended

Jeremy Carroll: that was recommended

17:43:58 <JeremyCarroll> That's cute!

Jeremy Carroll: That's cute!

17:44:02 <MartinD> alanr: there is a trick, if you want to create a transformation into a language, create a trivial XSLT that replaces the output with the translation... can be done

Alan Ruttenberg: there is a trick, if you want to create a transformation into a language, create a trivial XSLT that replaces the output with the translation... can be done

17:44:06 <bijan> As noted above, each GRDDL transformation specifies a transformation property, a function from XPath document nodes to RDF graphs. This function need not be total; it may have a domain smaller than all XML document nodes. For example, use of xsl:message with terminate="yes" may be used to signal that the input is outside the domain of the transformation.

Bijan Parsia: As noted above, each GRDDL transformation specifies a transformation property, a function from XPath document nodes to RDF graphs. This function need not be total; it may have a domain smaller than all XML document nodes. For example, use of xsl:message with terminate="yes" may be used to signal that the input is outside the domain of the transformation.

17:44:25 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:44:34 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#txforms

Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#txforms

17:44:34 <MartinD> ACTION: alanr to explore whether a simple transformation via XSLT would work in this case

ACTION: alanr to explore whether a simple transformation via XSLT would work in this case

17:44:34 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr

17:44:46 <MartinD> Topic: Other issues discussion

12. Other issues discussion

17:45:12 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 111 User intent signalling

13. ISSUE-111 User intent signalling

17:45:17 <bijan> Jeremy, I don't read the GRDDL spec as you do, afaict

Bijan Parsia: Jeremy, I don't read the GRDDL spec as you do, afaict

17:45:35 <MartinD> alanr: would be good to allow users to signal, flag that ontology should be interpreted as OWL1, etc.

Alan Ruttenberg: would be good to allow users to signal, flag that ontology should be interpreted as OWL1, etc.

17:45:49 <MartinD> alanr: in the past MIME type was rejected

Alan Ruttenberg: in the past MIME type was rejected

17:45:56 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:45:57 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

17:46:01 <MartinD> alanr: Sandro put an initial email, any comments?

Alan Ruttenberg: Sandro put an initial email, any comments?

17:46:01 <JeremyCarroll> q+

Jeremy Carroll: q+

17:46:02 <alanr> ack bmotik

Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik

17:46:04 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

17:46:04 <Zakim> bmotik was not muted, bmotik

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik was not muted, bmotik

17:46:06 <IanH> Sorry, but I have to leave now.

Ian Horrocks: Sorry, but I have to leave now.

17:46:13 <Zakim> -IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH

17:46:37 <MartinD> bmotik: idea was good, we need to include in the doc a switch to use given OWL semantics

Boris Motik: idea was good, we need to include in the doc a switch to use given OWL semantics

17:47:01 <MartinD> bmotik: given RDF doc, we need to see under what OWL it is interpreted (DL, Full,...)

Boris Motik: given RDF doc, we need to see under what OWL it is interpreted (DL, Full,...)

17:47:10 <alanr> action: alanr to show trick for how to *generate* an xslt to create a grddl transform

ACTION: alanr to show trick for how to *generate* an xslt to create a grddl transform

17:47:10 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr

17:47:13 <MartinD> bmotik: maybe we don't need a switch per profile

Boris Motik: maybe we don't need a switch per profile

17:47:16 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

17:47:20 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:47:20 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:47:25 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll

Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll

17:47:48 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: correction - MIME wasn't rejected in principle, just because there was no time

Jeremy Carroll: correction - MIME wasn't rejected in principle, just because there was no time

17:48:07 <MartinD> alanr: from notes - this was not needed at the time

Alan Ruttenberg: from notes - this was not needed at the time

17:48:16 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

17:48:20 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:48:29 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

17:48:29 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan

17:48:44 <MartinD> bijan: one problem with MIME - tends not to work offline

Bijan Parsia: one problem with MIME - tends not to work offline

17:48:50 <MartinD> bijan: not robust enough

Bijan Parsia: not robust enough

17:49:03 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

17:49:12 <sandro> ack bijan

Sandro Hawke: ack bijan

17:49:15 <alanr> q+ to ask about what to do about interaction between imports and conflicting user intent

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask about what to do about interaction between imports and conflicting user intent

17:49:33 <MartinD> bijan: for profiles - one reason for including is that people may want to signal that a mixed ontology is interpreted in appropriate way (say DL)

