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Minutes of 09 April 2008

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Alan Ruttenberg, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Christine Golbreich, Diego Calvanese, Doug Lenat, Evan Wallace, Ian Horrocks, Ivan Herman, Jeremy Carroll, Jie Bao, Martin Dzbor, Michael Smith, Michael Schneider, Peter Patel-Schneider, Sandro Hawke, Zhe Wu
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Jeremy Carroll
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  1. accept minutes link
  2. For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro. All of the form "...is suitable for...". (And keep in editor's note from Bijan) link
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16:45:10 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-owl-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-owl-irc

16:45:24 <jeremy_> Zakim, this will be OWL.

Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, this will be OWL.

16:45:24 <Zakim> ok, jeremy_; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 45 minutes ago

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, jeremy_; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 45 minutes ago

16:45:51 <jeremy_> scribenick: jeremy

(Scribe set to Jeremy Carroll)

16:55:29 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started

(No events recorded for 9 minutes)

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started

16:55:36 <Zakim> + +0186527aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +0186527aaaa

16:55:53 <IanH> zakim, aaaa is IanH

Ian Horrocks: zakim, aaaa is IanH

16:55:53 <Zakim> +IanH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH; got it

16:56:55 <Zakim> +??P20

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20

16:57:02 <jeremy_> Zakim, ??P20 is me

Zakim, ??P20 is me

16:57:02 <Zakim> +jeremy_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jeremy_; got it

16:59:37 <jeremy_> scribenick: jeremy_
17:00:15 <Zakim> + +39.047.101.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +39.047.101.aabb

17:00:44 <Zakim> +??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34

17:00:51 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P34 is me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P34 is me

17:00:51 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it

17:01:05 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me

17:01:05 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted

17:01:12 <Zakim> + +1.202.408.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.408.aacc

17:01:28 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aadd

17:01:40 <Zhe> Zakim, +1.603.897.aadd is me

Zhe Wu: Zakim, +1.603.897.aadd is me

17:01:41 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it

17:01:47 <jeremy_> If anyone knows how to change the title of the meeting in IRC please do so; it is out of date.

If anyone knows how to change the title of the meeting in IRC please do so; it is out of date.

17:02:10 <Ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

17:02:10 <Zakim> ok, Ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Ivan; the call is being made

17:02:11 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

17:02:17 <msmith> msmith has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.04.09/Agenda

Michael Smith: msmith has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.04.09/Agenda

17:02:18 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace

17:02:29 <Zakim> + +0190827aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +0190827aaee

17:02:37 <MartinD> zakim, aaee is me

Martin Dzbor: zakim, aaee is me

17:02:37 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MartinD; got it

17:02:40 <jeremy_> thanks mike

thanks mike

17:02:46 <MartinD> zakim, mute me

Martin Dzbor: zakim, mute me

17:02:48 <Zakim> MartinD should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MartinD should now be muted

17:03:14 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

17:03:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, jeremy_, +39.047.101.aabb, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, jeremy_, +39.047.101.aabb, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted)

17:03:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng

17:03:48 <Ivan> zakim, aabb is Diego

Ivan Herman: zakim, aabb is Diego

17:03:48 <Zakim> +Diego; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Diego; got it

17:04:09 <jeremy_> Zakim, mute me

Zakim, mute me

17:04:09 <Zakim> jeremy_ should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy_ should now be muted

17:04:46 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Rees

Zakim IRC Bot: +Jonathan_Rees

17:05:15 <jeremy_> Zakim, unmute me

Zakim, unmute me

17:05:15 <Zakim> jeremy_ should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy_ should no longer be muted

17:05:41 <alanr> zakim, who am i

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who am i

17:05:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who am i', alanr

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who am i', alanr

17:05:44 <alanr> zakim, who am i?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who am i?

17:05:44 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, alanr.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, alanr.

17:05:47 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

17:05:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, jeremy_, Diego, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), Jonathan_Rees

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, jeremy_, Diego, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), Jonathan_Rees

17:05:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see baojie, alanr, m_schnei, ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see baojie, alanr, m_schnei, ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng

17:05:50 <Zakim> + +1.512.342.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.512.342.aaff

17:06:00 <alanr> zakim, Jonathan_Rees is alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, Jonathan_Rees is alanr

17:06:00 <Zakim> +alanr; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +alanr; got it

17:06:06 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here?

17:06:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, jeremy_, Diego, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), alanr, +1.512.342.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, jeremy_, Diego, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), alanr, +1.512.342.aaff

17:06:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see baojie, alanr, m_schnei, ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see baojie, alanr, m_schnei, ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng

17:06:22 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

17:06:50 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aagg

17:07:03 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here?

17:07:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, jeremy_, Diego, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), alanr, +1.512.342.aaff, Sandro, +1.518.276.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, jeremy_, Diego, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), alanr, +1.512.342.aaff, Sandro, +1.518.276.aagg

17:07:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see diegoc, DougL, baojie, alanr, m_schnei, ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see diegoc, DougL, baojie, alanr, m_schnei, ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng

17:07:17 <baojie> 1.518.276.aagg is baojie

Jie Bao: 1.518.276.aagg is baojie

17:07:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

17:07:32 <jeremy_> Zakim, aagg is baojie

Zakim, aagg is baojie

17:07:32 <Zakim> +baojie; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie; got it

17:07:36 <Ivan> zakim, aagg is doug

Ivan Herman: zakim, aagg is doug

17:07:36 <Zakim> sorry, Ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aagg'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aagg'

17:07:44 <jeremy_> Zakim, aaff is doug

Zakim, aaff is doug

17:07:44 <Zakim> +doug; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +doug; got it

17:07:47 <DougL> Zakim, aaff is me

Doug Lenat: Zakim, aaff is me

17:07:47 <Zakim> sorry, DougL, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, DougL, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'

17:07:55 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here?

17:07:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, jeremy_, Diego, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), alanr, doug, Sandro, baojie, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, jeremy_, Diego, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), alanr, doug, Sandro, baojie, [IPcaller]

17:07:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see diegoc, DougL, baojie, alanr, m_schnei, ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see diegoc, DougL, baojie, alanr, m_schnei, ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng

17:08:04 <jeremy_> Zakim, doug is DougL

Zakim, doug is DougL

17:08:04 <Zakim> +DougL; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +DougL; got it

17:08:08 <m_schnei> zakim, IPCaller is me

Michael Schneider: zakim, IPCaller is me

17:08:08 <Zakim> +m_schnei; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei; got it

17:08:17 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me

17:08:17 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted

17:08:33 <jeremy_> Zakim, mute me

Zakim, mute me

17:08:33 <Zakim> jeremy_ should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy_ should now be muted

17:08:42 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

17:08:44 <Zakim> +??P15

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15

17:08:50 <jeremy_> Minutes

Minutes

17:08:50 <IanH> I looked, they seem OK

Ian Horrocks: I looked, they seem OK

17:08:54 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: alanr (69%), Sandro (4%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: alanr (69%), Sandro (4%)

17:08:54 <diegoc> Zakim, mute me

Diego Calvanese: Zakim, mute me

17:08:57 <Zakim> sorry, diegoc, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, diegoc, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

17:08:59 <ewallace> Minutes look OK

Evan Wallace: Minutes look OK

17:08:59 <jeremy_> previous minutes proposed by chair (alan)

previous minutes proposed by chair (alan)

17:09:06 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:09:08 <Ivan> zakim, diego is diegoc

Ivan Herman: zakim, diego is diegoc

17:09:08 <Zakim> +diegoc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +diegoc; got it

17:09:09 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

17:09:19 <DougL> +1

Doug Lenat: +1

17:09:22 <jeremy_> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.03.26/Minutes

http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.03.26/Minutes

17:09:24 <MartinD> +1

Martin Dzbor: +1

17:09:29 <Zhe> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

17:09:32 <jeremy_> RESOLVED: accept minutes

RESOLVED: accept minutes

17:09:36 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:09:53 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