Bijan Parsia: for profiles - one reason for including is that people may want to signal that a mixed ontology is interpreted in appropriate way (say DL)

17:49:54 <bmotik> Agree with Bijan, but then we might use then a different switch

Boris Motik: Agree with Bijan, but then we might use then a different switch

17:49:55 <MartinD> bijan: not necessary to disambiguate semantics, but good to flag if users want to emphasize

Bijan Parsia: not necessary to disambiguate semantics, but good to flag if users want to emphasize

17:50:03 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:50:03 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:50:04 <alanr> ack alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr

17:50:05 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to ask about what to do about interaction between imports and conflicting user intent

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to ask about what to do about interaction between imports and conflicting user intent

17:50:27 <bijan> importing file wins

Bijan Parsia: importing file wins

17:50:28 <MartinD> alanr: what happens when doing imports and there are different intents in diff files

Alan Ruttenberg: what happens when doing imports and there are different intents in diff files

17:50:39 <MartinD> sandro: mentioned in email, but no good answer

Sandro Hawke: mentioned in email, but no good answer

17:50:56 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:51:00 <alanr> q+ alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ alanr

17:51:13 <MartinD> sandro: not sure anybody knows how to implement certain combinations = may need to ban certain combinations?

Sandro Hawke: not sure anybody knows how to implement certain combinations = may need to ban certain combinations?

17:51:27 <JeremyCarroll> q+

Jeremy Carroll: q+

17:51:31 <alanr> ack alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr

17:51:47 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll

Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll

17:51:51 <MartinD> alanr: in solving this issue, we need to discuss and know what is the behavior

Alan Ruttenberg: in solving this issue, we need to discuss and know what is the behavior

17:52:19 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: maybe we should have no semantics involved here, just graph (?)

Jeremy Carroll: maybe we should have no semantics involved here, just graph (?)

17:52:26 <Zakim> -MarkusK

Zakim IRC Bot: -MarkusK

17:52:51 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

17:52:53 <MartinD> JeremyCarroll: to understand triples if we want to have just a graph, you can't use RDF semantics, as graph has no semantics

Jeremy Carroll: to understand triples if we want to have just a graph, you can't use RDF semantics, as graph has no semantics

17:52:56 <bijan> Ok, in case of incompatible profiles, then a warning to the user SHOULD be signaled and the user offered a choice of which semantics to use

Bijan Parsia: Ok, in case of incompatible profiles, then a warning to the user SHOULD be signaled and the user offered a choice of which semantics to use

17:53:19 <MartinD> alanr: kind of like intended semantics RDF entailment

Alan Ruttenberg: kind of like intended semantics RDF entailment

17:53:20 <bijan> Rdf Abstract Syntax semantics, simple interpreation, rdf, rdfs...

Bijan Parsia: Rdf Abstract Syntax semantics, simple interpreation, rdf, rdfs...

17:53:22 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

17:53:29 <bijan> er...plus d entailment variants

Bijan Parsia: er...plus d entailment variants

17:53:57 <MartinD> alanr: specific suggestions from bijan, sandro, jeremy? discuss on email and come back with revised proposal

Alan Ruttenberg: specific suggestions from bijan, sandro, jeremy? discuss on email and come back with revised proposal

17:54:08 <sandro> Alan: Bijan, Jeremy, Sandro, Boris --- you four discuss over e-mail and bring back a revised proposal.

Alan Ruttenberg: Bijan, Jeremy, Sandro, Boris --- you four discuss over e-mail and bring back a revised proposal. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:54:17 <bmotik> Please no, I'm swamped

Boris Motik: Please no, I'm swamped

17:54:20 <bijan> I can reply to sandro's email

Bijan Parsia: I can reply to sandro's email

17:54:28 <JeremyCarroll> [I am leaving early, sorry. On EasyKeys it would be good to have some Full semantics]

Jeremy Carroll: [I am leaving early, sorry. On EasyKeys it would be good to have some Full semantics]

17:54:47 <MartinD> alanr: out of time...

Alan Ruttenberg: out of time...

17:54:47 <sandro> Alan: okay - let's let this lie for a few weeks.