17:09:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH (muted), jeremy_ (muted), diegoc, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), alanr, DougL, Sandro (muted), baojie, m_schnei

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH (muted), jeremy_ (muted), diegoc, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), alanr, DougL, Sandro (muted), baojie, m_schnei

17:09:57 <Zakim> ... (muted), ??P15

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), ??P15

17:09:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see diegoc, DougL, baojie, alanr, m_schnei, ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see diegoc, DougL, baojie, alanr, m_schnei, ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng

17:10:13 <alanr> zakim, ??P15 is ChristineG

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, ??P15 is ChristineG

17:10:13 <Zakim> +ChristineG; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ChristineG; got it

17:10:24 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:10:28 <m_schnei> what about raised issues?

Michael Schneider: what about raised issues?

17:10:31 <jeremy_> Alan: any questions or thoughts about F2F2?

Alan Ruttenberg: any questions or thoughts about F2F2?

17:11:15 <m_schnei> and all the new issues raised

Michael Schneider: and all the new issues raised

17:11:16 <IanH> q+

Ian Horrocks: q+

17:11:22 <jeremy_> Alan: issues raised as a consequence of f2f business will be accepted.

Alan Ruttenberg: issues raised as a consequence of f2f business will be accepted.

17:11:24 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:11:36 <ewallace> Is there anything we need to talk about to fix publications?

Evan Wallace: Is there anything we need to talk about to fix publications?

17:11:42 <alanr> ack IanH

Alan Ruttenberg: ack IanH

17:11:46 <jeremy_> Ian: Sandro, what is the lastest position concerning publication.

Ian Horrocks: Sandro, what is the lastest position concerning publication.

17:12:02 <jeremy_> Sandro: needing go ahead from editors, otherwise OK

Sandro Hawke: needing go ahead from editors, otherwise OK

17:12:11 <jeremy_> Sandro: some editors being a bit silent.

Sandro Hawke: some editors being a bit silent.

17:12:22 <jeremy_> Ian: Boris is on holiday, so will be silent.

Ian Horrocks: Boris is on holiday, so will be silent.

17:12:33 <m_schnei> issues 112, 114, 115, 116 are *not* consequences of the f2f

Michael Schneider: issues 112, 114, 115, 116 are *not* consequences of the f2f

17:12:52 <jeremy_> Ian: Boris did his edits and left, and will not respond

Ian Horrocks: Boris did his edits and left, and will not respond

17:12:58 <Zhe> q+

Zhe Wu: q+

17:13:09 <alanr> ack zhe

Alan Ruttenberg: ack zhe

17:13:43 <m_schnei> how long exactly is boris on vacation?

Michael Schneider: how long exactly is boris on vacation?

17:13:50 <Ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

17:13:59 <bcuencagrau> q+

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: q+

17:14:07 <jeremy_> Zhe: asked question about intro to fragments/profiles

Zhe Wu: asked question about intro to fragments/profiles

17:14:19 <jeremy_> Zhe: the new three bullets ...

Zhe Wu: the new three bullets ...

17:14:49 <jeremy_> q+

q+

17:15:02 <Ivan> ack Ivan

Ivan Herman: ack Ivan

17:15:10 <alanr> ack Ivan

Alan Ruttenberg: ack Ivan

17:15:23 <jeremy_> Chair: if Zhe is unhappy then we should delete this late change and leave editors note

Scribe problem: the name 'if Zhe is unhappy then we should delete this late change and leave editors note' does not match any of the 50 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu

17:15:24 <bcuencagrau> zakim, unmute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim, unmute me

17:15:24 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should no longer be muted

17:15:44 <alanr> ack bcuencagrau

Alan Ruttenberg: ack bcuencagrau

17:16:40 <alanr> ack jeremy_

Alan Ruttenberg: ack jeremy_

17:17:00 <msmith> q+

Michael Smith: q+

17:17:07 <Ivan> +1 to jeremy_

Ivan Herman: +1 to jeremy_

17:17:08 <ewallace> Bernardo: I think there should be a small section in the primer discussing the profiles/fragments

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: I think there should be a small section in the primer discussing the profiles/fragments [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ]

17:17:14 <Zhe> q+

Zhe Wu: q+

17:17:18 <jeremy_> Bernardo: this could be in primer, and perhaps not in this doc

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: this could be in primer, and perhaps not in this doc

17:17:23 <jeremy_> Zakim, mute me

Zakim, mute me

17:17:23 <Zakim> jeremy_ should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy_ should now be muted

17:17:39 <jeremy_> in f2f

in f2f

17:17:42 <bcuencagrau> zakim, unmute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim, unmute me

17:17:42 <Zakim> bcuencagrau was not muted, bcuencagrau

Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau was not muted, bcuencagrau

17:17:51 <bcuencagrau> zakim, mute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim, mute me

17:17:51 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted

17:17:55 <jeremy_> Zakim, unmute me

Zakim, unmute me

17:17:55 <Zakim> jeremy_ should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy_ should no longer be muted

17:18:15 <IanH> Jeremy: I think that it is important to have these sentences even if they are said to be "non-consensus"

Jeremy Carroll: I think that it is important to have these sentences even if they are said to be "non-consensus" [ Scribe Assist by Ian Horrocks ]

17:18:39 <IanH> Jeremy: Poor quality intro better than no content.

Jeremy Carroll: Poor quality intro better than no content. [ Scribe Assist by Ian Horrocks ]

17:18:53 <IanH> Jeremy: could be put into an editors note

Jeremy Carroll: could be put into an editors note [ Scribe Assist by Ian Horrocks ]

17:18:56 <msmith> ?q

Michael Smith: ?q

17:18:57 <jeremy_> Zakim, mute me

Zakim, mute me

17:18:57 <Zakim> jeremy_ should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy_ should now be muted

17:19:00 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

17:19:10 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: alanr (44%), Sandro (4%), Zhe (27%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: alanr (44%), Sandro (4%), Zhe (27%)

17:20:12 <jeremy_> I will step back if Zhe is stubborn on this!

I will step back if Zhe is stubborn on this!

17:20:13 <bcuencagrau> +q

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +q

17:20:47 <jeremy_> q+

q+

17:20:52 <IanH> q+

Ian Horrocks: q+

17:21:02 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider

Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider

17:21:02 <jeremy_> Alan: Zhe can you suggest some repairs to this text?

Alan Ruttenberg: Zhe can you suggest some repairs to this text?

17:21:15 <msmith> q-

Michael Smith: q-

17:21:19 <Zhe> q-

Zhe Wu: q-

17:21:20 <jeremy_> Zhe: but can the WG agree on any text in time.

Zhe Wu: but can the WG agree on any text in time.

17:21:21 <bcuencagrau> zakim, unmute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim, unmute me

17:21:21 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should no longer be muted

17:21:30 <alanr> ack bcuencagrau

Alan Ruttenberg: ack bcuencagrau

17:21:44 <jeremy_> Bernardo: in the profiles doc there is quite a few things that need to be decided (non technical)

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: in the profiles doc there is quite a few things that need to be decided (non technical)

17:22:05 <jeremy_> Bernardo: the motivations relate to the names, we will need to discuss these issues

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: the motivations relate to the names, we will need to discuss these issues

17:22:29 <jeremy_> Bernardo: I think Carsten did a good job with the intro.

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: I think Carsten did a good job with the intro.

17:23:13 <jeremy_> Bernardo: we could drop last sentence of each bullet point "is suitable"

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: we could drop last sentence of each bullet point "is suitable"

17:23:33 <msmith> +1 to Berndardo's suggestion as a path forward

Michael Smith: +1 to Berndardo's suggestion as a path forward

17:23:49 <jeremy_> 0 to Bernardo

0 to Bernardo

17:23:49 <ewallace> +1 on Bernardo's suggestion

Evan Wallace: +1 on Bernardo's suggestion

17:23:55 <alanr> ack jeremy_

Alan Ruttenberg: ack jeremy_

17:23:58 <Ivan> I think something should be present in both documents, actually

Ivan Herman: I think something should be present in both documents, actually

17:24:02 <sandro> PROPOSED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro.   All of the form "...is suitable for...".