Alan Ruttenberg: okay - let's let this lie for a few weeks. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:55:19 <Zakim> -JeremyCarroll

Zakim IRC Bot: -JeremyCarroll

17:55:20 <MartinD> Topic: General discussion

14. General discussion

17:55:28 <MartinD> Topic: Easy keys

15. Easy keys

17:55:32 <uli> zakim, unmute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me

17:55:32 <Zakim> uli was not muted, uli

Zakim IRC Bot: uli was not muted, uli

17:55:34 <ewallace> top property discussion postponed?

Evan Wallace: top property discussion postponed?

17:55:38 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Easy_Keys

Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Easy_Keys

17:55:39 <alanr> yes

Alan Ruttenberg: yes

17:55:46 <alanr> unless we have remaining time today

Alan Ruttenberg: unless we have remaining time today

17:55:57 <bijan> Rdf mapping: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Easy_Keys#RDF_Mapping

Bijan Parsia: Rdf mapping: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Easy_Keys#RDF_Mapping

17:56:02 <MartinD> uli: in the easy keys proposals we described a few things more explicit

Uli Sattler: in the easy keys proposals we described a few things more explicit

17:56:29 <MartinD> uli: semantics more explicit, explained why "easy", why this would cause problems

Uli Sattler: semantics more explicit, explained why "easy", why this would cause problems

17:56:34 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:56:34 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute te

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute te

17:56:35 <Zakim> sorry, bmotik, I do not know which phone connection belongs to te

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bmotik, I do not know which phone connection belongs to te

17:56:40 <bmotik> Zakim , unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim , unmute me

17:56:46 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

17:56:51 <alanr> ack bijan

Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan

17:56:54 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

17:56:54 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan

17:56:56 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

17:56:56 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

17:57:05 <bmotik> Sorry, I had problems unmuting me

Boris Motik: Sorry, I had problems unmuting me

17:57:14 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

17:57:14 <Zakim> uli should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted

17:57:38 <MartinD> bijan: there is one raised, open issue - depends on what we do about key and b-nodes (?)... if variables can't do with easy keys

Bijan Parsia: there is one raised, open issue - depends on what we do about key and b-nodes (?)... if variables can't do with easy keys

17:57:53 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:58:13 <MartinD> alanr: can you collect situations we are trying to accomplish here?

Alan Ruttenberg: can you collect situations we are trying to accomplish here?

17:58:21 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:58:26 <MartinD> bijan: will be included on easy keys page

Bijan Parsia: will be included on easy keys page

17:58:39 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:58:39 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:58:50 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:58:53 <MartinD> bmotik: spoke to uli and got explanations, so no more reservations left

Boris Motik: spoke to uli and got explanations, so no more reservations left

17:59:05 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:59:05 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:59:17 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

17:59:21 <MartinD> alanr: we don't have achille and zhe - implementers and their position on this

Alan Ruttenberg: we don't have achille and zhe - implementers and their position on this

17:59:26 <alanr> ack bijan

Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan

18:00:23 <MartinD> bijan: the intent of easy keys was to make it easy for implementation; unless they start messing with datatypes

Bijan Parsia: the intent of easy keys was to make it easy for implementation; unless they start messing with datatypes

18:00:35 <ewallace> What is meant by mucking around with datatypes?

Evan Wallace: What is meant by mucking around with datatypes?

18:00:37 <MartinD> bijan: should work with anything that follows datalog rules

Bijan Parsia: should work with anything that follows datalog rules

18:01:00 <MartinD> alanr: bijan can you add a note about the case you worry about or explain it

Alan Ruttenberg: bijan can you add a note about the case you worry about or explain it

18:01:41 <MartinD> bijan: when you thing about dl-safe rules and datalog, you may not have some things (e.g. negation) in the right place, maybe boris, uli can tell more

Bijan Parsia: when you thing about dl-safe rules and datalog, you may not have some things (e.g. negation) in the right place, maybe boris, uli can tell more

18:01:46 <uli> zakim, unmute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me

18:01:46 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted

18:02:12 <ewallace> OK Thanks, looking at that now

Evan Wallace: OK Thanks, looking at that now

18:02:15 <MartinD> bijan: if you have finite datatypes you may have more work to do

Bijan Parsia: if you have finite datatypes you may have more work to do

18:02:26 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

18:02:26 <Zakim> uli should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted

18:02:29 <bijan> Jeremy left, didn't he?

Bijan Parsia: Jeremy left, didn't he?

18:02:34 <MartinD> alanr: Jeremy is also among implementers - any issues?

Alan Ruttenberg: Jeremy is also among implementers - any issues?

18:02:41 <alanr> zakime, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakime, who is here?

18:02:47 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here?

18:02:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan, uli (muted), alanr, diegoc (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace, baojie (muted), Elisa_Kendall,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Rinke (muted), MartinD, bmotik (muted), bijan, uli (muted), alanr, diegoc (muted), msmith, Evan_Wallace, baojie (muted), Elisa_Kendall,

18:02:50 <Zakim> ... Sandro, MarkusK

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Sandro, MarkusK

18:02:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see diegoc, Elisa, JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see diegoc, Elisa, JeremyCarroll, baojie, MarkusK, IanH, uli, alanr, bijan, bmotik, msmith, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, MartinD, ewallace, trackbot-ng, sandro

18:02:52 <bijan> JeremyCarroll : [I am leaving early, sorry. On EasyKeys it wo

Bijan Parsia: JeremyCarroll : [I am leaving early, sorry. On EasyKeys it wo

18:02:52 <bijan>         Zakim : -JeremyCarroll

Bijan Parsia: Zakim : -JeremyCarroll

18:02:53 <ewallace> Jeremy left

Evan Wallace: Jeremy left

18:03:23 <MartinD> alanr: affirmative responses from three implementers so that we can report on this

Alan Ruttenberg: affirmative responses from three implementers so that we can report on this

18:03:28 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:03:31 <MartinD> alanr: action needed

Alan Ruttenberg: action needed

18:03:33 <alanr> ack pfps

Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps

18:03:34 <msmith> 3 /other/ implementers.  bmotik and I both implement reasoners

Michael Smith: 3 /other/ implementers. bmotik and I both implement reasoners

18:03:50 <bijan> And me, Ian, and Peter

Bijan Parsia: And me, Ian, and Peter

18:04:22 <bijan> (at least)

Bijan Parsia: (at least)

18:04:24 <MartinD> ... getting response from all implementers on the WG

... getting response from all implementers on the WG

18:04:25 <alanr> action: alan will get responses from Achille,Zhe, Jeremy as implementors - review of Easy Keys proposal

ACTION: alan will get responses from Achille,Zhe, Jeremy as implementors - review of Easy Keys proposal

18:04:25 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-140 - Will get responses from Achille,Zhe, Jeremy as implementors - review of Easy Keys proposal [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-04-30].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-140 - Will get responses from Achille,Zhe, Jeremy as implementors - review of Easy Keys proposal [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-04-30].

18:04:50 <MartinD> alanr: other comments on easy keys or a straw poll?

Alan Ruttenberg: other comments on easy keys or a straw poll?

18:05:00 <MartinD> alanr: should we go ahead and have this feature added?

Alan Ruttenberg: should we go ahead and have this feature added?

18:05:16 <MartinD> alanr: strawpoll - are we ready to add this to spec

Alan Ruttenberg: strawpoll - are we ready to add this to spec

18:05:18 <pfps> +1 to proceed on EasyKeys

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to proceed on EasyKeys

18:05:19 <sandro> NONBINDING-PROPOSED: add easykeys to spec

Scribe problem: the name 'NONBINDING-PROPOSED' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown NONBINDING-PROPOSED: add easykeys to spec [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:05:22 <baojie>  +1

Jie Bao: +1

18:05:22 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

18:05:23 <msmith> +1 to easy keys, they will be added to Pellet

Michael Smith: +1 to easy keys, they will be added to Pellet

18:05:23 <MartinD> +1

+1

18:05:24 <bijan> +1 to adding to spec

Bijan Parsia: +1 to adding to spec

18:05:25 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

18:05:26 <MarkusK> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1

18:05:26 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

18:05:27 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1

18:05:27 <diegoc> +1

Diego Calvanese: +1

18:05:34 <Elisa> +1

Elisa Kendall: +1

18:05:38 <ewallace> +1 to adding EasyKeys with usual qualifications

Evan Wallace: +1 to adding EasyKeys with usual qualifications

18:05:42 <bijan> (and fact++)

Bijan Parsia: (and fact++)

18:06:03 <MartinD> alanr: looks good, good work from bijan and uli to have proposal in such a good shape

Alan Ruttenberg: looks good, good work from bijan and uli to have proposal in such a good shape

18:06:14 <MartinD> alanr: back to issue l ist

Alan Ruttenberg: back to issue l ist

18:06:25 <MartinD> alanr: more discussion on any previous issues

Alan Ruttenberg: more discussion on any previous issues

18:06:46 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 71 Data ranges for literals with Language

16. ISSUE-71 Data ranges for literals with Language

18:06:52 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:07:03 <alanr> ack Bijan

Alan Ruttenberg: ack Bijan

18:07:09 <MartinD> alanr: Jeremy not here, anybody has opinions on this - should we be handling XML literals as well?