PROPOSED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro. All of the form "...is suitable for...".

17:24:20 <alanr> ack IanH

Alan Ruttenberg: ack IanH

17:24:20 <jeremy_> Zakim, mute me

Zakim, mute me

17:24:21 <Zakim> jeremy_ should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy_ should now be muted

17:24:37 <Zhe> q+

Zhe Wu: q+

17:25:11 <alanr> ack Zhe

Alan Ruttenberg: ack Zhe

17:25:16 <jeremy_> Ian: Zhe are you happy with this proposed change.

Ian Horrocks: Zhe are you happy with this proposed change.

17:25:29 <jeremy_> Zhe: yes

Zhe Wu: yes

17:25:32 <Ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

17:25:38 <alanr> ack Ivan

Alan Ruttenberg: ack Ivan

17:25:41 <sandro> Zhe: I like the intro, except for the "is suitable" sentences.

Zhe Wu: I like the intro, except for the "is suitable" sentences. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:25:52 <jeremy_> Ian: so we have consensus

Ian Horrocks: so we have consensus

17:26:01 <bcuencagrau> yes

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: yes

17:26:03 <sandro> PROPOSED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro.   All of the form "...is suitable for...".

PROPOSED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro. All of the form "...is suitable for...".

17:26:08 <jeremy_> Ivan: I think we also agree that the editors note from Bijan should stay

Ivan Herman: I think we also agree that the editors note from Bijan should stay

17:26:11 <msmith> +1

Michael Smith: +1

17:26:12 <jeremy_> 0

0

17:26:12 <ewallace> +1

Evan Wallace: +1

17:26:14 <Zhe> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

17:26:14 <bcuencagrau> +1

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1

17:26:15 <DougL> +1

Doug Lenat: +1

17:26:15 <Ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

17:26:16 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:26:17 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

17:26:17 <m_schnei> 0

Michael Schneider: 0

17:26:21 <MartinD> 0

Martin Dzbor: 0

17:26:21 <sandro> PROPOSED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro.   All of the form "...is suitable for...".  (And keep in editor's note from Bijan)

PROPOSED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro. All of the form "...is suitable for...". (And keep in editor's note from Bijan)

17:26:21 <diegoc> +1

Diego Calvanese: +1

17:26:24 <sandro> +0

Sandro Hawke: +0

17:26:27 <pfps> +0

Peter Patel-Schneider: +0

17:26:32 <baojie> +1

Jie Bao: +1

17:26:45 <sandro> RESOLVED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro.   All of the form "...is suitable for...".  (And keep in editor's note from Bijan)

RESOLVED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro. All of the form "...is suitable for...". (And keep in editor's note from Bijan)

17:26:48 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:27:00 <jeremy_> Sandro will implement this as part of publication

Sandro will implement this as part of publication

17:27:01 <Ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

17:27:20 <alanr> ack Ivan

Alan Ruttenberg: ack Ivan

17:27:32 <jeremy_> Ivan: question to Zhe, I found some small bugs in the rules

Ivan Herman: question to Zhe, I found some small bugs in the rules

17:27:40 <jeremy_> Zhe: I have fixed these

Zhe Wu: I have fixed these

17:27:41 <alanr> where can I find sotd

Alan Ruttenberg: where can I find sotd

17:27:43 <IanH> q+

Ian Horrocks: q+

17:27:46 <alanr> ack IanH

Alan Ruttenberg: ack IanH

17:27:47 <jeremy_> Zhe: (the typed triple)

Zhe Wu: (the typed triple)

17:28:01 <ewallace> Have to go.  Thanks again to chairs for a productive WG F2F in DC.  Bye.

Evan Wallace: Have to go. Thanks again to chairs for a productive WG F2F in DC. Bye.