Alan Ruttenberg: Jeremy not here, anybody has opinions on this - should we be handling XML literals as well?

18:07:13 <pfps> -1 on XML literals

Peter Patel-Schneider: -1 on XML literals

18:07:34 <pfps> q+ to suggest a facet for this purpose

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ to suggest a facet for this purpose

18:07:41 <alanr> q+ to ask question about XML Literals

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask question about XML Literals

18:07:43 <MartinD> bijan: some variant on extending datatype language is fine, to do it somehow - may be useful

Bijan Parsia: some variant on extending datatype language is fine, to do it somehow - may be useful

18:08:07 <alanr> q- alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: q- alanr

18:08:12 <alanr> Bijan asked my question

Alan Ruttenberg: Bijan asked my question

18:08:28 <alanr> also -1 to XML literals

Alan Ruttenberg: also -1 to XML literals

18:08:36 <MartinD> bijan: XML literals are a bit dodgy - there is some form of inheritance... we should not support this, we don't support many other XML subtyping, because they are a  hard problem

Bijan Parsia: XML literals are a bit dodgy - there is some form of inheritance... we should not support this, we don't support many other XML subtyping, because they are a hard problem

18:08:38 <pfps> .. and not well-formed

Peter Patel-Schneider: .. and not well-formed

18:08:43 <alanr> ack pfps

Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps

18:08:43 <Zakim> pfps, you wanted to suggest a facet for this purpose

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, you wanted to suggest a facet for this purpose

18:08:45 <MartinD> bijan: got for a middle ground

Bijan Parsia: got for a middle ground

18:08:54 <bijan> +1 to a facet

Bijan Parsia: +1 to a facet

18:08:58 <MartinD> pfps: suggests facets for this purpose

Peter Patel-Schneider: suggests facets for this purpose

18:09:17 <bmotik> +1 to adding facets

Boris Motik: +1 to adding facets

18:09:17 <MartinD> pfps: you don't to impose syntax...

Peter Patel-Schneider: you don't to impose syntax...

18:09:19 <bijan> A facet would be an easy add

Bijan Parsia: A facet would be an easy add

18:09:36 <MartinD> alanr: will you write something for spec how this may look

Alan Ruttenberg: will you write something for spec how this may look

18:09:48 <MartinD> pfps: response sent to jeremy, may contain enough info

Peter Patel-Schneider: response sent to jeremy, may contain enough info

18:09:49 <bijan> How about an action to add this to the spec?

Bijan Parsia: How about an action to add this to the spec?

18:10:07 <MartinD> alanr: jeremy was suggesting wildcarding? is that covered?

Alan Ruttenberg: jeremy was suggesting wildcarding? is that covered?

18:10:12 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:10:15 <alanr> en-*

Alan Ruttenberg: en-*

18:10:18 <bijan> ack bijan

Bijan Parsia: ack bijan

18:10:20 <alanr> ack bijan

Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan

18:10:28 <MartinD> alanr: e.g. EN* not necessarily, EN-GB EN-US

Alan Ruttenberg: e.g. EN* not necessarily, EN-GB EN-US

18:11:02 <MartinD> bijan: if we want this from scratch, we can represent this using schema - string + values (facets can go into string part)

Bijan Parsia: if we want this from scratch, we can represent this using schema - string + values (facets can go into string part)

18:11:31 <MartinD> bijan: this is not a fundamentally difficult thing, just needs to be in a neat way

Bijan Parsia: this is not a fundamentally difficult thing, just needs to be in a neat way

18:11:57 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

18:11:58 <MartinD> bijan: we should be able to search, cluster strings and in principle it's about having pattern facets

Bijan Parsia: we should be able to search, cluster strings and in principle it's about having pattern facets

18:12:14 <msmith> pattern facets are in the spec

Michael Smith: pattern facets are in the spec

18:12:17 <MartinD> alanr: what is the status of this right now?

Alan Ruttenberg: what is the status of this right now?

18:12:20 <bijan> xsd:string, xsd:normalizedString, xsd:anyURI,

Scribe problem: the name 'xsd' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown xsd: string, xsd:normalizedString, xsd:anyURI, [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ]

18:12:20 <bijan> xsd:token, xsd:language, xsd:NMTOKEN,

Scribe problem: the name 'xsd' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown xsd: token, xsd:language, xsd:NMTOKEN, [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ]

18:12:20 <bijan> xsd:Name, xsd:NCName,

Scribe problem: the name 'xsd' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown xsd: Name, xsd:NCName, [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ]

18:12:20 <bijan> xsd:hexBinary, xsd:base64Binary

Scribe problem: the name 'xsd' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown xsd: hexBinary, xsd:base64Binary [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ]

18:12:20 <bijan> length, minLength, maxLength, pattern

Bijan Parsia: length, minLength, maxLength, pattern

18:12:30 <bijan> Table 1

Bijan Parsia: Table 1

18:12:56 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Datatype_Restrictions

Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Datatype_Restrictions

18:12:59 <MartinD> alanr: will it be easier to use patterns? bijan, will spec ideas?

Alan Ruttenberg: will it be easier to use patterns? bijan, will spec ideas?

18:12:59 <bijan> am I offering...

Bijan Parsia: am I offering...

18:13:05 <bijan> I guess

Bijan Parsia: I guess

18:13:29 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

18:13:31 <MartinD> alanr: other comments?

Alan Ruttenberg: other comments?

18:13:53 <bijan> ACTION: Work out syntax for langed literals

ACTION: Work out syntax for langed literals

18:13:53 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Work

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Work

18:13:54 <MartinD> Topic: Issue 112 Top property

17. ISSUE-112 Top property

18:14:09 <bijan> ACTION on bijan to work out syntax for langed literals

Bijan Parsia: ACTION on bijan to work out syntax for langed literals

18:14:14 <MarkusK> q+

Markus Krötzsch: q+

18:14:19 <MartinD> alanr: someone who understands "top" property to update us

Alan Ruttenberg: someone who understands "top" property to update us

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18:14:48 <MarkusK> q-

Markus Krötzsch: q-

18:14:52 <MartinD> uli: we were unsure how to call it, but for some reason we needed "bottom" role, there was some discussion on universality

Uli Sattler: we were unsure how to call it, but for some reason we needed "bottom" role, there was some discussion on universality

18:14:59 <MarkusK> +1 to uli's summary

Markus Krötzsch: +1 to uli's summary

18:15:05 <MartinD> uli: reasoners can get away with faking this

Uli Sattler: reasoners can get away with faking this

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18:16:01 <MartinD> alanr: bottom role - when debugging ontologies, one thing that came with unsatisfiable roles was that it could not have any values - could this be equivalent to a bottom role (e.g. maxCard 0)

Alan Ruttenberg: bottom role - when debugging ontologies, one thing that came with unsatisfiable roles was that it could not have any values - could this be equivalent to a bottom role (e.g. maxCard 0)

18:16:19 <MartinD> uli: might be a way to fake implementing bottom properties

Uli Sattler: might be a way to fake implementing bottom properties

18:16:30 <MartinD> uli: maybe this needs syntactic sugar to name this

Uli Sattler: maybe this needs syntactic sugar to name this

18:16:42 <MartinD> alanr: would this add burden to reasoners?

Alan Ruttenberg: would this add burden to reasoners?

18:16:43 <ewallace> yes please have name for both topProperty and bottomProperty if supported

Evan Wallace: yes please have name for both topProperty and bottomProperty if supported

18:16:57 <MartinD> uli: not really, reasoners can handle this

Uli Sattler: not really, reasoners can handle this

18:17:05 <MartinD> alanr: what the name should be

Alan Ruttenberg: what the name should be

18:17:19 <MartinD> alanr: there are few possibilities, anybody?

Alan Ruttenberg: there are few possibilities, anybody?

18:17:30 <MartinD> uli: some in the email posted recently...

Uli Sattler: some in the email posted recently...