17:28:09 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace

17:28:10 <jeremy_> Ian: The XML Serialization and Primer have bolier plate abstract

Ian Horrocks: The XML Serialization and Primer have bolier plate abstract

17:28:24 <msmith> I believe zhe removed in response to Carsten?

Michael Smith: I believe zhe removed in response to Carsten?

17:28:33 <jeremy_> Ian: The profiles doc has no boiler plate, but has editor's note

Ian Horrocks: The profiles doc has no boiler plate, but has editor's note

17:28:49 <Zhe> I think Carsten asked for it

Zhe Wu: I think Carsten asked for it

17:28:50 <jeremy_> Sandro: they all were the same, but someone complained

Sandro Hawke: they all were the same, but someone complained

17:28:53 <pfps> one can see who by looking at the history

Peter Patel-Schneider: one can see who by looking at the history

17:28:55 <Zhe> Then Jie did the action

Zhe Wu: Then Jie did the action

17:28:59 <jeremy_> Alan: let's take this off line

Alan Ruttenberg: let's take this off line

17:29:01 <m_schnei> same bug in xml: its not in the sources

Michael Schneider: same bug in xml: its not in the sources

17:29:08 <Zhe> q+

Zhe Wu: q+

17:29:13 <jeremy_> Ian: not a huge issue, but a surprise

Ian Horrocks: not a huge issue, but a surprise

17:29:23 <alanr> ack Zhe

Alan Ruttenberg: ack Zhe

17:29:27 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:29:35 <jeremy_> Zhe: regarding abstract. Carsten added abstract.

Zhe Wu: regarding abstract. Carsten added abstract.

17:29:45 <m_schnei> zhe knows how to fix it - so fix it :)

Michael Schneider: zhe knows how to fix it - so fix it :)

17:29:49 <jeremy_> Zhe: & he thought boiler plate no longer needed

Zhe Wu: & he thought boiler plate no longer needed

17:30:05 <jeremy_> Zhe: and I think Jie did it

Zhe Wu: and I think Jie did it

17:30:23 <jeremy_> Ian: but it was agreed at some point that the boiler plate should be in all docs

Ian Horrocks: but it was agreed at some point that the boiler plate should be in all docs

17:30:31 <msmith> email confirming that description http://www.w3.org/mid/b6b357670804081149q7f677748l69bcbc3592287a67@mail.gmail.com

Michael Smith: email confirming that description http://www.w3.org/mid/b6b357670804081149q7f677748l69bcbc3592287a67@mail.gmail.com

17:30:42 <jeremy_> Ian: in case a reader came to this doc first ....

Ian Horrocks: in case a reader came to this doc first ....

17:30:50 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:30:52 <jeremy_> Alan: Sandro, can you fix this?

Alan Ruttenberg: Sandro, can you fix this?

17:30:59 <Zhe> m_schnei, I don't know how to do it

Zhe Wu: m_schnei, I don't know how to do it

17:31:01 <Zhe> sorry

Zhe Wu: sorry

17:31:01 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:31:06 <jeremy_> Ian: I will sort it now.

Ian Horrocks: I will sort it now.

17:31:22 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:31:50 <jeremy_> Alan: are we frozen now, modulo changes discussed now.

Alan Ruttenberg: are we frozen now, modulo changes discussed now.

17:31:57 <jeremy_> Sandro: three sentences have gone

Sandro Hawke: three sentences have gone

17:31:57 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:32:03 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:32:03 <jeremy_> Ian: abstract is changing now

Ian Horrocks: abstract is changing now

17:32:24 <IanH> Abstract now restored to its former glory :-)

Ian Horrocks: Abstract now restored to its former glory :-)

17:32:26 <jeremy_> Alan: Sandro, do you need anything?

Alan Ruttenberg: Sandro, do you need anything?

17:32:35 <jeremy_> Sandro: no ....

Sandro Hawke: no ....

17:32:50 <jeremy_> Sandro: do we want a comment date?

Sandro Hawke: do we want a comment date?