18:17:31 <ewallace> The issue lists: "universalProperty", "thingProperty", "relatesTo", "topProperty", "universal"

Evan Wallace: The issue lists: "universalProperty", "thingProperty", "relatesTo", "topProperty", "universal"

18:17:35 <alanr> toAll, toNone

Alan Ruttenberg: toAll, toNone

18:17:47 <uli> zakim, mute me

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18:17:48 <pfps> goodnight to All

Peter Patel-Schneider: goodnight to All

18:18:04 <pfps> goodnight "toAll"

Peter Patel-Schneider: goodnight "toAll"

18:18:11 <uli> zakim, unmute me

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18:18:16 <alanr> relatesTo, doesNotRelateTo

Alan Ruttenberg: relatesTo, doesNotRelateTo

18:18:26 <MartinD> uli: should mirror owl:thing

Uli Sattler: should mirror owl:thing

18:18:33 <MarkusK> +1 to uli "relates to" implies a meaning

Markus Krötzsch: +1 to uli "relates to" implies a meaning

18:18:40 <MartinD> uli: relatesTo implies meaning which it doesn't really have

Uli Sattler: relatesTo implies meaning which it doesn't really have

18:18:41 <bijan> owl:TopProperty and owl:BottomProperty

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Unknown owl: TopProperty and owl:BottomProperty [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ]

18:18:47 <uli> +1 to bijan

Uli Sattler: +1 to bijan

18:18:50 <MarkusK> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1

18:18:56 <uli> zakim, mute me

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18:18:59 <pfps> let's do Dr Seuss (Thing and Thing2)

Peter Patel-Schneider: let's do Dr Seuss (Thing and Thing2)

18:19:07 <bijan> owl:BijanProperty and owl:JermeyProperty

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18:19:27 <MartinD> alanr: the usual way to read properties is like a sentence - A topproperty B... sounds like relation between them

Alan Ruttenberg: the usual way to read properties is like a sentence - A topproperty B... sounds like relation between them

18:19:56 <MartinD> uli: topProperty should related every individual with every other individual

Uli Sattler: topProperty should related every individual with every other individual

18:20:07 <bijan> owl:isRelatedVacuouslyTo

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18:20:13 <MartinD> uli: "relatesTo" may be too ambiguous

Uli Sattler: "relatesTo" may be too ambiguous

18:20:14 <MarkusK> +1 to uli again: "topProperty" implies no *relevant* relation whatsoever

Markus Krötzsch: +1 to uli again: "topProperty" implies no *relevant* relation whatsoever

18:20:17 <pfps> there is the expectation that "relates to" has some domain implication

Peter Patel-Schneider: there is the expectation that "relates to" has some domain implication

18:20:18 <bijan> owl:isNotRelatedAtAllNyahNyeahTo

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18:20:34 <uli> zakim, mute me

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18:20:46 <MartinD> alanr: no problems with this

Alan Ruttenberg: no problems with this

18:20:56 <MartinD> alanr: strawpoll on adding top and bottom roles to OWL 2

Alan Ruttenberg: strawpoll on adding top and bottom roles to OWL 2

18:21:04 <ewallace> +1 to add top and bottom roles to OWL2

Evan Wallace: +1 to add top and bottom roles to OWL2

18:21:04 <sandro> NONBINDING-PROPOSED: add "top" and "bottom" by some name, to OWL 2 ?

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18:21:09 <MarkusK> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1

18:21:11 <Rinke> +1 to add them

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to add them

18:21:14 <bijan> +1

Bijan Parsia: +1

18:21:15 <msmith> +1 to adding top and bottom roles

Michael Smith: +1 to adding top and bottom roles

18:21:17 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

18:21:17 <MartinD> +1

+1

18:21:26 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

18:21:28 <sandro> +0 no clueif it's really useful

Sandro Hawke: +0 no clueif it's really useful

18:21:29 <pfps> +top

Peter Patel-Schneider: +top

18:21:57 <MartinD> alanr: we have good sentiment that this is worth adding, let's discuss the actual names on email

Alan Ruttenberg: we have good sentiment that this is worth adding, let's discuss the actual names on email

18:22:16 <MartinD> alanr: one last thing

Alan Ruttenberg: one last thing

18:22:43 <pfps> separate

Peter Patel-Schneider: separate

18:22:43 <MartinD> alanr: where we are going on whether there should be 1 or 2 OWL semantics documents...

Alan Ruttenberg: where we are going on whether there should be 1 or 2 OWL semantics documents...

18:22:50 <MartinD> alanr: should there be one or separate

Alan Ruttenberg: should there be one or separate

18:23:14 <uli> hurray!

Uli Sattler: hurray!

18:23:15 <MartinD> alanr: adjourned

Alan Ruttenberg: adjourned

18:23:19 <ewallace> 5 minutes early!

Evan Wallace: 5 minutes early!

18:23:20 <uli> bye!

Uli Sattler: bye!

18:23:21 <Elisa> bye

Elisa Kendall: bye

18:23:22 <Zakim> -Sandro

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18:23:22 <MarkusK> bye

Markus Krötzsch: bye

18:23:23 <Zakim> -baojie

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18:23:25 <Rinke> thanks, bye

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18:23:25 <Zakim> -msmith

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18:23:28 <Zakim> -uli

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18:23:28 <diegoc> bye

Diego Calvanese: bye

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18:23:34 <Zakim> -bijan

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18:23:35 <Zakim> -Rinke

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18:23:37 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall

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18:23:43 <Zakim> -MartinD

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18:24:10 <alanr> sandro, you got the notes?

Alan Ruttenberg: sandro, you got the notes?

18:24:17 <alanr> minutes?

Alan Ruttenberg: minutes?

18:24:28 <MartinD> how to generate them

how to generate them

18:24:30 <MartinD> >

>

18:24:32 <MartinD> ?

?

18:24:42 <alanr> sandro usuall handles

Alan Ruttenberg: sandro usuall handles

18:24:50 <alanr> rrsagent, draft minutes

Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, draft minutes

18:24:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/23-owl-minutes.html alanr

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/23-owl-minutes.html alanr

18:24:58 <alanr> rrsagent, make log public

Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, make log public

18:25:17 <sandro> MartinD, hold on 5 minutes?

Sandro Hawke: MartinD, hold on 5 minutes?

18:25:25 <MartinD> ee, sure

ee, sure

18:26:55 <sandro> Chair: Alan
18:27:02 <sandro> Zakim, list attendees

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, list attendees

18:27:02 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Peter_Patel-Schneider, +90827aaaa, bmotik, MartinD, Rinke, bijan, uli, +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc, IanH, msmith, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Peter_Patel-Schneider, +90827aaaa, bmotik, MartinD, Rinke, bijan, uli, +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc, IanH, msmith, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK,

18:27:05 <Zakim> ... JeremyCarroll, alanr, +1.518.276.aacc, baojie, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... JeremyCarroll, alanr, +1.518.276.aacc, baojie, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro

18:27:10 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider

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18:27:11 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended

18:27:12 <Zakim> Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, +90827aaaa, bmotik, MartinD, Rinke, bijan, uli, +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc, IanH, msmith, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK, JeremyCarroll, alanr,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, +90827aaaa, bmotik, MartinD, Rinke, bijan, uli, +1.617.253.aabb, diegoc, IanH, msmith, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK, JeremyCarroll, alanr,

18:27:14 <Zakim> ... +1.518.276.aacc, baojie, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.518.276.aacc, baojie, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro

18:27:41 <sandro> Present: pfps, bmotik, MartinD, Rinke, bijan, uli, diegoc, IanH, msmith, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK, JeremyCarroll, alanr, baojie, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro
18:29:13 <sandro> Okay, MartinD, http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.04.23/Minutes should be a good starting point.

Sandro Hawke: Okay, MartinD, http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.04.23/Minutes should be a good starting point.

18:29:29 <MartinD> sandro, trackbot was not recognizing actions on users

sandro, trackbot was not recognizing actions on users

18:29:36 <sandro> sorry - dismissed DCC chat accidentally.

Sandro Hawke: sorry - dismissed DCC chat accidentally.

18:30:01 <MartinD> sandro, trackbot was not recognizing actions on users

sandro, trackbot was not recognizing actions on users

18:30:02 <sandro> I'm not surprised.    Um, e-mail Alan and ask what he wants done about that...?

Sandro Hawke: I'm not surprised. Um, e-mail Alan and ask what he wants done about that...?

18:30:12 <MartinD> so, there might be some mess in recording actions

so, there might be some mess in recording actions

18:30:17 <sandro> or e-mail team-owl-chairs@w3.org rather

Sandro Hawke: or e-mail team-owl-chairs@w3.org rather

18:30:30 <sandro> or I can.   never mind -- I'll do it.

Sandro Hawke: or I can. never mind -- I'll do it.

18:31:16 <MartinD> ok, thanks... I will look at the minutes later today

ok, thanks... I will look at the minutes later today



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