17:33:30 <jeremy_> Sandro: let's go for four weeks

Sandro Hawke: let's go for four weeks

17:33:37 <jeremy_> Ivan: which mailing list for comments

Ivan Herman: which mailing list for comments

17:33:43 <jeremy_> Sandro: public-owl-comments

Sandro Hawke: public-owl-comments

17:33:57 <jeremy_> Alan: UFDTF for Monday

Alan Ruttenberg: UFDTF for Monday

17:34:06 <jeremy_> Alan: subject will be requirements doc

Alan Ruttenberg: subject will be requirements doc

17:34:11 <jeremy_> Alan: Evan will work on this

Alan Ruttenberg: Evan will work on this

17:34:26 <jeremy_> Alan: please send disiderata to requirements doc to list

Alan Ruttenberg: please send disiderata to requirements doc to list

17:34:44 <jeremy_> Alan: we want to narrowly address what justifies current spec

Alan Ruttenberg: we want to narrowly address what justifies current spec

17:34:52 <jeremy_> Alan: largely a historical process

Alan Ruttenberg: largely a historical process

17:35:16 <jeremy_> Alan: last call before adjournment

Alan Ruttenberg: last call before adjournment

17:35:44 <jeremy_> Alan: thanks to everyone

Alan Ruttenberg: thanks to everyone

17:36:05 <IanH> Yes, thanks from me too!

Ian Horrocks: Yes, thanks from me too!

17:36:11 <Zhe> bye

Zhe Wu: bye

17:36:12 <jeremy_> Alan: adjourn

Alan Ruttenberg: adjourn

17:36:13 <Zakim> -DougL

Zakim IRC Bot: -DougL

17:36:15 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

17:36:16 <Zakim> -MartinD

Zakim IRC Bot: -MartinD

17:36:20 <m_schnei> bye

Michael Schneider: bye

17:36:20 <diegoc> bye

Diego Calvanese: bye

17:36:20 <Zakim> -msmith

Zakim IRC Bot: -msmith

17:36:21 <Zakim> -alanr

Zakim IRC Bot: -alanr

17:36:23 <Zakim> -Zhe

Zakim IRC Bot: -Zhe

17:36:24 <Zakim> -IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH

17:36:26 <Zakim> -ChristineG

Zakim IRC Bot: -ChristineG

17:36:27 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau

Zakim IRC Bot: -bcuencagrau

17:36:27 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider

Zakim IRC Bot: -Peter_Patel-Schneider

17:36:29 <Zakim> -jeremy_

Zakim IRC Bot: -jeremy_

17:36:32 <Zakim> -m_schnei

Zakim IRC Bot: -m_schnei

17:36:34 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

17:36:36 <Zakim> -diegoc

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17:36:50 <Zakim> -baojie

Zakim IRC Bot: -baojie

17:36:52 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended

17:36:53 <Zakim> Attendees were +0186527aaaa, IanH, jeremy_, +39.047.101.aabb, bcuencagrau, +1.202.408.aacc, msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, +0190827aaee, MartinD, +1.512.342.aaff, alanr, Sandro,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +0186527aaaa, IanH, jeremy_, +39.047.101.aabb, bcuencagrau, +1.202.408.aacc, msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, +0190827aaee, MartinD, +1.512.342.aaff, alanr, Sandro,

17:36:56 <Zakim> ... +1.518.276.aagg, baojie, DougL, m_schnei, diegoc, ChristineG, Peter_Patel-Schneider

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.518.276.aagg, baojie, DougL, m_schnei, diegoc, ChristineG, Peter_Patel-Schneider

17:37:14 <jeremy_> RRSAgent, pointer

RRSAgent, pointer

17:37:14 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-owl-irc#T17-37-14

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-owl-irc#T17-37-14

17:37:22 <jeremy_> RRSAgent, make logs public

RRSAgent, make logs public

17:38:15 <jeremy_> rrsagent, please format the minutes

rrsagent, please format the minutes

17:38:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-owl-minutes.html jeremy_

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-owl-minutes.html jeremy_



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